#carceral feminism

[joy-haver]

#uncaptioned #memes #cluster b #narcissism #NPD #aspd #anti terf #carceral feminism #prison abolition #pop sci #pop psychology #true crime #rose baker

[aronarchy]

does anyone else find it incredibly disturbing that TERFs call female prisons “women’s spaces,” as if they are a thing that belongs to women/are legitimate things that women should want/be ok with rather than violently imposed & to be rejected and resisted

#carceral feminism #OP #prison abolition

[deadassdiaspore]

#carceral state #carceral feminism #police state #Black liberation #tw prison #tw violent imagery #prison industrial complex #prison abolition

[bookofshitposts]

Feminism’s embrace of carceralism, like it or not, gives progressive cover to a system whose function is to prevent a political reckoning with material inequality.

Amia Srinivasan, “Sex, Carceralism, Capitalism”, The Right to Sex

#amia srinivasan #the right to sex #words #feminism #carceral feminism #acab

[if-you-fan-a-fire]

"MORE DESERTERS AND WIFE-BEATERS," Montreal Gazette. October 15, 1913. Page 5. --- Society for Protection of Women and Children Handle Increased Cases ---- LAW NOT ACTED UPON ---- Legislation Providing That Husband in Jail Should Support Wife Adopted, but Not Enforced ---- The need of enforcing legislation for the protection of wives from dissolute husbands is emphasized this year to an even greater extent than formerly by the steady increase in the number of cases dealt with by the Society for the Protection of Women and Children according to Mr. O. H. Skroder, secretary of that body. This Increase he believes, is to a great extent due to the non-enforcement of existing laws, as well as the need for more severity in dealing with wife deserters.

An amendment was passed some five years ago providing that prisoners confined on such charges should be given work to do, and paid wages, their earnings to be devoted to the support of their families.

The increase in cases dealt with by the society has been noticeable for some time, most of such cases being wife desertion and wife beating. In June, July and August of 1912, 215 cases were dealt with, while during the same three months of the present year this number grew to 260. In September of last year the cases numbered 96, while last month there were 108 This increase has been steady, the number of cases increasing almost every month during the year, and it is feared that if some remedial measures are not taken the coming winter will be one of much hardship.

LAW ALREADY PROVIDED. The solution for much of the trouble according to Mr. Skroder lies in the enforcement of the law providing for the payment of wages to prisoners. About five years ago an amendment was introduced at Quebec and passed providing that men confined in jail on charges of wife desertion or similar offences where the wife and family had no means of support should be paid for their work during the term of the sentence such wages to be given for the support of the family. When the amendment had been passed and the first prisoner sentenced under its provisions it was found that there was no money to pay him wages. The city denied responsibility and the Government took no further action. Towards the end of the year the Society for the Protection of Women and Children usually introduces amendments which it desires to be made by the Provincial Government, and this matter may be taken up next month.

A case illustrating the need for such an amendment came to the notice of the Society yesterday, a man being convicted by Judge Lanctot and his wife and two children left absolutely without support. It appears some weeks ago he went to a hotel in Lachine, living there with his family, but paying nothing. He repeatedly told the proprietor that he was expecting mail from England with a cheque and on entering the hotel always asked if this mail had come. A few days ago it was discovered that he had left instructions for letters to be sent to the Montreal Post Office, and as he owed about $60, a warrant was obtained for his arrest. He was convicted yesterday morning, and will be sentenced next week. Meanwhile his wife and two children, one two years, and the other two weeks old; were left penniless. They were taken to the Sheltering Home yesterday until something can be done for them, but should the husband's sentence prove to be a long one such charitable institutions are not always able to maintain the family indefinitely."

#montreal #society for the protection of women and children #child savers #non-support #wife desertion #tough on crime #carceral feminism #middle class reformers #wife beater #restitution #women's shelter #crime and punishment in canada #history of crime and punishment in canada

[xbloodxwaterx]

If me wanting abusers/r@pists in jail makes me a carceral feminist I will happily accept that label.

People who violate the lives/bodies of others deserve no mercy.

#actuallymentallyill #carceral feminism #actuallytraumatized #rant post #anti radfem #Olisunvia is a fucking idiot

[notchainedtotrauma]

I think of Debbie Africa, who gave birth secretly in prison, how the other women prisoners used sounds to shield her birth process. They protected the two of them from guards so that she and the baby were able to share precious time together, undetected for days. I think of Assata Shakur too, impossibly conceiving and giving birth to her daughter while being a political prisoner, mostly in solitary confinement. And how she listened to her angry daughter, and the dreams of her grandmother when they told her she could be free. They could be together.

from Undrowned: Black Feminist Lessons from Marine Mammals by Alexis Pauline Gumbs

#Alexis Pauline Gumbs #Debbie Africa #Assata Shakur #the carceral state is waiting #quotidian surveillance is business as usual #Blackness as possibilities #the possibilities of refusal #Black feminism #we bow our heads in worship #rearing Black children #tenderness as a lingering touch #care is the sweetest touch

[shirkers2018dirsanditan]

i know that abolition got memefied two years ago and some people became insanely obnoxious about it in the shallowest way possible and that abolitionist feminism can be absent or impotent in the popular discourse. but wayyyyyy too many people have gotten deeply reactionary about abolishing prisons and policing and refuse to engage in any serious way with the abolitionist perspective. and maybe you are blessed to not have loved someone who was incarcerated. but many of us have. the prison system killed my cousin. have a bit of empathy here

#i hate takes on carceral feminism but im not going to pretend the response from some feminists hasn’t been completely reactionary because #it absolutely has #the prison system hurts women in ways it does not hurt men #incarcerated women are left out on their own #and their needs are infinite

[questioningespecialy]

re: Tory Lanez getting 10 years for shooting Megan Thee Stallion

Gonna quote my response to the Waving the Red Flag podcast discussing this yesterday. (timestamped @ 48:57)

Y'all lookin' at this from a punishment POV. Mofo, what good does somebody being outta society (and outta their loved ones' lives*) for x years do? You'll feel safe for the duration, sure, assumin' they don't send someone your way, but what improved? Was there a lesson to learn from losing x years of your life? A lesson beyond "don't get caught"? This some basic-ass children shit tbh. I get wantin' somebody to suffer (as a form of revenge especially), but wtf is the actual point when the suffering is x years of their life? They either 1) came out scared of consequences (and traumatized), 2) came out mad as hell (and traumatized), or 3) came out having learned a lesson that surely would've been more effectively taught through actual rehabilitation (and traumatized). Do I want abusers to suffer for their actions? yeah Would I rather they just become better people through healthy means? 👈🏿👈🏿 edit: About the "outta their loved ones' lives" part, there's gonna be people who want (and need) the abuser around for whatever reason. Just factoring them into it since they're affected too. Should've probably said "dependents", though. 🤔

Gonna provide oliSUNvia's "why does mainstream feminism support the prison system?" video for some context of sorts for my opinion. Not assuming she'd agree with me, though. (before y'all claim some shit)

Gonna link @reasoningdaily's post about the case since it's informative.

#regarding #opinions #returned from the Shadowrealm #tory lanez shooting megan thee stallion #megan thee stallion #tory lanez #carceral feminism vs abolitionist feminism #restorative & transformative justice #transformative justice #restorative justice #prison #incarceration #potential hot take #Waving the Red Flag #YouTube #Nebula.tv #remember when Daba & Reach used the shooting to go anti-Black?

[please-picturemeintheweeds]

I have Opinions about the discussion that pops up every few months about the ethics of labeling JM an abuser but I am afraid of the vague posts and anon hate I would get if I posted them 🫠 which probably means I should be brave and post them. Speak now or whatever she said lol

#this topic is so very nuanced in pretty much every possible way #and it is not nearly as simple as any of the takes I have seen so far about this #JM #tw abuse #abuse #c #trauma #there’s some sticky nuance around parasocial relationships and the nature of celebrity status #also the whole Thing about cancel culture and how labeling people abusers is steeped in carceral feminism and actively harms survivors #plus the value of learning language for your experiences and learning about what abuse is from pop culture #so there’s an important element of sharing information and learning about abuse as a way of empowering survivors who may not Know Yet #if we’re comfortable talking about the relationship dynamics in her love songs we need to be comfy talking about them in WCS and dear john #we can’t expect Taylor - a survivor (long story short I survived) to owe the public a statement about John Fucking Mayer #there’s legal garbage! he would SUE HER IF SHE SAID THAT #she is treading a very fine line with what she says publicly - something that most survivors also experience (but #her discography is quite literal with how she handles Trauma: flashbacks triggers insomnia paranoia trust issues etc #it’s all there and we need to be careful about paternalizing survivors and that is actually compatable with not buying into cancel culture #his actions as described by her + things he himself has said in interviews at various points are textbook abuse #and pointing that out is valuable. #telling john Mayer to kill himself on Twitter is Not Valuable. #she is not our little sister. she is a grown adult woman who is clearly processing her trauma #she has trusted her fans with her vulnerability and authenticity #and to brush it off and expect her to Perform Victimhood by making a public accusation against an extremely powerful man in her industry???? #whoops I ranted in my tags but yeah it’s nuanced as hell #would’ve could’ve should’ve hours #would’ve could’ve should’ve #all that said!! I definitely understand and empathize with the sentiment of letting survivors tell their own stories and not forcing labels #In the hypothetical situation where she sees us discussing and learning from her art and her life story: #is that forcing something on her? or is that critically engaging with her art? #she said midnights is autobiographical and she said 19 and called him the devil who stole her girlhood come on

[dhaaruni]

Sorry to sound like it's 2014 but Lorde going, "But I got my fingers laced together and I made a little prison/And I'm locking up everyone that ever laid a finger on me" in "Yellow Flicker Beat" really did something to my 19-year-old brain.

#Lorde #Music #Personal #I'm sure that would be deemed carceral feminism today smh

[kalamity-jayne]

Seriously!? Hey NYT, here's the answer to your dumb question: there's no such thing as a feminist jail. The carceral state is antithetical to feminism.

#feminism #prison #carceral state #prison industrial complex

[killjoyfem]

“carceral feminism” is the stupidest term y’all ever came up with. women wanting their abusers/rapists/etc behind bars is common sense. we already live in a world where these people don’t get locked up for what they do lmao.

#radblr #prison abolition #feminism

[fatehbaz]

Just in case, some might enjoy. Had to organize some notes.

These are just some of the newer texts that had been promoted in the past few years at the online home of the American Association of Geographers. At: [https://www.aag.org/new-books-for-geographers/]

Tried to narrow down selections to focus on critical/radical geography; Indigenous, Black, anticolonial, oceanic/archipelagic, carceral, abolition, Latin American geographies; futures and place-making; colonial and imperial imaginaries; emotional ecologies and environmental perception; confinement, escape, mobility; housing/homelessness; literary and musical ecologies.

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New stuff, early 2024:

A Caribbean Poetics of Spirit (Hannah Regis, University of the West Indies Press, 2024)

Constructing Worlds Otherwise: Societies in Movement and Anticolonial Paths in Latin America (Raúl Zibechi and translator George Ygarza Quispe, AK Press, 2024)

Fluid Geographies: Water, Science, and Settler Colonialism in New Mexico (K. Maria D. Lane, University of Chicago Press, 2024)

Hydrofeminist Thinking With Oceans: Political and Scholarly Possibilities (Tarara Shefer, Vivienne Bozalek, and Nike Romano, Routledge, 2024)

Making the Literary-Geographical World of Sherlock Holmes: The Game Is Afoot (David McLaughlin, University of Chicago Press, 2025)

Mapping Middle-earth: Environmental and Political Narratives in J. R. R. Tolkien’s Cartographies (Anahit Behrooz, Bloomsbury Publishing, 2024)

Midlife Geographies: Changing Lifecourses across Generations, Spaces and Time (Aija Lulle, Bristol University Press, 2024)

Society Despite the State: Reimagining Geographies of Order (Anthony Ince and Geronimo Barrera de la Torre, Pluto Press, 2024)

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New stuff, 2023:

The Black Geographic: Praxis, Resistance, Futurity (Camilla Hawthorne and Jovan Scott Lewis, Duke University Press, 2023)

Activist Feminist Geographies (Edited by Kate Boyer, Latoya Eaves and Jennifer Fluri, Bristol University Press, 2023)

The Silences of Dispossession: Agrarian Change and Indigenous Politics in Argentina (Mercedes Biocca, Pluto Press, 2023)

The Sovereign Trickster: Death and Laughter in the Age of Dueterte (Vicente L. Rafael, Duke University Press, 2022)

Ottoman Passports: Security and Geographic Mobility, 1876-1908 (İlkay Yılmaz, Syracuse University Press, 2023)

The Practice of Collective Escape (Helen Traill, Bristol University Press, 2023)

Maps of Sorrow: Migration and Music in the Construction of Precolonial AfroAsia (Sumangala Damodaran and Ari Sitas, Columbia University Press, 2023)

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New stuff, late 2022:

B.H. Roberts, Moral Geography, and the Making of a Modern Racist (Clyde R. Forsberg, Jr.and Phillip Gordon Mackintosh, Cambridge Scholars Publishing, 2022)

Environing Empire: Nature, Infrastructure and the Making of German Southwest Africa (Martin Kalb, Berghahn Books, 2022)

Sentient Ecologies: Xenophobic Imaginaries of Landscape (Edited by Alexandra Coțofană and Hikmet Kuran, Berghahn Books 2022)

Colonial Geography: Race and Space in German East Africa, 1884–1905 (Matthew Unangst, University of Toronto Press, 2022)

The Geographies of African American Short Fiction (Kenton Rambsy, University of Mississippi Press, 2022)

Knowing Manchuria: Environments, the Senses, and Natural Knowledge on an Asian Borderland (Ruth Rogaski, University of Chicago Press, 2022)

Punishing Places: The Geography of Mass Imprisonment (Jessica T. Simes, University of California Press, 2021)

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New stuff, early 2022:

Belly of the Beast: The Politics of Anti-fatness as Anti-Blackness (Da’Shaun Harrison, 2021)

Coercive Geographies: Historicizing Mobility, Labor and Confinement (Edited by Johan Heinsen, Martin Bak Jørgensen, and Martin Ottovay Jørgensen, Haymarket Books, 2021)

Confederate Exodus: Social and Environmental Forces in the Migration of U.S. Southerners to Brazil (Alan Marcus, University of Nebraska Press, 2021)

Decolonial Feminisms, Power and Place (Palgrave, 2021)

Krakow: An Ecobiography (Edited by Adam Izdebski & Rafał Szmytka, University of Pittsburgh Press, 2021)

Open Hand, Closed Fist: Practices of Undocumented Organizing in a Hostile State (Kathryn Abrams, University of California Press, 2022)

Unsettling Utopia: The Making and Unmaking of French India (Jessica Namakkal, 2021)

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New stuff, 2020 and 2021:

Mapping the Amazon: Literary Geography after the Rubber Boom (Amanda Smith, Liverpool University Press, 2021)

Geopolitics, Culture, and the Scientific Imaginary in Latin America (Edited by María del Pilar Blanco and Joanna Page, 2020)

Reconstructing public housing: Liverpool’s hidden history of collective alternatives (Matt Thompson, University of Liverpool Press, 2020)

The (Un)governable City: Productive Failure in the Making of Colonial Delhi, 1858–1911 (Raghav Kishore, 2020)

Multispecies Households in the Saian Mountains: Ecology at the Russia-Mongolia Border (Edited by Alex Oehler and Anna Varfolomeeva, 2020)

Urban Mountain Beings: History, Indigeneity, and Geographies of Time in Quito, Ecuador (Kathleen S. Fine-Dare, 2019)

City of Refuge: Slavery and Petit Marronage in the Great Dismal Swamp, 1763-1856 (Marcus P. Nevius, University of Georgia Press, 2020)

#abolition #ecology

[gatheringbones]

[“Feminism that welcomes police power is called carceral feminism. The sociologist Elizabeth Bernstein, one of the first to use this phrase, uses it to describe a feminist approach that prioritises a ‘law-and-order agenda’; a shift ‘from the welfare state to the carceral state as the enforcement apparatus for feminist goals’.

Carceral feminism focuses on policing and criminalisation as the key ways to deliver justice to women. Carceral feminism has gained popularity even though the police – and the wider criminal justice system – are key perpetrators of violence against women. In the United States, police officers are disproportionately likely to be violent or abusive to their partners or children. At work, they commit vast numbers of assaults, rapes, or harassment. Sexual assault is the second-most commonly reported form of police violence in the United States (after excessive use of force), and on-duty police commit sexual assaults at more than double the rate of the general US population. Those are just the assaults that make it into the statistics: many will never dare to make a report to an abuser’s colleague.

Meanwhile, the very nature of police work involves perpetrating violence: in arrests or when they collaborate in incarceration, surveillance, or deportation. In 2017, there was outrage in the United Kingdom when it emerged that the Metropolitan Police had arrested a woman on immigration charges after she came to them as a victim of rape. However, it is routine for police to threaten to arrest or deport migrant sex workers, even when the worker in question has come to them as a victim of violence.

Carceral feminism looms large in sex-trade debates. Feminist commentators pronounce that ‘we must strengthen police apparatus’;that criminalisation is ‘the only way’ to end the sex trade; and that some criminalisation can be relatively ‘benign’. Anti-prostitution feminist Catherine MacKinnon even writes with ambivalent approval of ‘brief jail time’ for prostitutes on the basis that jail can be ‘a respite from the pimps and the street’. She quotes like-minded feminists who argue that ‘jail is the closest thing many women in prostitution have to a battered women’s shelter’ and that, ‘considering the absence of any other refuge or shelter, jail provides a temporary safe haven’.

Sex workers do not share this rosy view of arrest and incarceration. One sex worker in Norway told researchers, ‘You only call the police if you think you’re going to die … If you call the police, you risk losing everything’”]

molly smith, juno mac, from revolting prostitutes: the fight for sex workers’ rights, 2018

#molly smith #juno mac #currently reading #history stuff

[loving-n0t-heyting]

hi, I was re-reading some of your posts about anti-male sexism in the prison system (from jan 22nd), and was wondering if you could elaborate on your arguments some more? While I do understand how men tend to receive harsher sentencing, I don't think that they are treated worse than female prisoners necessarily? Both experience different forms of sexual and physical violence, but I'm not sure how this demonstrates anti-male sexism? I do really want to know what you think in good-faith; I didn't know how women were over-represented in prosecution which is kind of eye-opening

first off i should correct a confusion: women are not over-represented among cali prosecutors; prosecutors here are female at about the same rate as attorneys generally (~45%). the reason i brought this ratio up was not to suggest women play a particularly important role in this disproportionate incarceration of men, but that it is not the exclusive work of men, which is a common way of dismissing allegations of misandry: "its just men doing it to themselves!"

i think that gets to one difference between how i think we should understand misandry and the strawman that a lot of misandrists keen to denounce the concept bring up: its not an "axis of oppression" (which is not imo a particularly helpful lens by which to think about the world) but a societal prejudice. men are, overwhelmingly disproportionately and even when similarly situated, treated as dangerous and unclean and predatory and disposable, in need of being kept away from ppl whose safety and purity fetches a higher price

disproportionately severe treatment at almost every stage of the criminal process is one obvious manifestation of this, historically much higher rates of quasi-carceral psychiatric confinement pre-deinstitutionalisation is another.* im not sure why you dont consider this in and of itself a form of injustice, going to prison in my country is just about the worst social fate i can imagine for anyone, and the fact men are not only far and away more likely to be condemned there but more likely even controlling for similarity of criminal circumstances seems like an obvious knockdown argument for the horrifying reality of misandry

these are obviously extreme examples, but i think similar patterns play out in most ppls lives very regularly. which is why i can be reflexively hostile: this all seems so obvious to me i assume it must be to others as well, so my first instinct is to assume malice

idt these prejudices are unique to women, liberals, leftists, or feminists. similar fundamental distrust of men is talked about just as openly on the opposite end of the political spectrum. but i think the way ppl dismiss these concerns in communities friendly to feminism is both pretty unique and quite bad

*(some ppl in the thread were complaining about how this doesnt hold for contemporary inpatient hospitalisations. this apples/oranges: large mental hospitals in their heyday played a very different and harsher role than being forced to spend a couple of weeks in the psych ward, and ppl blithely comparing one to the other are just parading their ignorance. state mental hospitals, the actual direct institutional successors to the madhouses of yore, are basically nowadays adjuncts to the carceral system itself, and thus skew overwhelmingly male; see p. 10 here)

#ask #anon