#I'm not here to debate stupid

[angrylesbianatwork]

I love how they pretend they can't read. Are you too lazy to scroll through my fucking tumblr and get a hint?

#I would not love to #Smartass #I'm not here to debate stupid #I'm here for me

[brother-emperors]

going from the late Roman Republic to 4th century CE Roman Empire but skipping several centuries in-between the two is really creating a lot of 'guy who's only heard of x: wow this sure is giving x!' situations. what do you mean this guy kept gratian's body and didn't even use his head as a prop. you're telling me gratian had a window of opportunity for sole power and didn't go full caligula. TRAGIC. theodosius there's a gap in your life that’s kind of giving cassius. I refuse to read anything covering the 2nd and 3rd centuries, so this will continue

#the 5th century does not exist to me either #anyway Ive come to a decision on where to post the later roman empire stuff. it will be here #with it's own tag. there was a moment when I thought it would go on my other blog bc of the Christian saints #but I kind of want to fight basil in a parking lot and I'm going to start wielding a baseball bat #like my God this doctinal debate is stupid as hell. I'm not exploring any of that erotically. hostility only #mostly I'm interested in what the roman emperor's are up to and this is my Rome blog

[kthulhu42]

Lmaooooo how much time do you dedicate to debating stupid shit online bitch you got nothin goin on lol

I'm married, a homeowner, I have a job, am a parent to a 10 year old, and I'm 30 weeks pregnant. I use tumblr when I'm commuting and when I'm relaxing after dinner.

If that's enough time to debunk your bullshit then blame yourself for being crap at debating because really it takes no time at all.

#Also I have a queue #Misogyny #radblr #radical feminism #feminism #sexism #Notice how I'm a “bitch” for wasting my time debating stupid shit but sending abuse over that same stupid shit is fine #Like anon did you even engage your single brain cell here

[onesidedradiostatic]

Hate to throw another wrench in the sweater debate, but y'all DO know that the first color to fade out of any old photograph is RED, right? The colors on that photo are faded to clearly indicate that it is old. I voted orange in the poll because that's what it looks like to me, but in all actuality, if the picture is supposed to have been taken in the '70s, Vox's ugly sweater is probably cable knit and either a dark mustard yellow or dirt brown. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

I'VE ENGAGED WITH THIS SO MUCH there may be a point I may actually have to stop BUT THE REASON I THINK IS RED IS BECAUSE IT'S SIMILAR IN COLOUR TO VAL'S WINGS WHICH WE KNOW ARE RED

#ask #osrs.txt #vox's stupid fucking turtleneck #I'm getting tired but feel free to continue to debate on the post I'm just not sure if I can keep debating here

[wcsprites]

If a native person tells you not to do or use something because it misues or mocks something from their culture, even if you personally didn't think it did or that the thing in question "isn't actually that special", your first instinct should be to listen to them and not try to "prove them wrong" (especially if it's something as small and simple as 'don't put feathers behind the cat's ears' like why are you choosing this hill to die on, are you okay? Do you like yourself very much?).

#i'm really nervous posting this but it's been on my mind for this past like week or so and JLDFSKSLDKFJ #i've had a few non native people complaining about or trying to debate me on the ear feather rule on the pixel cat gen #but i've always just ignored them or deleted their messages. i've got no time for that #but ajhjkdf #today i was at my limit #list of every stupid shit argument i've accumilated this week -> #'if christians got mad about halos and angel wings being used on designs everyone would be laughing at them! why is this any different? 🤓' #'culture doesnt have any meaning and all tribes tend to do the same thing so why is this such a problem? 🤓' #'youre wrong and misinformed here watch this ancient documentary made exsclusively by white men 🤓' #'this pains me to see. :( why are you so mad about this when there are serious problems like world hunger and pollution? 🤓' #and everyone's favorite #'i bet all the people arguing about this are just stupid woke white kids... as someone who is 0.0000001% native american i say- 🤓' #warrior cats

[feral-radfem]

Oh my God I'm so surprised that super persistent but consistently flawed debater on Tumblr is actually a child. I never saw that coming.

Look, there's things that adults shouldn't say/ topics we shouldnt bring up around children and should be able to create spaces away from them. If I'm being completely honest, radical feminism almost entirely falls in this category of 18+ content. We are constantly talking about sexual violence and other extremely adult topics that aren't appropriate for developing minds to be constantly bombarded with. It's bad for your young minds and it's bad for the movements that you seem to think you care about.

If you want to be a child activist then volunteer for your local community, don't get in online spaces with adults. It's simply not safe for children and creates an unproductive environment for adults. Children will learn better skills and build more fulfilling relationships and achievement doing local community activism anyways.

If you're a minor you need to put that shit somewhere so that we can tell that we're talking to a literal baby. I really don't enjoy this increasing trend of purposely not telling people when y'all are minors because you think that it's going to make people dismiss you, when you having limited life experience is a legitimate limitation on your analysis. You're being deceptive because someone placed a social boundary that you don't want to respect. It's high key gross.

On the same note, different tune, I hope this serves that is a reminder that people can literally be lying, either outright or by omission, about everything they claim about themselves on here. We, people in general, have created the online culture where it's completely normal to lie about important identifying features about ourselves for social clout/elevation. While I know there are some of us that may not participate in this practice, I know plenty of radfems do. We've caught a few doing it red-handed and all they're doing is breeding distrust amongst us in these spaces.

Can y'all not just act like normal honest people?

#I really thought you were a stupid attention seeker who everyone just gave way too much attention to in her mid/early 20s #just an adult with way too much time on her hands who knows how to act the same questions and chronically online #so I'm actually very happy to learn that you are actually a child. because I spent like 2 years thinking you didn't know how to read/argue #however #I do disagree about lying about your age by deception or omission. you knew that most people on here thought you were an adult #though that was definitely their own dumbass mistake #you should have been honest with your age in the bio because you knew it would have given people context to judge your content better #I'm really sick of y'all pretending to be adults on here until it is convenient for you not to lie anymore #you get more leeway for the stupid shit you say when I think you're a kid but I also don't think kids should be actively in politics #adults don't want to talk about adult topics with children it makes us uncomfortable and it stops us from being able to have open debate #lily responds #really this is why I encourage you to get offline and join local political movements #okay I'm done ranting I'm just so tired of figuring out after the fact that y'all are liars especially about your age #I also just don't like feeling like I've been lied to so maybe I'm taking this more personally than I should be

[dimonds456]

Aight, what you see above is an article that's getting passed around by proshippers. I'm making my own post separate from theirs to discuss the contents of this article and why I believe everyone *should* read it, while also I don't believe the article is correct.

The article was written by a Japanese artist who had been harassed for "proshipping" online, even though they themself did not partake in anything more than aging up 15-year-old characters to 19. As far as they claim, that was it (though the artwork itself is not provided).

Someone had DMed them, asking if they were a proshipper, or a "problematic shipper", to which they shrugged and went "I guess so?" and then that person-referred to as A- started spreading it to all their friends that A was a proshipper and to avoid them, leading to soft blocks, harassment, ect.

Something I'd like to point out that is correct about this article is the meaning of "proshipper." It doesn't mean "problematic ships." Instead, "pro" is the prefix, not an abbreviation. The meaning is in reference to someone who is unbothered by any specific type of ship, and/or supports the creation of problematic ships. This difference is, I feel, important, not because the definition is changed, but because how people view that definition changes substantially.

Keep that in mind.

Something else of note here is the cultural difference. The artist is from Japan, and according to them, Japan allows ships of any kind. Japan, as a country, is proship, which creates vast and varied artistic expressions. Any and everything is allowed.

And, according to worldpopulationreview.com, the age of consent in Japan is 13 (though articles are saying they're rethinking this law).

Again, I recommend reading the article for yourself to fully understand the artist's point of view, but I'd like to break down where the author was wrong about many things. A lot of them stem from cultural differences and are normalized, so you can't really blame them, but it's good to keep in mind when interacting with proshippers from all over the world.

Something they're right about is harassment. I don't think people should be being harassed for stuff like this. Blocked? Yes.

The first thing they got wrong was the general assumption that fiction doesn't affect reality, or that antis cannot tell the difference between fiction and reality. This (at least for a lot of us) isn't true. Using myself as an example, it's clear to me that fiction and reality are two different worlds.

However, to say that fiction doesn't affect reality is false. Both worlds influence each other. If an adult starts dating a 13-year-old in fiction, younger audience members who watch that will see that relationship play out. Depending on how it's portrayed, this can either help or harm that audience member. If this relationship is deemed bad in that piece of media, then the younger members of that audience will remember that, vs if they say it's okay, THAT'S where you've crossed into proship territory that is actively harmful towards your audience.

I am a firm believer that anything should be allowed in fiction, as long as the author is respectful, responsible, and considers the ramifications of their work towards a real audience. So like, having a relationship between a 19-year-old and a 13-year-old should be allowed to be portrayed, as long as it isn't positive. By not allowing these stories to be told at all, that's leaning into some book burning shit.

What the author did, aging up 15-year-olds to 19, is not inherently bad, especially since they say it wasn't sexual in nature (but again, the art itself is never presented).

The second thing they get wrong is calling us a minority. I don't believe there were any studies done on this, but I don't think the majority of Americans go around talking about shipping children with adults? Again, it's a cultural difference that was influenced on this specific artist BY other proshippers. It's a biased view from both sides. I do not believe any studies have officially been done on this subject, so you cannot call us a minority. But, we can't call you a minority, either. I'm not sure how many there are on either side.

But also, I don't think that really matters. Continuing my topic from before with fiction affecting reality, if someone in that audience can get hurt because of your story, then it doesn't matter if the majority don't. It's still harmful and can affect reality- THIS reality- in negative ways. By drawing proship art and saying it doesn't matter because it's fiction, you're helping to normalize this art for ACTUAL predators. It doesn't matter how many proshippers there are, this is STILL harmful.

Something else I noticed, but I cannot point specifically to this article as evidence for, but it may be influencing the author, is the idea of in-fandom vs outside-fandom. The author mentions this a couple times, though usually in reference to the cultural differences between Japan and America.

The author is outside the US fandom, and so doesn't fully understand its inner workings or why so many of us are anti-proship "purest"s. I don't know how else to explain this besides going up to your grandparents and asking them if they think proshipping is okay.

Upon hearing the actual definition- being unbothered or perpetuating any type of relationship between two or more characters in fiction- they might go "yeah I agree with that," because that does sound nice on paper. Freedom of expression.

But what antis have come to realize is that fiction DOES affect reality, and if you were to ask your grandparents if they thing a child should be in a relationship with an adult, they'd probably go "no."

This is purely because they don't understand the culture of being online, and the several, several subcultures that came to be. We know what proshippers are and what they represent, but someone outside fandom space wouldn't.

And now, to any proshippers reading this: first of all, thank you for hearing me out, lol. But then, I ask you to please re-evaluate why you're a proshipper. Is it for the freedom of expression idea, do you just not give a shit, or do you genuinely enjoy seeing kids and adults together? Maybe something else? I'm not going to tell you how to feel about that- you can come to your own conclusion- but I do ask that you re-examine that idea.

If the author is SOMEHOW reading this, first of all, thank you too. My goal here was not to harass you in any way, but to point out the core of why this article doesn't really work. I'm sure in Japan things are vastly different, and that's not your fault, OP. And although I don't stand by what A did to you, I do ask that you think again. Stuff like this does affect reality, even in small ways (but when it comes to p*dos, it can be FAR more harmful than good).

Proshippers help normalize unhealthy behaviors that can seriously hurt children for the rest of their lives. Do proships exist in reality? ...Yes. Not between fictional characters, but those characters can influence people in real life to go "oh yeah the incest ship was okay in this anime, which means it's fine if I'm like that, too." It's not fine. It's not okay.

Again, I'm not here to harass you, and ultimately it's up to you whether you choose to listen. I'm sorry for the harassment at all, that should not have occurred.

Back to my general audience, though, yeah. Again, read the article for yourself (which I do still highly recommend). It gives a good glimpse into the minds and ideas of some proshippers out there. I don't think OP is a bad person, just misinformed. And I believe the same of a lot of proshippers out there. We can't change their minds, but we can make sure misinfo like what is in the article is debunked, and spread correct information regarding the subject.

Some sources:

Again, read the article, do some thinking (on BOTH sides), and have a good one, guys.

#dimond speaks #i do think this debate is WAY more heated than it needs to be #i firmly believe proshipping is bad and there isn't an excuse for it #darkfic is different (until proshippers started using that term too) #it all depends on portrayal #like i don't like watching that sort of thing myself but it might be cathartic for someone else #or there could be valuable lessons to glean from it #like this is one of the many things i hated about 'as i lay dying' #one of the kids of the family gets. that. and there is no plot reason besides “she's stupid” #i do think these works deserve to exist if only so we can discuss them and learn from them #but actively partaking in normalizing this stuff is NOT OKAY and shouldn't be regarded as such #idk im tired. #i'd ask that i not be taken out of context here and if someone wants to debate me i'm all ears #but yeah. love your neighbor and don't sexualize kids okay? #and op i dont think your art was proship i think people on twitter were exaggerating #but again i havent seen the art so idk what theyre talking about #k peace #tw incest mention #incest mention #proshipping #tw proship #ask to tag #Youtube

[unrestrainedbalderdash]

NOOO WHY'S THERE BI LESBIAN EXCLUSION IN THE ORIENTED AROACE TAG.

#DUDE. YOU'RE LITERALLY IN THE ORIENTATION THAT IS MASSIVELY BUILT ON THE SPLIT ATTRACTION MODEL #AND YET YOU CAN'T EVEN COMPREHEND THAT ALLOS COULD HAVE THE SPLIT ATTRACTION MODEL????? #(not saying all the bi lesbians are alloallo just trying to point out op's foolishness) #(also there's probably people identifying as bi lesbian for reasons other than that which is also valid #but pointing this out because it's in the oriented aroace tag) #like. it won't cover all the nuances but i can think of an extremely simple explanation for bi lesbians existing #you can just have different attraction types to different genders. it's simple! #dw i'm not getting too angry at this i'm just baffled by their chopt logic #anyway. bi lesbians are extremely valid and if you don't agree get out #queer discourse #<- not looking for any debates here just tagging for filtering purposes. get gone if you disagree. or think and change your mind. #tw discourse #cw discourse #if anyone knows the specific tags people have filtered for mspec and bi lesbian discourse let me know #just hovered over their accounts to block them. the asker is a minor so i guess i can understand them being stupid #but the answerer is 24 you should have developed critical thinking and common sense by now #rancid takes #<- gonna use this as a general tag for filtering

[gaydryad]

vote now on your phones:

#from the writer's den #void talks #this is a very stupid and convoluted internal debate I'm having #keep in mind my FB is essentially Cis Me :tm: with a cute photo I took with a snapchat filter back in.....2017 #the last time I was in this kind of situation even remotely was like 4+ years ago so I truly CANNOT read the vibes #especially since the locals here are ... much more friendly than I'm used to #to add some further context #this was a Clean segue from talking about the sublease #like literally no break haven't talked about what we're like at all #except that he works at a local auto engineering firm and I'm a student #which also. I'm a grad student so I'm like. an adult. but #if I were an undergrad (which I could be for best he knows unless he eyed my profile) #that would be uhhh #no sir thanks #anyway.

[chrisbangs]

well at least smth nice will happen today 😁👍 i'm getting my second set of albums + my ktown pobs so... 🫶 wish me luck with my pulls

#🥺 #i'm feeling a lil sad abt all of this the more i think abt it 😁👎 kinda sad i let certain things and ppl ruin this site for me #kinda sad i stepped away and all my original friends are not on here anymore save like 3... #kinda miss how things were during my pace lol #😭 it's just smth i'm thinking abt so sincerely... #idk.. it's cool... i just don't feel like i have a place on here anymore like i feel like my content doesn't really matter and that's cool #i decided i gif for me blah blah blah... it's kinda sad tho :') i feel a lil sad #i miss when like ... the dash was all friends and silly stuff happened like the stupid cereal debate but that was like . predebut #or even then ☹️ way we all were live watching during the soufflé pancake with the face 😭 #or even the concerts... like 😕 #maybe it's nostalgia (it definitely is) but to me those will always be the best times.. nothing will ever come close #i don't think i can think of a better time for stayblr idk ... now its not the same #it just makes me a lil sad to think i've been here for that long #RETIRMENT SHOULDVE BEEN PERMANENT BUT 😭💔 they got me back... #li.txt #no one is gonna read all this but if you do thanku for following me inspite of how much i complain and talk and bitch abt my life 🥲👍 #and thank u to those ppl who are my friends inspite of those same things.. 🫂🤍🫶

[threadsun]

https://www.tumblr.com/threadsun/718241375628525568/proship-in-favor-of-shipping-if-you-see-people

That’s not just “one” definition, that IS the definition. Anything else was twisted by other people in bad faith

Okay but like did you read the second half of the post?

#sunshine #asks #like idk man I'm not here to debate the semantics of proship and anti #or to learn the ✨ True Meaning Of Proship ✨ #it's all stupid anyway and forces a huge global issue into being about ships #it's like if people tried to make queerphobia into a pro vs anti queerbaiting thing #like one side is objectively correct BUT it's still stupid to reduce it to that #there's much bigger issues at play here and to reduce being anticensorship into being 'pro shipping' is ridiculous

[loumauve]

apparently kissing sb of a certain gender makes you have that sexuality so now I'm unsure what the fuck I am. does that mean I have to identify as pan now bc that asshole kid kissed me when I was 11 even tho I just wanted to look at the tiny turtles in his fish tank? and bc one of my exes identified as nb at the time we were dating, and bc I kissed a girl a few times while we were dating?

does that also mean I can no longer identify as ace bc I had sex at least once?

some of y'all are so fucking stupid I stg

#yes I'm salty now but I swear to god. we keep going in circles #we've had this debate in so many fandoms now and it's not even worth debating bc y'all are just wrong #humans don't work like that. identifying as sth requires active thought and voicing that identity to yourself at least #and calling it canon requires the character actually saying those words themselves. otherwise it's all just text/subtext/interpretation #so the point you're trying to make over and over again is baseless and fucking pointless anyway #bc in fandom it literally doesn't matter. if you want to ship sth then do it. no need to get some moral high ground or whatever #you can just have fun and say 'I'm gonna ship this and write this bc I want to and it COMPELS ME even if it's stupid' #you can be as serious as you want or play the clown. it's all good here. fandom is just like that - a place to share and be excited #not a place to try and make sb feel less than just bc you decided your opinion is somehow more correct #if that's how you feel about fandom pls do us all the favour and LEAVE

[paleangels13]

...

#so after an ugly debate and fight and some really harmful words... #my mother now wants to help me get my life back together by helping me clean my room and idk but I feel like a stupid little child again & #I hate it... I mean it's nice that she wants to help I guess but also I really don't want her help me clean my room because... Privacy who? #she really doesn't have to see everything that's in my room (I mean yk? doesn't even have to be anything embarrassing or private #it's just like a general thing that I don't want her to see everything in my room...) #and then my parents want to force me to throw away basically everything I kept from my childhood which is also amazing... #oh and they'll force me to study chemistry once I'm done with my room and I hate it here... #and also to get up early even if I'm still on semester break... #which is fun...that probably means I won't get to write anymore at all and I don't want that because I have so many ideas but I won't #be able to write shit once uni starts again soo...only time I have are the two weeks I have left before that happens and now they wanna #take it from me #🥺 #I don't like this... ;-; #personal

[nexus-nebulae]

how to not be anxious about existing in my own home

#anxiety and paranoia is so fucking stupid man #im just Scared™ for no reason #not at or about anything in particular i just Am #and it makes me too anxious to literally do Normal Things like Search Regular Fucking Shit On Google #like- i mean literally getting too anxious to look up ways to fix my stupid fingernails being fucked up #that's not even a suspicious thing to be searching but paranoia is just like No Fuck You and then i can't move #like what am i even fucking paranoid about there's nobody fucking HERE #i feel like my phone itself is watching me #which. it is. that's not even a debate it Is like everyone knows these things are made of spyware at this point #but even then like. there's no face behind the spying to judge me. and that's always what I'm afraid of is being seen by A Sentience #my phone doesn't literally have a person scanning everything i do every second like a video feed #I'm partially telling myself these things to convince myself it's true. #i am severely mentally ill.

[mushroom-winners-proof]

Epic divorce men: Tfp Megatron 🤝 Master Xehanort

Single and softspoken: TFA Megatron 🤝 Xemnas

The tired himbos: G1 Megatron 🤝 Ansem SOD/Apprentice Terranort

this ask proves to me none of you know what a himbo is

#snap chats #tfp megatron is divorced tho. megatron IS divorced period #yall remember that ep where optimus lost his memory and thought he was orion and megatron was just like #This Is My Bestie :) NO I'm Not Having Him Here Just To Relive Our Pre-War Days STUPID #it's for tactical purposes only of course #anyway NO megatron and ansem are not himbos im going to scream #a himbo has to be a buff polite and stupid man and yall are really tellin me they are polite and stupid #'stupid' debatable but POLITE- NOT EVEN POLITE i mean kind #theres a difference if you know you know

[mythvoiced]

-. I'm out here working and going fucking stoopid, losing braincells over Haikyuu, realising Twilight from Spy X Family is the One Patrick Faceclaim and turns out I had to look to animation all along, feeling the aggressive urge to open a single muse, to return to canon manga rp, and also I actually haven't forgotten anything here nor anyone of course but every time I open my laptop for stuff that isn't work I shut down I'm so sorry ILL RETURN I WILL THESE AREN'T EMPTY PROMISES YOU SHAN'T GET RID OF ME

#;ooc #I'm so sorry I'll do better I don't know what's up but thank you for being here still!!! #But I noticed this summer's being weird to loads of folks #I LOVE YOU SO ILL HIT UP OOC SOON I HAVE A #DOG TO GUSH OVER ITS #I'm half debating ging full animated for Patrick #edit: i've gone so fkcing stupid i can't stop thinking about oik.aw.a t.o.oru of all peopLE OF ALL PEOPLE