#chuckwon

[deancaslvr]

supernatural is really insane when you think about it a little too long

the show actively turned from “demons are a big deal” to ah it’s a pretty shitty weekend with everyone gone let’s go thanos snap literal god with lucifers child who was born because lucifer possessed the president of the United States then banged his secretary.

also the spawn of Satan got turned into a tiny dog by a 300+ year old witch to sneak into a vet and steal anti-venom to solve a case of a demi-god who was eating gay people while doing that case dean had the ARCHANGEL Michael trapped in a shitty bar inside his noggin.

#supernatural #spn #destiel #castiel #spnfamily #dean winchester #deancas #superwholock #the winchesters #samwinchester #jackkline #god #spnfandom #supernaturalowesmetherapy #Jensen ackles #mishacollins #chuckwon #supernaturalfandom #a03 #archive of our own #mary winchester

[charcubed]

Hi. I tend to forget that tumblr exists and just shout all my thoughts about The Winchesters on Twitter @CharCubed, which is a problem, but for once in my life I'm posting something here!

Here are some broad Thoughts on where I've landed of what this season 1 finale of The Winchesters offered–

• I very much want season 2 of this show SO badly. I want to see how they all continue to build their lives now that we know tragedy need not be their end! THIS IS THE HEALING SHOW. That whole cast gets to write their own story... "the only thing that's worse than how it starts for a hunter is how it ends" is no longer the case, as Carlos already said... and Dean helped to free them? That fucks.

• In regards to those possibilities: now that Dean would no longer be framing the prequel as a story he's telling, it frees the prequel up to no longer be doubling as Dean's story through revealing mirroring–which is very much what it's been doing for 12 episodes. Now the monster plots and the storylines for those characters in The Winchesters can also be diversified, so every episode no longer has to include, for example... [checks notes] a situation where a character is literally and/or metaphorically trapped and has to confront their trauma, break cycles of violence, and speak truths to be freed. It's been very Loud and very much Like This Constantly because it's Dean's story, but now it won't have to be anymore, which is an interesting thing to contemplate! (To be clear, for those unaware of my history of yelling about this show: I love that it was Like This. This show is fucking genius.)

• Initially, this finale had some alarm bells pinging in my brain but then I parsed the Reasons for those things. Mary told John she had "Something to say," right? And then she never says it. That's a Chekhov's gun that's never fired and it's of course paralleling how Dean has "something to say" to Cas too. Them not speaking that truth is a problem. In addition, we also got a montage eerily akin to the 15x19 one. But these callbacks / parallels to s15 all loudly indicate something very specific: The Winchesters is an unfinished story, and this finale (like the rest of this show) is mirroring and revealing truths about the prime narrative of SPN. For one thing, with the prequel they originally expected to have 22 or so episodes and ended up having 13 to work with. For another... this is the START of their story, not the end. So along those lines, what can we deduce about the end of season 15? (Hint: that finale is not an ending either.)

• Speaking of which: We learn that everything Dean was just doing takes place in the ~heavenly~ time period before Sam “dies." This all functionally happened right after Dean died as he drove down that road. He is restless, unmoored, grieving, and–this is key–considers his "ending" to be an unhappy happy one. He's fucking around and finding out, looking for and unpacking (through his narration) what he needs and wants for HIS happy ending to look like. He found out about the Akrida being a failsafe from Chuck and couldn't resist meddling to save everyone. It's also worth noting that Dean says to Jack something like, "If you have to kick me out of Heaven then that's fine." Between the lines is the thought of "please kick me out of Heaven, I'm causing problems because I'm grieving and I'm not done, I don't want this 'peace' but would rather have freedom." That in itself is a massive subversion of the SPN finale, to say nothing of the previous 12 episodes we've received.

Anyway. So in terms of Dean's story, we now know that this all takes place smack in the middle of 15x20 timeline-wise. This checks out because Bobby's presence connects to him being the only one we saw in 15x20. And... what I personally consider to be Jack's incredibly fucked up or ~potentially taken over by Chuck~ vibes are, in that sense, consistent with 15x19 as well. (I'm so sorry but please let me drop this cursed "Alex Calvert playing Chuck" joke by Jensen from August 2022 which haunts me.)

So: nothing about the concept that @chuckwon at the end of season 15 has been confirmed or denied in canon at this point. The idea that Chuck LOST, as Dean says here, is simply what Dean may still be thinking (which makes sense). But nothing has fundamentally changed about the state of how season 15 left things in the prime narrative yet... largely because that's not what this story is / was about.

In terms of what this finale presented to us, I think "Chuck won" potential was all deliberately left open. And I continue to Call Bullshit on the finale accordingly. A Chuck won plot line COULD be used in a future sequel to great affect, or it could NOT be used in a future sequel. That will be totally up to the future authors / team behind that potential sequel to see what story they choose to tell, and where it all may or may not go. But until then (on that front) right now it's the same shit, different show, and deliberately literally nothing about that potential has changed.

• I LOVE all of the above now that I've parsed it all in my brain. It makes perfect sense. Much like we were never going see the gay angel pop up in this show and kiss Dean (with apologies to anyone who somehow thought otherwise?)... leaving other things open like this is fantastic and the objectively correct call. Dean's story is HIS story to be furthered elsewhere, whereas this show belonged and continues to belong to its cast of characters who must take center stage. But through this story within a story narrated by Dean himself, we learned a hell of a lot about his state of mind as it actively stands in 15x20. Or more accurately: the entire show reinforces and reiterates comprehensively and repeatedly that the SPN finale was wrong and bad and not the end of the story at all, and now canonically and openly and in no uncertain terms that that's how Dean feels too.

• AND THUS: season 1 of The Winchesters works as deeply clever and layered commentary on Supernatural's ending and presents the stepping stone for a sequel continuation for Dean and his family. It's also the beginning of a new chapter with endless potential for The Winchesters' cast of characters who are not tied to fate or main timeline.

I fucking love it here.

Truly, madly, deeply: ALL HAIL ROBBIE THOMPSON.

And seriously, I really hope we get a season 2 because I adore all of the prequel's characters on their own merit and I want to see what their story can become :')

#the winchesters #spnwin #spnwin meta #the winchesters meta #dean winchester #GO LITTLE ROCKSTAR. FUCK SHIT UP #chuck won theory #chuck won meta #char writes things #ON TUMBLR? NO WAY. #I will likely reblog this to the chuckwon blog eventually

[catsconflictscopicsandchamomile]

Shit’s been Crazy so it’s not all posted yet, but here. Two god damn years in the making.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/42248466/chapters/106079985#workskin

#spn #destiel #november 5th #supernatural #jensen ackles #misha collins #fanfic #meta #folklore #hurt/comfort #worldbuilding #loredrop #fix-it fic #@chuckwon

[freackthejester]

Loving the thinking and riverposting about how the Town Won. It makes a lot of sense, and feeds into my feeling like the Riverdale finale was the kind of ending I was picturing for the Supernatural finale, and how people came out of that saying that #ChuckWon.

It's been said before, but let's reiterate. The characters realize that they are only the part of a larger narrative, and that they are not in control of their lives, of their place on a chessboard larger than they are. Whatever choices they make are in a maze set up by something else. And then. Somehow, they break free and turn god into a mortal guy or become gay and move to califfornia.

But not matter what, you are going to end up driving a classic car that is too clean around on the same highway in Canada. There's an emptiness in that life that is inherent to the medium, and it's a hell of a place to be. In the end, you were a product too be consumed, just workers fighting against being what people want you to be, but you are fake people, lacking that thing, an ability to be disliked uncensored and boring that only a real people can have.

It is a good thing for the people inside Riverdale that Riverdale ended, I think. But it did win, first.

#i say stuff #riverdale #town won #I watched like many hours and hours of riverdale yesterday #It's real jinglejangle to my system right now

[lifblogs]

@chuckwon Look what came in!

#spn #chuck won

[bedlund]

so you were happy dean got a dog in the finale?? you know what dog is spelled backwards, right? 🤨 #chuckwon

#me.txt

[pregstiel]

if they ever do a spn remake they need to put me in the writers' room because with my sexy and immaculate energy i would get it marketed as a cut and dry reboot before revealing 3 episodes in that this is actually just another chuck reboot (#chuckwon) and solving the original show. destiel would also be canon btw

[charcubed]

They literally mentioned Swan Song (peace or freedom?) in the episode where Fucked Up Jack Who Might Actually Be Chuck semi-threateningly told Dean to get around to the part of the song that says “there’ll be peace when you are done.”

In contrast to the whole prequel show where Dean, as narrator in control, has been picking the music.

Bitch.

I remain on my bullshit (@chuckwon).

#the Winchesters #spnwin #spnwin meta #the Winchesters meta #sitting straight up at 1:30am like FUCK ME #Chuck won theory #chartxt

[catsconflictscopicsandchamomile]

spn 15x20 explanation masterpost pt 1

Dean's last words to Sam in 15x20 are a copy of his last words from 9x23. The direction, pacing & framing of the scenes also match.

Iron and nails are common weapons against demons in-canon, while rebar & similar are regularly used as stakes.

A nail that size shouldn't have been fatal, especially not within minutes. Despite this, Dean immediately knew that he was dying and specifically told Sam not to bring him back OR take him to a hospital.

Though extremely out-of-character for him, Dean's behavior as he dies is similar to how many creatures in spn react to iron and/or stakes.

In s10, Demon!Dean was canonically weak to iron.

TLDR: Dean had been a demon for some amount of time before 15x20, and like most demons, an iron stake through the back is fatal.

(While likely a trick of the light, Dean's eyes briefly flicker black during his death in 15x20, and his face appears more jagged & uncanny as well.)

...Also, Chuck Won. Obviously.

If anyone is interested in the Sam, Cas, Jack etc sides of this analysis, lmk.

@genderanged @unhumanatural @those-aspen-woods @measured-words @chuckwon @very-offkey-kazoo pspspspsps come get yall lore

#this guy got staked BY a vampire jfc #supernatural #spn #deanmon #demon!dean #spn meta #rusty nail #spn 15x20 #supernatural theories #chuck won theory #chuck won truthing #dean winchester #Youtube

[spookybidean]

#chuckwon

#this is absolute bullshit #el sol #el fucking sol my dudes #also 3 sheep’s sign?????????????? #jerry wanek explain #late seasons liveblog #15x20 for ts