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nikkoliferous · 4 years

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Ok this is so incredibly ignorant it deserves its own post. @darkelf19

1) Loki had no reason to believe the Einherjar stationed in the Vault could not do their literal job and dispatch the handful of jötnar that snuck inside during the coronation. A poor decision, certainly, but not one born of malice or indifference.

2) The Warriors 3, Sif and Heimdall all committed treason against him. He was perfectly justified in defending his entirely legitimate claim to the throne. (Apparently Thor's friends don't understand how the line of succession works).

3) If you think he felt nothing while sending the Destroyer after and later directly fighting Thor, you didn't watch the same movie I did. Furthermore, Loki would have had no reason to attack Thor if his friends had not (again) committed treason against him. Consider: if he had planned to send the Destroyer all along, why take the time to go down to Midgard and lie to Thor about Odin being dead? Loki was buying time to accomplish his ultimate goal (to "save" his father who at this point he was still desperate to prove himself to, and to destroy the monster inside himself namely by destroying the entire race). The actions of Thor's friends forced his hand. That doesn't negate that his own actions were immoral, but it certainly does negate the argument that he did so because he's just evil.

4) Loki has never tried to kill Odin. Ever. (Though I certainly would not blame him if he had. That abusive bag of dicks has it coming).

5) Unless you're referring to Laufey when you say "his father". In which case... what reason does Loki have to feel any sense of loyalty to the man who allegedly abandoned him as an infant? Laufey is a stranger to him and an enemy of Asgard, to which Loki is now desperate to prove his fidelity. See again: trying to kill the monster inside himself—by literally killing the 'monster' who created him in the first place.

6) He did not "join" Thanos. For fuck's sake. Did you watch these movies at all? He was tortured, coerced, brainwashed, and mentally manipulated by a goddamn infinity stone. Don't assign motives he's never had to him just because you like the idea of him as a "villain". 🙄

Outside of two very specific sets of circumstances (one being a mental breakdown that ends in a suicide attempt, the other being—again—falling into the hands of terrorist organization and surviving the only way he could), Loki has lived more than one thousand years without ever showing a tendency towards evil (mischief, yes; malevolence, no). He has bad qualities, as we all do. He struggles with feelings of envy, he can be spiteful, he can be manipulative; despite his reputation for being a master tactician, he has an unfortunate tendency to have his plans go off the rails. But he also feels things deeply (which is one of the things he despises most about himself, as he thinks it makes him weak); he is loyal to both his loved ones and to Asgard (despite neither his loved ones nor Asgard being loyal to him). He makes some very bad decisions that unfortunately have resulted in a significant loss of life. He bears [some—because again, coerced and brainwashed] responsibility for those decisions and the collateral damage thereof. That is not in question. But nothing he has ever done has been because he's evil or uncaring. If you think it is, you don't know him at all.

#all of this isn't even getting into the fact that #nothing loki did was particularly out of line #with the imperialist warrior culture in which he was raised #odin has committed genocide and never faced justice for it #thor has committed genocide #and he got a three-day vacation on a backwater realm #and a mortal girlfriend as punishment #if loki's genocidal actions make him evil #then thor and odin are just as evil #if not more so #in defense of loki #loki meta #loki #thor #lady sif #the warriors 3 #heimdall #odin's a+ parenting #mcu

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dukereviewsmovies · 4 years

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Duke Reviews: Thor: The Dark World

Hello, I'm Andrew Leduc And Welcome To Duke Reviews Where We're Continuing Our Look At The Marvel Cinematic Universe....

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Where Today We're Looking At The Second Outing With The God Of Thunder, With Thor: The Dark World...

This Film Sees Thor Teaming Up With His Evil Brother, Loki To Save Both The Nine Realms And Jane Foster From The Grip Of Malekith (Played By The Ninth Doctor)

And His Dark Elves Who Intend To Use A Weapon Called The Aether (Or To Put It Bluntly The Reality Stone) To Plunge The Universe Into Eternal Darkness, Will The Two Feuding Brothers Be Able To Work Together To Stop This Evil, Or Will Loki Turn On His Brother And Side With Malekith?

Let's Find Out As We Watch Thor: The Dark World...

We Start Our Film With Another Introduction From Odin...

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(Start At 0:32)

Starting Shortly After The End Of The Avengers, We See Loki Arriving In Odin's Chambers Where He Sentences Him To Spend The Rest Of His Days In The Dungeons Of Asgard...

Meanwhile On The Planet Of Anaheim (Correction: Vanaheim, The Warriors Three And Sif Fight To Restore Order To The Planet But The Odds Soon Change When Thor Arrives...

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(Start At 2:58, End At 4:53)

That's Zachary Levi By The Way, Replacing Josh Dallas As Fandral...

So, In Other Words They Replaced Prince Charming With Flynn Ryder...

Deciding To Stay To Help His Homeworld Rebuild, Thor Says Goodbye To Hogun As Him, The Other Warriors And Sif, Return To Asgard...

Thanking Thor For Returning Order To The Nine Realms, Odin Still Senses That Thor Has Feelings For Jane Foster, Simply Telling Him That She's Just A Human And He Should Look At What's In Front Of Him (Meaning Sif) And That He Should Revel In Their Victory...

But Despite Seeing His Friends Celebrate And Trying A Go At A Possible Relationship With Sif, Thor Still Can't Move On From Jane Even Though She's Already Moved On With The Cop From Bridesmaids...

However, Their Date Is Interrupted By Jane's Assistant, Darcy, Shows Her Some Readings That Is Coming From One Of Her Scientific Devices As Darcy Believes It To Be The Same Readings That Erik Selvig Discovered Weeks Ago Before Being Locked In A Mental Asylum...

But Despite Telling Darcy That She's Not Interested And To Beat It, Bridesmaids Tells Her To Go After Her And So, Jane Does...

Getting In Darcy's Car, Jane Meets Darcy's Assistant (Which She's Not Supposed To Have) As They Drive To The Location Where The Phenomenon Is Happening...

Confronted By 3 Kids They Show, Jane, Darcy And Darcy's Assistant It As They Not Only Lift Up A Truck Like It's Nothing, But They Throw Down A Bottle Only For It To Disappear At One Portal And Reappear At Another Portal At The Top Of The Stairs...

Eventually Going Off On Her Own, Jane Gets Sucked Into A Portal Where She Finds The Aether And Opens It, Not Ony Infecting Herself With The Aether And Reawakening Malekith And His Dark Elves After Years Of Hibernation...

Back On Asgard, Thor Talks With Heimdall At The Newly Rebuilt Bifrost As He Tells Thor That The Convergence Is Upon Them. However, Not Interested In That But In Jane, Heimdall Tells Thor That Jane Is Studying The Convergence As Well, However Something Is Blocking His Vision To The Point That He Can't See Her...

Coming After She Was Infected, Jane Reunites With Darcy Who Is Not Only With Police But Tells Jane That She's Been Gone For 5 Hours...

With The Area Starting To Rain, Everywhere Else But Around Them, Jane Turns Around To See Thor Who She Gives A Piece Of Her Mind...

Explaining Where He's Been For The Last Few Months, Jane Forgives Him Despite Knowing That He Was In New York With The Avengers, However As Our 2 Lovebirds Talk, Darcy Interrupts To Tell Jane That They're About To Be Arrested...

But When Jane Tries To Set Things Straight With The Police, The Aether Attacks Them Which Forces Thor To Take Her To Asgard To Be Checked By Their Nurses And Doctors...

Meanwhile On Svartalfheim, Malekith Talks With His Second In Command, Algrim About Their Homeworld, While Swearing To Make People Of Asgard Pay By Reclaiming The Aether And Spreading Their Darkness Throughout The Universe...

With Odin Rightfully Pissed That Thor Brought Jane To Asgard, Odin Orders His Guards To Take Her Back To The Bifrost So She Can Go Back To Earth, But When The Aether Protects Itself From The Guards, Odin Takes A Look At Jane...

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Captured By Fandral And Volstagg, Algrim Arrives On Asgard In A Disguise And Is Placed In Asgard's Dungeons, As Loki Talks With Frigga (Played By Rene Russo) Who Has Tried To Make His Stay In The Dungeons More Comfortable Despite Him Still Believing That He Should Be King Of Asgard...

Eventually Leaving Loki After He Tells Frigga That Her And Odin Are Not His Parents, Frigga Goes To Meet Jane While Back In The Dungeons, Algrim Breaks A Stone Which He Was Given By Malekith To Become One Of What They Call The Kursed...

Now A Monster With Superhuman Strength, Kurse Tears Through Asgard's Warriors And Unleashes Prisoners From The Dungeon While Doing So...

With Loki Suggesting That Kurse Take The Stairs To The Left, Kurse Exits As Fandral, Volstagg And Thor Arrive To Deal With The Prisoners While Odin Tells Frigga To Take Jane To Her Quarters Until It's Safe...

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Later That Night, They Hold A Funeral For Frigga While Back On Earth, Erik Selvig Talks About The Convergence Only To Lead Into Our Stan Lee Cameo...

Stan Lee Cameo!

The Next Day On Agard Odin, Fandral, Volstagg And Some Of Asgard's Warriors Hold A Meeting Over The Defenses Of Asgard And It's Not Good, As The Shields Are Destroyed And Their Artillery And Heimdall Cannot Detect The Dark Elves Making Them All But Defenseless...

Placing Jane In The Dungeon, Odin Plans To Have Malekith Come To Them, But Valuing The Safety Of The People Of Asgard, Thor Wants To Take Jane To Them To Keep Them Away From Asgard And While Malekith Pulls The Aether Out Of Jane, Thor Will Destroy The Aether And Malekith...

But Believing That Thor's Plan Is Too Risky, Odin Tells Him No And That It's Far Greater If They Just Do Nothing And Just Wait And As Risk As Many Asgardian Lives As Possible...

However, Unwilling To Take This Risk, Thor Attempts Talking With Heimdall About Letting Him Use The Bifrost But Unfortunately Odin Has Ordered The Bifrost Closed With No One Allowed To Come Or Go In Asgard And Of Course, Heimdall Will Not Disobey Odin's Wishes..

But Knowing That Malekith Will Return And That Odin Is Acting Out Of Grief Over Frigga's Death, Heimdall Asks Thor What He Needs..

Gathering Fandral, Volstagg And Sif, Thor Manages To Get Them To Help Him To The Point Of Knowing That It Will Either Bring Them Exile Or Death But Again Knowing That The Bifrost Is Closed, Heimdall Reminds The Heroes That There Are Other Paths Off Asgard That Only A Few Know But Namely One...

That's Right, Thor Goes To Get Loki To Help Him Get Off Of Asgard Knowing That He Wants Vengeance Against The Dark Elves For Killing Frigga, But Thor Warns Loki That If He Tries To Betray Him That He Will Kill Him...

Once Loki Is Out Of His Cell, Sif Goes To Get Jane And Take Her To Meet With Thor And Loki Who Go To The Main Hall To Board The Crashed Dark Elf Ship While Volstagg Holds Off The Asgardian Guards...

Managing To Get The Ship To Take Off, Thor, Loki And Jane (Who Faints) Are Soon Followed By Asguardian Air Fighters And Being Fired At By Asgardian Turrets, Forced To Abandon Ship, They All Land On A Boat Which Is Being Driven By Fandral...

With Loki Taking Over The Boat, Fandral Abandons Ship To Deal With An Asgardian Boat Behind Them While Loki Shows Thor The Secret Passageway To Svartalfheim...

Arriving On Svartalfheim, Thor And Loki Have A Bit Of An Argument Before Having Somewhat Of A Brotherly Moment As Malekith Senses The Aether On The Planet....

Back On Earth, However, Darcy And Her Assistant Manage To Get Erik Selvig Out Of The Insane Asylum, But When They Do, A Group Of Starlings Go Through A Portal And Reappear Out Of The Sewers Beneath Them, Happy He's Not Insane, Erik Tells Darcy To Take Him To Jane's Lab...

Arriving Where Malekith's Ship Is, Thor Releases Loki From His Binds Only To Immediately Betray Him...

(Sarcastically) What A Surprise...

Stabbing Thor In The Chest And Cutting Off His Hand, Loki Gives Jane To Malekith As A Gift On The Condition That He Gets A Good Seat To Watch Asgard Burn...

Accepting Loki's Offer, Malekith Takes The Aether From Jane But What Malekith Doesn't Know Is That...

Giving Thor His Hand Back, Thor Grabs Mijonir And Appears To Shock The Aether Into A Million Pieces But The Aether Reforms Itself And Combines With Malekith And Leads To An All Out Fight While Malekith Gets Away..,

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With Loki Dying In Thor's Arms, Thor Promises To Tell Odin About Everything He Did, But Before He Dies, Loki Tells Thor That He Didn't Do It For Odin, But For Him...

Alone With Jane On Svartalfheim, They Try To Find A Way Back To Earth As Jane Saw Malekith On Earth While The Aether Was Being Sucked Out Of Her, Eventually Entering A Cave, Jane's Cell Phone Goes Off Somehow, Answering It, It Turns Out That It's Mr. Bridesmaids Cop Who Is Calling To Ask Jane Out On Another Date...

Telling Mr. Bad Tigger Voice To Not Hang Up, Jane And Thor Follow The Cell Phone Signal To Another Portal Which Leads Them Back To Where They Were On Earth...

Taking Jane's Car, They Head To Jane's Apartment Where They Reunite With Darcy, Erik And Darcy's Assistant To Fill Them In On Malekith And With Erik's Help They Manage To Come Up With A Location In Greenwich...

Placing Erik's Devices All Over The Area, Malekith's Ship Arrives...

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With Malekith Defeated, Thor Returns To Asgard To Tell His Father, Odin That While He Will Protect The Nine Realms Till His Last Breath, He Cannot Be King Because He Would Rather Be A Great Man Than A Great King...

Giving Odin Mijonir, He Tells Thor That Mijonir Belongs To Him So Long As He Is Worthy, However, Odin Is Unable To Give Thor His Blessing, But Simply Tells Him To Go...

As Thor Leaves, We Get A Surprise As Odin Transforms Into Loki...

Allow Me To Explain, While Thor And Jane Reunited With Selvig, Darcy And Her Assistant, Odin Was Visted By A Guard Who Went To Svartalfheim And Discovered Loki's Body And It's Actually Revealed Here That The Guard Was Loki, Who Survived His "Death" On Svartalfheim...

As The Credits Roll We Get A Mid Credits Scene, With Sif And Volstagg On A Planet We Would Come To Know Later As Knowhere Where They Meet With The Collector (Played By Benicio Del Toro) To Give Him The Aether As The Tesseract Is On Asgard And It Is Unwise To Have 2 Infinity Stones In The Same Place...

After More Credits Roll We Get An End Credits Scene Where Thor Returns To Earth And Reunites With Jane (Or So We Think!) That Is Not Natalie Portman In This Scene, That Is Elsa Pataky, Wife Of Thor Himself, Chris Hemsworth (Yeah It's Natalie In The Apartment But Outside It's Entirely Elsa)

Why?

Well, Apparently Natalie Portman Was Told That She Was Working With Patty Jenkins On The Movie But When Patty Dropped Out Of Directing The Movie And They Were Passed To Game Of Thrones Director Alan Taylor, Natalie Was Pissed And Didn't Want To Do The Picture...

However, Being Under Contract She Had To Do It...

But After The Picture Was Done Filming, They Asked Her To Come Back To Do The End Credits Scene And Natalie Said Screw You To Marvel So, Instead Marvel Got Hemsworth's Fast And Furious Wife In A Brown Wig...

This Movie Is...Okay....

While Not The Best Entry In The Thor Movies, I Wasn't Bored, The Action Scenes Were Good And Both Hemsworth And Hiddleston Did Great, I Thought Kat Dennings Was Funny At Times (Despite People Believing Her To Be Again, The Jar Jar Binks Of The Thor Movies And I'm Glad They're Bringing Her Back For The WandaVision Show On Disney +) And Some Of The Other Actors Like Anthony Hopkins, Rene Russo And Jaimie Alexander Did Good In Their Roles....

But Again Like Iron Man 3 The Problem Is The Bad Guy...

Where On The Mandarin They Royally F-ed Up, This Villain Is Boring And Doesn't Have Enough Character Development With Him To Even Give A Crap About What He's After But Aside From That, I Say See This Movie...

Till Next Time, This Is Duke, Signing Off...

#thor the dark world #chris hemsworth #anthony hopkins #natalie portman #kat dennings #stellan skarsgard #Rene Russo #zachary levi #ray stevenson #idris elba #christopher eccleston #jaimie alexander #tom hiddelson #marvel #marvel cinematic universe #Thor #Loki #malekith

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terresdebrume · 6 years

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So I finally finished rewatching Thor (my laptop doesn’t like playing a movie after a day’s work) and tbh it’s interesting to think of how my interpretation of Loki’s situation has gone over the years.

When I first saw that movie, honestly, I was not only 100 % on Loki’s side, it was simply impossible for me to like Thor, or Odin, or basically anyone else in the movie no matter how badass they were (sorry, Sif). I was in a pretty bad place that winter and Loki’s emotional position struck me as so deeply relatable it hurts...which kind of showed, since I wrote 80 fics featuring (and, often, starring) Loki out of, at the time, something like 115 stories1.

After a while and some navigating through the Thor vs Loki fans/stans wars on Tumblr, it kind of evolved into thinking that yes, Loki’s feelings of hurt and betrayal were real, but since his family loved him he should just work on his own insecurities and get over it, so to speak. The part where Loki was a Frost Giant and how that put Odin’s actions in a different light (whether you assume Odin’s reactions to Loki were 100 % conscious or not) was...pushed aside, sort of. I think it was in part because you can hardly reconcile ‘Loki, this is on you, get over it’ and ‘maybe your parents didn’t really treat you as you needed and maybe it’s in part due to your species and their racism’.

The funny bit is, how I view Loki’s situation seems to be tied to how I interpret my own, actually. Back in 2011, I was very angry toward my family and half convinced they didn’t love me (fun times, in case you were wondering). By 2012, when Avengers came out, I’d fantasized so much about Loki coming back and getting the apologies he needed (from his parents, from his brother, from basically anyone in his life) listening to Thor’s jokes about how Loki was adopted physically hurt. I can’t say that raised the character in my esteem, but at the same time, looking back on it...well, it’s kind of a realistic continuation of Thor. I mean, by the end of that movie no one seems to question Odin’s decisions, no one seems to consider maybe there were things that led to this state of affair in the family besides Loki’s own character/judgment flaws.

At the time, if I recall correctly, that kind of felt like a slap to the face. It didn’t entirely prevent me from enjoying the movie, but I still couldn’t help but feel it was one more way to remind me the public that I Loki was making it all up and needed to shut up because my his family loved me him and therefore not being satisfied with that was, in essence, a character flaw.

In The Dark World, Loki gets punished for what he did in Thor and The Avengers which, lbr he deserves (though full disclosure, I subscribe to the manipulation and psychological abuse at the hand of Thanos theory, so I’m less on board for punishing him for that2). Once again though, there is no questioning of other people’s behavior around him. Frigga basically tells him he’s too self-centered/a bit of a hypocrite, people who supposedly mourned for him3 line up to issue death threats...once again, it’s all on him and his core flaw of not being happy with what makes other people happy. And once again, I thought maybe Loki ought to just get over himself and be happy with things as they were. 2013 was a bit of a better year for me4 so in a sense, it was easier to think that maybe, if I just got it through my head that my family loved me, I’d finally be happy and feel content with myself...which in turn made it easier to accept, again, that Loki was probably just a lost cause and should get over himself.

And then came Ragnarok.

I haven’t really made it a secret that I was disappointed by it, in significant parts because the humor trend of ‘let’s ridicule our character’ was taken way further than what I expected from this franchise and strayed waaaay away from the tone of the previous two movies5. But with a little more time to think about it, I think anther significant part of my disappointment with this move is that, once again, I didn’t get the emotional conclusion I was hoping for. I’m no longer in the same emotional state as I was in 2011, but I’ve also let go of the ‘you should get over it’ mindset, both for myself and for Loki. I’ve said it before but it bears repeating: how I view Loki’s situation is heavily influenced by how I process mine and vice-versa. The result of that is, as I allowed myself to feel hurt/wronged by the way my family acted around me again, it kind of allowed me to start wishing for...idk, balance? A satisfying end to my emotional arc? And to wish the same thing for Loki.

Thor: Ragnarok was...a painful, but probably realistic reminder that this will probably never happen. Beyond the fact that both Frigga and Odin are now dead and are therefore incapable of evolving in any capacity, I highly doubt Thor is ever going to wake up and realize what it’s like to be in Loki’s shoes, which would be a requirement for him to realize what kind of apology Loki needs to hear and why. Similarly, I highly doubt my family is ever going to wake up and apologize for the way they reacted to how they and I were different and how much that hurt, sometimes.

The common point here is Thor, like my fam, did nothing wrong by the social standards he’s accustomed to. I doubt Asgard sees dismissing un-warrior-like behavior as wrong, I doubt they see asserting your alpha male authority by telling others to shut up as wrong, and I doubt they see the constant mocking and belittling of Frost Giants as wrong...so for Thor to admit doing these things are wrong and hurtful would require him to admit not only that he has been hurting someone he cares about by accident but also that the entire moral landscape he (and his country) based his worldview on is flawed, which is complicated and painful and which Thor hasn’t shown any sign of doing so far, and neither has my family6

From there, the logical conclusion is that the moment of emotional justice I crave for both myself and Loki will most likely never happen. I don’t think there’s ever going to be a moment when Thor looks Loki in the eyes and says ‘I didn’t mean to, but I hurt you anyway, I get how, I’m sorry, and I’m not gonna do it again’. I don’t know how they’ll deal with that in the movies, if they’ll keep this craving as part of Loki’s characterization or if they’ll eventually reach a point where Loki is just a-okay with his situation even without the emotional closure7 but either way, it’s not going to happen for Loki, and it’s probably not going to happen to me either and that is...something I have trouble mourning, I guess. Which, well. There’s always fics, and things I could write myself, but it’s not exactly the same thing, is it?

I’m doing a rough estimate of my cumulated AO3+FFN count of the time here. Might get it wrong.

Also for what it’s worth I think it’s super fucked up (though utterly unsurprising) how the entire franchise dropped Loki’s frost-giant-ness and how that probably influenced the way Odin (and, consequently, everyone else) treated him, not to mention the hot mess that is his decision to exterminate all Frost Giants only after he discovers he is one.

Not very long if we got by the ending of Thor but, you know. Let’s pretend they did. (Also I acknowledge that, post Thor, they have rock solid reason to assume he’d be capable of attempting murder on Thor and to distrust him in general. I guess I just feel like they mourned their supposed friendship with him really fast).

Shoutout to my tumblr friends and to the awesome Winnie for helping me through so much bullshit.

The most frustrating part of that is that there are many things to like in this movie, from the criticism of Asgard’s imperialism and the whole ‘benevolent conqueror’ narrative that’s been the baseline from Thor and was criticized even then, to the fact that Ragnarok!Loki is probably the closest we’ve seen to the real Loki (given that it’s the first movie where he didn’t start out in the middle of an emotional crisis). Unfortunately for me, the way they were conveyed didn’t jam with my hopes/expectations for the movie.

I never pretended this wasn’t a personal post ^^’

To be honest, what I’ve heard about Loki in Infinity Wars so far kind of makes me fear a relapse, but I’m hoping they’re just planting red herrings. Hopefully.

#my posts #matt has a life #matt watches #mcu #loki #thor #thor's first #What were you the god of again #spoilers #ragnarok spoilers #where is my oversized male ego #my meta #mcu meta #this is half meta half personal tbh #replying to it purely on meta levels is ok though

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