#katara discourse

[sleepyfriend]

Katara and Azula are two sides of the same coin, they’re complex but so important to me AND OF COURSE THE STORY.

#katara avatar the last airbender #katara discourse #azula deserved better #atla katara #atla azula #princess azula #katara and azula #azula and katara #azula and ursa #atla #atla comics #avatar the last airbender comics #atla discourse #ITS JUST MY OPINION

[count-horror-xx]

I actually like zutara as a concept, it's a ship I'll casually read fics about them sometimes.

it's just zutara fans are fucking delusional. Stop treating their Canon partners as abusive when it's the complete opposite. Especially Mai.

Aang isn't a misogynistic monk that forces katara to be his house wife. If he did katara would leave him in a millisecond. He actually cares so much about her. It's actually Canon HE cooks and accommodates his cultural food with kataras.

And Mai was literally ready to die for zuko. Even when they just broke up, she was ready to get electrocuted by azula if it wasn't for ty lee chi blocking azula.

I'm aware it seems like she doesn't care about him the way she's quiet and aloof but I understand where she was coming as someone who somewhat has similar tendencies of being a little awkward when trying to show emotions and it coming off as being uncaring or rude. But at the end of the day she really shows she loves him, so people saying she's abusive is completely inaccurate to her character.

Her bottling up her emotions was taught by her parents as she explains in the beach episode somewhat where she had to worry about her father's reputation all the the time, forcing her to be quiet as a form of behaving.

Personally I think her quiet personality fits with Zukos loud ass, especially giving him a reality check during the beach episode calling him out for being angry all the time and how he needs to keep it in check.

Zutara is a nice ship I agree but you can ship it without mischaracterizing tf out of thier Canon partners.

#prince zuko #atla zuko #fire lord zuko #zuko #katara atla #katara avatar #katara #kataang #katara of the southern water tribe #mai atla #mai avatar #atla maiko #maiko #pro maiko #avatar aang #avatar: the last airbender #avatar #avatar the last airbender #atla #character analysis #shipping discourse

[theweeklydiscourse]

No, actually. It is not “shaming Katara’s femininity” or her “maternal traits” to critique the ways in which her character was relegated to a the passive role of the Avatar’s grieving widow and largely ignored by the narrative post-ATLA. Oh my god, we are not “degrading” Katara by pointing out the sexist implications of how her character was handled and to suggest such a thing is just so…infuriating and very revealing of the underlying sexism in the fandom.

No thoughts, just people endlessly glorifying Katara’s maternal tendencies without bothering to question or investigate the adverse effects of her parentification. Apparently anyone who criticizes the writing of Katara’s character is just denigrating “traditional femininity” and THEY are the true misogynists! Not the male writers or viewers who consistently minimize Katara’s significance to the narrative and mock fans who ship her with anyone other than Aang.

Not at all, really we should just accept the conditions of the narrative uncritically and never question the biases of the creators. How dare we criticize them and point out the underlying sexism in their writing?

#pro katara #atla discourse #it’s making me insane and you would not believe the fury a certain TikTok evoked from me #these people HATE HATE HATE to see any logic in the critiques provided by zutara fans because they are so blinded by their desire to consume #the show completely uncritically. #Good lord some of these fans are SO misogynistic and yet we’re the ones who get called *problematic* for shipping zutara #avatar the last airbender #avatar zuko #avatar #zutara #pro zutara #atla critical #atla #atla netflix

[rayes-rain]

One thing I don't get in anti-kataang discourse is when people say that the plot point of them getting together at the end came out of nowhere because katara only treated aang like her brother/child. I'm sorry, I must have hallucinated katara's realization of aang as a potential future husband in the fortune teller, her being flustered about kissing him in the cave of two lovers, the looks they share in the headband and their dance, the multiple cheek kisses she gives him of her own accord throughout the series, the blushing, the way she holds him, the way she leans into the kiss he gives her on the day of black sun.

You get my point. I think too often people equate characters' onscreen chemistry, which is pretty subjective, to actual plot set-up. The romance between aang and katara was well set-up from episode 1 by the writers, but some viewers do not think they have good chemistry and so are surprised by the fact that she chooses him in the end instead of their fave.

Your mileage my vary on aang and katara's romantic chemistry, but you really can't deny that the set-ups were there. Something something the death of media literacy.

#i'm not taaging this zvtara or anything i don't actually want major discourse over this #atla #avatar the last airbender #kataang #aang #katara

[azulaaaaaaah]

rating every zuko ship (cause that mf is shipped with everyone)

CLICKBAIT!!! this isn’t every zuko ship just the main ones i immediately lied lol. idk if any of these are hot takes or not but please don’t crucify me (might do a part 2 where it’s azula ships)

Jinko - Zuko/Jin

6/10

awwww it’s cute (for what it is)

and what it is was one singular date that was never really mentioned again

i really appreciate how jin is so unperturbed by zuko’s awkward angst and just genuinely likes him

howevvver she’s kinda one dimensional (as she’s only in like an episode) and i just don’t see this going anywhere longterm

less a ship, more a vehicle for zuko’s character development lol

Jetko- Zuko/Jet

3/10

jet being zuko’s first gay encounter is canon in my eyes

don’t ship them however cause i hate jet with the fire of a thousands suns

similar issues to jin as well where their interactions are extremely limited so personally have no clue how this could be a long term thing

Maiko- Zuko/Mai

5/10

i am so impartial on this ship it’s not even funny.

i get that it’s canon. i get that izumi looks suspiciously like mai so it’s endgame. i just don’t see HOW?? it feels as if the writers realised zutara was becoming popular and were like ‘OH SHIT WE GOTTA DEFUSE THIS SITUATION SOMEHOW’

their relationship is basically just mai being a cold asshole and zuko being an angry asshole and there’s no change or development between EITHER OF THEM

however when they’re cute they’re cute !!!!

‘i love zuko more than i fear you’ COLDEST LINE EVER

however again it’s like - you had a crush on him as a kid. he was BANISHED. you dated for like a month as teens. you argued the whole time. he left again- and shortly after you saved him from prison, but then you were imprisoned partly due to his actions. you get back together again, he becomes the ruler of a country, and then you’re surprised it’s isolating him/making him even more of an asshole???

on the other hand we as a society need to admit that zuko is weirdly possessive of her (ig that’s a positive if ur a booktok romance girlie but im not). like if i was mai i wouldn’t put up with that toxic shit either

at the end of the day, i honestly don’t care that they’re canon lol- but i think they’d probably best as a bitchy best friend duo

Zukaang - Zuko/Aang

1/10

not round here partner. not round here

my first issue is the age gap is objectively extremely weird if examined in canon. leaving it at that

i get that this is grumpy x sunshine in a way the other ships aren’t to me- but we’ve only ever seen these two characters interact with each other when there’s (again) A WEIRD AGE GAP

they are bros in the least homosexual way possible

the cherry on top of this situation is: isn’t aang the reincarnation of his great grandpa? isn’t that giving slight, uh, inc*st vibes??? imagine if people shipped korra and jinora isn’t that just WEIRD???

Zuki - Zuko/Suki

8/10

is this my most controversial take ???

i am a sucker for bodyguard x royal family dynamics guys

and the fact that this is girlboss x malewife is even BETTER

suki seems the most competent at handling his pissy ass in a way the other people on this list aren’t

like she’s real. she’s not sugarcoating his situation, BUT SHES COMPASSIONATE !!

i don’t like throuples typically but suzukki is even eliter than this, which removes the whole ‘going against the bro code’ element that arises from them being together

also i feel like if you haven’t read the comics this doesnt make sense At All so please do

-2 points for the lack of tangible reason to ship them lol

Zutara - Zuko/Katara

7.5/10

okay this one makes the most logistical sense to me within canon (solely examined as a zuko ship not overall)

it really seems as if they were gonna make this canon and swerved circa book 2

LIKE CMONNNN OG ENEMIES TO LOVERS WHERE THE GUY ACTUALLY HAS CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT AND ISN’T JUST EVIL? FIRE X WATER? ITS INTRIGUING

something about this makes me uncomfortable though. (despite the age gap which again a little weird)

something about katara potentially becoming the fire lady is so… icky. she’s a waterbender. the fire nation tried to systematically erase her kind. her mother is killed by the fire nation because they think she’s a waterbender. and katara…. what, becomes part of the royal family? it just seems wrong, and like something she wouldn’t be into

also i feel like their arguments would be a little too NUCLEAR. there’s like, a 50% chance of divorce

she deserves a better ending than that is all i’m saying

to paraphrase the hunger games: katara has plenty of fire herself. SHE NEEDS THAT DANDELION IN THE SPRING MAN

(i’m a kataang truther)

Zukka - Zuko/Sokka

9/10

my zuko related otp!!!

bros to lovers guys, where zuko falls first but sokka falls HARDER !!!

ik this will never be canon and im happy with that. i know there’s not even a whisper of romance between them in the show, but i just think it’s c u t e .

sokka (like suki) is very likely to call zuko out on his shit, but less likely to lose his own shit (like katara)

this in my heart of hearts is 10/10 however is still problematic in a similar way to zutara

his mother is killed by the fire nation and he (presumably) becomes consort ?

however though, i would still say it’s not as ruhroh as zutara bc firstly, sokka isn’t a waterbender, and secondly, ‘consort’ is a lot more open to interpretation than i think fire lady is. in my opinion a consort ≠ a fire lady, just like irl a consort ≠ a queen. it kinda means he can still be ambassador to the southern water tribe/a leader of his own people, while just so happening to be married to the fire lord.

overall i can’t help but stan a friends to lover ship cmOn now

#atla #avatar the last airbender #zutara #zukka #maiko #jetko #jinko #zukaang #zuki #zuko #aang #katara #suki #sokka #shipping discourse #shitpost #kataang

[comradekatara]

"bitter work" is such an iconic episode. toph and katara debate the merits of various teaching methods when your student is a gifted kid who has heretofore never struggled to grasp a concept. iroh expresses a desire to pulverize his fourteen year old niece. sokka and zuko bargain with god.

#O SMITE ME MIGHTY SMITER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #zuko's best moment ever tbh. it makes me laugh so hard im SORRY #toph #katara #aang #iroh #azula #sokka #zuko #i wouldve said 'abused' or 'mentally ill' fourteen year old niece but i dont wanna get discourse in my notes forever. #he did call her crazy though. so!

[sokkastyles]

politically speaking the best choice for Zuko is to marry someone from the water tribe. Plus emotionally its the best. Does anyone honestly think zuko will be able to relate to anyone from his nation anymore? Especially they high society class?

It is bizarre to me when antis try to say that it would be politically beneficial for Zuko to marry within his own nation. Or any of the gaang, for that matter. I don't care if it would be difficult, I don't care if the fire nation wouldn't "accept' it. Zuko has already upset the social order by becoming fire lord and ending the war. The entire gaang have already taken part in shaking the status quo to its core. They can't then suddenly decide to take a politically conservative approach, especially if they actually want things to change. There is no going back from here, certainly not for Zuko, but also not for Katara, or any of them. Katara never intended to stay in her own little corner of the world. That was her character from the very beginning. If anyone thinks Katara would choose what is easy or most socially acceptable, they don't know Katara.

#katara #zuko #zutara #the discourse

[vidduality]

It's disturbing how much rage bait ONE line said by a young teenage girl in an EW cover story with so much other content can generate. Dozens and dozens and dozens of click bait articles, rage video analyses, and SO many angry meta posts with people practically ready to tear Katara's actress apart with their bare hands. All for having the audacity to say that she found some of Sokka's more brazenly sexist lines "iffy" in the OG cartoon. She implied it wouldn't translate as well in a live action and that they had toned it down, and you'd think she announced the Avatar is going to be a warmonger the way the internet's turned on her.

This week's fandom discourse has been about as low key and rational as S1 Zuko being offered some calming Jasmine tea...

#avatar the last airbender #atla netflix #avatar netflix #atla live action #avatar #katara #sokka #zuko #avatar live action #natla #atla #yall need some calming tea #the cartoon is still right there for you to watch #I'm rewatching it now #it's still great :) #and i hope the new show will be too #ALL of this sexism “discourse” #came from a single quote by a young girl #quit falling for rage bait

[sad-endings-suck]

something something fire and water are opposites… something about air and earth being opposites… something about moon and sun, and an earthbender appearing to an airbender in a place of strong spiritual connection… something or such about waterbending techniques being used to create new unique firebending maneuvers… oh yes something about age and maturity in relation to peers… sometimes in regards to push and pull… or maybe equal and opposite action and reaction and how balance in all things (especially the elements) is always needed and as such is a primary reason for the avatar’s existence… mmhhh yes yes

#atla #zutara #taang #avatar the last airbender #zuko #katara #aang #toph #toph beifong #fire lord zuko #avatar aang #master katara #aang x toph #zuko x katara #atla netflix #avatar netflix #atla meta #atla discourse #atla analysis #atla live action #atla live action tv show

[ihavea-natural-curiosity]

“Zukos the best character!” “No, Katara is!!” “it’s literally sokka!” “azula is the best!!!”

SHUT UP.

Appa is the best. bam. all character discourse solved. go home.

#atla #appa #atla discourse #zuko #sokka #katara #azula

[fanfic-lover-girl]

Demonization of the Enemies to Lovers Trope

I find it very disingenuous when Zutara antis compare or lump Zutara with problematic ships like Reylo and Dramione. Anyone who makes a claim like this should have not any opinions about ATLA respected. Because they obviously did not watch the show.

There are major differences that set Zutara apart from Reylo and Dramione.

Zutara vs Dramione - Friendship

Zuko and Katara reconciled and became very close friends in season 3. Draco and Hermione disliked each other in canon and the best of their relationship was civility. Dramione could have served the same narrative function as Zutara by representing union after war but Dramione lacked the canon building blocks that Zutara had.

Zutara vs Reylo - Redemption

Zuko has a powerful redemption arc. But even when Zuko was an antagonist, he was never truly evil. And Zuko's actions towards Katara (eg tying her to a tree) were not completely monstrous. Zuko and Katara never crossed any boundaries while enemies. When Katara starts showing compassion to Zuko, it is in season 2 when Zuko is no longer an active threat (eg. offering to heal Iroh and their emotional moment in the catacombs). Compare this to Reylo where there are all these romantic undertones while Reylo and Kylo are still enemies. Kylo also has a worse record than Zuko: murdering his dad, oppressing countless people, killing civilians, and maiming people. And Rey for some reason, before Kylo does anything to deserve it, begins to feel sorry for him. Unlike Zuko, we don't see Kylo truly atone for what he did to Rey. Not to mention the abusive elements in their relationship such as Kylo calling Rey worthless.

The point is that people need to stop demonizing enemies to lovers ships. And stop lumping healthy ships like Zutara with more toxic ships like Dramione and Reylo. It's not a fair comparison.

#anti reylo #anti dramione #zutara #enemies to lovers #enemies to friends to lovers #shipping discourse #star wars sequel trilogy #atla #harry potter series #atla zuko #atla katara #draco malfoy #hermione granger #kylo ren #rey #anti bad faith zutara antis #zutara supremacy

[sleepyfriend]

i get emotional thinking about this certain scene between aang and katara in one of the very first episodes, in the episode katara claims she hasn’t gone penguin sledding since she was a kid and aang responds with “you still are a kid!” that was probably the first time since her mother’s passing that katara genuinely had time to be a kid and even then katara’s village was untrusting of aang and the fun he brought, so some moments were bittersweet. (despite the village’s concerns being more than justified of course)

because of her mother’s passing and her father’s absence due to the war, both her and sokka didn’t really have the time to be kids. but when aang stumbles upon them that changes. (more so they stumble upon aang hehe)

yes, they go on so many adventures with serious results but in between those moments, good or bad. they enjoy each other’s company. they laugh and play, that was something that katara and sokka didn’t have before aang. they had duties that restricted them of childhood innocence, whether aang intends to do this or not, he makes room for laughter, the silliness he brings out of his friends makes me so happy.

#avatar the last airbender #the last airbender #kataang #katara #avatar aang #atla gaang #atla sokka #atla katara #atla aang #atla zuko #atla toph #atla suki #aang gang #i love them your honor #gaang discourse #aang appreciation #aang atla #aang discourse #katara discourse #sokka discourse #had this in my drafts #katara and sokka #aang and sokka

[azulas-daddy-kink]

Can people just say they like Zutara better and move on? You know, instead of bashing Kataang in main tags, harassing "rival" shippers, and/or inventing all these weird ass reasons as to why the entire fandom should hate Katara and Aang together?

If I have to see one more take claiming that Katara/Aang is misogynistic, abusive, pedo, or a self-insert ship, I'm going to tear my fucking hair out.

AtLA ended over 15 years ago. Kataang is canon. For fucks sake, get over it.

#atla #the last airbender #discourse #shipping #anti zutara #pro kataang #kataang #aang x katara #atla fandom problems #fandumb

[theweeklydiscourse]

It’s really funny how much people misremember certain aspects of ATLA and then proclaim to the internet stuff that either never happened or is extremely distorted with absolute certainty. For example, today I saw a person claiming that whole point of Katara’s character arc was unlearning the parentified behaviours she developed in wake of her mother’s death. That a huge part of Katara’s arc was a confrontation of how that trauma fundamentally shaped her maternal tendencies.

The thing is though…WE the audience, can recognize that the parentification Katara experienced was something that was really straining for her, but the TEXT doesn’t. The audience (or at least certain parts of the audience) can identify that her maternal tendencies were indicative of a responsibility that she took on far too young and subjected her to unnecessary pressure and stress. There are flashes of recognition maybe, but for the most part, the show doesn’t actually confront the negative impact that Katara’s maternal role had on her.

Katara never truly unlearns the maternal behaviours that put so much pressure on her because the text doesn’t see it as a bad thing. Arguably, the text doesn’t see much of a problem with the emotional labour Katara takes on and how that labour goes unreciprocated for the most part (particularly from her canon love interest). We see some reflections, but it’s not enough to support a reading of the text where that element is actually extremely obvious and a prominent point in her character arc.

We’re not the ones “watching the show with our eyes closed”, I think you’re just misremembering the canon progression of Katara’s arc to avoid confronting a real issue in the text.

#Katara #pro katara #avatar the last airbender #atla fandom critical #atla discourse #the gaang #character analysis #atla fandom discourse #zutara #atla critical #anti bryke

[sokkalore]

#one of my favorite atla moments tbh. #but also the origin of some of the most annoying anti zukka discourse omg .. #on twitter at least #atla #sokka #katara #toph

[hanadoesstuffwrong]

We all know and love zutara's Hades & Persephone parallels. Complimentary opposites constantly being misunderstood as a captor/victim- badboy/goodgirl- edgy/sunshine trope despite significant nuances; being torn between familial and spousal devotion; ruling over their kingdom as equally powerful forces of nature... Good good stuff.

But may I humbly suggest that we have been woefully neglecting the sheer dramatic potential of taang x Eros & Psyche.

#lonely rich girl reduced to the sum of her physical traits x flighty boy of god-like power c'mon ppl #i feel there is something to be said here #the emphasis on sight and knowing somebody by their soul instead of their face?? #turns out there's some animosity between H&P and E&P fans that I was not aware of until today #like yeah there's lots of bad takes on H&P floating around and E&P deserves more attention #but there are literally two cakes ppl #stop pitting two of the only functional marriages in this mythos against eachother! #it's literally mythology there is no 'canon' stop being annoying #zutara #taang #my posts #atla #other thought im chewing on is which mythological love story works for sukka?? #Ariadne and Dionysus maybe?? #OOOOOr Atalanta and Hippomenes?!?! #was this an excuse to get out my thoughts on greek mythology discourse? maybe #eros and psyche has been my favourite greek myth for nearly the last decade and i need ppl to know #fr context i highly recommend the overly sarcastic productions videos on yt! #zuko x katara #toph x aang #in this house we love Hades & Persephone and Eros & Psyche equally thank you very much