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dozyrogue · 18 days
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Thinking about qtubbo and i have to say my favorite thing no matter how morbid it is that getting sunny didn't fix everything for him
Like in dsmp he got Michael and the fandom kinda made it seem he has no right to be sad anymore.
But qtubbo actually got worse and it was so heartbreaking to see, He loves sunny with all his heart his 120 nickname list alone shows how much he cares. But he got so much worse after sunny to the point he literally made a deal that was basically a one way ticket to death.
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poltergeist-coffee · 8 months
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Something has been on my mind for quite a time: "imagine if someone adopted a code, would be funny" and then I remembered this when Codeflippa appeared again, like, yeah she's a code but she's anti federation (yeah, I know they tried to kill the eggs, they killed some of them) but Codeflippa has just been there, y'know, if someone say that the code are evil I think Slime should use the "I can fix her" card
I think Slime deserved to have his daughter back just because of that song (flippaflippaflippaflippaflippafliplaflippaflippaflippaflippa I MISS YOUUU)
Tubbo just wanted to live in a romance book, and poor Fred having a existencial crisis
And yeah, Walter Bob is like a guardian angel to the Brazilians, to me, Walter Bob is already brazilian
He got all the requeriments: kidnapped and used by the federation and most importantly, we love him ❤️
*Fingers cracking noise*
There's just so many slangs on Brazil
Really, sometimes not even us understand some slangs from others states
Well, there's one I find funny that is very used on... The north I guess? I know they say it a lot on Pará, but here where I live is used too, but not as they do
Égua
Is the femine of horse(cavalo) and can be use as a cuss alone(but is not really a swear word) or like "filho de uma égua"
But as I said égua is used a lot in Pará and Maranhão, it can be used to express astonishment(?) And surprise
Is kinda like "ôxe"(can also be written as ôxi), Wich is one of the most popular expressions on the north east, but it gives also the feeling of confusion
There is also "oxente"(oxe is actually a abreviation of this word)
There's this phrase "pode ir tirando o cavalinho* da chuva" Wich can be roughly translated to "you can take the (little*) horse out of the rain"
*cavalinho is the diminutive of cavalo, so you can also say "little horse" but I've put this on translator because my English stopped working for a moment lol
Is a popular expression on Brazil, Wich basically means to give up on a illusion or on expecting something will happen, like, to not wait for a determined event to happen
Like in something as "if you think I will clean your room, you can take your little horse out of the rain"
I've done little research and apparently English has a similar expression "don't hold your breath"
This turned out to be longer than I expected D:
But it was fun , I hope I managed to explain clearly, but if something turned out a bit confused you can ask me, I will be more than happy to explain it:)
- 🍽️
qslime: I can fix her (about codeflippa and also his bitch wife, qmariana)
i wonder if codeflippa is one of the codes who have fought etoiles because i think it would be fun if we let codeflippa spar with etoiles kjanvjkasd he needs enrichment!! let him with with her!! <- this will not happen
i think we should get all the dead eggs back but that's just me...... i want jaiden and roier to have bobby back im sorry they deserve to have him back and to play with him again :"((
Reading about you describing/explaining Brazilian slang is so cool!! I feel like every language that isn't English has so much more interesting slang and variations for swear words kajsndvjkas English doesn't have a wide range of them
You talking about the feminine word for horse reminds me of the word "bitch" because it's actually the word used to describe a female dog but it's more often used as a swear word in english :0
yes!! "don't hold your breath" is exactly like the expression you described. it's like "don't expect something to happen for a really long time". That's so cool!!! i think your version of the expression, it more fun in a way lol
Since you taught me something I will also teach you something from my language (Chinese)!! I think it's very funny but in Chinese 'egg' is often used an an insult for some reason. i don't know why but a lot of like... swears/insults contain the character for egg in it. Like the equivalent of calling someone a bad apple in english is to call them 坏蛋 (pronounced like huàidàn) which means stupid/bad egg.
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atherix · 2 years
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Very easily actually! I have a soft spot for your silly fluffy and angsty ideas :D
And thank you for the go ahead, i shall hug him so hard because we all know he needs it <33 ...characters hurting is also the way i show them love, so.... this is wonderful 🥲 still painful as hell, but wonderful. You know what, THERE'S A HAPPY ENDING, SO ITS OK RIGHT? ....Right? And we love a V to △ poly ship <33
Oh god, atherix you're making me FEEL things. AND ITS NOT EVEN WRITTEN. As in im already sitting at my desk with emotional damage, trying not to be loud because my family will be concerned :D
And just- Mumbo loosing almost everything over the course of a few days... Grian thinking he's missed his chance, because Scars there, and mumbo is HAPPY.... Scar thinking that mumbo already has a family, and now that grian is here, (even if only for Jrum and Grum) he's just holding mumbo back... AUGH. And the way history repeats itself in different ways... same mistakes made over and over again... except this time there's hope, even if they can't see it...
By the way, that last paragraph about the kids? WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO ME- The wanting for something you've never had... The wishing for what could have been... The regret and disappointment and HURT- and then looking back and realizing you've just made things 100x worse, and no one's doing anything to fix it- so what are you going to do? BAM parent trap again, but this time to fix everything you broke... and now with twice the help >:D
And whats Scar and Tubbo's story i wonder? 🤔 so many possibilities... 👀
-🍂autumn anon🍂
jgfdjkgjkfdgfjkd <3 thank you for putting up with me 🍂Autumn Anon🍂 <3
He is gonna need it so much <3 Haha I mean what better way to show your love than to put them through the absolute worst time and make that happy ending all the sweeter <3 LOOK. LOOK I have yet to be able to bring myself to write a bad ending fic <3 ...... Yet..... BUT YEAH- absolutely <3<3
I am very good at throwing out ideas and watching people squirm HEHEHE. Emotional damage is my coffee. It gets me up in the morning <3
The MISUNDERSTANDINGS the BAD COMMUNICATION the HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF.... but this time will be different bc the kids realize what they've done and Mumbo and Grian talk and Mumbo won't just let Scar leave like he let Grian leave this man will shine his spine up just long enough to talk this shit out <3 They're gonna fix this as best a wet cat man, an elf with low self esteem and an emotionally constipated birdman can-
BECAUSE EMOTIONAL DAMAGE THAT'S WHY <3 Yesss the kids just being like "oh we fucked up. We fucked up, brother. We gotta fix this-" even tho it is definitely NOT the children's responsibility to fix the adults' issues and everything is happening because these adults are terrible at communicating and LET it happen but ya know, kids will be kids and blame themselves anyway-
Hehehehe :3 I will. Tuck that close to my chest and Hold It.
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respiteresponse · 1 year
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when i first started watching dream it was because i started watching his manhunts, but i knew about the server. after watching all the manhunts i was so in love with him and his friends and his energy, but i hesitated to get into the server even though i had known about its existence well before id watched dream. i was scared to start watching because i knew i would get attached, i knew that kind of storytelling was like drugs to me, and i still remember the first stream i ever caught of anyone on the server, when i finally gave in and took a peek at what goes on outside of youtube. it was ranboo, just mining and talking to tubbo in call. i played minecraft alongside them and i felt so happy. every time i caught tommy live, or i watched old clips, or dream had a discord podcast, or new lore was hinted or teased, i was so so happy. every new going live notif with DSMP or (LORE) in the title made my heart race. i was so right. im so horribly horribly attached to these people and the characters they created and the friendships theyve forged and the stories theyve told and the smiles they shared and the tears they shed. i dont regret getting attached at all, as embarrassing as it might seem outside looking in, in the hardest time of my life when i was my sickest and saddest the dreamsmp was there to distract me, cheer me up, take me away from my rough reality even just for a little while. im going to miss it so bad, im so glad i got to live through even just a little bit of this era. im so glad.
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jjkyaoi · 3 years
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ASSUMPTIONS ABT YOUR FAVORTIE DSMP!CHARACTER
(yes, the majority of this is projecting, what about it)
C!WILBUR: lmaoooo i can smell the mental illness from a mile away, luv. you half were rooting for villbur because you thought it was hot, but also just ‘cause you wanted to see the explosions, and honestly, valid. you’re probably unintentionally the parent of your friends, and you’re also probably high strung and tense all the fucking time, calm down. you want to protect ghostbur w/ your life, but you severely miss the old wilbur as well— not a day goes by where you don’t think abt the pogtopia arc. “independence or death” is constantly playing in your head. the end of the finale arc— wilbur’s death scarred you more than anything else in this fucking smp, but to cope you make shitposts about it through your tears. please  get therapy 
C!TOMMY: you have ADHD.  half the time you’re just crying abt how tommy deserves better, and you want to thrown down w/ c!dream more than you’ve wanted to throw down w/ any character, ever. valid. you stan c!tommy ‘cause you relate to him and his experiences, but also because he acts a lot  like you and you don’t even fucking realize it. you’re probably the loudest in your friend group and constantly try to bring up the groups spirit, but also you’re extremely insecure and sensitive, and it takea a lot to bring your self esteem up— same, but jesus christ. you’re probably obsessed w/ wilbur and tommy’s relationship more than you should be, and you’d do anything for them to just interact again.
C!TUBBO: you’ve definitely went through a bad friendship breakup in the past, or just generally half trust issues. did i mention that you’re the most nervous person to ever walk the earth? you’re the type of person who pushes people away whenever you’re too busy w/ something / gets overstressed w/ something you think you need  to do that you just end up unintentionally ruining friendships. also, you’re shit at texting, i can just smell it. you lowkey felt annoyed at how c!tubbo wass treated in the beginning of l’manberg, and you’re a dadschlatt stan— daddy issues who? you’re ignoring the festival. but, you’re also torn between wanting captainsparkles to be his dad-- infinite dads.
C!NIKI: half the time you’re the sweetest person in the world, but also holy shit  im afraid of you. you’re the friend that’s either protected by your entire friend group, or you’re the big sibling who’s protecting everyone. you’re quiet most of the time, preferring to be on your own, but you’re surprisingly really fucking good in an argument? you’re constantly upset that niki isn’t getting more time to development as a character, and schlatt’s character frustrated you as much as it did niki— you’d do anything to fucking thrown down w/ him.  i feel like people go to you for advice and you’re the therapist friend, but you do not  know how to handle your own emotions. mood
C!FUNDY: lmaoooo, alright kinnie. honestly, beforehand you probably thought that wilbur and fundy’s relationship was cute before you realized how awful it was, and mood. you want nothing more than good things for this boy, but he constantly gets slapped around and you’re constantly in tears. you’re in denial of what happened at the wedding— fundywastaken is canon in your mind. ,,,,are y’all,,, are y’all okay? i feel like y’all are lowkey intimidating to talk to, but in reality you’re just a socially awkward nerd who thrives  off info dumping on your interests but you’re so used to being overlooked that you’re hesitant. though, you’re definitely petty and are always ready to prove your point in an argument— stubborn as fucking hell, alright. how’s those daddy issues?
C!SCHLATT: i’m torn between laughing at you, and genuinely being concerned for your mental health. you’re definitely the fucking cryptid of the friend group; the one that’s mostly silent but whenever you do speak it’s some wack fucking shit, what do you mean. you’re a lesbian. you’re just—you’re a fucking lesbian. you cover up how you feel w/ a tough bravado but you’re really not, and the slightest things— even if they’re jokes, hurt you deeply and you keep them inside you for years. a lot of repressed rage. you have essays in your drafts about how schlatt wasn’t that bad of a person, and i want them right fucking now. you also miss wilbur and schlatt’s dynamic
C!QUACKITY: hello simp. you’re torn between simping for him, or feeling extreme gender envy. you’re definitely fucking funny— you’re the comedian friend of the group, but you don’t even have to try. did i mention a raging bisexual? you’re a blue gay, through and through. you’re extremely stubborn and set in your opinions, and you’re always willing to go on an hour long debate w/ someone. i feel like you’re extremely protective of your friends as well. you’re in love w/ quackity’s arc rn and you’re frustrated that nobody’s really paying attention to it, because snapping after everything he’s been through is what he deserves in your mind. you have abandonment issues and are unheathily attached to his dynamic w/ karl
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the-redeemed-anon · 3 years
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Another day another post including c!Wilbur in big bad manipulators list with c!Dream and c!Quackity and i go "huh, is he tho?"
Like genuienly i would want to know, bc to me at least all like c!Wilburs "attempts at manipulation" were like.. blandly obvious and not that well executed?
Not enough to secure him the position of a Big Bad Manipulator Who had an Overarching Big Plan Before This Specific Interaction and Knows What He's Doing.
Bc most ppl who call Wilbur a manipulator point to this quote here
“Tommy, literally have you not noticed? Everyone who’s claiming to be on our side, they’re lying to us! Tubbo?! He’s lying to you man! He would drop us at the second he realises we’re not in the lead anymore!”
But like... this is like clearly c!Wilbur having a paranoid breakdown and unloading all the stress fear and worries that got progressively worse during pogtopia to c!Tommy. c!Tommy def didn't have tools to handle that and like shoudnt be expexted to but its not manipulative?? Of c!Wilbur?? At all??
Like the only two instances that i remember that like can be called manipulative is maybe this??
“It’s nothing, it’s nothing important. I just wanted to say that- I think you can come back from what you’ve said, you know. I’m just saying now, there is a chance that you could be President, you know, you could be- you could definitely get an executive power in the remains of L’Manberg. You could definitely be a leader of that, I have no issue with that. But, you need to understand that you’re gonna have to get on my good side, and I, you know.”
And the recent stone collection thing with c!tommy?
Im asking bc i can be blantly missing something but? I dont think i am?
- Music Anon!
Music Anon, you're back with another interesting topic!
Okay so I may have another perspective than most on the "Then let's be the bad guys" scene because, as I've said before, I have paranoid thoughts, so, for me, it's much much easier to put myself in Wilbur's shoes in that moment.
So, as far as I remember in Pogtopia, I would coin Wilbur's behaviour as persuasive. He was trying to persuade Tommy to his side, something that Tommy was free to ignore and not accept. Manipulation and persuasion are very tricky to tell apart, because it's two things that are very similar, and you can't tell them apart that easily. You know how all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares? Same thing here. All manipulation is persuasive, but not all persuasion is manipulative. There is a fine line between the two.
I googled it before I wanted to respond to this ask, but from what I gathered, you can tell persuasion from manipulation by these factors: coercion, withholding of truth and intention.
I want to compare Wilbur's case with our most blatant example of manipulation, Dream. Especially since it's centered on the same character, Tommy:
Coercion. The Dictionary defines the term "coercion" as "the use of force to persuade someone to do something that they are unwilling to do". I do not remember any moment in Pogtopia where Tommy was forced to act against what he wanted to do. The way he spoke to Tommy was always open to Tommy rejecting his ideas, which happened quite a lot. It's another thing if later, Tommy, of his own volition, agreed to what Wilbur wanted, like blowing up Manberg at the Festival.
Dream, on the other hand, we see it a lot in Exile. The threats to Tommy's life. The hitting. He was forcing Tommy to stay in Logsted and give up his gear. That's one box ticked for Dream, zero for Wilbur so far.
Withholding of truth. Here I am as stumped as you are. I want someone, who thinks that the "Then let's be the bad guys" scene is manipulative, to tell me where Wilbur is withholding the truth. The President line? this one? [“Tommyinnit, you’re scared that people are gonna think differently of you. Tommy, when I said you’re never gonna be president, you gotta understand, that wasn’t a challenge, that’s true. You’re never gonna be president, Tommy. And I can hear it in your voice, you’re trying sound like you know what you’re doing, so that you can prove me wrong. Tommy, none of us know what we’re doing. We’re fucked, we were fucked the minute we were thrown out.” - (Wilbur’s video Am I the Villain?: 19:39)] or these? [“That guy Tubbo? You know? We love Tubbo… but he’s not on our side, is he? Let’s be honest. We act like he is, like, everyone’s always how like, oh it’s crazy how everyone’s against Schlatt.” - (Wilbur’s who are you go away: 1:12:57, 8th Oct)], [“Everyone’s always saying how like, oh it’s crazy how everyone’s against Schlatt. No one’s against Schlatt. Everyone’s pulling the biggest ruse on us. Literally, they’ve got us all by the fucking scruff of our necks.” - (Wilbur’s video Am I the Villain?: 17:59)], [“Tubbo’s like, ‘I’ll be your spy!’. And then we’ve got like Fundy who’s like saying to everyone’s twitch chats that he’s gonna revolt against us. And you’ve got Eret giving us fucking potatoes, that say fucking ‘I’m gonna be friends with you’. It’s bullshit! It’s all bullshit!” - (Wilbur’s video Am I the Villain?: 18:09)] Honestly someone tell me where Wilbur is withholding the truth here. I do not see it. He's just stating his opinion. I am someone who was around in Season 1, I watched Wilbur's POV only and I swear I thought too that Tubbo was a double agent for Manberg. I was sure of it. This is just Wilbur laying out his reasons to be paranoid and things he considers as true and his own opinions on matters. Opinions are not lies or truths. Telling Tommy that he will never be President, in his opinion, isn't a lie or the truth. It's just an opinion.
Meanwhile over in Dream's camp... Dream did withhold the truth. He lied about Tubbo's Compass, he lied about the Invitations, all of this he did to get Tommy to his lowest, to make him think that he is his only friend. This is the second box ticked for Dream, still none for Wilbur.
Intention. Here I need to talk about what paranoia is. Paranoia, to me, is a way of thinking fueled by fear. Wilbur's paranoia started because of the Final Control Room. Eret's betrayal deeply affected him, we can see it in quotes like this: [“Anyone caught in the crossfire is caught in the crossfire. That’s how it goes, you know? Eret especially, he is the most clear, the most clear cut traitor of them all. He was a traitor from the very get go. I have no, I have no remorse offing Eret.” - (Wilbur’s who are you go away: 1:41:22, 8th Oct)] Wilbur's paranoia started from a betrayal, therefore, Wilbur's paranoia is centered on people backstabbing him. Of course he would start spiraling into a rant about how everyone is out to get him. Especially after believing his own son betrayed him. So, why tell that to Tommy? Simple, really. I personally do it, too: he was reaching out for support. When I have doubt about my train of thought, I go to someone I trust, and they help me by walking me through it, to figure out if my thinking was rational or if it was paranoia. I think this is what he was trying to do with Tommy, because he trusted Tommy, but also it was an attempt of keeping him safe. I have talked before in my Eight analysis that Wilbur is a naturally protective person. I think Wilbur was attempting in part to shield Tommy from another shock from betrayal, attempt which didn't get across to Tommy. Tommy was and is a teenager and even back then he had his own worries. He just didn't have the resources to help Wilbur, or even understand what he was going through, and he can't be blamed, and while the scene may have been scary for him, I do not think Wilbur had malicious intent with it.
Meanwhile, Dream had malicious intent. He did what he did in an attempt to isolate Tommy, to make him feel alone, so he could swoop in and mold him into thinking he was his friend. This ticks off the last box, Dream was manipulating Tommy, while Wilbur was trying to be persuasive.
While I agree that Wilbur is dipping into manipulative territory with the stone bit, I would say that doesn't make him stand in the line-up of manipulators alongside Dream or Quackity. I do agree however that he is a big persuader and his power lies in how he uses words to convince others to agree with him and join him on a cause (as discussed above, this is not necessarily manipulation). I hope this analysis helped out!
As always, the quotes are from @kateis-cakeis' masterlist of Ghostbur/Wilbur quotes. It’s a goldmine of a resource for analyzing Wilbur and I highly encourage you to check it out.
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jackassbroadcast · 3 years
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Hello im a Tommy enthusiast who watched that one stream where he monologued to foolish for like hafe an hour bc i heard it was a cool stream or wtv to realize how much amazing character moments it had that barly anyone in this damn fandom is talking about so ill fucking do it
(Only after finishing this i realized i wrote 1.7k words LOL OOPS)
If u dont know what in talking about its this stream (apologies for linking a clips channel the actual vod on foolish's channel is deleted by now)
Also heads up /rp /dsmp every time i refer to someone here by name is their character unless stated otherwise bc writing c! Before every name Is tiring LOL
Also // suicidal idealization , death mentions
The conversation starts off with foolish and tommy mining for Wilbur, and foolish questions how simply mining will solve the problem to which Tommy reponds with "they dont get solved, do they? It just ends uo with some madman screaming 'Hes solved it!' And now look at him." And how he wants to "prevent the problem before it goes outta hand" something that clearly references Wilbur and his destruction of lmanburg, which paired with him collecting stone for Wilbur as the way to stop said problems he believes if he does anything he can for Wilbur and support him by his side enough this time around, that he wont do anything like thay again, which as im writing this makes be realize by doing that we learn hes blaming himself for what happened to Wilbur in November 16th and pogtopia and a whole, by not being enough for Wilbur in his mind.
The conversation continues, foolish off hand asks why would tommy want to stop Wilbur? Weren't they friends at some point? To which tommy leads foolish to lmanburg and tells him the story of the nation (how it was him and Wilbur's nation, how they made it to espace dream's iron fist and how they held an election "which puts your life on the line, which is good- if you're confident but- perhaps we were too confident", how they lost)
Tommy: "You know the phrase: 'treat other how you wanna be treated', foolish? People dont ever listen to it. Wilbur- he decided he wanted to be treated poorly so he treated everyone around him poorly "
This Tommy quote, to me at least, so so amazingly strong in conveying how understanding he is? To the world around him. Like-
I have not seen one person bring this quote up, and yet its (at least to me) shows such growth and understanding in Tommy i saw little to nothing like it in other streams. It shows he understands, he knew Wilbur didnt change just because, he knows he was struggling, that he thought everyone around him were againt him, were going to abandon him the first chance theyll get- and he thought he deserved it. So he, as a last way to defend himself against that, hurt them first, abandoned them first, so theyll see how much of a 'bad' person he was and take him out- and tommy saw right through that, possibly understanding it more after exile.
This next qoute was talked about much more but i still wanna bring it up
Foolish: "Do you believe in second chances?"
Tommy: "Oh, no I don't really believe that its not really a thing for me foolish its just that-" *sigh* "- i believe everyone has a little bit of good in then and this is not about giving him a second chance or a third chance- its not about *chances* foolish. Its about not giving up on the poeple you care about. "
Which. I mean. I dont know how healthy that mindset is, but comign from Tommy it makes so much sense.
Techno, tubbo, eret, sapnap. These are all people Tommy used to be extremely close to, had either a war or had been betrayed by them, and yet still found it in his heart that he still cares for them, with all of these, they did horrendous things, that hurt tommy physically and mentally, while also not being once or twice, but a contentious thing, but while tommy is to this day still effected by their actions he still found it in himself to forgive, because he knows he fucked up too, a lot, and he knoes they learned from their mistakes just as he had (except c!techno FUCKKK c!techno mf doesnt learn SHITTT) and he knows, when the time comes he knows hed want the people he hurt to forgive him too. (And he wants Wilbur to do the same)
Next qoute i will cut to a couple parts because its really so good and full of character i had to bro
Foolish: "Do you consider yourself to be the good guy or the bad guy?"
Tommy: "It really depends who you ask, isn't it? Yknow? If you asked dream he'd say im *his little toy that he plays with* you know? It doesnt.."
This part really stunned me when i first heard it because, and correct me If im wrong, but i dont think tommy ever acknowledged how dream sees him, and  how right he has his viewpoint too. Just the fact tommy is so *painfully* aware of how dream doesnt even see him as a person anymore but just a toy to mess around with for a while than just throw it away when it get too boring really hurt me. Someone give this kid a hug
(Continued) Tommy: "...foolish, honestly? I used to consider myself 'the good guy', you know? The fuckin'- second in command! But these past- these past like six months or so, foolish, everything got so much harder than it was before. Because before it was just us vs bad guys, it was all so clear! But- its not been 'clear' for so long, right? It wasn't; 'these are the bad guys! These are the good guys!' Now it's : 'he's doing this and it makes him a bit worse-' i mean, it all got so complicated, so- i don't know. Depends who you ask."
He says this, in response to foolish asking if hes a good guy- but its awfully similar to if Wilbur asked him if they were the bad guys. Because foolish just asked about him, and yet in his answer tommy made sure to keep using the words "us, he's, guys" as if hes not really talking about himself, as if hes explaining how Wilbur was wrong. Which he was. Also something interesting ive noticed, he says "the last 6 months or so", which indicated that with Wilbur he knew better to follow his word and leadership- with Wilbur he was always on the right side but when he lost him he felt much more lost alone, and couldn't trust himself enough to be on the "right side" .
Foolish: "I dont know, it all seems strange because just from, you know- hearing from others and, you know, learing a little bit, its seems like you've been the hero, you've been the villain, the conqueror, the savior, and, even now, i have no idea what you exactly are."
Tommy: "that's up to you to decide, isn't it? Im just- *uh*  i dont know. These days, foolish, I'm a little weaker than i used to be"
Foolish couldn't be more right with what he said, another example of this we see where a character acknowledges tommy never sticks to one thing us Charlie when calling him "tommy fron nowhere" which shows more how he cant stick to one thing, during the course of him on the server he had been friends and enemy with nearly everyone, been on pretty much all sides, and while never really intentionally, being in the center of conflict. When foolish says he doesnt know who tommy is anymroe at this point and all Tommy says in return is that "hes a little weaker than he used to be" does to show he misses who he used to be, with lmanburg, with Wilbur, when he knew who he was, now he doesn't know who he is anymore, but still so desperately want to be more demonstrated by the lines coming rigth after that one:
(Continued) Tommy: "..I'm not- I'm now who i want to be, but-"
Foolish: "Being honest with you, Tommy, that's the same case for me as well."
Tommy: "...heres the thing, foolish, unlike you i dont really have a choice. I have to try and be who i want to be, because if i dont, very bad things are gonna happen in this server. And now that Wilbur's back i can't- quite frankly *no one* can risk that. So i dont really have a choice."
Tommy want's to change- he wants to be better than he is now, to be closer to who he used to be, no matter how impossible that might be, but he also sees it as an immediate thing, he wants to change now, or asap, which is why hes collecting stone for Wilbur in the first place- old him would've done that with ease just because Wilbur asked and he wants to have that back so badly, asap. The way he talked about this reminded me of when he tried getting over his trauma stream before he went in the prison to kill dream: he knew he wasnt the best but he tried getting over that asap to go kill dream asap. He didnt wanna take the long road of years of healing and instead thought he could get over it just like that, and that experience clearly didnt teach him anything because now hes trying to slide back to the relationship he and Wilbur used to have and ignoring the drastic changes they both had plus the bad moments that were the reason they feel out in the first place, or maybe he knows, but at this point, after everything that happened to him and the server, he doesnt care anymore? He knows hes not the same he was and he'll never be the same, because thats not how it works, but his mentor, president, big brother is back after so long tommy felt so lost and alone he thinks maybe, this time around, with Wilbur, he could try and be better again.
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darlington-v · 3 years
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A Sympathetic Character is Better than a Morally Just Character
part of this was drafted from a month or so ago but i’ve been thinking about it so i’m going to finish it now and post it on this blog instead of the og ranboocore blog haha! 
i would really wish this fandom would understand though that, 
a morally good, righteous, upstanding character =/= a GOOD character like yes. they are morally good. but that does not inherently make them the better written, more satisfying character. like i enjoy characters like dream, ranboo, technoblade, wilbur, quackity, and sam (my favorites especially are dream and ranboo) because they have depth. they are multifaceted and have internal conflict and clear character flaws. 
sam is actually a good example of a character being righteous and that being a flaw. BECAUSE of his values, tommy died on his hands. because he adheres to laws, he has internal conflict as the world has shown him that maybe he was wrong. maybe it is not good to be so righteous. 
i see a lot of posts like condemning characters for their actions and i get so utterly confused because thats the point. like yes. they did the bad thing. yes. you’re right that is bad. but like... can you analyze it? can you break down the character motivations, that characters reasoning behind it, is it relatable? is it sympathetic? is it compelling to you? 
if it’s not why are you here. because these ARE sympathetic characters. they make mistakes and it is clear that the mistakes they made ARE INDEED MISTAKES. because that is human. and we can relate.  “dreams not sympathetic, he’s evil” immmmm SORRY are you telling me that if you were repeatedly told that you were an awful person, that you were toxic, that you were the bad one EVEN THOUGH YOU WEREN’T, you wouldn’t get frustrated? you wouldn’t get upset and maybe act drastically? you wouldn’t lash out? 
“i wouldn’t manipulate someone and blow up a country.” no shit! i wouldn’t either! but i would get angry! i would get mad and upset and i might say something mean or out of line or like make a mistake and start a fight. the beauty of writing is that we can exaggerate things to extremes. this raises the stakes and makes the actions so much more meaningful, but because we at our core can relate to similar actions and the line of logic, it makes it moving. it makes it sympathetic and relatable. like? no obviously, i don’t condone abuse or like manipulating someone. but i can understand and relate to the idea of “the ends justify the means.” which is the type of character dream is. in his head, the ends will justify the means. 
so i need you to understand that a SYMPATHETIC character is better than JUST a MORALLY RIGHT character. ESPECIALLY in the dream smp. this is the narrative where EVERYONE is their OWN MAIN CHARACTER. and the main character NEEDS to be sympathetic. the villain doesn’t necessarily, though a sympathetic villain is always so much better than a flat, 2D villain, but the protagonist NEEDS to be sympathetic. and by sympathetic i mean like... can i follow their line of logic? can i understand this character? like maybe i personally wouldn’t do the things they’ve done, but can i understand why they’ve done what they have? am i rooting for this character because i can relate and sympathize with them?
this is SO important in writing. it GIVES characters depth. it makes them feel real, and not just like... a 2d caricature of something. thats part of WHY i love ranboos character and WHY he is very obviously a fan favorite. ranboo, hands down, undoubtedly, PUTS THE WORK IN. his character is deeply flawed and for that extremely relatable. ranboo makes SURE that there is subtext there for you to understand it. the way his character rationalizes things is such a good testament to him providing subtext, but it’s definitely not the ONLY way he provides subtext. he doesn’t TELL you that his character has anxiety (in lore i mean out of lore he’s said it plenty of times) BUT HE SHOWS THAT. 
his character catastrophizes, his character is pessimistic at times, his character is worried pretty frequently, he displays signs of paranoia among like... so many other characteristics that are clear results of anxiety or just SHOW his anxiety. he doesn’t just SAY that flat out, but he shows it in the way he talks, the way he thinks, his actions. like YES. yes ranboo IS a hypocrite but you can understand WHY he is a hypocrite. it’s because, ironically enough, his character VALUES being morally correct. ranboos morals are important to himself and he CANNOT conceptualize being the morally wrong one. and that’s SHOWN in the way he rationalizes his acts of hypocrisy. he excuses himself because he doesn’t want to be the one thats wrong, and it’s clear that that is a character flaw of his. 
it’s intended that you pick up that ranboo is wrong, but he is excusing himself and trying to rationalize that he’s not the wrong one because thats one of his character motivations. whenever ranboo monologues and its him rationalizing, it is clearly him CONVINCING himself that he hasn’t done anything bad. he KNOWS he has done the wrong thing, but he DOESN’T WANT TO ADMIT IT.
his character HAS depth. his character feels REAL.
there are plenty of characters you can break down in this way, and i know people are aware of it because i’ve seen posts about how tubbo provides subtext through largely his actions rather than monologuing (which is a pretty good way to get across inner thought in this medium). i think that ranboo’s character is amongst the ones display depth the best because he very clearly does dedicate himself to his character and his narrative. he provides subtext and small mannerisms and goes through a monologue fairly realistically i feel where he’s working himself through a situation.
there’s also sam, who i’m VERY excited for more lore from, because he’s had a fall from grace. this is such an extraordinarily human thing that i think so many people can relate to and i think it makes him such a driving character. like no, i’m not gonna torture someone, but because i can and have fallen from grace before, i’m inherently intrigued by his story. how did he get here? and what was he thinking and where did the lines begin to break down for him? also he’s just kinda ahhah hah hah whus poppin babeyyyyyy but thats irrelevant
other characters i can think of off the top of my head are quackity, technoblade, wilbur, and tubbo but im sure there are other streamers im missing simply because i don’t watch them enough? i feel like niki’s character probably has depth it’s just that i don’t follow her character arc enough, so i wouldn’t actually know.
either way though, these characters all have depth because they’ve dealt with their issues in interesting, pressing, and ultimately human ways to their barest degrees because like i said the beauty of writing is that we can exaggerate these feelings to their extremes, but... ultimately we still experience these feelings.
like no i wouldnt do any of the shit these characters have done, but i can follow their line of reasoning and i can relate deeply to all of these issues.
and i think that’s what we really should be discussing rather than morality on the matter of like “good character” or “bad character” because i see that happen so frequently. like, in enjoying a character you’re not justifying their actions and if someone assumes that then... they should really go back to english class. that’s not how human nature works, and it’s not how literature works. 
a good character is someone i can relate to and understand. including a villain. 
TLDR; a sympathetic character is far more enjoyable and better than a morally just character. sympathetic characters are undeniably good characters because they are inherently characters you root for or simply just enjoy more. morally just characters, while they can be sympathetic, aren’t inherently good because being morally just isn’t inherently relatable. a good character is one that has depth.
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Why c!Tubbo is the most tragic character within the Dream SMP
@tannin-tele asked for it and I’m making it a separate post
TW: Breif talk of manipulation, possible suicide, and death.
I want to preface this by saying I’m newer than most to the fandom so I may miss/leave out some moments but I’m caught up enough to confidently have my own opinion like everyone else. ALSO IM ONLY TALKING ABOUT CHARACTERS HERE OBVIOUSLY!!!
I’m also aware Tubbo is just as morally gray as everyone else- I missed the stream the other day but I know Tubbo was really going after Ranboo while trying to “help” him get his memories back. But does anyone expect any character to come out of this smp sparkling and perfect? Honestly all things considered, Tubbo is doing better than a lot of them.
All of my points will take place starting from the creation of L’manburg up to present day. Tubbo has always been Tommy’s best friend- the sidekick, the deuteragonist, the support system. He is just as capable, intelligent, and strong as anyone else in the server, and while he may waver when it comes to being opinionated, he is more cognizant and genuinely caring than most. He’s a team player always, looking out for the group. He played his part in the revolution, worked to still benefit [L’]Manburg under the Schlatt administration, tried to make his country happy as president, and even wants to create peace for whoever needs it in Snowchester. He doesn’t care about power or discs like the others. He cares about making the world better and keeping people happy.
Wilbur didn’t trust Tubbo with much of anything, despite Tubbo being loyal from the start and extremely talented. The only time he did trust Tubbo with anything was when Tubbo chose to risk everything by being a spy (after Schaltt intentionally separated him from the og L’manburg trio). Tubbo threw himself under the bus constantly for Pogtopia yet Wilbur and the others still were suspicious of him.
Schlatt was, well, Schlatt. He took Tubbo away and every day became a moral dilemma for him- how can he both benefit the wellbeing of everyone in Manburg while also supporting Pogtopia? Not to mention Schlatt made him decorate his own execution.
An execution where he was betrayed by everyone. Schlatt tricked him, Quackity watched, the audience watched, Wilbur was too concerned with the button, Technoblade shot him twice despite them being on the same side (he claims he had to because of peer pressure but he literally turned around and killed everyone anyways), and Tommy only came for him after he was killed.
He only became president to act as a scapegoat for Wilbur’s actions- if L’manburg was going to survive the first bombing, everything would fall on Tubbo’s shoulders. In fact, everything that happened in the SMP that was orchestrated by feuding adults somehow got pinned onto Tubbo (and tommy but at least no one expected constant perfection from Tommy). Tubbo was making constant personal sacrifices to try and satisfy everyone in the long run.
Quackity, who betrayed him before, used Tubbo’s good nature and naivety to carry out his own plots (the butcher army, anyone?).
Ranboo, while maybe forgetting in the moment he shouldn’t conspire with the enemies, withheld information from Tubbo and lied to his face about true loyalty. Ranboo made Tubbo so happy towards the end of his presidency, he really trusted him when there was no one else.
He was forced by external forces (the audience, L’manburg, Dream) to exile his best friend- the one person who was always by his side, never using/betraying him like the others. He gave up his support system simply because it meant the rest of the country would be happy. And Dream went out of his way to make sure Tubbo couldn’t have any connection with Tommy, up until the point where Tubbo thought he lost his best friend and their last moments together were Tubbo exiling him. Imagine taking the full blame for your best friend losing everything and then possibly taking his own life.
Tubbo had to watch his best friend supposedly then return with the enemy and a newfound affinity for violence. Tommy blamed Tubbo like everyone else, and wouldn’t listen to Tubbo’s side of the story. Tubbo watched the only other person as loyal to L’manburg as he was steal, destroy, and kill for the sake of his discs. And Tubbo felt even more alone.
Don’t even get me started on “the discs were more important to me than you ever were”.
Dream even canonically admitted to manipulating Tubbo. Dream’s manipulation of Tubbo was so well hidden under layers of trust that Tubbo desperately craved but he knew every insult that would stick when the festival came around. And we all know how Tubbo internalized and took the blame for everything people blamed him off.
That’s his fatal flaw- he was so loyal to L’manburg as a country, including its population, that in trying to make it better, he absorbed all of the problems. He’s not as bad as Schlatt or Wilbur because he tried to remain level headed and made decisions to benefit the majority. Even if those decisions backfired because of the constantly shifting world around them.
Also, Jack Manifold is LITERALLY manipulating Tubbo so that he can get close enough to Tommy to kill him, because he wants to take away the only thing Tubbo has left.
Tubbo already had everything else taken from him- his friends, his home, his earned title, but that’s not enough. This child has been fighting nonstop but the world will continue to step on him, unsatisfied until he has absolutely nothing left.
(Originally written 1/11/21)
Tl:dr: Tubbo just wants to be there for everyone but became a scapegoat for everyone’s issues, treated like an expendable accessory for war.
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gawdie · 3 years
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/rp /dsmp
ok so now that the stream is over i can actually put my thoughts into coherent sentences or whatever
first of all:
TAG YOUR FUCKING CRITICISM POSTS ISTFG I DO NOT WANT TO SEE UR CRITICISM ON THE CHARACTER TAG!!!!
ok now onto actual thoughts:
techno about tommys death:people saying they're upset that techno and philza dont care abt tommys death is confusing to me. did they forget that the two of them ended things with tommy on very bad terms?? like yea no shit techno didn't go into a deep depressing monologue, to techno tommy is just some annoying kid who stole his shit and then left him behind in enemy lines. why would he be upset over him dying? on the other hand even if he does care we already know how techno is with his emotions and that he keeps them to himself, so while i doubt that this is the case, techno could very much care about tommys death and simply doesn't want to show it.
the snowchester visit: the fact that people thought that techno would just show up for the first time and just kill tubbo for NO REASON makes me so fuckin upset. it would make no sense for him to do that?? even when he first arrived he asked tubbo about one thing: oppression. he doesn't give a fuck about what tubbo actually does unless its threatening equality on the server and causing others harm. he layed off quite a bit literally as soon as tubbo told him that the place was pretty much just an anarchocomunist village. sure yea, he called him sus cuz of the nukes but like cmon, with the history of the server, can you really blame him. techno isnt just mindless violence and has always had a reason for his violence, whether you think its justified or not is up to you, but you cant claim he hasn't. please for the love of fuck just think about his actions in an unbiased way.
to the people calling the syndicate a form of government, calling techno its leader, and talking about power dynamics n shit: for the love of fuck, read some anarchist theory
i literally do not give a fuck about the lore and am just here for the funny content, but seeing people misjudge his character so bad just makes me irritated. i thought of this as i was writing it since i just wanna get it out there rn, so sorry if its not good, i might make an actual character analysis later.
im not saying that everything that techno did up unt this point is justified, but i do think that his character is greatly miss interpreted.
sorry if any of this sounded rude lmfao
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itsflowerdomethings · 3 years
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lets talk about tommys lore stream
as always, spoilers ahead!! 
1. “the inbetween tubbo.... the inbetween is aboslutely fucked up.” i am paraphrasing, but i 100% believe he was talking about KARLS inbetween.  we know the inbetween isn’t a safe place, somewhat. we saw what it was doing to karl. gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss moment. no wonder tommy would be fucked up. 
what does this mean? well...... maybe the wilbur he saw, wasn’t WILBUR. karl saw figments of himself, different reincarnations if you will. i think the wilbur tommy saw was his wilbur, but i wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t. 
also, tommy may have been lulled into a false sense of security there like how karl was, but he might’ve broken out of it sooner. or maybe he was always constantly in the deserialization mindset. perhaps tommy left the books for karl? or maybe their paths didn’t cross. all im saying for sure that i fully believe in, is that this will play a bigger role. 
2. tommy wants to break into the prison. i think for sure this will go BADLY. 
but i want to bring up big q’s lore stream. quackity’s lore streams have had some time jumping. and at the end of the last one, we heard sirens. its imporant to note that sirens go off if something happens with the prison
possibly it could be tommy breaking in? and if it is, does big q already know how to revive people, or is he going to protect dream? and in that case... we may see a tommy v quackity, tommy and tubbo v quackity and sam, and there are honestly so many different scenarios. either way, its all leading up.
3. tommy and tubbo. now before i go on with what i am going to say, i need to stress that i understand why tommy is doing what he is doing and in the sense of his character arc it is valid and makes sense, and i love it so much from a character analyzation point of view. 
but i think it is also incredibly unfair to tubbo. he was growing, and healing. he wanted a break from all the conflict, he had the nukes as a just in case. as soon as tommy came back, he got thrown back in. his nukes went missing, now he has to gather materials for tommys plan. a plan that could very well cost him his last canon life. and if dream is dead, there is no way to get him back. we don’t exactly know how many canon lives tommy has either. was he brought back with all three? or only 1? 
i think this plan is incredibly under thought, and there are so many factors which make it an objectively bad plan. it makes sense for tommy’s character. he’s used to conflict, resorting to conflict. he can’t heal, he’s not letting himself. he’s trying to heal on his own and it’s just biting him in the butt. i want him to heal, properly. 
thats all the thoughts i have on the situation, but PLEASE reply with your own and reblog!! i love to hear others thoughts as long as you’re respectful. 
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So you wanna rant about Fundy?
hello dot thank u for making me able to rely on you for always giving me the floor for fundy brainrot
tw: suicide, self-deprecation, death, nightmares
this is gonna be incoherent bc im about to sleep but here's a bulleted list of shit that's been running rampant in my head:
something about fundy being the only one to sign the las nevadas contract will always make me suspicious of how quackity views fundy. because if fundy's main asset is loyalty, he wouldn't have to worry about fundy being bound by las nevadas rules… unless he suspects that there's a risk of fundy betraying las nevadas which is honestly?? a good possibility
as much as we know wilbur and fundy, there's also like… so much we don't know. we've seen the negatives of their relationship a lot, but i feel like there's a bigger picture we're missing here. more backstory, more pre-l'manbergian revolutionary war stuff that can give more depth to their relationship, you know?
not fundy-centric but fundy-adjacent: GURL WHAT THE FUCK IS THE LAS NEVADAS TIMELINE? like, tommy dies, sam feels guilty, but when do the las nevadas members join? when are all the slime-related lore scenes set? when do the horsemen appear in this timeline? if the horsemen existed pre-las nevadas episode 3, THEN WHO ARE THESE ALLIES OF QUACKITY? *shakes quackity* GIVE ME ANSWERS DUCK MAN
(or maybe i'll rewatch the episodes and try piecing this together myself)
thinking about the “fundy lost a second canon life during doomsday preparations” theory because it makes SENSE. fundy's breakdown felt little sudden, right? well, if he went to the guardian farm and supposedly commit suicide, maybe he did it in a way to test how many people actually would search for him. and when there was none… that's when he gets mad. IT JUST MAKES SENSE AND GIVES MORE DEPTH TO FUNDY'S MOTIVATION OF “doing everything because he has nothing left to lose” YOU KNOW
fundy depends his self-worth on how much he doesn't fuck up a country (he's mentioned how he feels like l'manberg's downfall was his fault), so if… if las nevadas was potentially blown up by wilbur and ranboo, fundy could just. possibly end up worse because he would blame himself
if fundy's memory is genuinely bad, quackity invoking what memories fundy should remember might like. you know, be kind of dangerous because fundy could possibly be a blank slate rn, and all quackity is doing is molding fundy into the guy he wants him to be
BUT ALSO— quackity giving fundy all the time he needs to “find himself” will always be so interesting to me! balances out quackity prioritizing his personal goals AND his genuine care for others. like yes, quackity will take any opportunity he can with fundy—which is why he pushes—but there's something about how quackity still gives him so, so much time to decide on his decision that makes me just. be intrigued by quackity. and las nevadas in general!
haha anyway are we gonna talk about the endstone in fundy's first dream or what
i've also been thinking about schlatt? and the possibility that quackity is making deals with schlatt to do more supernatural deeds? like i feel like fundy's dreams HAVE to be caused by something. somewhat lowkey considering that quackity himself made it into fundy's dreams via schlatt's help, who knows! it'd make sense because if a future fundy was able to contact past fundy, he'd need the ability to, and it feels like this ability is moreso granted to people than just… spontaneous
when fundy and wilbur meet up, i expect it to go like this: wilbur will be genuinely proud of fundy achievement-wise. fundy joined las nevadas, a place that wilbur admires for its competitiveness and how its founded on philosophies he can relate to. fundy, on the other hand, will accept the compliments at first before realizing that wilbur is only appreciating him for what he's done, rather than appreciate him in general. i do think fundy would act more impulsively on this and lash out rather than communicate his actual needs, so then wilbur would part ways with him. i feel like this scenario wouldn't paint a clear victor which would then make both wilbur and fundy fans equally satisfied with it.
fundy deserves more streams paralleling the ocean, ocean wildlife, or any of the like. ik cc!fundy is afraid of the ocean but fundy's character feels so integated with fish symbolisms that i just. need it
so haha tubbo and fundy are both las nevadas workers, and they're both dreamon hunters. not saying dreamon hunters are gonna return, but it adds on to the idea that las nevadas is connected to the supernatural
if fundy died in the guardian farm during doomsday preparations, there's… a small chance that he got killed by slime/surrounded by slime, so do you think… charlie knows what actually happened that day?
speaking of charlie knowing, i do think charlie has the ability to spy on fundy now, which is a juicy bit of lore because it implies that there is a *need* for them to spy on fundy. for there to be a need to spy on fundy, fundy might have to either betray las nevadas, or maybe have a moment where he opens up about his dreams to someone. charlie would then relay this info to quackity
fundy's relationship with schlatt on the wiki is labelled “negative” when i wholeheartedly disagree and think that fundy still genuinely admires schlatt and views him more positively than he does with wilbur sooo
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your fics bring plenty of comfort they are so very cool and well done. anytime i have to describe the way you write to a friend i try to say its like canon but Better in the sense that its like. all of the moments you wouldnt witness on stream, seeing every character fully rounded out and the sort of friendships and communication between them that you never see in canon because everyone is a hot mess. genuinely SO good, and the way with wedding bells and ATYFIL that you like... none of the chapters feel like cliffhangers or like there's more to be expected and it sucks to not have it? its less like a means to an end and more just the continuous build through chapters that makes both fics feel whole even though they aren't technically finished yet. with fics for beeduo and clingyduo its so easy to feel like one of the characters is being based/included because of their relationship with the other, but they always feel whole the way you write them?? your beeduo fics are tubbo centric AND ranboo centric AND do every aspect of both characters AND their relationship justice, same for clingyduo. did NOT mean to turn this into an essay im so sorry i just love your writing </333
Anon this is literally one of the highest compliments I have ever received fr... Ok I'm sorry I started rambling in response but I'm putting it under a cut <3
Literally the thing I put the most effort into when writing is characterization, like I'll go back through after I'm done and tweak anything that doesn't feel quite right to me, but also! I kind of don't vibe with c!beeduo fics that like NEVER mention Tommy not even once yk. Like if it's a one shot Okay I Guess but Tommy is a big part of Tubbo's life and it feels weird that he would just like never think or talk about him even if they aren't on good terms when the fic takes place. Cmon guys that's his brother ykwim. It's good to hear that Im doing a decent job with Ranboo tho, I really don't feel like I do cranboo justice but I certainly do try :)
Also lol I don't really like ending on cliffhangers bcos I'd feel guilty if I didn't have the next chapter out for a while (that isn't to say that None of the chapters will ever end cliffhanger-ish but I try to avoid it?) It's fine when other ppl do it tho I don't mind that I just like it better for each chapter of both fics to feel sort of Self Contained, like if you really wanted to you could read Just that chapter and not feel like you're missing out yk? :)
Wedding Bells specifically is so cathartic tho I literally wrote it bc it's exactly what I would want to read if I was having a bad day or hating canon and just wanted to block it all out for a bit :) When I'm done w it I honestly might make another work set in that universe for just one shots that will sporadically update whenever I feel like it just bc I like writing for it so much lmao. It's just fun and sweet and I like it a lot and I'm glad you like it as well! <3
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Please tell me everything you know about c!niki xD
THIS IS GONNA BE HELLA LONG SO HERE YOU GO
so niki first joined l'manberg - contrary to popular belief - AFTER the revolution, along w jack manifold. she joined bc she was good friends with wilbur and tommy. she opened up a bakery after consulting her diary/chat, and it ended up being pretty successful. not too succesful, but successful. during the elections, she decided to support her friend (childhood friend? the timeline is fucked up bc of c!fundy existing lbr) and together she and fundy made COCONUT2020. she didn't think she'd win, only really did it for fun, and supported wilbur even though she didn't join his party then her best friend and friend got exiled, and so she was understandably distraught and angry schlatt's reign was one of her low points. not her lowest, but pretty damn low if i do say so myself. she was tormented during this time by schlatt himself, and he made fun of her for her relationship with wilbur, called her things like a "wrench", he taxed her (to the point where she had to run away!), and he imprisoned her. it doesn't help that her childhood(?) friend betrayed her burnt down the flag that she had made for l'manberg (its so sad actually, listen to it) she had a birthday party that while i didnt watch ive heard that wilbur threatened to blow up l'manberg so yeah then she saw her younger brother-like figure get executed onstage, then almost got executed herself, when wilbur managed to get her away then it is DEVASTATING as she finally finds out abt how things have been going in pogtopia (especially for the viewers who only watched niki's pov). she had thought that they had a plan, that they were working things out, when really they haven't even got a semblance of a plan the pit fight happens, and then after she goes up to listen to one of tommy's discs with tubbo and tommy themselves during the manberg v pogtopia war, she fights for pogtopia and watches schlatt die and the nation become wilbur's again. then, of course, comes the part that all old school c!niki fans will remember... during the celebration they had just after tubbo gained presidency, she accidentally uncovered a small part of the wall and saw tnt. she went still, then covered it up, on the assumption that wilbur wouldn't blow it up BOY was she wrong her home gets destroyed (watch this and skip forwards until niki's pov), and she doesnt find out that wilbur dies until much, much later. to honour him, she starts wearing his coat. everything goes fine for a little while, and she yknow dates puffy (*SOBS* im unbiased im unbiased.... *sob*), and then doesnt find out abt tommy's exile until much later AFTER that. she doesnt really get in on the lore much during the inbetween period of tommy's exile and doomsday except for her city being built more. then, during doomsday, she gets angry at tommy and says that he couldn't just walk in there and assume everyone would be on his side, she also shouts at ranboo abt sides and stuff. later, she apologizes to ranboo and says that if ranboo fights for l'manberg, she will too. ranboo ends up doing nothing except watching everything unfold, and so niki does the same, except for one thing. she burns down the l'mantree, also known as her canonical lowest point. after that, she hears ghostbur speaking and has a panic attack, trying to reassure herself that "he's gone, he's gone, he's gone" and because shes too flooded w memories, she ends up blowing up her bakery. afterwards, however, she goes down into her secret city and isolates herself from everybody except for jack, who she plots to kill tommy with. she takes tommy to a nuclear test site and almost manages to kill him, but JUST misses him, somehow after this attempt, she scurries back to her little hole like a cryptid and (this is, in my opinion, her lowest point) isolates herself even MORE. she has contact with exactly 1 person during this whole period of four-five canonical(??) months, and it results in her mental health getting worse. technoblade visits her at the start of this, offering her a position as an anarchist to which she gives him a "maybe, after
i kill tommy" she gets night terrors, and keeps herself in a literal CELL so that she doesnt go anywhere when she sleepwalks, also punches the walls whenever she wakes up from a nightmare, which is often. eventually tho, she accepts techno's offer and joins the syndicate, naming herself as nemesis as a reference to her past self she manages to heal a substantial amount, finally having: a) a group that lets her speak (which is SO important for her, its actually the key to her entire arc) and b) socialization! however this takes a big turn, when she hears that wilbur's back she tries to play it off, then goes the l'manhole or l'crater, reminisces about wilbur betraying her (may i note the rocketduo where she looks pointedly at manifoldland and says "and GOD you deserved so much better dgsayufasyufgasuy) she grabs wilbur's diamonds, some of the first ever items she got in the SMP, then hides them in the wall, as a sign of her closing off from wilbur
PHHOOOOOOEEY THAT WAS A LONG ONE
okay so imma go with this writing cause its fun. so, you asked a few questions in response to the ask you gave me!! so lets go 1) why does she feel betrayed by wilbur? because she was one of the first people she met (canonically) on the SMP. he promised her that it would be a land of peace, prosperity, but she started loving it BECAUSE of wilbur. case and point: when wilbur asks whether she's loyal to l'manberg, she goes "yes, i'm loyal to you, wil." "no, no, not to me- to l'manberg" she quite literally wore his coat around the SMP as a symbol of her friendship and dedication towards him, because they were honestly the best of friends, and she THOUGHT she knew it. points out) and its the way she's learnt to do things. also remember: c!Niki is an unreliable narrator, that's the whole point of her character. it's a response to trauma (as @tubboblr pointed out) you're also probably wondering why she burnt down the l'mantree. and it's not because she "finally realized that l'manberg was bad" it was actually really simple: she wanted to be heard. she had been beaten down and talked over SO much (aka the BASIS for her arc) that she's so desperate to be heard she'll take desperate measures. another reason is because she finally loses hope in l'manberg. she loved it, loves it, but she just lost hope in it. she never hated it. she LOVED it, with all her heart. she just didnt believe it had any hope to be the place she had thought it was. if you have any other questions, let me know!!
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Hallo, i hope you are alright and that my ask aren’t annoying but I wanted to ask do you have any c!puffy headcannons? —🤡
YOURE NOT ANNOYING AT ALL !!! NEVER THINK THAT ILU VERY MUCH. MUAH /p
as for c!puffy headcanons, i am not the best person to ever organize their thoughts properly but ill try my best >:’D
ahaha. this got. super complex and way too long and more of like an introspective study to puffy now instead of harmless fun headcanons so, uh. under read more <3 (also reminder this is all /rp and /dsmp)
* i like to think that she has a hero complex, but its a bit different since she never really sees herself as an ‘important’ part of the story, not the main character but a support one, hence ‘im fine with being the side character’ or how she’s said she doesnt care what happens to her and would gladly sacrifice(?) herself if there werent other people she had to protect. girl u need therapy urself <3
* though very open with how she feels and never afraid to say when someone/something is upsetting her, ‘opening up’ is still a whole mountain climb for her, apparently. like, she’d rant about the egg, get mad at the eggpire, let off some steam by committing arson or exploding stuff, she’ll rarely ever talk about how much the stuff that upset her actually HURT her. does that make sense? LIKE, she’ll lash out, she’ll get mad, she’ll take NO SHIT thrown at her face, but to show the kinda vulnerability of dealing with that? to cry about it talk about those feelings with someone? I think she’d rather eat her own foot lol
* adding onto the thing above, she doesnt necessarily actually realize this about herself. less of actively doing it and rather growing... used to the ‘cycle of violence’ in the smp as they call it. and the fact that rarely have people really asked, that no one’s actually available for that, w her losing her closest friends, bad and ant, sam being busy w the warden stuff... and niki. yeah. there’s foolish, but i doubt she’d ever see venting to someone she considers her son appealing
* also. puffy is just sometimes... really bad at conveying sadness. i think she’s a rare crier. id go as far to say that shes even more emotionally constipated than dream, lol (but maybe not while the guy’s in his prison arc) and that she’d be the type of person to tell you its okay to cry but beat herself up over something if she let a tear slip in a heated moment
* speaking of sadness. she’ll only ever actually Be Sad if she’s alone or with someone she doesnt necessarily care the opinions of. yknow how she mourned for tommy and blamed herself? those dialogue bits? yeah, those are only times shed actually be vulnerable
* puffy’s go to response to the egg and how its fucked up her relationship w her friends is pure fury. but, going off of her line about ‘failing bad and ant’ i like to think that she probably hates herself the most about it. THAT IS A STRONG WORD LOL BUT YEAH. she yells and curses and gets mad, but sometimes i wonder if the words she had spat before were more directed to herself
* THIS GIRL HAS SELF-IDENTITY PROBLEMS. CAN WE GET A HELL YEAH FOR THAT CHAT? outside of having no goddamn clue about where she came from, how she got here and who she even is, scrounging up a role for herself in a server with a war on the background and traumatized kids got her resignedly coerced into thinking that she is only a Parent. Only good enough when she’s actually doing something Useful for people. SO. when she finds that ship? of having a crew and having a curse? OF FINDING OUT SHE MIGHT HAVE/ HAVE HAD A MOM THATS WAITING FOR HER?  the sense of control she has on herself is absolutely crushed. shattered, and she’s left to pick up the pieces w no one to talk abt it with <3
* adding onto the above, it’s why the line ‘I’m supposed to be mama puffy. me.’ hurts me so much! so yes! please cry with me :D
* also to add more on the fact that she thinks she’s only worth something when she’s being useful, puffy literally contemplated leaving the server, thinking that it wouldnt matter leaving since no one really needs her anyway, since she’s failed so many people. bad and ant, tommy, dream. shes said how foolish can take care of himself on how tubbo and ranboo have each other, how she and niki have drifted so far away from each that it might as well be a break up.
HOOOOOOOOOO OBOY . anon youve really given me the perfect chance to ramble huh? sorry for the rather incomprehensible brainrot, here’s more lighthearted headcanons about puffy asdhfkd
* she cannot stand still sometimes. she always has to be doing something extra, walking when the prime path is right there? shed rather go through tedious little holes or hop and balance onto fences to get where shes going. she’ll mindlessly fix up the path when there are holes or mismatched wood, and one time went on a long, long LONG journey cleaning up the paths tommy purposely DESTROYED near lmanburg and even added cobblestone sidings which werent there before
* puffys a bit of a sentimental person. writing in her log to clear her thoughts sometimes and cared enough to try and preserve lmanburg with the glass sheet and trying to find possible surviving artifacts of history to respect it, even though she’s never been a part of it. its also why, when doomsday happened and lmanburg got permanently poofed, she began to appreciate the buildings that are still standing and began taking more pics 
* she’s not used to being... what do you call it, um, cared for? she’d deflect compliments sometimes, when shes having a particular bad day, like, she’d laugh nervously and change the subject, sometimes she’d outright deny it, most days she’d jokingly say ‘staphhh it’ and add a very genuine thanks. my point being is, do something for puffy that is mildly nice and she’d keep that moment in her heart forever. 
* also funny story regarding the above. u know how karl is notorious for stealing her materials? and how puffy was contemplating doing something in retaliation for them? karl says hi for once when she joins the server and she goes ‘alright fine youre safe for saying hi’ LOL THIS WAS PROBABLY A BIT META WISE but something about this implying that the bare minimum or LESS is enough to make puffy forgive someone is very sad and funny at the same time for me. girl really said ‘oh you said hi to me? thats nice all the crimes youve ever done towards me is now forgiven. <3’ (this is a bit of an exaggeration on my part, ofc, i just think its funny LMAO) 
* ironically, despite being the ‘captain’, whenever riding a boat with someone, she prefers being on the backseat and letting them drive. ig shes just there for the ride i suppose, her and her uber drivers :3
 * she either has a rather unhealthy obsession with baked potatoes or she just doesnt wanna waste eret’s massive potato farm
* idc what cc!puffy says is c!puffy will always and forever be 5′2″ in my HEART. u are the shortest member, u cannot change this <3
* shes really fond of animals/ neutral mobs. she often baby talks to them and they help boost her mood a lot when shes having a bad day :D
* up to this day, the little secret rooms she’s created around the server have all been yet to be discovered, unless the one under bad’s house has been found. she rarely ever really keeps tabs on them, and more often than not they are just collecting dust. she still visits sometimes and cleans them up ofc
* she still genuinely thinks dream can change. cc!puffy’s line about that, ‘i’m his last hope.’ really makes me think about this a lot. 
* ive seen people talk abt it a bit but the headcanon that puffy acts as the server mom to fill the ‘void’ of her missing her mom makes me cry at night /hj
* she really likes her rainbow onesie! i headcanon that eret gave her that along w the sunglasses, but she started wearing that less when she found her old captains uniform. shes never really said why, though, and nobody ever really bothered to ask
* god bless this woman but sometimes the server members get on her nerves sometimes so she goes out of her way to traverse along far away from the main community to maybe commit a few crimes. let off some steam. these take a few days but she always returns
i probably have a lot more hcs but i cant remember them >_> THIS IS A LOT ANYWAY. HOPE U ENJOYED MY BRAIN VOMIT. IF U READ THIS FAR ILU THANK U
if there are mistakes it is bc i am crying and cannot see my keyboard and also i am sleep deprived /hj
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i was about to add “for c!Tommy the world” to my bio but then i found out i did already so i must once again state my thoughts and feelings
*ASSERTING DOMINANCE*
for c!tommy the world <3
okay the statement is 100% true but the reason i feel the need to get it off my chest is cuz of this fic (i bet u heard of it b4 but like yk)
https://archiveofourown.org/works/34234810/chapters/85177039
4 chapters (completed)
tw: Major Character’s death, suicide, child’s death, child neglect, emotional abuse
happy ending tho :D
please don’t read this if it could potentially triggers u, lots of mentions about the oof-ing of oneself and kids talking about the oof, also heavy venomous language (ye tis pretty bad, very bad actually but second chance to give tommy the world)
prepare the tissues or towels to wipe ur tears i’ve been crying non stop for the last hour
also here’s a heavily biased personal opinion summary of the characters (by me) (might have bitty spoilers? just for anyone who would like to know first before diving in the story, there’s angry cussing here tho, beware i have strong feelings about the c!s of this fic):
skip if u don’t want/not okay with spoilers
- Phil: a fucking piece of shit (regret settling in too late) i would punt him if given the chance
- Wilbur: anger issues tw: think of pogtopia wilbur mixing with revivedbur, (fine he does actually regret his actions and try to fix it so like eh im still gonna fucking hate him tho)
- Techno: dude just went out of sight out of mind with his brother (not outrageous as wil or phil but the issue is mans didn’t do shit, didn’t care or at least didn’t act like he cared)
- Sam: didn’t know much was just a teacher doin’ his job
- Schlatt: cool dad, good dad schlatt heals the soul tbh, good man, (would give him a sunflower)
- Tubbo: bestie with Tommy <3, raised good by big J money, nice boi, (would give him the world and a sunflower)
- Tommy: the big T himself he deserves everything nice ever and the most comforting hugs possible and just give him everything (would give him the world and many flowers and also tickets to the petting zoo to see the cows and goats with tubbo)
- Dream: ominous fucker (affectionate?)
- Niki: just neutral feelings she was normal
- Quackity: his reaction was me reading (when i read the fic for some reason i miss pressed and started in chapter 2 so i had no idea)
- friends of wilbur in general: normal but also i wonder what would happen if wilbur didn’t get time traveling shit and like how would they process the bomb drunken wilbur dropped???? like u definitely ain’t gonna go back to live normal life after learning that shit ur friend did like how?????
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