#sab salt

[greensaplinggrace]

“Character A didn’t love Character B because they hurt them” discourse is truly terrible because it assigns a moral value to love that simply does not exist. love doesn’t actually mean anything about someone’s character. it doesn’t make someone’s actions toward another any better or any worse, it doesn’t prevent atrocities, and it doesn’t prevent abuse.

love is a worthless emotion when it comes to morals because it simply holds no bearing on them. true love doesn’t exist. there is no better or more pure version of love. in the end love doesn’t mean anything. it’s a non-emotion. it’s the child of passion and affection and dedication. doing something bad doesn’t preclude a feeling of love, because a lack of love isn’t a requirement for immoral actions, and morality isn’t a requirement for feeling love.

#like there's no moral high ground saying the character loved or didn't love the other charater #because its irrelevent #it's a driving factor like any emotion is a driving factor and that's about it #it's not a sign of morality or immorality #it's literally just love #love as an emotion is an ENTIRELY separate entity from a healthy relationship #shadow and bone #grishaverse #aleksander morozova #the darkling #alina starkov #darklina #hannigram #lawlight #spuffy #sab meta #sab salt #sab discourse #i mean kinda lol #just to be safe #myramblings #negative #fandomcourse

[howtostandinsilence]

Alina's sun summoner ability cannot be a metaphor for her escaping the cycle of abuse and living her own peaceful life when its very presence indicates something entirely different about her character. When her abilities are tied more closely to her identity and her growing path to self discovery, any framing of their presence in her life as only a fight against abuse comes across as cheap and shows a spectacular misunderstanding of her character.

Alina losing her abilities doesn't show a need to no longer fight. It doesn't show freedom or liberation. It shows instead brutal oppression and cruelty. 'She can be on her own and the darkness cant get to her anymore' is a funny way of describing the loss of a light power that could by nature repel the darkness and bring her kinship. In fact, it is almost a direct misinterpretation of the events that took place, and through its very wording contradicts itself.

Alina losing her powers cannot be a big metaphor for letting go of the past and moving onto internal peace when it drives her into a horrific regression and throws her into an eternal misery and grief stricken state. Where her very being is repressed so that she may conform and assimilate to her oppressors.

You cannot state that this hatred of her ending is only because it has been done terribly to other female characters before as if this is all some transferred bias. Alina's story is itself regressive through it's own path throughout the books. Her repression and the championing of her internalized bigotry through a narrative that structures itself around restrictive and puritanical morality can be easily tracked, picked apart, and analyzed as itself a story that rejects any real liberation or character progression to force the main female character into a box of conformity.

While Alina strives to be loved and cared for, she states multiple times what she truly wants. Which is the ability to accept and love all of herself in every way, with the freedom to love who she wants and to craft an ending that she wants, where she does not have to give up any of this. That Alina's very desire to have an ending where she can live freely is rejected so that fans can pat themselves on the back for liking her canonical regression feels grotesque. She did not actually want her ending. She could barely stomach it.

Alina's powers did not only represent her fight against abuse. They represented something more to her fundamental character and her arc of self actualization. There is no peoticism in her losing her powers except that of a greek tragedy and it's unfortunate protagonist. Alina didn't even choose to lose her powers. They were stripped from her against her will. In every way, her agency and pershonhood and very wishes are violated. But this is ignored in favor of championing some "subversive" and "enlightened" and apparently feminist story that simply does not exist.

#shadow and bone #sab salt #alina starkov #siege and storm #ruin and rising #the darkling #sab meta #the grisha trilogy

[clumsyyhearts]

oooooooooh something something I thought this season was gonna be ice court speedrun but instead it’s sooooooooo much worse. Why are we in crooked kingdom already girl. What are we doing girl

#I expected nothing and I still got disappointed #sab salt

[winelover1989]

the dialogue and acting in the s02 of shadow & bone is so BAD I couldn't even fast forward through the "good parts" because there were none 🙄 finished the whole season in 15 mins???

#sab salt #shadow and bone #They had one interesting character #And one interesting location #Location wrapped #And even the #Darkling #Was boring AF this season

[helenvader]

Fold orphans are canon... 

King of Scars, Chapter 25:

"They’d closed up the shop, and Liliyana had cooked them dinner and introduced Zoya to the child she’d taken in whose parents hadn’t made it back from their last crossing—a scrawny snub-nosed girl named Lada, who demanded Zoya help her draw the Little Palace in extensive detail."

I still do not get it. Parents do the crossing and leave a small child behind. Who did they leave Lada with? *shakes head*

#le sigh #sab salt

[fromevertonow]

I have complete trust in the writers of s&b because they respect the characters and this world. I can’t say that about many other adaptations. The way they actively incorporated quotes/dialogue from the books, stayed true to the characters’ personalities and essence… they know what they’re doing with the parts we, the fandom, love about the Grishaverse. I understand the complaints about some scenes losing their value because they switched book orders (like the Kanej “how will you have me” scene) but you also gotta understand that this is essentially the second part of a story, just like Crooked Kingdom is (for example). We have seen the first part of the Crows’ relation develop in s1, just like we did in SoC (some variation of it at least), but switching these books around doesn’t really make less sense to me?? In my opinion, it works. Consider what we know from the show, not the books and ask yourself if this is really all so out of pocket as you claim it to be.

#all the major complains are about the crows #and i get it theyre the most beloved part of this fandom #but take things with a grain of salt will you #this is an ADAPTATION #things are bound to be different #shadow and bone spoilers #sab spoilers #shadow and bone #six of crows #crooked kingdom #grishaverse #kanej #inej ghafa #kaz brekker

[biherbalwitch]

6 tickets to the Barbie movie, please!

#matthias thought he wanted to see oppenheimer #but nina knew he'll end up joining them #in approximately 10 mins #with salted caramel popcorn for both of them #mainly for her #barbie #the barbie movie #six of crows #crooked kingdom #shadow and bone #kaz brekker #inej ghafa #matthias helvar #jesper fahey #nina zenik #wylan van eck #wylan hendriks #sab #s&b netflix

[eerna]

im gonna be real with you all the tgt netflix deal is the worst thing that could have happened to six of crows like i dont think even a solo soc adaptation can save the newly created baggage from the current show unless its a complete "reboot" that ignores sab or whatever but thats even more unlikely than a separate adaption

I agree wholeheartedly. SaB ruined SoC's chances at becoming the next teen TV show royalty. I am willing to bet that it could have been the biggest thing they've produced in years if they just chose to adapt it first and SaB later. But now it's too late because all the characters and backstories were rewritten to fit the SaB plotline and we can never go back to "six small-time but talented thieves fight a whole city". Here's to hoping someone else picks it up in 10 years for a reboot because this could make so much money it's not even funny like I THOUGHT YOU LOVED MONEY WHY WOULD YOU SAY NO TO MONEY-

#eernask #eernanon #eernask talk grishaverse #sab salt party

[osaemu]

i think fyodor's ability is to kill ppl and add their lifespan to his own .... but idk if the years are how many the victim already lived or how many they had left .....

#sabs posts! #this is coming from a dream i had when i accidentally fell asleep again this morning #after reading the chapter #so take it with a grain of salt BUT

[arobutchsab]

I am a dogboy pleaseeee gibe me pets in my asks I've been good

#sorry think my salt got low for a second there #sab #nsft #🫀

[darkolaism]

don't you just hate it when you're not able to heal and move on from ur trauma 😢

#i knew that *that* side of the fandom is not smart but holy shit #i already poured salt in darkolai discord server a few days ago but i looked up at sab acc again so im salty again

[greensaplinggrace]

alina starkov i am so sorry that no one understands your character. i'm sorry that you have been reduced to the fandom's morality pony at the sake of your real personality and your depth. i'm sorry that they don't understand that you existed as a person outside of the men in your life, and that your relationship with your trauma was complicated and ugly and understandable. i'm sorry they didn't love you for this anyway.

i'm sorry they don't understand the metaphor of the sunlight in your soul representing your self discovery and growing ability to accept yourself - that every scene where you long so desperately to know yourself and then glow when you finally do is cast in darkness by those who would rather you starve yourself in the name of conformity than eat healthily at the table of self love.

i'm sorry that they didn't love you enough to see how much losing your light hurt you and i'm sorry that they didn't want you to have a happy ending that you truly wanted - one where you could be all of yourself without shame or borders. i'm sorry their love for you was so performative that it stripped you of everything you are, that it left you wanting and shamed and filled with grief. i'm so so sorry.

#this fandom really does not deserve her #grishaverse #shadow and bone #sab #alina starkov #sab salt #myramblings #you bet your ass i'll go to bat for my girl #when will the people who claim to love her stop speaking complete and utter shit? #fandomcourse #sab discourse #anti darkling bs #anti darklina bs

[howtostandinsilence]

“The SaB writers looked Darklina shippers right in the eyes and said this is an unhealthy ship.” - No, the SaB writers avoided the entire fandom’s eyes because they don’t have the balls to be direct about anything and said “we are so afraid of backlash from the puritans if we add even an an ounce of nuance to this story that we are going to sanitize every character in our show and flatten this story into nothing.”

You all will really attribute any kind of activism to a bunch of people convinced that the fandom is so childish it can’t even handle Alina slightly having complexity. It just goes to show that anti rhetoric isn’t feminist or morally superior at all. It’s the naïve handwringing of a bunch of sheltered centrists over fake morals as a stand-in for real world activism.

#anti darklina bs #no wonder these people think lb is a good writer #they think the netflix sab writers were actually doing something or making a statement with their word vomit second season #anti sab #sab critical #anti shadow and bone #sab salt #sab discourse #anti darkling bs

[clumsyyhearts]

HELP I AM LAUGHING WHY DID THEY DO THE SLAT FIGHT AND THE BATHROOM SCENE. Oh look how they’ve massacred my boy

#sab salt

[wander-wren]

hey sab fandom what if we tagged when we were mad about the show. just a thought. in case we do not want negativity on the dash at this particular moment

#bird noises #shadow and bone #its calmed down a LOT and i blocked all the sab salt related tags i could think of #but i just ran into it again and im like ughhh #youre allowed to complain! i have some things i’m not 100% happy with! #but i’ve seen enough of it and i’m done rn

[forested-witch]

sometimes i eat a ton of salt and then hours later crave more salt and i dont know what this means but i know what im going to do about it

#sab speaks #if i have anything in common with horses is thats i would i fuck up a salt lick #if have 2 things in common with horses its that i would look just as deranged while eating it