#both sides are not wrong

[astraskylark]

I mean, Ruby literally had a panic attack and was almost killed by the Jabberwalker and just as Yang was about to ask if she was okay they got distracted by Jaune and completely brushed what happened to her aside, again.

She had a panic attack mid battle, which as a huntress is literally life threatening. And they didn't have the time to address that. It's not anyone's fault of course. There's a lot of stuff happening. But.

Ruby's anger is justified. Her team is not to blame. It's so complicated and spicy like dayum I cannot wait for the next ep.

#rwby #rwby spoilers #ruby rose #weiss schnee #blake belladonna #yang xiao long #like #i get it #both sides are not wrong #but the way she screamed make believe friends #the 'paper is more important than me? cause im the leader i have to get up?' #well fuck that #damn ruby #you deserve a little breakdown as a treat

[camembri]

you wanted zoro to be on whole cake island to fulfil your weird desire to see zoro punish sanji. I wanted zoro on whole cake island because I think he's stupid enough to right place wrong time the plan and accidentally marry Sanji in full view of the whole wedding party in what becomes the most elaborately constructed comedy of errors ever written. we are NOT the same.

#need a fic where zoro genuinely does marry sanji on wci without planning it #type of thing to happen to goofy pre ts zoro #zoro in the same mindset in which he created the usopp sword: well i didn't mean to but i guess this solves the immediate problem #and ofc he just rolls with it #they look at each other after the dust settles like. hey wtf was that. and immediately blame each other #pre relationship AND feelings realisation on both sides #dont get me wrong i love fake relationship that becomes real but hear me out #legal accidental relationship thats extremely convenient and also funny until you pavlov yourself into being in love #vinsmoke sanji #black leg sanji #roronoa zoro #zosan #one piece #sanzo #zoro

[airoarts]

Leader and deputy

[Image description: a digital painting of Squirrelstar and Ivypool from Warriors. Squirrelstar is a small dark red cat with green eyes, standing in front of the much taller Ivypool, a gray tabby-and-white cat with blue eyes and many battle scars. The background is dark blue. end ID]

#i havent read a new wc book in years (They are not very good) but have been keeping up with The Happenings recently cause its fun #when was the last time there was a female leader+deputy? leopardstar and mistyfoot??????? #anyway so happy forthem i hope they dont both die immediately #warriors #warrior cats #wc #squirrelstar #squirrelflight #ivypool #art #2023 #I have actually been doodling a ton of cat designs like in classes in the last couple months lol #havent posted them because theyre just Designs and so many people post those all the time but if i get one (1) ask about it i can post them #also just have not felt like posting art recently even though ive been doing it. LOL #worried about squirrelstar cause um. i know cat ages have been generally increasing but she is older than her dad was when he died #if wc wiki ages are to be believed #her husband just retired to be an old man and she took his job #well whatever... i dont even read the books... i dont care... tch #ALSO EDITED CAUSE I REALIZED I PUT HER WHITE PAW ON THE WRONG SIDE #the first few rbs will have the wrong version but whatever. its fine. its fine

[turtleblogatlast]

Something I love about Leo is that, canonically, he IS capable of cooking, he’s just completely incapable of using a toaster. He’s banned from the kitchen not out of an inability to make edible food, but because being within six feet of a toaster causes the poor appliance to spontaneously combust.

#rottmnt #rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles #rottmnt leo #rottmnt headcanons #rise leo #all Leos mortal enemy: toasters #side note but thinking about this aspect of Leo’s character really has me wanting to make a deeper dive into Leo as a Jack of All Trades #because he has aspects of this all throughout the series #where he can do many things he’s just not the best at it #like he can cook but he’s no Mikey #he can - canonically - rewire an *AI PROGRAM* but it goes very wrong #he can lift both Mikey and Raph simultaneously but he struggles to do so where his other brothers don’t even break a sweat #bro is a Jack of All Trades Master of None frfr #and Leo is even more interesting with this in mind because he uses what he CAN do so well #it’s like how he can see his family’s strengths and weaknesses and knows exactly how they work #his skill set is made way better simply by his personal USE of those skills not by the skills themselves #portals and teleportation are only op if you know how to weaponize them #given time he ABSOLUTELY could #okay I shut up now this was supposed to be about toasters #but yeah all the boys have a bunch of skills under their belts outside the typical ones #but Leo stands out to me for having skills his other brothers have but to a much lesser degree in a lot of cases #and he works with what he has so well that that is a skill in itself

[waywardwonder]

You know what the real problem in the batfam is — EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WAS AN ONLY CHILD

#batfam #like I think Alfred had siblings but that’s it #think about it #Bruce dick Jason Steph Tim Cass Damian Duke #all of them are only child’s who later got siblings #bruce not only has no idea how to raise a hoard of kids together #but the hoard of kids have experienced both sides of developmental childhood of being first and only borne and having their parent call them #by seven wrong names or maybe even forgetting it entirely #that’s a heavy burden for any individual to handle you know #Bruce Wayne #Alfred pennyworth #dick Grayson #Jason todd #Tim drake #Stephanie brown #Damian Wayne #Cassandra Cain #duke Thomas #Batfamily #Batman #Red Robin #red hood #robin #signal #black bat #batgirl #spoiler #nightwing #dc comics

[tibli]

people treating either dirk or jake as the 'villain' of the relationship fundamentally misunderstand that they were isolated teenagers with social issues who both contributed to the relationship's problems, and neither of them are evil

#homestuck #dirkjake #dirk strider #jake english #im not a huge dirkjake person. i like it but not super actively or anything #but they BOTH did things wrong #dirk can be manipulative and overbearing #but hes not some evil mastermind hellbent on ruining jake lmao #his worst offense was like. building a fighting robot that jake explicitly asked for #and then going too far with it #on the reverse side #jake is not some unfeeling uncaring monster #hes socially anxious and has a hard time standing his ground on personal matters #his worst crime was mainly just. being kind of inattentive and unintentionally a little callous #i think postcanon (ignoring the epilogues and hs2) dirkjake could work fine if they both just like #got a little therapy and counseling #i think this is kinda why the epilogues make me bitter bc they really just like. completely bastardized the both of them #dirk is a hypercontrolling obsessive ultrabastard #and jake is a dumb thoughtless himbo who for some reason is a constant punching bag #also im p sure jake canonically has brain damage like i think thats stated in plain text in hs proper #i mean that could probably be healed but for a while he was kind of like. airheaded and unfocused #and i think its kinda insulting how hes treated in both timelines #im not a jake scholar like i am a dirk one tho so jake lovers i need someone to back me up on this pls

[ruporas]

deserving to be held

#vashwood #vash the stampede #nicholas d wolfwood #i feel like i made many pieces with this similar message but its just bc the thought of vashwood coming from loved backgrounds and having #been taught how to love.. been taught how to care and knows what that feels like and then having it ripped violently from them for years #to the point they're both afraid to touch each other and feel undeserving of the love they receive even though they both know they love the #other and yearn for it deeply #it's a long healing process and i dont think they had enough time to fully process it together but at least #they can steadily learn the warmth of another again before the end #correct me if im wrong but the only time canonically that vashwood hugged was in vol 10 and it actually sends me into ruins #u know. the half hug when vash caught ww and gripped his side like that. #like hoooow whyyyy waughhauhguhgss #ruporas art

[carnivalcarriondiscarded]

fantasy laughingstock mawwiage but make it potc3 Flavor-

#theyre supposed to be holding hands but i couldnt draw it for the life of me so #half assed it is!!!! #or.... no assed it is!!! #in my mind this is a job gone Phenomenally wrong. like horribly wrong #the group is outnumbered and cornered and- #its fine in the end tho #and howdy & barnaby are left standing there like 'so we didnt die. looks like we're husbands now! lets go find some neat rings' #in the meantime wally and julie braid them rings out of grass & flowers #actually wait omg #imagining there's a spell that can freeze the flower rings so that they wont break/decompose #all of barnaby's normal metal rings and then there's one made of plants... of Life... OUUUGHHHHHHHH #< thats the sound of me dying so dramatically. im talking nimona-as-ambrosius level of dramatic death #scribble salad #laughingstock #wh fantasy au #wait omggggg #im imagining once theyre all safe and it sinks in that the Are Indeed Safe #everyone is like 'omg!!! we made it!!! hugging each other! wait wheres barnaby and howdy - ohhhhh theyre making out off to the side cool' #theyre just. laying in the grass smoochin the hell outta each other #yeah theyre both bleeding and bruised but who isnt! #and then they stay right there and take a nap <3 #and wake up w/ the rest of the neighborhood piled on/around them <3 #GODDDDDDDD FUCK FUCK FUCK IM SO NORMAL ABOUT THEM IM SO NORMAL IM- #SO NOT NORMAL ABOUT THEM AGH RAGH ASDHASJFCBALFNLD #sorry sorry. the insanity is kicking in #alsoooooo imagining them having that epic potc3 mid-battle kiss after barbosa - sorry - Sally pronounces them married

[genericpuff]

I wonder why christian misrepresentation are rarely talked about if compared to other religion misrepresentation. Like, I've seen people really vocal about Greek myths misrepresentation in LO and such (and it's valid because it's a culture and religion) but I rarely saw the same thing with christian even though there are many media who use christian religion innacurately, to the point where it comes off as using it as an aesthetic and not a proper religion.

Is it because of rampant religious trauma especially in western world? No ulterior motives on this question. I'm not a christian and yet I'm curious about this. I apologize if this sounds harsh.

I obviously don't have The Answer(tm) to this but personally speaking (and I'm about to get VERY personal here so take this with MOUNTAINS OF SALT), I think it's just the obvious - Christian mythology is one of the most well-documented and strongly protected out of virtually any other religion on the planet. Especially here in the West, it's commonplace for kids to go to Sunday school, for couples to have Christian weddings even if they're not practising Christians themselves, even the American anthem references the Christian God. It's simply not as easy to 'misrepresent' it because the representation is written into our very fabric of society. Even Greece itself is primarily made up of Orthodox Christians.

So anyone that does 'misrepresent' it are either completely mislead hardcore Christians, or people who are doing it intentionally, such as with the intent to make a parody of it or to deconstruct it through a different context or whatever have you. And of course, people will still get mad at those things, if you're implying that people aren't vocal about Christian misrepresentation then frankly IDK what to tell you there LOL If you want a contextual example in the realm of webtoons, Religiously Gay was dragged to hell and back during its launch for having a very crude and insulting depiction of St. Michael, and frankly, yeah I don't disagree because what the fuck is this-

(like at best it's just terrible character design lmao that said, there's also plenty else to criticize Religiously Gay for, including its fetishy representation of gay relationships and the fact that it's still just the "naive person who looks and acts like a child hooks up with mean person in a position of power" trope, blech, but the character design is definitely the first thing you notice)

There are even plenty of hardcore Christians who will deadass claim "misrepresentation" over things that ARE factually correct but they just haven't read the actual Bible and simply cherry pick what works for their own agenda. And of course those people are routinely called out by people like myself who know for a fact that Jesus wouldn't have promoted the war crimes that many modern day Christians are committing and justifying today. So it really depends on the definition of "misrepresentation" here.

The issue specifically with LO and Rachel that I personally call her out for (and many others) is that she's called herself a "folklorist" and claimed she's so much more knowledgeable on Greek myth than anyone else, while making a complete mockery of the original mythologies while not being honest about her intent as to whether LO is actually supposed to be a legitimate retelling OR a parody (because it sure acts like the latter more than the former, but she still seems to expect us to take it seriously and consider her knowledge of Greek myth superior?) Which leads to a lot of her teenage audience claiming shit like "Persephone went down to the underworld willingly" and "Apollo did assault Persephone in the original myths actually" and the classic "why would Lore Olympus lie or make up fake myths?"

You just can't pull off this extent of erasure with Christian mythology because we have a whole ass book of it that's been preserved, sold on shelves, and systematically integrated into society for thousands of years. Of course, there are people who will still try their damned best to twist the Bible to match their own bigotry with the whole "Jesus hates gays" bullshit (he would never), but it's met with equal amounts of 'misrepresentation' that are actually fully well-read and are intentionally subverting and changing things to either critique, parody, or restore the original intent of a lot of stories in the Bible without all the manufactured right-wing crap.

Greek myth, on the other hand, has some stories that are well preserved, and others, not so much. And in the modern day outside of the poems and hymns, you'll also rarely, if ever, see anyone use stories from Greek myth to ostracize, torture, and murder other people. "Misrepresenting Christianity" is more often done by actual Christians who are using the Bible to commit hate crimes than the people who have actually read the Bible and are just taking creative liberties with it for the sake of deconstructing / parodying / analyzing / subverting it. Veggie Tales "misrepresents" Christian stories because obviously Moses wasn't a fucking cucumber lmao but it still accomplishes its goal by retelling Christian stories in a way that's fun and educational for children.

By comparison (on the whole, I'm not comparing LO to Veggie Tales LMAO) LO just isn't clear in its intentions beyond Rachel's initial statements that she was trying to "deconstruct" the myths, while labelling herself as a folklorist. Therefore, I'm going to criticize how she does it because the way she's done it up until now has been very mishandled and has resulted in a lot of misinterpretations of the myths simply for the sake of fandom. And yes, these people exist in Christian media as well - they're called TV evangelists.

And that's my (very heavy) two cents.

#here's your reminder that missionaries are colonizers #find me the Hellenistic pagans knocking on people's doors asking them if they want to hear about the glory of Aphrodite lmao #honestly it also depends on what you're surrounding yourself with #obv if you take part in the LO fandom and avoid what's going on in the christian world then what you experience and see will seem skewed #like even i could be very wrong in my opinion based on my own experiences as someone who lives in the west- #maybe there ARE pagans knocking on doors and using greek myth to commit hate crimes #so yeah we all gotta try not to fall for survorship bias #there are plenty of stories of people getting mad about christian mythology and its misrepresentations on BOTH sides #lo critical #lore olympus critical #anti lore olympus #webtoon critical #ama #ask me anything #anon ama #anon ask me anything

[fearandhatred]

instead of taking the fact that they only showed certain parts of the metatron and aziraphale talking to mean that aziraphale is omitting information. consider that those scenes are there instead to support what aziraphale is saying and prove that he's telling the truth. u feel me

#fearandhatred #fearandmeta #like. THE pivotal setting in the final fifteen is the bookshop. so why not take all the scenes in the bookshop to be the Main Scenes #the metatron scenes are just there as supporting evidence. maybe. perhaps #i could be wrong. fuck if i know #the lie theory might actually be getting to me #but i feel like i haven't seen this interpretation of those scenes yet which is crazy #nothing wrong with seeing both sides like chanel #because then either way you're only half wrong #good omens #good omens season 2 #ineffable husbands #aziracrow #crowley #aziraphale #THIS IS A QUEUED POST. i am asleep

[figmentforms]

Part 239 of  “A Tale of Two Rulers” (Jan1, 2023)- *updates monthly

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Happy New Year! I hope this one will be a good one for everyone. I think we all could use some peace, stability, and happiness these days.

*Tumor update: It's still not out. Getting things sorted out with insurance and the extremely busy hospital has been a big challenge. I just hope that they can get this troublesome flesh potato out of my body sometime soon. Thank you all so much for all your kind words of support and your understanding. This has been a really rough time for me and all of your kindness has meant so much!

**I'm going to try to figure out how to do the archives at the end of the posts again, but it will have to be on another day! I'm still so behind on so many things TwT*

#I love arguments where both sides have aspects that are correct and that are wrong #spent way too much time rendering out that skull center piece. #I just got INTO it #ya know? #skulls n flowers are pretty #A Tale of Two Rulers

[velsatelier]

stained glass…

#this was the companion piece to the other recent one i posted (giving in) but i didn’t post both at the same time… oops.. #ragathas button eye is on the wrong side i Know . I know im distraught i noticed too far in Agh #tw scopophobia #tadc #the amazing digital circus #tadc ragatha #my art #might make a pomni ver of this too… or a keychain version… dunno if anyone would want to buy that #BY THE WAY #the flowers in the back are snapdragons #snapdragons mean both deception and grace which applies to ragatha so much for me

[lonelysa1lor]

tfw you accidentally time travel to when you and your brother weren't talking to each other and realise that he was doing so much worse than what he told you

#i love time travel aus so much #this is a half-put together idea tbh #it's pure ideas and vibes #angst on both sides here #Fords og plan was to warn his past self about Bill but things went wrong #whether ford is from before or after weirdmageddon is up for debate #its angsty either way #stanford pines #gravity falls #ford pines #stan pines #stanley pines #time travel au #gravity falls au #gravity falls fanart #stan twins

[inkerii]

So I couldn't help but browse the THG tag bc those books own my whole heart. I actually check it now and again, and it's been interesting see how opinions have changed over the years, especially in regards to Gale and Peeta. Going through the evolution of them as just potential love interests to being far more complex than I could have expected has been a wild ride. Crazy how this reads different than from when I was a preteen.

That said, I wanted to give my unsolicited two cents on my boys, because though I have been enjoying the discussion on Peeta and Gale and what they mean to the story, I also feel like reducing them to Peeta = peace and Gale = war is far too simplistic... and oftentimes unfair to one or both of them.

See, I don't think Peeta and Gale are peace and war/destruction. They're compassion and indignation.

Peeta worries about the other tributes, or their families, or how to repay people like Rue and Thresh for what they did.

Gale is indignation at how the Capitol treats its citizens, it's anger at the injustice of inequality and brutality.

Both are needed in a story like THG. You can't have people like even Peeta not say something like "maybe we're wrong about keeping things quiet in the districts", you can't have him not drop the baby bomb, you can't start a revolution without Gale's indignation at the status quo. At deserving a better life but being denied it, at having your kids be mercilessly killed for literal sport.

However, if you start a rebellion and loose sight of your compassion, you end up no better than the people you're fighting against. Gale wasn't a bad person, imo. His heart was in the right place. He was flawed, yes, but so is everyone in this series. Gale, most importantly, lost sight of the line between fighting for the people he cared about and fighting against the people who hurt him.

Reducing Gale's indignation to just revenge and hatred ignores so much of what he stands for. Who hasn't seen laws passed that dehumanize people, who hasn't been angry and furious when someone is elected who fundamentally hates everything you are, who doesn't think some people need to pay for the atrocities they committed? There's a little bit of Gale in every single one of us - and it's important that it's there, because that's what gives us strength to challenge the status quo and make life better for the future generations.

But. You can't let it take over. You can't loose sight of your compassion or your empathy.

That's where Peeta comes in. Peeta is the voice in your head that worries about how many good lives will be lost when they give themselves up for this cause. Peeta is the worry about the people caught in the crossfire. Peeta is rebuilding when it's over and believing that the next generation will have a better life than your own. Peeta is being kind, even to people who may not deserve it.

And Gale... Gale looses sight of his compassion, and he doesn't realize it until it smacks him in the face when the bombs go off and Prim is gone and he's too far gone. Meanwhile, Peeta advocates for the end of the war even though it means the status quo remains - and regardless of what he believes himself, I don't think Suzanne chose him to say those lines by chance. It means both mindsets have their flaws: too kind and things that shouldn't remain will never be challenged and changed, too angry and you may loose sight of what you're fighting for.

And that's just how Suzanne uses her characters, both of them, all of them. Just look at who is with Katniss depending on the situation:

- Katniss chooses to "rebel" after Gale is brutally whipped. She kisses him.

- Katniss realizes that in order for D12 to rebel, everyone would need to be in on it, and she realizes most of them are not like her, that they're scared and she understands, emphasises with them. Peeta walks by her side.

- Katniss finally does it though, shoots the arrow at the force field, and Peeta is taken from her, it's now Gale by her side.

(You can't start a rebellion without indignation, and sometimes you HAVE to do it or things will never change, regardless of the inevitable pain that will come along.)

- Katniss is righteously angry at the Capitol bombing a hospital full of innocents to make a point. Gale remains there.

- Coin twists people's compassion into an army to fight for her own personal gain. Peeta is hijacked and looses his sense of self.

- Katniss and Gale go to District 2 and even though she tries to be like Peeta, she's still shot- reinforcing Gale's views, the person who was with her during that sequence.

- Katniss is angry at Snow, Katniss goes to the Capitol to kill him. Gale is there.

- Katniss gets in way over her head and realizes she is responsible for the death of most of her squad. She shares the lamb stew with Peeta, and later cleans his wounds.

- Finnick dies and she's at her lowest up until that point and all she wants to do is give up and give in to the anger. She kisses Peeta and begs him to stay with her.

... Claiming that Gale is destruction ignores the fact that he's with Katniss through her own moments of strength. Her desire to change things, to fight back, is as important as her compassion. Mockingjay just brutally shows you what war does to your indignation, to your compassion. How easy it is to cross a line between righteous anger and revenge, or how your sense of empathy and compassion can be manipulated into something monstrous by others, or by all the terrible, brutal, painful things you see.

How easy it is to loose yourself- and that goes for both of them.

Peeta and Gale aren't static characters, they go from representations of sentiments regarding an injust government to what happens to those feelings when an extreme situation such as war breaks out. All of that, by the way, while dealing with this duality themselves, because they are still characters who think and feel and struggle and have flaws of their own- and while I love what they stand for, I've seen too many comments that pin everything into what they mean, that they forget that Peeta and Gale are still people, they aren't perfect metaphors. They're human.

Ultimately, Katniss doesn't really choose peace. She wants peace, yes. But what she chooses is compassion. empathy. hope. There's a time and place for anger at injustice. There's a time when fighting back is the right thing to do. There are even times when you wanna give in to your despair and lash out. But if you want peace, then you have to choose Peeta, because Peeta represents what you need to focus on to achieve that peace. You have to let go of the anger or you won't ever rest. So Gale leaves, and does not come back... And yet, Katniss still has her moments of indignation, of making a stand, even as he goes - she still casts her vote at that meeting, she still shoots Coin. Katniss does not abandon that part of who she is. It's just not her main drive anymore.

So then she goes on to make the choice, every single day, to be compassionate to others. To have hope. To rebuild. Of course she chooses Peeta.

... Idk, man. These boys are so much more than what I see them so often reduced to. They're in all of us. There will be times to stand and fight, and times to show mercy and be kind. We just need to find that balance, as Katniss eventually did.

#the hunger games #thg #katniss everdeen #peeta mellark #gale hawthorne #it took me over a decade but I finally bit the bullet and decided to talk about this series #I love it so much #there's so much more I could say I had to hold myself back #like how BOTH Gale and Peeta are never fully gone even tho most people only focus on Peeta #But Gale knew what he did was wrong #It's not as clear bc he's not a pov character and katniss is too tired to try and read him but #prim's death touched him #he didn't brush it off he didnt see it as justified bc at least now its over #regardless of his reasons he still has enough sense of self to realize this #unlike y'know. characters like coriolanus who makes up so many excuses for what he did #including indirectly killing the character who is the personification of innocence and hope #like prim was #(side note I dont think any of the tbosas characters are direct parallels to the thg ones) #(theres little bits of katniss peeta AND gale in characters like snow) #(bc they're all representative of indignation and anger / compassion / fear and the need to feel safe) #(which every human being in the world has - even that bastard) #(he just chooses a different path) #(tbosas is very good btw) #(y'all should read it before the movie makes it about romance like I'm terrified it will) #ps if anyone knows how to put a read more on mobile can you let me know thx ily

[turtleblogatlast]

[ cw: trauma / mind control / separation anxiety / autophobia / ]

Something that kills me is that there’s no way in hell that Raph’s debilitating separation anxiety isn’t infinitely worse after the movie. The trauma of being Krangified like that, all alone, would probably regress him so hard.

Not to mention his worries of getting “weird” would likely get mixed up with his experience while Krangified - aka, he loses full awareness, and when he’s brought “back” it’s to the understanding that he attacked his own family (of course not to his own fault at all, but how much of that does he believe?)

The fear of being alone would take on another layer and become a fear of himself.

#rottmnt #rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles #rottmnt raph #rise raph #trauma / #mind control / #separation anxiety / #autophobia / #codependency mention in tags / #after the invasion he checks up on the others multiple times and guiltily hopes one of them asks to stay with him for the night #he’s the big brother so it feels - wrong. to ask them to stay with him. #but his plushies don’t have heartbeats. and neither did the krang #and guiltily - guiltily - Raph is relieved when someones doing bad enough to stay with him each night #he doesn’t know it but the others see he needs it so they offer #man idk I just want Raph to be safe and happy #me having Raph feels at 3 am #I raise you: codependent Raph and Leo post invasion #they both dealt with losing the other #going from fighting and high tensions pre invasion to being scared to leave each others’ side post invasion #god wait this concept is so sad wait #but it works #may address this in a later post/fic ngl

[macadam]

Was explaining to a friend how socially inept optimus is in tfp which devolved into a 20 minute long tedtalk where I just kept providing examples of megatron trying to engage in any semblance of banter while battling optimus and optimus’ only response is to frown bigger. He just keeps looking more and more intense until someone else comes in to relieve the social tension. Some may call it romantic/sexual tension between exes but in actuality optimus —“do you want to see something funny” “no”— prime is just incapable of holding any conversation and leaves megatron to flounder in this conversational void, turning every sentence said into an increasingly pathetic monologue. Megatron seems obsessed with optimus because he’ll say something insulting or set bait to goad optimus into a response but instead optimus just stares and frowns. And if there’s one thing megatron refuses to do it’s backtrack so he’ll just keep digging. The only time megatron is freed from this prison is when ratchet is there to insult him back but because megatron’s focus starts on optimus it just ends up turning into megatron and ratchet arguing over optimus’ honour while he’s off to the side pummelling whatever vehicon/corpse/seeker megatron has set on him, or is falling off a cliff because his legs are too long and in however many millennia it’s been he still can’t get used to the robot puberty the matrix put him through

#fun side note this brought both of us to tears from laughing #they’ve only seen the first season of tfp but honestly that’s enough #god optimus is #So Bad at holding conversations #Mac mumbles #I say all of this out of love #but man #this guy is so closed off and anti confrontational that he can’t even kill megatron to end the war #I am loosing my mind what is Wrong with him #transformers prime #tfp #optimus #tfp optimus #optimus prime #megatron #tfp megatron #maccadam