#fandomcourse

[greensaplinggrace]

yeah you know what? I'm going to get into this. "don't humanize villains"/"this abuser is a monster" is some of the worst character discourse in fandom. abusers are not other. abusers are not always easy to recognize. othering someone who's done terrible things from humanity is an arrogant, poisonous idea.

that is a person who is doing those things, and you want so badly to be unable to fall into such patterns of harm and abuse that you will force that person into another category of species altogether, and in so doing you spare yourself from introspection and you give yourself a pretty little pedestal to stand on and you shame everybody who fell for a red flag that is surely so easy to recognize. and you give into prejudice you assign moral values to attributes outside of yourself and you think you are so above doing harm that you could never act in such a way, even as it is a capability within all of us to do so.

get off your self righteous high horse for a moment and use your fucking brain. I'm sick of people in fandom claiming to be the most moral members that are the "only people willing to discuss this" and then every statement out of their mouth is harmful and pervasive word vomit.

#shadow and bone #grishaverse #sab #aleksander morozova #the darkling #sab discourse #anti darklina bs #hannibal #iwtv #rdr2 #da2 #dragon age #btvs #antis are people who would miss the fucking point of lolita #anti anti #i guess idk i've never tagged anything as that before #myramblings #fandomcourse #abuse mention tw #abuse tw #negative

[nyaoha]

gamers

im in yet another new discord server.... its for discourse this time.... join if u wanna we're just going feral in here. were all gay also

https://discord.gg/c38hxMU

#txt #one stop shop for yr acecourse syscourse and fandomcourse needs #discord server

[greensaplinggrace]

literally nothing makes me more steamed than seeing people call one of the mildest antagonists I’ve ever seen the “worst there is”. does griffith mean nothing to you? like hiram burrows and ramsay bolton exist. hannibal lecter is out here eating people. john silver committed one of the worst atrocities known to man. the monarchy exists. fucking light yagami killed thousands of people across the entire world. and you’re telling me mild mcmildson who wasn’t even written very well is the worst? seriously? do you live under a rock? have you only read one book in your entire life?? are you a puritan?! get out of my sight

#it’s insannne you all need to stop #go read crime and punishment or something #on god #shadow and bone #grishaverse #aleksander morozova #the darkling #ada wong #resident evil #daenerys targaryen #morgana pendragon #anders #dragon age #negative #fandomcourse #hhhh #myramblings #go figure that most of them are vilified revolutionaries too lmfao #darkling slander sunday

[greensaplinggrace]

alina starkov i am so sorry that no one understands your character. i'm sorry that you have been reduced to the fandom's morality pony at the sake of your real personality and your depth. i'm sorry that they don't understand that you existed as a person outside of the men in your life, and that your relationship with your trauma was complicated and ugly and understandable. i'm sorry they didn't love you for this anyway.

i'm sorry they don't understand the metaphor of the sunlight in your soul representing your self discovery and growing ability to accept yourself - that every scene where you long so desperately to know yourself and then glow when you finally do is cast in darkness by those who would rather you starve yourself in the name of conformity than eat healthily at the table of self love.

i'm sorry that they didn't love you enough to see how much losing your light hurt you and i'm sorry that they didn't want you to have a happy ending that you truly wanted - one where you could be all of yourself without shame or borders. i'm sorry their love for you was so performative that it stripped you of everything you are, that it left you wanting and shamed and filled with grief. i'm so so sorry.

#this fandom really does not deserve her #grishaverse #shadow and bone #sab #alina starkov #sab salt #myramblings #you bet your ass i'll go to bat for my girl #when will the people who claim to love her stop speaking complete and utter shit? #fandomcourse #sab discourse #anti darkling bs #anti darklina bs

[greensaplinggrace]

#hot take #truths the fandom isn’t ready for #fans of this never bring up - *proceeds to discuss topics already extensively discussed in fandom and by fans*

#shadow and bone #grishaverse #the darkling #aleksander morozova #darklina #asoiaf #jaime lannister #btvs #mass effect #dragon age #myramblings #fandomcourse #discourse #negative

[greensaplinggrace]

absolutely fascinated by people saying the darkling committed genocide. is this the result of them not reading the books or is this the result of stringent moral policing in fandom spaces defining how people interpret media online? or perhaps is this the result of said moral policing creating a feedback loop of misinformation for those that don't remember the books too well?

#inquiring minds want to know #same people who say he's a r*pist too tbh #genocide mention tw #pretty ballsy of them to devalue real world issues like this but what do i know :/ #shadow and bone #sab #grishaverse #aleksander morozova #the darkling #pro darkling #its not even pro darkling its like. hate him accurately or shut the fck up #also maybe take these issues more seriously lol #sab discourse #sab salt #fandomcourse #negative #myramblings

[greensaplinggrace]

people on this site will see content creators begging, pleading, screaming for interaction speaking about how disheartened they feel and asking for even a lick of attention and be like "wow it's so presumptuous and cruel to act that way about your loyal customers - the lurkers and viewers on this site!" while not reblogging or interacting with anything and then not two days later they'll have the gall to come online whining about how all of their fandoms are fucking dead. like two guesses as to why that is.

#gifmaking #artists on tumblr #writers on tumblr #fandom #myramblings #negative #fandomcourse #oooauugh #i see my fellow gifmakers literally fucking WILTING and you're all out here talking about guilt trips?! #my people they are hanging on for their dear lives have some respect #youre lucky to get any content at all in this day and age of fandom #im feeling a real self righteous kind of anger right now on behalf of the artists on this site #who i have to watch comfort each other about how much they want to quit and how hard they struggle to keep going EVERY WEEK #while general fandom acts like it's just paltry guilt tripping for notes

[greensaplinggrace]

the damage 'cool motive still murder' did to literary comprehension and actual character analysis could never be more obvious than in the shadow and bone fandom lmfao. how is so much of the fandom so bad at reading comprehension or even understanding a smidgen of nuance.

#i mean i know why. its because the books are so bad at it and so they draw in a crowd #that of course agrees and thinks in the same black and white stilted and unrealistic #'centralist who's never been in the real world' bs #lmfao #shadow and bone #grishaverse #the darkling #aleksander morozova #genya safin #alina starkov #anti shadow and bone #sab critical #sab salt #fandomcourse #people will be like 'cool motive still murder' as a gotcha and ill literally lose braincells lmfao

[greensaplinggrace]

aklsdjf imagine hating your own characters and the people who like those characters so much that you wont even speak to a fan of your work about them. girl this is embarrassing for you

#im sorry but like asldkfj;sl #massive L for the shadow and bone show huh #no wonder it was so bad if that was one of the writers #shadow and bone #grishaverse #sorry but she just proved everybody who was criticizing alina's writing in the shows right #sab was written by a bunch of juvenile idiots and now ive got actual proof lmfao #negative #fandomcourse #anti shadow and bone #shadow and bone critical

[greensaplinggrace]

antis really be like: the enemies? in this lovers-to-enemies relationship? is full of the characters hurting each other while they’re enemies? 🤔 abuse

#shadow and bone #resident evil #spuffy #btvs #aeon #grishaverse #alina starkov #darklina #aleksander morozova #the darkling #asoiaf #braime #writeblr #myramblings #fandom #fandomcourse #negative #anyways… #they’re enemies #they are on OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE WAR #can you even conceptualize what that means #ahskshsks

[greensaplinggrace]

🔥for Genya Safin? 👀

anytime anybody attributes genya's decision to remain in the grand palace entirely to the darkling, they do her character a major disservice. they erase her depth, her traumas, her agency, and some of the key, defining points of her personality, her relationship with choice, and her driving motivation. not only that, but in large part, when people "excuse" genya from this decision, they are couching their reasoning in terms of perfect victimhood and female infantilization. I have never seen an analysis of this scene pushing all of the blame onto the darkling that did not in some way shame imperfect victimhood and moral ambiguity in women.

we lose a lot of good character analysis when we refuse to engage with women's choices as their own. people like to strip them of consequences or agency in order to blame others for their actions, because to admit women are capable of being imperfect victims or people with darkness in them or people that make bad choices or unreasonable decisions - like any person would - is to engage in a level of nuance that fandom rejects. you flatten these characters into perverse caricatures and you fetishize their victimhood without accounting for the reality of such trauma, and in doing so you brush aside the ugliness of the situation and you scrape out everything that makes the victim a person and you replace it with a doll you can easily defend.

genya made a choice. it was not the darkling's choice, it was her own. what happened in this situation was a very fascinating intersection of character motivations and personalities in a situation that highlighted their greatest traits. it is baffling to me that people like to flatten this scene when it is by far the most interesting one out there - imo anything between aleksander and genya is interesting because they are so similar, but I digress.

you have two very practical and goal focused characters in the same room together. you have the darkling give a young girl an ultimatum - strike one: this is a mark against him. he should not be giving children of this age any ultimatums when they are too young to be making such decisions. but he is a general and they are his soldiers and he is a character whose motivational focus is idealistic at the rejection of the individual. he is a) practical, and b) opportunistic - so this scene is a fascinating look into these aspects of his character.

then you've got the darkling engaging with genya. he is relating to her and he is sympathizing with her. people love to mark this as either full manipulation or complete non-manipulative empathy. but realistically, it would be both. it is very likely the darkling understands what genya is going through and is very sympathetic to it. it is very likely the darkling would not push her further to remain in the grand palace if she chose otherwise. but he is practical, and he has certain goals, and he respects genya's strength of character. he is also one of the only characters fully aware of the political climate, and one of the only politically savvy characters on the side of the grisha.

genya remaining in the grand palace is the best decision, in his mind. to remove her would put the grisha on the backfoot. to remove her would put the grisha at a disadvantage in the political climate, and it would instead give the king leverage over them. she is also useful to him, because he is an opportunist, and this is the most reasonable option to him, because he is practical. so he doesn't just remove her from the situation, he gives her a choice.

genya is also practical. she is highly competent and incredibly smart. she is vengeful, she is vicious, she is ruthless, she is prideful, and she is unbelievably caring. it is fucking baffling to me that people assume she's some wilting flower that was wholly manipulated into her situation and then simply sadly endured while she wished for a better life until she could be rescued by her savior when in reality she takes an active role in her story and is the fucking symbol of quiet, ruthless, karmic resistance and righteous fury.

the decision genya makes to stay is the crux of her character. it is her defining moment. everything you can glean about her character can be directly derived from this decision that she makes. and people will just take that away from her? you're joking. let's just say she didn't choose to side with alina as well while we're at it. those scars she got were random and not the direct consequence of her own choice. those scars she has aren't symbols of her resolve and her loneliness and her compassion and the strength she must have had to spare alina knowing what the darkling would do to her. they're just there I guess - all the darkling's fault. please. I'm fucking seething.

genya has reasons for deciding to stay in the grand palace. and she remains there because she has reasons. she has internal logic and depth of character. she has a driving motive that - surprise - puts her in danger! she suffers and she is traumatized and it is because the darkling gave her an ultimatum and it is because of grisha persecution and it is because of the king's corruption and the queen's inaction. but first and foremost it is because she chose to stay. because her character - her personality - dictates it. and she is not regretful.

like you all love to make her some weeping perfect victim when she's not. you love to say she'd fold in on herself waiting for rescue when she wouldn't. you love to say she'd walk away from her goals and her motives and her care for both the individual and the masses when everything about her says otherwise. you love to make her kinder than she is, softer than she is, less practical than she is - because she is too much like the darkling in too many ways and this is simply unacceptable in this fandom. none of these female characters have depth or gray morality to you. none of these female characters have complicated relationships with their trauma and their choices to you. it's literally all just the fault of one man. and I'm sick of it.

genya fucking looked the darkling in his eyes and forgave him for what he did to her. not because she cared about him, but because she cared about herself and her recovery. in a feat of monumental strength and incredible fortitude. literally all this fandom does when they talk about her is judge the darkling. as if she doesn't at all exist beyond him. how is that in any way liberating or providing understanding for survivors like her?

send me a 🔥 for an unpopular opinion (x)

#grishaverse #shadow and bone #sab #genya safin #aleksander morozova #the darkling #you've got a scene that is RIFE with character goodies for two of the most interesting characters in the series #who are incredibly similar #and you're just erasing all that. okay #myramblings #sab salt #sab discourse #sab meta #negative #fandomcourse #asks and answers #lol ty for the ask nonny #ask games

[greensaplinggrace]

i've never been more bewildered than i was when i learned that there were hannigram antis. girl why

#nbc hannibal #hannigram #as i get older i find antis more and more ridiculous #like how immature do you have to be to think that somebody having fun smashing some random scrungly blorbos together is sick in the head #like i get not liking a ship for personal reasons or whatever #god knows i have my own preferences #but when it's presented as some sort of moral ground?? #buddy you have no moral ground #it's fiction lol #anyways why are you watching the show about the gay cannibalistic serial killer if you don't like gay cannibalistic serial killing #has fandom always acted so immature? #discourse #fandomcourse

[greensaplinggrace]

also just saw someone whining about how darklinas love the aesthetic and that it shouldn't matter to them because "good people don't ship bad things" this is literally the funniest shit I've ever seen

#all i was doing was searching for a post im- #guys don't go in the gen tags im serious the lack of critical thinking will kill you on the spot #have any of you people read anything aside from sab? #like im begging and pleading over here for some actual thinking to occur in your brains #even other ya fiction at this point would likely be better for you #shadow and bone #the darkling #aleksander morozova #darklina #sab salt #sab discourse #negative #fandomcourse #anti darklina bs #pro darkling

[greensaplinggrace]

love seeing people seething mad about the fact that others like a fictional ship they don't like. it is legitimately amusing to watch somebody explode about a pointless nonissue because they literally cannot handle the perceived immorality of it all. like oh no these people like this mildly unhealthy ship! I'm going to scream with rage about it!!

#lkajslkdfj im sorry but this is genuinely funny to me #especially when somebody gets actually pissed about the flower scene its like alkjlaksjd... its not real #the flowers can't hurt you #myramblings #grishaverse #shadow and bone #alina starkov #the darkling #anti darklina bs #darklina #spuffy #lawlight #hannigram #aeon #oh people get soooo angry about hannigram and aeon #like... why #sab discourse #sab negativity #fandomcourse #negative #idk man but fandom behavior as of late when it isn't damaging just comes across as funny #that fictional character really has you spitting mad over nothing huh #you should call a bunch of real life abuse survivors abuse apologists over it #abuse mention tw

[greensaplinggrace]

ppl really talk about the darkling like he's a real living person casting an evil spell to make readers like him huh

literally. and it's even worse because the reader can tell right away that he's the antagonist. he's the socially outcast charismatic leader that wears all black, has shadow powers, is part of an oppressed minority, and wishes to exact change. the fact that he so clearly falls into the vilified revolutionary trope long before he even betrays alina - and that even before that alina is suspicious of him and never actually completely falls for him - means that there is no real method for the portrayal of the darkling to trick readers anyways.

it's amazing how people laud the writing as subversive and bardugo as a genius for his character when he plays into every racist trope imaginable and can't even properly convey what a real abuser looks or acts like in reality. they think that liking him means the reader has "fallen" for him in the same way alina has. except that alina never does, and the writing never allows you to fall for him, and the tone of the series from the beginning marks him as unacceptable.

so what you get is a whole bunch of people linking a terribly written allegory with a cheap imitation of the insidious methods abusers use to control their victims and manipulate societal norms to the very real effect actually well written satirical criticisms of society have on the general population that reveal hidden prejudices and biases while shining a light on propagandized misinformation.

I'm sorry, but liking the darkling or darklina can't actually prove leigh bardugo's point when the point is so poorly written it basically walks backwards. in no way is this piece of literature subversive or impactful on society's views of itself and it's methods of control. there's nothing to fall for because the darkling doesn't actually accurately represent a real type of person, and his relationship with alina doesn't accurately represent a real type of dynamic.

#shadow and bone #grishaverse #aleksander morozova #the darkling #sorry but the worst thing this series did was have people believe it was on the same level as midsommar and american psycho lmfao #sab critical #anti sab #sab discourse #negative #fandomcourse #leigh bardugo critical #anti leigh bardugo #anti darklina bs #anti darkling bs #sab salt #guys im trying so hard not to cross tag #unlike that other person lmfao #i don't reblog a post with discourse unless you've cross-tagged it. so honestly that's on them

[greensaplinggrace]

do you guys remember this. because it lives rent free in my brain every single day. this is still some of the funniest shit I have ever seen. like what do you mean no 😭😭

#shadow and bone #sab discourse #alskjdfls i guess XDD #do you ever read something youre sure is satire but it turns out to be serious im alskjdflks #grishaverse #anti darkling bs #aleksander morovoza #darklina #the darkling #godddd anti posts have turned right around into humorous territory at this point #its like free comedy #this is the post that claims one of his worst crimes is 'killing many families' and 'forcing alina to like him' #which is objectively some of the funniest analysis i have ever read in my entire life #i actually like his character and i could do a better breakdown of what ACTUALLY makes him a terrible person #this is crazy #i could do the job of 90 percent of antis better than them #fandomcourse #myramblings #and my first talking point would be how his beauty is textually posited to be a working factor of his manipulation and so cannot be denied #as a fact #unless you wish to make the point that lbs manipulation was lacking (which it is) #or #that the mentions of his looks can be attributed to something else #my second talking point would be about how manipulation ACTUALLY worked in the darklina relationship #because believe it or not for a bunch of people who have this as their main talking point #they never actually… hit on the point #or even anywhere near it #which I suppose makes sense for a bunch of people who think lbs writing of the darklings manipulation was actually good #and that his character was subversive (lol) #negative