#lucifer’s vessel or not

[trialssam]

the way jared played lucifer as the innocent and arrogant at the same time will always be iconic to me

#the perfect vessel #lucifer!sam #jared padalecki appreciation #spn #supernatural

[lucigirl]

presenting my take on the toxic old men and their intricate and unserious ways.

lil silly bonus under cut :p

#hazbin hotel #alastor #lucifer morningstar #radioapple #lucifer x alastor #emerges from my bedroom after so many hours. okay got that out of my system. how is everyone. #eekk kindof obsessed with whatevr theyve got going on in the third one.... that was barely me my hand was being moved i was just a vessel #vaggie do you know what this means do you know what this means. she Caught the Bouquet. WAKE UP!!! #luci in a dress sighs dreamily and kicks feet.....

[adammilligans]

The ironic part of Zachariah saying that Adam wasn’t really the chosen one is that HE LITERALLY WAS!! Adam was Michael’s first act of free will. Michael CHOOSE Adam over Dean. He could have easily kept going after Dean but no! He took Adam instead, even though as Gabriel put it - SINCE THE BEGINNING they knew that it was supposed to be Sam and Dean. Michael just said fuck that the rules don’t apply to me

#that’s why I love him #his whole thing was being obedient and sticking with heaven’s plan yet #he literally didn’t ??? #he passed up on his TRUE VESSEL #he’d have to know that it would be a disadvantage against Lucifer right? #someone who’s better with worlds needs to explain my thought process on this #adam milligan #midam #michael spn #spn #supernatural #midam spn #adam milligan and michael #adam and michael #gay as fuck

[quietwingsinthesky]

it ever hit you out of nowhere that castiel is living in a dead guy's body and the show just does not care. it does not care. jimmy novak might as well not exist the moment he or claire is out of sight. cas stole a guy's body and his face and his life, and we can't ever talk about it or discuss it in detail because of how fucking horrifying it is that sam and dean's best friend just walks around in a dead guy suit. there's not even a human soul in there anymore. it's just a corpse. stone-cold body snatcher indeed.

#castiel spn #spn #this is not like a Castiel Crime (tm) to be clear. this is more me being (un)surprised that the show is Like This. #castiel is a horror story he is so much a horror story in the rapture #and then they just uh. never bring up again how horrifying and fucked up this is for another like 7 seasons #and when they do its to briefly go :( claire lost her dad :) but its okay! she forgives cas for it! #which!! NO SHE SHOULD FUCKING NOT!!! #but we can't have that discussion. we can't talk about that. because to acknowledge that it's fucked up would mean making cas kind of. evil #in a way that would vastly improve his later character arcs btw. if we had to reckon with not only this massive transgression #but with the fact that cas himself STILL DOESN'T SEE IT AS ONE. #that on a lot of fundamental levels. he is still functioning as he did in s4. a lot of that base programming is still there. #something something how cas never changes out of his suit under his trenchcoat #but it's like. jimmy said yes. so it's fine. that's what it is to him. #anyway. i wish they hadn't been scared of making all three of the boys more fucked up in later seasons. #thank GOD for dean being interesting in how he becomes Worse <3 because they were not bringing that for castiel. #again. good version of spn where jimmy's bloodline is an off-shoot of the lucifer vessel bloodline. explaining a) how lucifer Got In There #and b) letting lucifer possess claire later so that the two of them can have daddy issues together. #something about cas being the monster-not monster that jimmy let in that destroyed his life. #something about lucifer being the monster-not monster that castiel lets in later. the cycles. they are cycling.

[seasononesam]

why must the special children plotline "make sense" in the "show"...is it not enough to watch ava wilson summon demons with her mind?

#'it negates sam being lucifers chosen vessel' god forbid azazel have some fun #personal

[samangstielwinchester]

Season 11 is so good but one change I would make.

We shouldn't have been shown that Lucifer possessed Castiel.

We should've found out the exact same time Sam did, in episode fourteen. Can you IMAGINE. Obviously he'd been acting off - some of us might have called it. But that reveal, when he started laughing at Sam? Ugh.

#spn #Lucifer #casifer #Castiel #11x14 #season 11 #sam Winchester #the vessel #s11 #supernatural

[ganggoestohell]

The earth's my home, and I want to go home.

angels in america: perestroika by tony kushner supernatural "lucifer rising" dir. eric kripke

#web weaving #im so sorry this came into my brain and i couldn't let it go #4x22 #spn #supernatural #lucifer rising #angels in america #perestroika #it feels sacreligious to compare tony kushner's writing to supernatural but the parallels are THERE #tfw you're a prophet/vessel for an archangel and the apocalypse is on your shoulders but you're just a gay man and don't want all that #oh also #destiel #for the numbers #ad.post #my edit

[girlwithonegoal]

sorry but the only reason destiel even works is because wincest did it first and also better

i've been thinking a LOT about this and want to get it all out so here it is. if dean was truly in love with cas, he would not have hesitated to tell him so when he literally knew cas was about to DIE. we don't see that. we see shock, grief, disbelief (an angel loves me!), we see him trying desperately to process his best friend is leaving him but nowhere does dean say, or imply, with his eyes, or words, that he's in love with cas. of course he loves cas - cas is family - and cas is not exactly his brother, (closest is brother-in-arms), despite his insistence in an earlier episode - but he's not in the kind of soul-crushing love that cas is with him. he's not in love with cas, and can't be, because he's already in love with sam.

when dean dies, he gets as close as he possibly can to confessing to sam he's in love with him without actually crossing the line. he would never to that to sam - he would never do to sam what cas did to him - because he would NEVER do anything to make sam lose his agency (sidebar: not that cas doesn't respect dean. but his love confession is almost wish fulfillment - i'm going to confess to dean i love him and go out in a blaze of glory and then leave without dean ever even having to reciprocate because i know he doesn't love me back. and he's absolutely right).

dean has already had years and years of not having his own agency from john his whole fucking life! john did whatever he wanted to dean and dean took it because like hell was he going to subject sam to that bullshit. which brings us to sam and dean's childhood - not much is known of their early years before sam went to stanford and that's fully on purpose. we can almost see dean as not only a brother figure to sam but also a father figure. john leaving for weeks maybe even months at a time - how the hell did dean and sam manage to survive? by dean doing whatever he had to do. emphasis on whatever.

you see, john absolutely knows that dean is beautiful. whether you read their relationship as purely abusive or abusive with a sexual component - dean definitely did questionable things to get food on the table for sam, an aspect that's more in fanon that canon but reads true to the heart of the show. sam doesn't know because dean wanted a normal childhood for him. and dean would rather die and go to hell for 800 years than force sam to make a choice, make any choice, of a romantic and/or sexual nature related to him.

back to dean's death. this is again the closest thing to a love confession that dean can make - my baby brother - take out the word brother and it would be not only romantic but stunningly true - he raised sam, this child who grew up to be a man, this child who loves him - waiting outside sam's dorm for hours - can you picture him pacing in the snow, waiting for the one thing he wants but can't have??? why does that sound familiar? oh, right, because that's what cas said but in dean and sam's case it would be actually true. how cruel and unbelievably insane it is to find your soulmate in your brother, the one person you have that you love unconditionally, not just because they are your family but because you are in love with them, and you can never have them as long as you live.

re: american gothic and soulmatism. very different from crimson peak where thomas fully realizes the unhealthiness of the codependent incestuous relationship with his sister and wants to be free and happy with edith. but sam and dean don't want to be free. in their minds, they already are free as long as they have each other and only each other. not getting in all the other romantic relationships that the brothers have with other people bc it would take too long, but they already fulfill that need for each other and don't need anyone else...like i'm sorry i love my sister but i want to get married one day to someone else. if you read their relationship as purely platonic, it doesn't work at ALL.

the kripke early seasons fully leaned into the gothic horror aspect of it all and incest is definitely a part of that...dean and sam literally cannot live without each other. they can't do it! sam dies in dean's arms and dean can't even wait five fucking minutes without making a deal with a demon lmao. he can't eat. he can't sleep. their love is a perpetual resurrection; they keep killing each other and bringing each other back to life. because they don't know how to stop. they are a singular mangled fucked up entity. i read a fic once where the author described sam as hating his own body because it was separate from dean's and dean's whole presence was a phantom pain. and yeah. just yeah. they can't live without each other because they ARE each other.

seasons 1-3 to me are spn at its soul. that's it. cas only works as a side character, if he's a brother (like, purely platonically) to both sam and dean or just unrequited romantic love for dean. the trope of an angel falling in love with a faithless man who can't pray only works if dean hasn't been in love with sam the whole time.

#wincest #anti destiel #supernatural #dean/sam #deansam #samdean #supernatural meta #spn #spn meta #meta #* #i actually don't hate destiel but come on....everything about destiel can be applied to wincest. everything! #“i'd rather have you cursed or not” - like are you kidding me? who is more cursed than sam #the vessel of lucifer?!?!?! #also destiel is too sweet for me. there i said it. cas makes dean better and a little less codependent with sam #but i want dean and sam to be fucked up for eternity #buried alive together. #arms reaching out for each other. do you get me #this also works SO well if you keep in mind cas was insanely rude to sam when they first met #because he fucking KNEW that sam was in love with dean #and dean felt the same way

[sammwitch]

i see a lot of (wonderful, godtier) thoughts on here about sam relapsing with the demon blood during the demon!dean arc and how that could play out. i love it, BUT

Sam possessed by demon dean

thank you for coming to my ted talk

#you could do soooo much with their relationship #and sam's autonomy #and dean circumventing sam's autonomy #sam keeping dean from hell by housing him in her body #sam #who overcame possession by LUCIFER for dean #sins shared are sins halved <3 #sam winchester #dean winchester #demon dean #mark of cain #spn #supernatural #not wincest #would the powers come back? #a demon's vessel's blood becomes demon blood when they're possessed #sam+demon blood= profit

[trialssam]

Insane how Sam's first line on Supernatural defined his entire story on the series

#“do i have to go with dean to find dad?” “yes” #“do i have to be lucifer's vessel?” “yes” #“do i have to be a hunter?” “yes” #etc #sam winchester #supernatural #spn

[michaelectras]

i find the whole ‘lucifer represents femininity while michael represents masculinity’ thing so interesting because like from a non-white perspective it’s the exact opposite. michael’s the quintessential female/sister figure in any asian story— runs the proverbial house with an iron fist, filial piety to the power of a billion, raises the kids, overlooked by the dad figure, doesn’t rebel, doesn’t question anything, the likes. meanwhile lucifer’s the quintessential male figure— he’s allowed to argue and rebel (created for it, in fact), he’s the father’s (creator’s) favourite despite being the one to oppose and challenge him, and he has a level of free will and freedom that michael never has/gets. this isn’t even considering the whole ‘lucifer parallels chuck while michael parallels amara’ theory (which im unsurprisingly a fan of) and the whole ‘sam (lucifers vessel) is chuck’s favourite punching bag’ thing vs ‘chuck has a psychosexual obsession with dean (michael)’ thing which brings up plenty of opportunities for a jungian/freudian examination of all this

idk it’s so so so fascinating how individual cultural experiences revolving around race and gender can shape these kinds of things. also not discounting the conflicting imagery of all this (for example michael being associated with fire, classic yang symbolism, while lucifer’s associated with ice, which is yin. but at the same time lucifer’s a very active character and associated with light while michael’s incredibly passive, which are yang and yin traits respectively) and how multiple interpretations can be true at the same time i just think psychoanalysing angels through the lens of gender (and lack thereof) is neat :)

#kind of vaguely ish connected to my last post about michael being an asian daughter lol #may or may not pull out the ego and the id and properly make this freudian this post was inspired by reading iphigenia at aulis again #but the vibes are there #and also just watching asian tv again and just thinking how interesting it is that the gender roles are so different at times #and both michael and lucifer have male and female vessels so #ygm? #idk this isnt coherent but i needed to get it out #spn michael #spn lucifer

[cyantt-does-stuff]

Why does this look so familiar....

"The Fallen Angel" painting by Alexandre Cabanel

HOLY FUCK-

#supernatural #spn #dean #dean winchester #lucifer #lucifer morningstar #lucifer painting #the fallen angel #parallel #like holy fuck what if we had dean as the true vessel of satan #side note #jensen is so good at expressions #this makes me feel things

[suncaptor]

The fact Sam doesn't raise his hands or try to pull away or ANYTHING when Lucifer sticks his hand inside him. Like Sam just stands there, still like mobile and not pressed up via powers, taking it.

#SCREAMING. HES SCREAMING IN AGONY. HIS HANDS ARENT PRESSED AGAINST THE WALL. THEYRE JUST. HANGING BY HIS SIDE #ask to tag #tw abuse #lucifer #casifer #the vessel #s11 #spn #incoherents #sammy #supernatural #sam winchester #s.a

[sam-winchesters-gay-lover]

i’d do anything for jared lucifer. like actually

#i’d say yes to him anytime i’m being so for real #not…. the other vessel tho. sorry man. #jared’s version is just so. captivating idk #i just watched swan song last night and now. i can’t stop thinking about it #i’m in love with him basically #supernatural #sam winchester #lucifer #mac rambles #mac watches spn

[seasononesam]

Supernatural Make Me Choose: anonymous asked possessed by Lucifer Sam or possessed by Gadreel Sam?

I've been waiting for you... for a long, long time. Come on, Sam. You have to admit – you can feel it, right? What? The exhilaration. And you know why that is? Because we're two halves made whole. 

#supernatural #spn #Sam Winchester #lucifer #lucifer spn #lucifer supernatural #spnedit #supernaturaledit #mmc #* #can't beat the true vessel thing sorry gadreel

[quietwingsinthesky]

A version of Hallucifer where his constant insistence that Sam is still in the Cage isn’t perceived as a threat but as a comfort.

Saying stuff like, “Don’t worry, Sam. All this is just set dressing, just a game we’re playing. The only parts that are real are you and me.” and Sam hearing this and thinking without meaning to, thank you, thank you, everything still makes sense, I’m still where I’m supposed to be. But deep down he knows he did get out and that’s what’s killing him.

#At some point in the Cage. Sam stopped wanting to be free. #Stockholm syndrome or true vessel shit or whatever reason you want #I think that should be his reality and I think it should be agonizing to him that he got out and lucifer didn’t #to the point where believing he’s still there is the only way he can keep going some days #he and lucifer are just playing a game where Sam is back on earth and hunting with his brother #and any minute now Lucifer’s going to get bored and they’ll move onto something else #any minute now #Sam waiting for the curtain to be pulled aside and getting increasingly distressed the longer it doesn’t. #the harder it gets to still convince himself he’s in the Cage #which is the point at which hallucifer’s demeanor changes from reassuring him they’re both still trapped #to taunting Sam and telling him the only way back is to kill himself #and so Sam’s main source of comfort inevitably cracks open to reveal the ugly truth #that Sam is free. Lucifer was never here. this is happening. and it is terrible that he cannot be grateful for freedom. #spn #supernatural #samifer #Lucifer/Sam #Sam winchester #Lucifer spn