#fandom lesbophobia

[justanisabelakinnie]

“Just because she’s independent and single doesn’t mean she’s a lesbian, you’re being stereotypical” shut the fuck up shut the fuck up SHUT THE FUCK UP.

As if every single female character doesn’t already have to be attracted to men and center men in their attraction. And now the second we headcanon a female character who doesn’t have a romantic relationship with men as a lesbian suddenly we’re the bad guys?

Lesbians get no representation ever but oh I get it, female characters are allowed to be strong and independent and not need a guy to be fulfilled and all of that crap you spew in the name of feminism, so long as they’re still attracted to guys that is.

God forbid a female character is actually independent from and fully de-centers men by not being attracted to them at all. God forbid lesbians have an ACTUAL CHARACTER to see themselves in to remind us that we are not “incomplete” for not liking men. But y’all don’t care about that, I already know. It’s not forcing independent girls to be lesbians and it’s not “stereotyping” you guys just see lesbian as a dirty word, and you see us as perverted, gross, forceful, man-haters, or less than women because your identity is wrapped up in liking men and you center them at every turn, straight women will always complain about female characters being lesbians with “why can’t she just be independent” meanwhile y’all exclude us from conversations with your endless jabber about boyfriends and crushes, lol fucking jokes.

The truth is lesbians are the embodiment of what womanhood looks like without the centering of men and that threatens y’all somehow, so the second a female character is seen as a lesbian you come out with the pitchforks screaming “nuh-uh, she’s STRAIGHT!” It’s not the “independence” that is the problem, you’re just mad and offended by female characters not being available to men or depending on them to find love and be happy, that’s the real problem that you pretend is the opposite.

And don’t pretend that you treat canonical lesbians any better either, because when we do get them you erase their sexuality by calling them straight or bi and writing fics about them being shipped with male characters they have no chemistry with(because they’re lesbians), or making them aroace(because if they can’t be into men then you’ll make sure they’re not into women either), you don’t give a shit fuck about independent women and even less of one about lesbians, you just see a woman not being attracted to men as not fulfilling their proper role as women because you still define womanhood as revolving around men even when they are “independent” and thus you need to “punish” them somehow.

So, disrespectfully, fuck off, and don’t come after us lesbians with our headcanons about characters as lesbians with “but but but can’t she be strong and independent without being a lesbian?! Can’t she still be straight!!! I can respect her not getting with a man but I still need her to like guys please!!!” Because you WILL get embarrassed and you WILL get your feelings hurt.

#shut up #isabela madrigal #isabela my beloved #isabela is best girl #encanto #encanto headcanons #encanto queer headcanons #isabela madrigal is a lesbian #i understand that much of this debate with isabela is also because of white lgbtq+ people ignoring the theme of the movie #but that doesn't mean i don't see the lesbophobia radiating off of some of y'all #and it's not cute 🤨 #queen elsa #frozen #princess merida #brave #lesbian #lesbophobia #fandom lesbophobia #androcentrism #fandom androcentrism #why tf was this in my drafts for so long to the point where i completely forgot about it lol #but anyway yeah #lesbians aren't beating you straight women with battleaxes and telling you to break up with your boyfriends or else you're sexist traitors #just let us relax and hc in peace and stop trying to be the lesbian police please #all right thank you

[princessefemmelesbian]

Lesbian: I hc this character as a lesbian!

Other lesbians and people who aren't lesbophobic assholes: OMG same!

Lesbophobic assholes: Okay but is this not a stereotype tho???? Just because she does x doesn't mean she's a lesbian! She can still like guys yk? What do you have against women who like guys?! Let women like guys, goddamnit, because Lord knows they don't get to do so enough. 🙄

The rest of us smart people:

#lesbian #lesbophobia #fandom lesbophobia #lesbian erasure #op

[thisismisogynoir]

Non-Blacks Don’t Reblog This.

Where are all the Black lesbians that straight Black women are claiming are overrepresented in media because honey I ain’t seeing them.

I see so many straight Black women(namely on social media) saying that most Black female representation in mainstream media is lesbian. They complain that those characters only exist to tick off as many diversity boxes as possible(bc yk being Black and gay isn’t possibly something that can coexist), and that they’re only gay to send the message that Black women are less desirable to men(bc you know we all want to be desirable to men and that’s what our value hinges on), and so on and so forth, just plain utter nonsense.

And don’t get me wrong, some of their complaints were valid, such as that these characters’ sexualities sometimes aren’t given much focus in media, or that they are often more masculine(which isn’t a bad thing once again but it would be nice to see more Black femmes in media), or that they are often given a white woman love interest, or at worst that they tend to be made cops, but beyond that I reeeeeeally have to question why I so often see straight Black women complaining about “too many” Black girls being lesbians in fiction because as a Black lesbian I can assure you that this is nowhere near the reality. I also saw someone complain that every strong female character is made a lesbian. And well…you all already know my thoughts about that.

To me it just seems like regular degular lesbophobia. A lot of straight women have this aversion to lesbians and see us as the worst thing a woman or female-aligned person can possibly be: completely independent of and not in need of men. And sadly this isn’t just exclusive to white women, but Black women and women of color can do this too because lesbophobia is universal. I’m so sick of straight women throwing lesbians under the bus even in shared marginalized spaces and seeing us as this stereotype or negative example to avoid. There needs to be more diverse representation of Black love in media, that cannot be denied, but what I cannot sit here and take is straight Black women acting like Black lesbians are the problem. Because again, show me the plethora of Black lesbians that are supposedly oversaturating media and being more represented than straight Black women. I wanna live on the planet you live on. Both straight Black women and white lesbians get waaaay more representation than Black lesbians combined and yet it’s Black lesbians that are the problem and the overdone stereotype that we need to do away with. Lmao.

#black women #misogynoir #lesbian #lesbophobia #fandom lesbophobia #masculinization of black women #non-blacks dni #lesbian erasure

[cherylesbian]

{character is explicitly stated by the creators to be a lesbian/refers to herself as a lesbian} fandom: ugh her being gay makes no sense / she should’ve been bi!! / I’m just gonna say she’s bi

{character’s sexuality is never explicitly stated / they were intended to be straight / creator and actor differ on opinion on their sexuality} {someone headcanons them as a lesbian} fandom: BI ERASURE!! BIPHOBIA!! WHEN WILL THE EVIL LESBIANS STOP

#this isn’t a problem with bi people #just fandom lesbophobia doing its thing #fandom #fandom homophobia #fandom lesbophobia #lesbophobia in fandom #lesbophobia #headcanon #lgbt headcanons #lesbian headcanons #this is absolutely not to say the bi erasure and biphobia aren’t real and aren’t serious issues #they absolutely are #but someone saying ‘oh Megan fox said she played Jennifer as a lesbian so she’s a lesbian to me!!’ is not it lol #I do headcanon Jennifer as bi btw!! #but the joke of he saying oh I go both ways in response to ‘I thought you only murder boys’ #is again a joke and not explicitly stating she’s bi. fucking obviously.

[rhfffas]

srsly why *canon* wlw ship is even less popular???

theres def some internalized misogyny and lesbophobia in fandom

if charlie and vaggie are mlm, ppl would be CRAZY abt them

#chaggie #charlie x vaggie #hazbin hotel #charlie morningstar #hazbin hotel vaggie #wlw #lesbian #lgbt #queer #lgbtqia #gay #sapphic #tv show #wlw ship #canon wlw #femslash #sexism in fandom #lesbophobia #queer women #also why the fuck ppl are shipping charlie x alastor #anti charlie x alastor #they are like father and daughter plzzz

[actual-changeling]

sometimes i just wanna shake people in fandom spaces and yell "but are you normal about lesbians????? ARE YOU???" because unfortunately the answer to that question is 'no' 95% of the time

#alex yells at the void #good omens #it's just as bad in this fandom as in any other btw #idk i am. tired of the casual lesbophobia that's just everywhere and no one cares #except for lesbians

[dyketubbo]

not to be a woman womaning all over the place but i feel like if you genuinely like. do not have friends that are women then you have something to work on. if you cant think of any female characters that you treat the same way you do male characters then you have something to work on. if you cant handle even seeing "i dont like being called a guy/bro/lad/etc because it doesnt feel gender neutral to me" but can understand when one of your masc besties is uncomfortable with being called girlie or sister then you have something to work on. if your default in regards to how you handle other people and even characters is to assume masculinity then you have something to work on. if you cant even let women and otherwise feminine people speak about our experiences without bringing up how you suffer too then you have something to work on.

it doesnt matter if youre queer or a poc or a minority in whatever which way, if you do not include women in your life and cant even stand a fucking inch of genuine feminism (and i dont mean terfs but god is it fucking agonizing that thats all you people can think of when you hear feminism anymore) where the point is to treat women, all women, equally then you have something to work on. listen to women, even the ones whose experiences completely dont align with yours (hell ESPECIALLY the ones whose experiences completely dont align with yours). just like how we all have to check ourselves for racism, ableism, queerphobia, we all have to check ourselves for misogyny too. stop acting like it got solved at some point. it still exists and it exists within you and you have to actually fucking work on that. "women should be included in your life and you should listen to them" shouldnt be a hard goddamn pill to swallow.

#mask mews #truly i dont think if you can call yourself a feminist then thats a red flag. actually. like legit #yes fuck terfs we all fucking hate terfs but if thats all you can think of when you hear feminism youre letting them win #youre lettin the misogynistic assholes who call people 'feminazis' win. the mras the pieces of shit who treat our rights like a debate topic #and no transmascs yall are not exempt from them just because youve experienced misogyny too #i see misogyny from queer men all the time and yall need to stop acting like being a minority #prevents you from being harmful to other minorities #black men often perpetuate misogynoir. trans men often perpetuate transmisogyny. gay men often perpetuate lesbophobia #just as women can perpetuate the harmful shit against all of those groups too #we're all being shit to each other and we all need to check ourselves and im tired of people acting #like its just okay to like. exclude women from shit #its exhausting and its misogynistic and i think especially in this fandom none of you ever moved on from thinking gaming is only for men #watch yourselves. watch how you talk about women. about femininity. #how when yall talk about the annoying cis white women #its clear which of yall are annoyed about the cis white parts. and which of yall are annoyed about the woman part

[fortheloveofexy]

speaking as a lesbian, I really, really hate when people on this website use the "you guys just hate lesbians :/" argument over trivial things like character polls.

#like sorry but if you cant find reasons for me to vote for a character beyond guilt tripping and vague accusations of lesbophobia #then maybe they dont deserve my vote!! #i love gideon nav as much as the next sapphic but that doesnt mean i have to vote for her Or Else #like are there instances of real actual lesbophobia on here? yes! absolutely! #but fictional book character tournaments are not one of them! #also i find it very telling that the aftg fandom has been nothing but respectful towards tlt #but tlt fans are in the reblogs being nasty about aftg #once again other fandoms choosing to be rude for no reason 😭

[justanisabelakinnie]

Rare smart person on Tumblr: Yk I just think it's wrong to completely and constantly sideline/hate female characters in favor of male ones, I know that female representation in media isn't where it should be right about now, but surely you can find SOME female characters that you like??? More than you can count on both hands and feet, perhaps? Even if you have to reshape them to have actual depth in fanfiction??? I mean we do it all the time for male characters, so why not female ones? There are plenty of already good female characters that you could enjoy and ship together and write fanfics and thinkpieces about too, why don't they get any of the attention that they deserve?

The rest of the idiots on the so-called "SJW" site: HAHAHAAA! Silly rare smart person on Tumblr, don't you know that it's impossible to care about female characters in any capacity??? I mean, I'm a straight woman/gay man, I'm fundamentally incapable of giving a shit about characters that I can't envision myself fucking. Besides, everyone knows that female characters are never anything other than flat cardboard cutouts(unlike the male cardboard cutout that I've fleshed out in fanfiction and made my blorbo) or sex objects for the male gaze, and even if they're not, what if I don't want to engage in media where the female characters are written as fully-fledged people??? Huh??? What about it??? Are you gonna stop me from consuming the media that I love??? I'm not sexist, it's just that women are written so terribly in every single piece of media that I choose to watch out there so obviously the logical conclusion is to give up on female characters altogether and just focus on male ones, because everyone knows the solution to misogyny in media is to remove the women from the equation, hip hip hooray!!! And also jsyk I DO have female characters that I enjoy! Sure they're all canonically dudes who I headcanon as transfem and he/him lesbians, and sure I consider them "like a girl to me" because they're weak and scared of the dark and cry easily, but that's gotta count for something, right??? I just care about girls so much! Anyway giving a shit about girls is too much work, I'd rather just ship these men who don't talk to each other together while claiming the girlfriend is abusive or a mean lesbian bestie, and there's nothing you can do to stop me!!!

#sexism #misogyny #androcentrism #lesbophobia #fandom sexism #fandom misogyny #fandom androcentrism #fandom lesbophobia #double standards #hypocrisy #my post #transmisogyny #fandom transmisogyny

[redheadlesbianfreak]

I know that I'm a little late to the James Somerton thing but I wanted to make my own post about this. I started watching James when I was 20 during the pandemic. It made me feel comforted to watch someone talk about queer theory in film, especially because I found out so many films I never heard about. His stuff did make me very passionate about queer history as well, and led me to start seeking more of it. I took a queer literature class in University (one of my fav classes) and I started watching more queer creators.

I grew up in Texas and Mississippi (the Deep South) in a pretty conservative environment. I started to break free of that in middle school and high school, though I was still very ignorant. I think I knew I was queer for a long time, but it took me a while to come out. I felt that I was around queer people who were somewhat hostile and wouldn't believe me. This is because I identified as ace for a little while. People were either actively hostile about that or they acted like it was a dumb identity that didn't matter. I also don't know if I'm cis or not, all I know is that I really relate to the experiences of the trans community.

I kept watching James' stuff over the years. I fell for the hole "academic queer" vibe. He talked so much about queer erasure that I thought he cared deeply about it. I felt connected to the queer community when I watched his content. He talked about trans and sapphic experiences so I thought he cared about that--turns out he stole all of that. All my favorite videos of his were stolen, word for word, from queer writers. All of the passion, all of the great writing, that was stolen. I thought I was watching someone who cared about queer history, but he was actively erasing it and harming other creators.

There were some things that I noticed. He mentioned the indie movie studio and I thought that was weird. I thought his Attack on Titan video was extremely weird and made a lot of non-points. I also remember disagreeing with a lot of it because he just said a bunch of nothing. I thought that it was weird he mainly talked about mainstream culture (Disney, MCU, etc.) rather than less well known pieces of queer media. And there were quite a few videos I didn't watch because there were so many of them (not sure how I didn't suspect that he was a content mill). Some of his videos were incredibly intriguing (because he stole good writing) while others were boring, so there was a lot of inconsistency.

I'm incredibly pissed at this man, and it's hard not to be pissed at myself. I didn't watch every single video by this dude, but I did watch enough. I think that I have a lot to examine about myself when it comes to picking up racism/misogyny/transphobia. Especially when he dressed up all his points to be "progressive" and "academic." I didn't pick up on things like "bad vibes" from this man. I'm not really sure what bad vibes even look like? I also didn't pick up on the fact that his writing style constantly changed. Even with all the strange shit, I still gave him the benefit of the doubt because he was queer and that was way too trusting and that's something I need to work on.

As for the misogyny thing, especially when it comes to queer women and trans/AFAB people. He said a lot of blatantly lesbophobic, biphobic, and transphobic things while downplaying the experiences of everyone who wasn't a cis gay. What James was saying about women in his videos is how a lot of people talk about queer women in the queer community. Especially in fandom spaces. Misogyny is so rampant on the Internet that it can be hard for me to pick up on it as a queer woman. So many people talk about how lesbians want every female character to be gay or how bisexual women are "fujoshis" constantly trying to fetishize gay men.

I hope this makes sense, but it feels like I'm being gaslit when it comes to misogyny because of how often I see it. It's hard for me to tell if I'm being oversensitive or if someone is actually being misogynistic to me. So many progressive men that I trusted have been misogynistic to me and that can be a lot. James was someone I trusted and defended. I even recommended him to people. It's something I'm still disappointed in myself for doing, but I'd like to think I've grown as a queer person since watching his channel. There are so many great queer creators out there and I definitely need to make a recommendation list in the near future.

#personal #james somerton #hbomberguy #long post #sorry to post about this so much #this whole thing really upset me #i'd also like to make a post going into fandom misogyny #especially fandom biphobia/lesbophobia/transmisogyny/etc

[princessefemmelesbian]

Seeing descriptions of other people's ocs and how so few of them are lesbians makes me so sad. Especially when they have multiple bi/pan and gay mlm and aroace people but only like one or two lesbians. Granted, in a lot of these cases it only seems like there are less lesbians but really there are about the same amount as other sexualities, but I feel like most people don't tend to have a lot of lesbian ocs regardless unless they themselves are lesbians and that's really saddening. That's why most of my ocs are lesbians, although tbf I myself am a lesbian ahahaha. But still. 😢

#i've never seen an oc cast that had more than two lesbians #but i've seen plenty with multiple bi people #this isn't a dig on bi people at all btw since i feel like most of these creators are bi #in which case more power to you! #it's just a really common thing and idk it's just my thoughts and it makes me sad #on the bright side it means i can latch onto the one or two lesbians that i see! #but still #lesbian #lesbophobia #fandom lesbophobia #lesbian erasure #or maybe not really or at least not on purpose but still! #op

[thisismisogynoir]

Hey this is pretty out of the blue but.. have u ever thought about how much wlw/lesbian relationships are kinda ignored in fandoms? It kinda just hit me, ever since i got into this one game's fandom I realized (unless the fandom is known to have alot of queer people in it) Canon lesbian ships are so often ignored or sidelined in fandom to make way for other ships.. Especially if one or both of them are POC. I know mlm and wlw are both in the struggle together and stuff but i never see this kind of hate and denial directed towards mlm ships. It just kinda hurts when the important, canon lesbian ship in a story is completely ignored by the fandom to make way for main character boy x random male side character number 4.

Or sometimes, actually no, MOST OF THE TIME one of the characters in the lesbian ship is shipped with another guy!! It's so sad and if you ever try to speak up against it you're immediately yelled at because "let people ship what they wanna ship!!" or even told that you're erasing bisexuality (even though said character has never implied that they were into men 😕). Like yes sure people can ship what they wanna ship but wlw relationships are so sidelined and hated on. Especially if the ship is actually focused on and developed, people start calling it forced. I rarely see this kind of hatred and vitriol directed to mlm ships, lesbophobia is so common in fandoms and its never talked about.. I'm so sorry if this ask is a little random 😅 It's just that you're the only blogger i know that engages with fandom crit and expresses alot about your opinions, I love reading your takes on stuff because of how much you explain and talk about what you think :D

Yes, I have noticed it! I talk about it a lot on my other blog, just check out the tag fandom lesbophobia.

It's super upsetting. Fandom is happy to center male characters, but will only begrudgingly give women the time of day when a man is involved.

And shipping lesbian characters with guys is my ultimate fandom pet peeve.

#lesbian #lesbophobia #fandom lesbophobia

[samble]

i know nobody cares about this but me, but the way people still in 2024 think homura is some Obsessive Evil Psycho Abuser™ who wanted everyone but madoka to die horribly drives me up a wall. like, did we watch the same anime/movie(s)? are you just so blinded by hatred of homura that you flat out ignore canon entirely? what is it.

#ableism m #i guess #pmmm #'homura HATES the others and wants them to DIE HORRIBLY because she's an EVIL PSYCHO' #ignoring that she tried to prevent mami's death spent 10+yrs trying to save ALL her friends offered to leave the city if she/kyoko won #yet people will ignore any and all evidence of homura being not even a good but even just a DECENT person #bc 'nooo.... she's an evil meanie stalker abuser !!!! 1!!/' #she's 14 + also this 'take' isn't canonical #like even madoka IN CANON says she could never hate homura iirc etc etc etc #(i think a big part of it is lesbophobia tbh) #(and before anyone says im crazy ive literally seen homura called 'lesbian' the same way she's called 'stalker' ie as an insult) #(and So many bring up the 'psycho lesbian trope' for her...showing affection openly to another girl? and being weird about it bc trauma?) #(and the amount of fandom 'jokes' and stuff of her being perverted for being gay or even a fucking Rapist doesn't help) #rape m #in tags

[friendamedes]

userbox: This Blog Believes In Butch Harrowhark Nonagesimus

#lmaooo. but seriously #id say i was shocked by the lesbophobia (& specifically butchphobia) in the tlt fandom but like #it's fairly par for the course i think. honestly. #'we love butches! we love gnc characters!' until they are actually butch (or hairy or fat or brown etc etc) #have been saying this for YEARSSSS #quinn txt #anyway

[brw]

like no fandom is not activism no fandom is not an obligation BUT also literally everything we do is impacted by social and political bias and i think it is worth it to talk about misogyny and a complete lack of interest in exploring women characters and women relationships in canon in fandom. fandom is no less capable of misogyny than society already is and it's absolutely a valid discussion and criticism to have of it, especially considering how feminist a lot of people argue fandom is or at least is supposed to be, and yet when it comes to giving women characters an opportunity to be developed the same way they give that opportunity to men, that simply isn't there.

#brieuc.txt #a lot of posts criticising fandom misogyny and lesbophobia and yes more please . lets talk about it.

[actual-changeling]

the fandom before season 2: wow lesbians!!!! women!!!!! muriel yay finally an important angel played by a female actor

the fandom after s2 release: ....anyway. look, men! and i guess those backgrounds characters over there, wommeen or whatever

#alex yells at the void #im not gonna say it im not gonna say it im not gonna say it #actually fuck that i will say it #misogyny and lesbophobia are fucking RAMPANT in this fandom and it shows there i said it #not even when it's ineffable wives does anyone give a single shit about them #unless they're male presenting and have dicks the fandom has zero interest in a character #yes im angry and venting and what about it #you know im right