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mymiraclebox · 1 month
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Why is the Prodigious canonically more powerful than the Miraculouses? Like Nooroo full on says: "It is for good reason that the Prodigious was abandoned in favor of the Miraculous! It was secured in that cave because it is too powerful, too dangerous!" and I just... don't see it?
Like don't get me wrong, being able to transform into animals is an awesome power, but how is it more powerful and more dangerous than the Miraculouses? The Peacock alone can create animals to fight and many other beings, we've seen the Butterfly give the power of shapeshifting to one not even using a Miraculous, and the elemental powers one gets in dragon form is the same as the Dragon Miraculous. And all of this is not considering the many other powers the canon Miraculouses can do, and who knows what the other Miraculouses not seen in the show can do as well!
Then to actually use the Prodigious you have to possess the value each Renling has to even transform! With the Miraculouses anyone with any intent or any values can transform and use the powers by just knowing the right words, words they can order the kwami to tell them with no resistance! Kwamis are forced to the whims of their holders with just a few words, while the Prodigious gets a whole powerful guardian to protect it and deem who is worthy to wield it? Why don't the Miraculouses get that level of protection?
Then finally with the Miraculouses we have the Wish with Tikki and Plagg's Miraculouses. You're telling me the ability to completely destroy the universe and recreate it at one's own whims is less powerful than shapeshifting? That the shapeshifting powers are the ones that needed to be sealed away in the cave but literal universe-ending powers didn't?
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crizztelcb · 2 years
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I learned the prodigious are stronger than the miraculous and I can't disagree more about it!
Don't take this as Shanghai salt because it isn't! I love the Shanghai special and the renrens/prodigious etc!
Is just me ranting over something thats is basically useless for ml story telling XD
The renrens/prodigious are the same as kwamis/miraculous but somehow they get called stronger? Stronger then even destruction and creation?
First of all are renrens more powerful than kwamis? I still don't comprehend they existence, by the way they don't seem any different than any other kwami and they work basically the same unless the said dragon power is more powerful and ehhhh that's not a good excuse, they literally have creation and destruction and they are the base for all powers in the world! Is it because the prodigious gives you more powers? Which ok but all the others are not given any shown on being really more powerful than any normal miraculous, literally the only powerful is the dragon and yet the only difference between the dragon miraculous and the prodigious is the shape-shifting and that for what we know the powers are not so limited but you still need to work through to be able to use that power.
And then theres the creation of the miraculous how makes no sense at all, is that blue lion (I'm awful with names sorry) a renren too? If yes than he looks and acts much more powerful than the protected renrens themselves, I'm not dismissing the renrens i like them i think their designs are the cutest especially the snake and the prayingmantris and I do LOVE shape-shifting (although I would also love half transformed visuals but ok) but they being put in a high rank and nothing is shown to prove it makes me very annoyed especially that in my head there's nothing stronger than creation and destruction they are as I said before the core of everything!
I made a full rant on this sorry! 😅 but if something is suppose to be powerful show me it better, chat noir using his power just on a piece of metal was enough for me to go "oh shit he can kill something with his hands if he wants to!" But the renrens are normal by the way they show them and I would be fine if it was more of a "they are a different creature how looks alike to kwamis but works a bit different like the kwamis they are also powerful so guardians keep it safe" like there's no need to say they are super powerful and put a guardian taking care of them to show something because it was the same with the miraculous! There's no difference, that's it, no difference is made between them to give me powerful feelings over them.
They are cool, they are interesting and they are charming! they just don't have a good difference from what we already got but they get credit for something that was never shown true.
I do wish that if lady dragon does get an spinoff they show more and they give me more background information, I love their idea but I can't take them as more powerful than kwamis.
Also idk why I care about the comics I literally just should scrap the comic out. Also pls don't Sal on this, but you are free to refute anything I said and I would in fact appreciate it.
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imthepunchlord · 4 months
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The prodigious still exists in the AU?
No.
They didn't really add anything lore wise, and what they did add was confusing. They're stated to be far more dangerous than Miraculous, but all they do is animal shapeshifting. Exclusively 8 animal shapeshifting. Mean while Miraculous has a time traveling Rabbit. A Butterfly that can grant ANY power. A Peafowl that can make life that you can fully control physically, emotionally, mentally, and terminate on a whim. But Prodigious are the ones dangerous enough to be sealed away... suuuuuure.
Either way, the changed Monkey now has the power of shapeshifting, which can become any animal AND adjust their size to big or small. So Prodigious are pointless with this Miraculous and it's changed powers. They're much weaker by comparison.
Them having 5/8 animals that are repeated and exist as Miraculous doesn't help them stand out. I also took the few that are new and just made them Miraculous as I took the concept of Bagua and made it official.
And honestly, you can cut them from the Miraculous story and you literally miss nothing. At least from what I've seen as I stopped watching ML about s3 and just listened to those that did continue watching. I have yet to hear anything about Fei and the Prodigious talked about.
To me, a lot of the Shanghai Special was pointless so I'd vote it doesn't exist or it's drastically changed, like instead this is where the Zodiac were revealed and how they came to join Fu's Miracle Box and came to be in the show, potentially testing Marinette's potential as a Guardian and accepting it.
I also would've gone with the Shanghai being Marinette exclusive in focus, no Agreste in sight, and it progresses her upcoming role as Guardian and expands upon it. Though as a trade off, the New York Special should've been Adrien focused, no Marinette in sight, and it could've been HM and Chat Noir had to reluctantly team up against a new threat, and there are undertones there that imply, hey, this family COULD still work. And just have the NY Special progress the Agreste plot in some way. This also could've been the intro to Audrey and Zoe, and set up the future Bourgeois plot (that ultimately wasted all of our time).
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exammole · 7 months
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My changes to Miraculous (plus my thought process)
Part 1: Magic System
For context, although I am a fan of Miraculous and know what happens in it. I’ve never watched the series past season 3 Miracle Queen. But I still want to rewrite this show, it had a lot of potential that was wasted.
Kwami are cool, and although they’re massively important to the story I feel they’re also massively wasted. I also have issues with a lot of the powers as some blatantly copy off of and overshadow the main 7, and some are also stronger than the main 7 too (looking at Fluff and Longg). And I find the threat of Kwami using their power without a holder under-utilised.
The easy and probably better answer is to scrap the Zodiac Kwami entirely. But as I like some of them I’ve elected to making the zodiac more situational and the 7 more stronger.
The way it works in my version is that since the 7 main Kwami have had centuries longer to adjust to their forms; they have the ability to be flexible in what their powers can do, given if their holder trains enough. The 12 Zodiac Kwami who are just now being given physical forms, have far weaker powers. That being said, the general rules Kwami follow in the show (cannot be seen with technology, phasing through walls ect.) all still apply.
If I add the handicap that Kwami’s can’t use their powers without their holders because it’ll cause a catastrophe, it’s not going to be treated as a joke because Kwami are literal gods now.
Also all Kwami have passive abilities, which are powers that can be used without triggering the time limit. I feel most of them are understandable except for Know, Know is basically a 6th sense type of power that lets to sense emotions and vibes.
Tikki: Kwami of Creation
With minimal training, her holder can create objects (although what object is made is random).
With sufficient training, her holders can control what object they create.
With experienced training, her holders can create living things. More energy is used to create more complex life.
Tikki also has the passive ability of Fly
Plagg: Kwami of Destruction
With minimal training, his holder can destroy objects (although the level of destruction cannot be controlled)
With sufficient training, his holder can control the level of destruction.
With experienced training, his holder can increase their own strength by destroying other objects.*
Plagg also has the passive ability of Climb
Nooroo: Kwami of Transmission
With minimal training, his holder can spectate from one place to another
With sufficient training, his holder can communicate from one place to another
With experienced training, his holder can send things from one place to another
Nooroo also has the passive ability of Flight
Wayzz: Kwami of Protection
With minimal training, his holder can create shields*
With sufficient training, his holder can create multiple shields at once*
With experienced training, his holder can change the shape of theur shield*
Wayzz also has the passive ability of Shield
Trixx: Kwami of Perception
With minimal training, his holder can create small and simple illusions.
With sufficient training, his holder can create larger scale, complex illusions.
With experienced training, his holder can alter various other sences (hearing, smelling, etc.)
Trixx also has the passive ability of Dodge
Pollen: Kwami of Action
With minimal training, her holder can stop a target from doing something.
With sufficient training, her holder can freeze a target in place
With experienced training, her holder can force a target to do something.
Pollen also has the passive ability of Flight
Duusu: Kwami of Emotion
With minimal training, her holder can enchant an object with powers.
With sufficient training, her holder can change anothers form from the enchanted object.
With experienced training, her holder can create a living being with an enchanted object.
Duusu also has the passive ability of Know
Note, since Creation and Destruction are the strongest, it takes longer for the holders to use their powers effectively. I think that’s a reasonable natural handicap, and it makes it more interesting to see how Ladybug and Cat Noir manoeuvre around a battle.
With the zodiac as I mentioned before; I scaled down their powers to make them more situational, and they don’t have as much creative leeway in what their powers can do. As well as they don’t appear until much later into the rewrite.
Mullo: Kwami of Division
Allows the holder to divide into smaller copies of themselves.
Mullo also has the passive ability of Dodge
Stompp: Kwami of Unionisation
Allows the holder to absorb people into themself, becoming a giant collective.
Stompp also has the passive ability of Shield
Roaar: Kwami of Acceleration
Allows the holder to increase their speed to lightning fast levels.
Roaar also has the passive ability of Run
Fluff: Kwami of Abduction
Allows the holder to store items in a pocket dimension indefinitely.
Fluff also has the passive ability of Jump
Longg: Kwami of Composition*
Allows the holder to change their body composition.
Longg also has the passive ability of Flight
Sass: Kwami of Intuition
Allows the holder to see into the future.
Sass also has the passive ability of Dodge
Kaalki: Kwami of Migration
Allows the holder to create gateways (different to portals)
Kaalki also has the passive ability of Run
Ziggy: Kwami of Gravitation*
Allows the holder to change somethings gravity
Ziggy also has the passive ability of Climb
Xuppu: Kwami of Derision
Allows the holder to interrupt another’s power.
Xuppu also has the passive ability of Climb
Orikko: Kwami of Rejuvenation
Allows the holder to heal a targets wounds/damage
Orikko also has the passive ability of Know
Barkk: Kwami of Position
Allows the holder to track a target.
Bark also has the passive ability of Run
Daizee: Kwami of Jubilation
Allows the holder to amplify another’s power greatly.
Daizee also has the passive ability of Know
These are the only Kwami in my rewrite, since Master Fu accidentally destroyed the rest like he did in the show. Other power sources would technically exist, but not to the scale of the United Heroez; only things like the Grimoire, Guardians, mage powers (referencing the comic), and the Prodigious apply.
I find the origins of the Kwami so interesting, and I’m so confused why the only mention of it is tucked away in some comic which may or may not even be canon?? So I want to have mages be somewhat important to the story. As for the Prodigious and the Renlings; I never watched any of the specials so I don’t have an opinion on them, I guess I find them interesting? Might as well add it in.
Grimoires:
Grimoires are books containing information about the Kwami, the Miraculous, and various spells. Only Guarduans and Mages can read Grimoires without having to translate the book, as they are Miraculous text.
Guardians:
Guardians are the scholars and protectors of the Miraculous. This title is earned through a ritual that grants a person the power to read Miraculous texts, and an extended life span. If willingly or forcibly renounced, they will lose all memories relating to the Miraculous, the Kwami, the Mages and the Guardians.
Mages:
Mages are the descendants of the man who created the first ever Miraculous. They have the power to read Miraculous texts, the unique power of creating miraculous, and having the power to perform spells naturally.
The Prodigious & The Renlings:
The Prodigious is an artefact made by early Mages and Guardians to see if they could create Kwami of their own, creating the Renlings as a result. However they were deemed too unsafe and hidden away forever. Renlings still have the same powers as they do in the special, able to turn into an animal that corresponds to a human value that the holder is possessing. (I’m looking at the wiki, I could be wrong).
Long Long transforms the holder into a dragon when the holder is exhibits Justice.
Ying Ying transforms the holder into an eagle when the holder exhibits Confidence.
She She transforms the holder into a snake when the holder exhibits Courage.
Tang Tang transforms the holder into a mantis when the holder exhibits Patience.
Xiong Xiong transforms the holder into a bear when the holder exhibits Calmness.
Hou Hou transforms the holder into a monkey when the holder exhibits Compassion.
Ma Ma transforms the holder into a horse when the holder exhibits Honour.
Hu Hu transforms the holder into a tiger when the holder exhibits Discipline.
In my next Miraculous rewrite post, I’ll be talking about the plot.
EDIT: I’ve ended up changing a few things, bcuz I’m lowkey making this rewrite up as I go along. I’ll mention them when necessary, but I’ll be adding a * to anything I’ve edited. Sorry for any possible confusion 😓😓
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gale-gentlepenguin · 10 months
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Dragon!Gabriel would be a pain, if he was even able to access it in the first place. Didnt Fei have to learn that revenge and self-serving actions would keep her from accessing the dragon transformation?
Ah but you see, Gabriel isnt using the Prodigious out of hatred in his mind. At least not initially, He doesnt have that mental handicap. Maybe AFTER his repeated loses does that hatred pop into play.
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muchalucha-art · 3 months
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*EDITED with the correct room number so it makes SENSE!
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SO -o-o...maybe, just maybe, there was a Room 408 Room 208 at the World's Foremost International School Of Masked Wrestling containing some up and coming luchadores of a different kind with a different skill set?
(Obviously not connected to ML! in any every way shape or form nope. Would I even imply that? Me?) YES!
Also thinking of adding THIS GUY...
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Cue, The Prodigy: 'He's a fire starter, twisted fire starter...'
Some unrefined designs...please don't look too closely at the linework just yet! There's an idea and story developing here...maybe it will go somewhere. All I know is that I am having more guilty fun than I should be working on these misfits!
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hwaightme · 1 year
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Your fan, Jongho (part 1)
(part 2) (your fan ml)
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⚽pairing: jongho x footballer!gn!reader ⚽summary: a bulletpoint-style drabble of what it would be like to have jongho stanning you. part two here ⚽wordcount: 1.4k ⚽warnings/tags: unedited, jongho falling fast, you are a football prodigy, hongjoong lowkey is a wingman, jongho hiding feelings, sports, football, cute romance, overall wholesome vibes (lmk if anything isn't here) ⚽a/n: thank you so much for all the support and kindness <3 here is a bit of a brainwave I had, which may or may not turn into a series for all members (think "Your fan, _____)~
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An avid football fan, he was proud to know the names of any new players who were making the rounds as rising stars
While casually viewing highlights of the team that won the national championship not long ago, he took note of you.
Bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, you were a fresh face on the field for him.
Recently you took the sports world by storm, having qualified for major championships an really moving up in the ranks to become a renowned forward.
Jongho, along with many of your team's fans, could not help but be captivated by you.
For him, it was your perseverance that did it. And the way the uniform looked on you but that is BESIDES THE POINT
He would never say that. Only hard work, professionalism and... oh no did he have a celebrity crush?
Was this how ATINY felt????
He was in a blur while he went down the YouTube spiral, starting by watching one of your most recent post-match interviews, and never quite finishing his deep dive because there were always more videos to watch.
Probably nobody would ever know that he was indifferent to you; as in, he was more than watching you and your team play.
He was cheering YOU on, knowing the training you did and the tough challenges you overcame. Cheering YOU on because he knew unlike any other what it was like to have the world scrutinizing you.
Cheering YOU on because that was what his heart felt inclined to do. Jongho had a separate football account, and even though he did not really interact with other fans, it gave him exactly what he wanted - the ability to live out his fanboy dreams, be it football overall or to learn more about you.
Actually went to see the matches you have been announced to play in, if time allowed.
Though either way he knew he would enjoy it because, well, he likes the sport, if you weren't playing since first half-time he hated to admit but he'd pay a little less attention.
This man had learned your club's songs and fanchants, hands down. Easy as pie.
Okay so he was still a tiny bit in denial about having a full-blown crush on you because "why would he experience any sort of affection towards someone he has never met"
Almost got caught by the other members when he was smiling proudly at his phone screen, rewatching an advertisement you recently starred in, kind of in the fashion: "look at my bias go, they are so amazing I cannot believe that I have the opportunity to watch!!!!!"
But he was prepared - so he quickly switched to some ATINY edit from one of their shows as soon as he saw someone attempting to creep up behind him; deception 100
Then came the fateful day, one during which his heart actually flip-flopped, did a spin and soared like his high notes.
A video interview with you for a magazine had been released, and for some reason or other ATEEZ kept on being bombarded with it on twitter. It got to the point where even the totally ‘football indifferent’ members were curious.
The next few minutes were excruciating for Jongho – squeezed between San and Yeosang, the group gathered around to check what the fuss was about, or whether it was just ATINY going a tad... enthusiastic after the comeback, for fun.
The adrenaline rush that accompanied trying not to reveal his excitement was eating Jongho from the inside. You were literally going into depth about your childhood dreams and motivations, how you trained and what you were hoping for in the future.
So far so… normal? Only Jongho was hyped (even though he had a poker face on)
BUT THEN
The interview moved in a musical direction. The magazine enjoyed presenting what celebrities listen to in their free time or when going about their day, so they always asked what the top tracks of their interviewees were.
And you being the legend you are, after thinking about “what song has been playing on repeat recently when you are in the gym?”, said “Well, Guerrilla by ATEEZ is fantastic. I have been listening to that quite a bit.”
It was at this moment all members lost their minds
Woop-wooping, screaming and hollering, they were punching each other’s shoulders
You, an internationally sought-after player, rising star in football, completely unrelated their world just so happened to listen to their music?
Jongho was on cloud nine
But seeing as you were continuing to talk, aggressively shushed at the rest of his members
“The power and passion in their music in general is unreal. Like take this song. That high note, on ‘flashing light’, going into the chorus… makes me run double-speed.”
“Have you been to their concerts?”
“Not yet, unfortunately, but hopefully stars will align.” And that was that. Jongho was offered congratulatory pats on the back for having his part be mentioned. No wonder ATINY were spamming their social media accounts.
Jongho waited until everyone is back to chaotic neutral to slink away into his dorm room and rewatch the video again. And again. A gummy smile not leaving his face.
That was when he got a thousand lightbulbs flashing above his head – rushing, he asked his manager if it was okay for ATEEZ to follow you on social media, talking some nonsense about ‘possibly adding more popularity and going with the trend’… the details did not matter, he got what he wanted and was really giddy about it.
Soon enough, your official account was also following them back. (the crowd goes wild)
If only he could see you, in the backseat of a car with your agent, squealing in excitement when you saw THE notification pop up. You shook the living daylights out of them, continuously pointing at your screen and repeating “OHMYGOSHOHMYGOSHOHMYGOSH DO YOU SEE WHO IS FOLLOWING ME ATEEZ IS FOLLOWING ME OHMYGOSHICANNOTHOWISTHISREAL”
Unbeknownst to you, your agent was already liaising with the right people at KQ to potentially arrange an informal meeting – yes, you were lucky you had them working with you. You down-played just how much you listened to ATEEZ while preparing for matches but could not help mentioning your respect for the idols.
It worked out well because suddenly ticket sales for your next match went up? And generally, publicity was looking good? Agents were not mad at all.
Fast-forward a couple of weeks, and after a brilliant match with you scoring the winning goal on the 91st minute, you had the chance to meet your number one fan.
Jongho had no idea how he was fortunate enough to have this arranged for him – apparently he was almost not allowed to go, with some staff stating that Hongjoong should be the one to do the networking, but Hongjoong, being the captain, and having caught on that Jongho was a lot more ‘involved’ with your activities than anybody else, demanded the maknae to represent ATEEZ.
The man was over the moon when greeting you in person for the first time. Though you did not have much time to talk, nor could you dive into anything that would reveal your mutual pining seeing as you had whole armies of staff floating around you, photographers and videographers around every corners… both of you had a great time.
You felt as though he understood you without any extensive explanations needed. Not only was he knowledgeable about the sport, but he was just… so attentive and gentlemanly.
As more people were leaving the stadium and the changing rooms, finally you had a moment of quiet to yourselves. And in that exact moment, Jongho sharply inhaled and produced, seemingly OUT OF NOWHERE, the most recent ATEEZ album.
He was not sure whether to gift you the album or a Lightiny, but chose the former to be less ‘imposing’ and risking to force fandomship upon you or something. Pretty much went full rumination-station, which was quite unlike him.
Either way you would have been incredibly grateful and would have displayed the present on one of your shelves. The fact that someone you admired and who you felt admired you was thoughtful enough to bring anything made you soft.
Grinning wide, you wished each other success for the future and hoped to meet again soon.
Which was MUCH sooner than you would have imagined. Since once you got home and opened the album, a neatly folded piece of paper fell out with a cute note from Jongho and his personal number.
Now that is a clean goal.
a/n: thank you for reading! Here is part 2
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I'm thinking the Season 4 (and maybe 5) villains in my ML Remake would be a society of evil rich people from around the world (no eugenics this time around) trying to get all of the Miraculouses to have ultimate power. One of them would have gotten to Nathalie while Hawk Moth was being arrested and they have the Peacock, which they get fixed with the aid of the Grimoire translations on Master Fu's tablet.
They would be the behind-the-scenes villains of the specials, with one calling himself "The Executive" enlisting Techno-Pirate to steal the Eagle Miraculous and letting him use it against the United HeroeZ, and another hiring Cash to steal the key to the Prodigious and kill its Guardian.
I'm also thinking of having Zoé's dad be one of them (specifically the Executive) and have her show up in Paris as part of his schemes.
ohohoho! That works!
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awakefor48hours · 1 month
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What about Azulanette for the ship classification....
Ask Game
ANON I AM KISSING YOU ON THE MOUTH (or whatever form of intimacy you're comfortable with).
I know I'm definitely biased when I say I'd put Azulanette under makes sense and compels me but here's an excuse to talk about it.
First of all Marinette. When it comes to Marinette's love life she has gotten the most characters to fall for her (Adrien, Luka, Nino, Zoe, and Kagami yes, I'm counting her, I refuse to believe Kagami never had a crush on Marinette). But out of all these characters, Adrien has always been "the one" for her and Azula and Adrien do have similar upbringings.
First of all, Adrien's life has been compared to royalty (even though it's usually in a fairy tale setting) and Azula is part of a royal blood line.
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Growing up, Adrien had a sheltered life and got a very thorough education (so thorough that his lowest grade ever was an A-) and part of what made Ozai love Azula more is that she was a prodigy.
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*Gif taken from this video
As Adrien/as a civilian he has to be an unbreakable image that was meticulously crafted by his dad, like Azula. Everything about Azula has to be "perfect" in every way possible, no just her firebending has to be perfect but her appearance.
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As Cat Noir/as a hero, he has the power of destruction and the way that Azula uses her firebending techniques are for destruction/destructive purposes.
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You also have the fact that the both of them have poor social skills.
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It's easier to remember for Adrien because he's usually talking to other characters (or saying the dreaded "she's just a friend") but Azula is also pretty weird/socially inept and for the same reason as Adrien (she lived a sheltered/away from other kids). The only difference is that Gabriel was trying to make Adrien "perfect" model but Ozai wanted Azula to be the "perfect" soldier (putting quotations around perfect because I don't think perfection exists).
This is another reason why I started gravitating towards Azulanette. As ML goes on, Marinette helps Adrien find courage in himself to start doing things for himself and I can see the same happening for Azula.
Along with Adrien, Marinette also helped Kagami break away from her mom's control and became her first real friend in Ikari Gozen. Then you have Zoe, Zoe was terrified of Chloe so she did her best to be Chloe's carbon copy but after meeting Marinette, she changed. Then you have Adoration, when we see Zoe finally stand up to Chloe.
If given the proper circumstances, this same thing could happen between Azula and Marinette. Azula is a child warrior who spent her life dedicating herself to a war that I don't really think she ever truly believed in. Azula deserves to have a chance to change and be better.
Also, even though there isn't much in the name of Azula's love life, the only love interest Azula has ever had has been Chan but due to her lacking social skills, she sent him away (I want to point out that having poor social skills/coming off too strong wouldn't scare Marinette).
Azula would probably be more attracted to stronger people/people who can protect themselves which is something that Marinette does well. She's the holder of the strongest Miraculous, has worn the most Miraculouses than anyone in history (and she's a kid, so she's only going to get stronger), and she's pretty clever too. I want to again point out that Marinette has gotten several different people to fall for her so Azula can be another one.
Also, they'd be toxic yuri, enemies to lovers, with a red/blue color scheme and because I'm me I love that. So I'd still put them under makes sense and compels me.
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taldigi · 4 months
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Biggest mistake of Miraculous Ladybug was putting a lot less emphasis on the Yin Yang/ balance theme (in terms of character devalopment. Marinette and Cat boy, whichever version of him, being opposites in nature yet compliment and learn from each other).
Do you agree?
From how the show ended up being, I get the vibe that TA never really wanted to write Ladybug & Chat Noir... and just wanted to write Ladybug. It was like that at inception and even now LB is given an absurd amount of focus and importance, despite that initial stretch of development and S1 implying that they are a Yin-Yang Dynamic.
IIRC, the Black Cat miraculous is eventually demoted to "just another miraculous", even though its later shown that Plagg and Tikki are the same person split in two like a reverse Gem Fusion or some kind of Tuvix thing. The show keeps implying that they are on the same wavelength- equal but opposite in power: but they are so very clearly not as.. like I said, The Ladybug miraculous- and Ladybug by extension, is the single most important player in the game.
(There's an easy remedy that would justify the reason as to why the cat and bug HAVE to be active at the same time: Each has their own power and the ability to dispel akuma. and then make the miraculous cure into a combo move that must be performed together. To prevent widespread destruction and minimize loss of life, it must be this particular duo of miraculous. But as of now, and assumedly forever, the black cat does not need to be a part of the equation- and it would theoretically be safer to hide away the cat so that if the bug is compromised, the fate of the world may be saved: even if Paris cannot be.)
The frustration at loss of that yin-yang/opposites attract dynamic isn't an insistence that LB be should be overshadowed or overthrown in her own show- as many often claim. I've seen MANY takes and videos that insist that Adrien should be the star of the show- and while I agree that Adrien should be more proactive than reactive, I can deffo argue otherwise. He (and cat noir as extention) can exist as an intriguing deuteragonist and not dethrone LB- there is a reason Belle is the main character and not the Beast.. consider Lilo and Stitch? and of these characters, who have the stories more intertwined and intimate with the conflict at hand? Beast has the darker backstory, Stitch is more intertwined with the conflict- as it's about HIM specifically. But they are not the Protagonists. Belle and Lilo are because their movies are about them. Marinette's story isn't interesting. She has no genuine conflict. She has no uncle ben moment. She has no drive to be anything more. Even her relationship with her bullies isn't supplemented with a "I'm different or weird" conflict. She's the perfect little girl. She's good at everything, she's a prodigy. Her clumsiness is charming.
TLDR: The story would be better if they did have a yin/yang thing. Opposites- (they don't have to be enemies!) and realy played into the love square as a conflict and a back-and forth. If ML wants to tell an overarching story, then characters must grow to be interesting.
The story would also be better if Chat Noir did not exist at all, because we would waste less time trying to make a character fit in a story where he is not welcome. But I don't think it would be popular without him. Not when people are horny for adrien.
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Charles Rambles: on Chiharata and shipping the losing ship
I’m currently working on something else but I had to break away for a bit because this train of thought was too long to include and needed a post proper. This is a topic I have always wanted to discuss but have been too scared to because people are always ready to jump you in a dark alleyway if they even hear Arata’s name mentioned in vain. Well guess what DING DONG bitch ANSWER THE FKIN DOOR because today I’m breaking my silence and talking about Chiharata.
I mean lucky for me most of the avid Chiharata shippers have died in the war and what else do I have to lose since I am already hated by quite a few in this fandom (lol). So anyways this is more of a ramble (not an essay) on why I never shipped Chiharata and the reasons why I think it would have been a lacklustre ending to Chihayafuru on the basis of the way that Chiharata was PURPOSELY written.
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You should have known it was over for your when Arata did the platonic Eden no Hana goodbye handshake. I blame the flowers.
For anyone who knows me, I was an Arata hater from day 1. When I was about to watch the anime people told me I was going to like the 2ND ML (Taichi) more and be very depressed. I was like pffff yeah right we’ll see about that. Then it happened exactly the way they said it would. The moment Taichi was introduced I was like oh noooo that guy lol he’s the one. Then for the rest of Chihayafuru I laid awake in anguish as I watched Chihaya have a crush on Arata FOR NO DISCERNIBLE REASON (to me)!! I was like WHERE TF DID THIS COME FROM??
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So she did want to see him but was it because of a crush or because she wanted to play him in a match? (Spoiler: it was about Karuta)
I’ll admit a little hatred began brewing for Arata (but like I didn’t hate him but I also did y’know??) and I’m going to be real, I wasn’t always fair to Arata’s character lmao. I was biased because of preconceived notions I had going into the anime. I know this, but I don’t regret it because at least it was funny:
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OK NO THE SECOND TWEET I AM STILL RIGHT ARATA SHOULD HAVE DELIVERED IT HIMSELF? EVEN IF TAICHI WAS HER BF HE CAN GIVE HER HIS PHONE NUMBER WTF
Like at the start of the manga Arata was going through the traumatic loss of the person he loved the most (canon) his grandpa. And I was like HOW DARE YOU NOT TALK TO YOUR FRIENDS IMMEDIATELY?? Why was I so needlessly heartless towards him LMAO.
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I mean he was purposely written as the boulder so WHAT WAS I SUPPOSED TO FEEL
Sometimes people tell me that Taichi was right (when they first visited him in Fukui) in pushing Arata over when he kicked the cards but Taichi really DID NOT need to do that at all idc what you say. I’m defending Arata’s big stinky dogs in this case. Taichi I still love you even when you make mistakes. Sorry this got off topic... (that’s why this is a ramble not an essay)
However, I never fully hated Arata. The problem was since I didn’t like him in the ship there wasn’t much to like him outside of that. I did like the relationship with his grandpa but it only seemed to be really relevant at the beginning of the manga and at the end. Arata’s Karuta arc was probably the messiest out of the three and it was really difficult for me to resonate with it. His arc seemed to be a prodigy not feeling bad for playing at his full strength and winning? I don’t know the jury is still out on that one (and I am simplifying it a lot for the comedy). I actively looked for people discussing Arata’s Karuta arc but I almost never found any and I’m not sure if it’s because they kept their analysis locked up behind an Arata loving paywall or because I quickly made myself known as another bitchass illiterate Taichihaya they kept me blocked and off their lawn. So I am not an authority on that but I think when I do a re-read I actually would like to try and figure it out.
What I did often read in relation to Arata was of course the romance the ship between him and Chihaya. Now, I didn’t read these analysis to piss myself (necessarily lol). I actually think to be fully critical and fair you should read the other side’s arguments if for no other reason than to rip them apart (which I could every single time lmao). However, now it make a me sad because now that Chiharata didn’t pan out nobody wants to talk about him much anymore. Taichihayas hate him and already dug his grave out back Chiharatas threw him in there started piling dirt on him. It’s ok Arata, if nobody loves you then I will. YES I HAD MY LOVING ARATA ARC…
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Funny story after shipping him pettily with Sumire I flew to close to the sun b/c I wrote a 5k petty fic about him and Sumire (as a response to my ACTUAL LEAST FAVOURITE SHIP TAICHI AND SUMIRE) and then I started to like the ship and Arata… I was like oh no this isn’t a joke anymore… AND THEN I MANIFESTED MY CRACK SHIP? Crazy
Back on topic:
From what I observed through the bars of my Taichihaya cage these are some of the reasons people like Chiharata:
Arata not putting any sort of pressure on Chihaya when he confessed and respecting her boundaries (not that she ever had to explicitly set any since they barely interacted)
His earnestness
The connection they had to their childhood
Their flirting? (I mean people thought it was sweet the way they were always blushing around each other and using someone else’s words “the cautious touch” personally I found it awkward that’s why I cannot in good sense not put a question mark LMAO)
Both being Karuta Bakas and the idea that they would be clueless in their relationship because they would just hyper-fixate on their shared passion. (This was more a HC than what we actually saw considering Chihaya didn’t remember the game she played against Arata)
Right so on the surface level I don’t see anything wrong with any of these points? A lot of them I too like in theory. Especially a man who respects boundaries (side eyes at you Taichi). I don’t think shipping them because this kind of relationship appeals to you is bad even if they were not the canon ending. It’s fiction and you can do whatever you want. You can have your head canons and your fan fictions (like someone passively aggressively said to me about Taichihaya once lmao)! Please your Chiharata AO3 tag needs it there’s only 24 fics (I think)
Even I can think of moments between Arata and Chihaya that made me question my loyalty (ok there was only 1 LMAO).
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Not gonna lie it’s kinda funny he picked hauled her up on his shoulders like a sack of potatoes. ARATA IS SO IMPULSIVE AND THAT’S WHY HE’S A FUNNY LIL GUY.
Why did I like this moment despite finding it a lil awkward and cringe? Because for the first time Arata kind of understood the weight that Chihaya carried and he really saw who she was - someone who works hard and wants to win more than anything. He learned more in this little moment than he ever would playing against her. It was THIS that was needed… moments outside of a Karuta match where they could dispel the illusions that they had of each other and actually get to know WHO THEY WERE IN THE PRESENT!! Both of them had changed a lot since their childhood.
That was always my criticism of Arata and Chihaya’s relationship was that they really did not know each other beyond their childhood selves. Let’s look at what I tweeted I think 12 episodes into the anime:
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This tweet still makes me laugh because of the Karuta name thing cddkj I was really going through it
That is not to say you need to know someone in order to date them. You can date anyone for any reason. In fact, people seem to forget that Chihaya herself was willing to date random man from train station who had no interest in Karuta lmao.
But surely, knowing someone intimately is something required to maintain a romantic relationship? I’m hoping that is a given for everyone. That’s why I failed to understand why people would see them dating as a victory in the romance department; that they would instantly have this incredible profound, moving, and impactful relationship instead of thing that happened because Chihaya had a crush and felt like it? Or was it because they both liked Karuta and dating would be an extension of their passion for Karuta…….. uh ok sounds gr8 but they don’t need to date to play Karuta together dclksdjknsdjk
Like what did Chihaya even see in Arata as a person? The only thing that she seems to admire about him is how he plays Karuta..
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That and his big hands I guess lmao. Big hands to play Karuta with.
Because I am in my Arata defender stage I actually think THAT IS A CRIME BECAUSE ARATA HAS A LOT OF GOOD TRAITS GOING FOR HIM:
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He’s shy and blushy
He’s awkward but cute
His black hakama
He’s blind in an endearing way
Domestic King (thanks to the spin off chapter)
Caring to the elderly
Occasionally very sweet when he feels like
Cares DEEPLY ABOUT HIS FRIENDS
Strong arms can pick you up because of his 500 practice swings
Gives tall guy vibes despite being shorter than Taichi (he’ll always be taller to me idc)
Now unlike Arata we actually saw Chihaya’s thoughts towards Taichi:
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I mean I don’t even need to point out the stark difference between them lmao. That’s not even mentioning what the boys think of Chihaya. It’s pretty evident when you put their confessions side by side.
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Like for Arata the basis of his confession is him thinking back to their childhood memories and Chihaya asking him to play Karuta together forever. So no wonder he ended his confession with “let’s play Karuta together sometime” because literally that’s all he knows about her.
Which brings me to my next point of why I never shipped Chiharata and this is due to their lack of present “screen time”. Now, do not misunderstand me, lack of screen time does not stop me from shipping two characters when I think characters might actually be a good pairing. I shipped Arata and Sumire based on their one single interaction in the manga BEFORE IT WAS COOL. So trust me when I say I AM OPEN TO FILLING THE GAPS OF CANON WITH HEADCANON.
Though it immediately becomes clear at the beginning of Chihayafuru that Chihaya feels some sort of way towards Arata (a crush) however we as the reader only got like 6 chapters of childhood backstory to explain their relationship which included Arata helping Chihaya make a dream of her own and her awesome moment when she takes a card from him. What is lacking is any cute childhood blooming romance. Most of the childhood arc is spent on the trio: Chihaya, Taichi and Arata. So I always failed to understand WHY she would be crushing on this guy other than guy really good at Karuta and me likey Karuta. Literally she said the time they spent apart made him become like a God of Karuta… Like uh this your man?
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Chihaya and Arata’s bond based on their shared childhood dream is meant to be contrasted to the relationship Chihaya has with Taichi. While one is confined to Chihaya’s longing to see him (Arata) THE ONE SHE HAS WITH TAICHI IS REAL TANGIBLE AND CLEARLY UNFOLDS BEFORE OUR EYES.
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This is from the first 11 chapters we early Taichihaya shippers were FEASTING
From this we understand their dynamic! Did Chiharata’s ever listen to the reasons we liked Taichihaya? Well here are my reasons: it was because of their chemistry, their banter and teasing. But they are also so caring towards each and supportive and it wasn’t one sided either. They help each other become the best versions of themselves and they also have something that the other person lacks. Chihaya has a terrible memory and Taichi doesn’t have naturally gifted hearing. They are soulmates but opposites. SUN AND MOON.
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Maybe all of this could have been used to develop a friendship? You know sure I’ll roll with that let’s say it was all leading to something completely platonic. Then please explain to me what would be the reason of PURPOSELY DEPICTING TAICHI AND CHIHAYA LIKE THIS?? LIKE THE PICTURES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES
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I purposely picked moments from Chihaya’s perspective to make a point lol
The only thing that was lacking from these interactions is the shoujo filters, sparkles and flowers almost like the point was a superficial teenage crush vs. SOMETHING WITH A BIT MORE SERIOUSNESS AND DEPTH.
I have always ascertained that Chihaya is clueless when it comes to love but I never meant that in a derogatory sense. She is a teenager who is figuring herself out IN A COMING OF AGE STORY! She has to start as a dumbass in order to grow up!! People always seemed to get it wrong and think that Chihaya was somehow very mature in her feelings when it came to Arata when she was most certainly not. Why did she leave Arata hanging for 8 months only to be reminded by Kana’s remarks about turning into sea foam (sea weed?) that she should actually respond to his confession like kdjsnakjdsnsc.
It’s fine that she had a crush on Arata though. At that age, I too had dumb ideas about love. I thought that the person I marry should be good at piano because it would be very important to be serenaded in the future. While this certainly would be nice I AM WISER that there are far more important qualities to look for in a partner.
Since Chiharata shippers have also suddenly become cognizant that Chihaya and Arata had little screen time together (and none outside of Karuta) they are calling it bad writing since it wasn’t “fair”. First of all, real relationships are not always “fair” - not everyone gets an equal chance to become a couple with someone and spend time with them? Not to mention that it wasn’t the problem that Arata didn’t live in Tokyo because LONG DISTANCE RELATIONSHIPS EXIST? If Chihaya and Arata wanted to they could (Taichihaya ending up long distance is almost like Suetsugu is trying to say the distance was never the problem). It was never supposed to be “fair” because thematically that’s not what Chihaya’s crush on Arata was ever about.
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These girls are me being like Chihaya what on earth are you talking about.
Chihaya’s views about love at the beginning are incredibly and purposely naive and immature. The only thing that seems to matter to her in a partner is being good at Karuta. THIS IS NOT TREATED AS SOMETHING SERIOUS AND OR MEANINGFUL IT IS PURPOSELY RIDICULOUS!! Because of this being one of the only traits Chihaya looked for in a partner IT MADE HER FIRST CRUSH BE her MARRIED sensei.
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On the one hand I get it Chihaya Harada is a dilf you are valid.
That’s why when Chihaya said she needed to be “worthy” to sit in front of her crush I hope every single one of the people who shipped Chiharata realized this was an arbitrary standard and really should not matter when it comes to love?
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If you or someone you know had to say this line with any ounce of seriousness as a defence for your ship you may be owed financial compensation.
I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they were thinking that eventually this notion would be deconstructed afterwards because damn that is very shallow and also stupid lol. It’s just very weird that so many people still thought that “feeling worthy to sit in front of him” was relevant for Chihaya to be able to confess back to Arata because…
Arata confessed independently from Chihaya feeling “worthy”
She already sat in front of him and smoked him
It definitely does help when the person that you love shares your passion absolutely but again “passion” for another (love) is not the same as “passion” for sport. They are separate and not interchangeable. That was the point.
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Like I’m sorry it couldn’t get more on the nose when some NPC said this about Chihaya’s crush dcndacjkjkn.
Then of course there are the subjective reasons why I don’t think a relationship between Chihaya and Arata would be really good for them. In a lot of ways they are too similar to each other in the sense of being “clueless” Karuta bakas. That’s why so many people made a ship where Chihaya and Arata’s relationship had to be mediated by Taichi who would keep both of them in line, which, would be fine if Taichi wasn’t a miserable sod who had his heart broken. Like that was simply too much to expect from him even if he was the happily rejected party in the end… Like sorry I don’t wish that for him !! He has the self esteem of a roll of paper towel in what world would that be a good ending for him kjncjdjkn
Even in canon like Arata simply must let Chiha go to move forward (I will expand on this a later time). The love that was pushing him forward (unlike for Taichi) was actually the love he had for his grandpa.
That’s beautiful, I guess platonic love wins! Thank you, I’m collecting tips in my hat.
No but seriously there was also this holier than thou attitude that some Chiharata shippers had that they were the enlightened ones who valued the true platonic love that Taichi and Chihaya had and that people who thought it was romance were simply projecting. Taichihayas simply were not respecting Chihaya’s agency! Because YES it was so clear that Chihaya was already in love with Arata!!
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Damn Kana that manipulative mastermind making Chihaya doubt her strong and passionate love for Arata!
I mean she had a crush on him, she already said she was in love with him (even though she said she didn’t understand her feelings platonic love could never apply to Arata shhh) and rejected Taichi. The thing is, it’s fiction idc what the author might have “intended”. The depth in a relationship I wanted was in the Taichihaya pairing. I never once felt guilty shipping them even though I didn’t genuinely believe in a Taichihaya ending until 246. Not because Chiharata was better written but because I am a depressed bitch. But like if Chiharata was canon I could simply write it off as being dumb and pretend away the ending while enjoying everything else. However, I was always willing to accept a Chiharata ending because at the end of the day I actually do respect the character’s “agency” to pick their partner and love doesn’t always make sense.
What would not make sense to me in the slightest is why Taichi and Chihaya would be written like that to have a more meaningful and impactful relationship than the guy who she was in love with. But then we get to subjectivity, maybe people consider their best friends to be their closest relationships and the guy is the one you date because of his large hands and supposed sexual tension. Idk to each their own.
It speaks volumes that now that Chiharata didn’t become canon people are pissed off because at the end of it they don’t even consider Chihaya and Arata to be friends? SO WAIT A MINUTE THEIR RELATIONSHIP WAS ENOUGH TO SUGGEST LOVERS BUT NOT FRIENDS?? I don’t even need to say much about that.
I know some people REALLY wanted a friendship ending with Taichi maybe more than they even wanted Chiharata to happen. I get it, the idea that your friend can be crazy in love with you but then be you know what after everything we can still be friends (WHICH TAICHI FKIN DID). So if you liked that theme, why are you not satisfied with it being told through Arata? HELL SUMIRE HAD THAT EXACT STORYLINE?? YOU HATE WOMEN OR WHAT.
Is it because Arata didn’t need that much time to process getting rejected (well he did actually b/c as we always said he got soft rejected) because MAYBE HE CLUED INTO THE FACT that he was fighting a losing battle? Or is it the fact that absolutely nothing changed Chiharata’s relationship with Chihaya not reciprocating his feelings? If that’s the case, then maybe the author was trying to say that Arata’s feelings weren’t that DEEP for Chihaya. Maybe HE VALUES friendship with both Taichi and Chihaya more than to make a big scene. He has been set up to process disappointment easier than say Taichi?
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I guess it sucks when it turns out you guys were PROJECTING as much into the story as those Taichihaya romance obsessed baboons. Everyone projects into a story. It’s actually ok ! WE ARE THE SAME IN THIS REGARD. LET’S JOIN HANDS AND UNDIG ARATA FROM HIS GRAVE PLEASEEEEEEE. To conclude my massively long rant and because I can no longer add any pictures, by the time we got to 246 without Chihaya and Arata dating it should have been fairly clear that it was not going to happen. Their relationship had barely progressed and if Chihaya would date Arata with the intention of getting to know him more OUTSIDE of Karuta... SHE’D NEED TIME FOR THAT!! It should have happened much earlier and not been dragged out to the end of the manga. (A topic I will leave for another time)
However by the time we got to the ending if Chiharata happened it would simply just be the pairing off of two characters a romance conclusion a la shonen. Chihaya would be getting a trophy and a husband for accomplishing her dream.
Instead the thesis was actually that “love” like Kaurta is something you have to work towards. It’s not always easy nor is it always “happy”. Yet it is worth it when you find the right person- you will still want to be with them “by their side” even when it’s rough.
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Crazy how Taichi said this in chapter 9.
SO that pretty much wraps up my thoughts on Chiharata (for now)
This is Charles reminding you that Arata is now in his Tokyo Hottie arc!
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crizztelcb · 2 years
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I find it pretty interesting the renlings don't appear to other people unless is their holder and that it probably can get really confusing like if I got a prodigious and saw a creature and i pointed at it and no one could see I would get really really nervous about it XD I think I would have a spider prodigious just because sometimes I hallucinate with them.
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Will you ultilize content from the ml world specials (Paris, Shangai and NY)? Both the power systems (the same heroes of NY, since you mentioned there will indeed be other heroes, and the Prodigious) and the characters (fei, aeon, Jess etc)?
Yep!
Jess, Aeon, and Fei will be a part of the story as will their hero counterparts Eagle, Uncanny Valley, and Lady Dragon!
On top of this, the Paris special characters (Shadybug, Claw Noir, etc) will also be used in some format though I'm not 100% sure how yet as I'm still only at the beginning of the story in the writing process
And as for the power system, it's being slightly reworked to better fit my rewrite but the heroes in the New York special (namely Majestia and Knight Owl) will make appearances as non-Miraculous wielding heroes to help with the world building
A small explanation of the Magic of the world is rather simple: All heroes/villains stem from either Magic (which in and of itself stems from the Kwami's), Technology (like Techno-Pirate or Knight Owl), or a mixture of the two
(As a small sidenote: Majestia/Olympia is NOT an alien in this rewrite, she's just a human who has a connection to Magic)
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One thing that has really interested me as of late has been the development of the Miraculous Shanghai special. Looking at all the old promo art, it seems to have changed a lot. For starters, it was originally called "The Chinese Legend" and was seemingly going to have Master Fu in it
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(Makes me wonder if it was initially going to relate to the Order of the Guardians in some way since it doesn't give a clear location)
Also, it seems that there was going to be what appears to be a spirit dragon that looks like it would've played a major role with how often it appears in promo art
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On top of that, when I went to the Wiki to get those images, I found these
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And I honestly don't know what to say about them other than that the New York special influence was strong.
I could definitely see that the Shanghai Special was potentially more about the Order and Fu. Makes sense given it's related to China. And if it potentially would've been an exploration on Fu, his origins, and on the Order.
Which makes me wonder what the earlier plan was, especially as it doesn't feel like they really had sentimonsters planned from the start, and I don't know about you guys, but I didn't like Fu's origins. So I wonder if they had something else in mind and made changes. As with most of ML's concepts, those ideas were probably better.
As I do think the Chinese Special should've been the place to reveal and introduce the Zodiac Miraculous and where they came from (as it didn't make Fu look good having 16-17 Miraculous and gave out the very two HM wanted), that dragon could've been a protector of them, seeking a worthy Guardian to take on the Zodiac. Could even be the dragon kwami spiritually manifested. Which a whole Zodiac of powerful Miraculous sealed away makes more sense than the Prodigious that just has you transforming into 8 animals, which you can't even control unless you're virtuous. Very dangerous indeed.
Or that dragon it could've been a rare instance of just seeing another magical creature, work off Thomas' older claim that there was other magic out there than just Miraculous.
As for the heroes, I am kinda glad they didn't make it in. I don't like those designs. I can roll with the idea that every country/state/city could have their own hero, but they really do just roll out too much.
Speaking of Specials, I remember that, supposedly, that we were going to see the Turtle's power in the Christmas Special, and hearing that Chris Master was the original Christmas Special, I wonder if that was originally where we were supposed to see Carapace for the first time, and Nino was going to be the first temporary hero to be seen. And that would've been his time to really shine. Though it also could've been our first intro to Jade, seeing what Turtle could do in a fight, and potentially Chat's way of meeting Fu (though as Jade instead), and maybe that's the point where Fu's like, ok, I really am too old for this, you guys do temp heroes.
Either option sounds better than what we got in canon.
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starrypawz · 9 months
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@swingingliveaway tagged me to shuffle my on repeat playlist and post 10 songs.
I'll tag if you want @sun-teas @mihqorio @danielsullivan @beholdme @ml-nolan @sweetlyfez @impossible-rat-babies
King Florence + the Machine
Ghost (Alt Mix) Halsey
Dragula Rob Zombie
Fall (M83 vs Big Black Delta Remix) Daft Punk
Weapon of Choice Fatboy Slim
Thunder (Official Remix) Imagine Dragons K.Flay
Don't Play Halsey
Kiss (Club Mix) London After Midnight
Young Volcanoes Fall Out Boy
Rhythm Bomb (feat. Flux Pavilion) The Prodigy
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