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harumscarumcos · 28 days
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I turned away from my computer multiple times while watching the episode, but I went to rewatch and
In what world would Doctor Doom, a Romani, work side-by-side with a nazi like Baron Zemo?
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stairset · 1 year
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One of my toxic traits as a superhero fan is when adaptations make the villain connected to the hero’s origin I sometimes like it and sometimes don’t and either way I usually have no specific reasoning for my opinion other than Vibes.
#in most cases i actually do like it#the spider that bit peter parker being altered by oscorp a la ultimate comics? cool.#brainiac playing a role in krypton's destruction a la dcau and injustice? cool.#mandarin being directly or indirectly responsible for iron man's origin a la the 90s cartoon and mcu? cool.#magneto being responsible for professor x getting paralyzed a la first class? actually better than how it happened in the comics#doctor doom being involved in the fantastic four's origin? eeeh depends#i don't like the ultimate version or either of the movie versions where he also gets powers in the same incident#and also his skin is actually metal instead of wearing armor#that shit's lame#but i DO like the world's greatest heroes cartoon where he sabotages their mission by lowering their shields#and THAT'S what leads to them getting powers and also causes the explosion that scars him#way i see it if he HAS to be part of their origin the way that show did it was best#the only major example or the villain creating the hero where i NEVER like it is when joker is responsible for the wayne deaths#be it directly like in the tim burton movie or indirectly like that joker movie that didn't need to exist#like joker being responsible for batman's parents dying is just way too coincidental#some of those other examples are also kinda coincidental but they at least feel like natural connections to make#whereas joker creating batman is just forced#oh and sandman killing uncle ben in the raimi movies and black cat's dad killing him in spectacular for the same reason#the murders of the waynes and uncle ben both just work better when the killer is just some random crook whose identity isn't important#but yeah the rest of those examples are all perfectly fine with me lmao#shut up tristan
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just-an-enby-lemon · 2 years
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I'm a Riddler stan. I talk a loot about him. But I never talk about my fav MARVEL supervillan (is not Magneto cause Eric did nothing wrong shut up): DOOM.
So yeah. I have a thing for petty queercoded man-childrem. (Victor please don't murder me, I swear it's a compliment. Eddie, good luck trying you noodle armed bitch boy)
Jokes aside. I do love Doom soo much. He is ridiculous and petty and overdramatic and I adore him. The fact he is one of the feel famous fictional scientists who upon realizing magic exists in their world embraces both science and magic is amazing and he is soo over the top and formal and loud s2.
Also my dislike for almost all things Reed is a plus when talking about loving Doom. (Don't get me wrong I love the Fantastic Four but is very very hard for me to ever like a version or Reed Richards. Ben, Sue and Jhonny are all precious babies though).
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racefortheironthrone · 6 months
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What did you think of X-Men Blue Origins?
(I may turn this into a People's History of the Marvel Universe later today, so keep an eye on this space.)
X-Men Blue: Origins and the Power of the Additive Retcon
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(WARNING: heavy spoilers under the cut)
Introduction
If you've been a long-time X-Men reader, or you're a listener of Jay & Miles or Cerebrocast or any number of other LGBT+ X-Men podcasts, you probably know the story about how Chris Claremont wrote Mystique and Destiny as a lesbian couple, but had to use obscure verbiage and subtextual coding to get past Jim Shooter's blanket ban on LGBT+ characters in the Marvel Universe.
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Likewise, you're probably also familiar with the story that, when Chris Claremont came up with the idea that Raven Darkholme and Kurt Wagner were related (a plot point set up all the way back in Uncanny X-Men #142), he intended that Mystique was Nightcrawler's father, having used her shapeshifting powers to take on a male body and impregnate (her one true love) Irene. This would have moved far beyond subtext - but it proved to be a bridge too far for Marvel editorial, and Claremont was never able to get it past S&P.
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This lacuna in the backstories of Kurt and Raven - who was Kurt's father? - would remain one of the enduring mysteries of the X-Men mythos...and if there's one thing that comic writers like, it's filling in these gaps with a retcon.
Enter the Draco
Before I get into the most infamous story in all of X-Men history, I want to talk about retcons a bit. As I've written before:
"As long as there have been comic books, there have been retcons. For all that they have acquired a bad reputation, retcons can be an incredibly useful tool in comics writing and shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand. Done right, retcons can add an enormous amount of depth and breadth to a character, making their worlds far richer than they were before. Instead, I would argue that retcons should be judged on the basis of whether they’re additive (bringing something new to the character by showing us a previously unknown aspect of their lives we never knew existed before) or subtractive (taking away something from the character that had previously been an important part of their identity), and how well those changes suit the character."
For a good example of an additive retcon, I would point to Chris Claremont re-writing Magneto's entire personality by revealing that he was a Jewish survivor of the Holocaust. As I have argued at some length, this transformed Magneto from a Doctor Doom knockoff into a complex and sympathetic character who could now work as a villain, anti-villain, anti-hero, or hero depending on the needs of the story.
For a good example of a subtractive retcon, I would point to...the Draco. If you're not familiar with this story, the TLDR is that it was revealed that Kurt's father was Azazel - an evil ancient mutant with the same powers and the same appearance (albeit color-shifted) as Kurt, who claims to be the devil and is part of a tribe of demonic-looking mutants who were banished to the Brimstone Dimension, and who fathered Nightcrawler as part of a plot to end this banishment.
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I don't want to belabor Chuck Austen, because I think that Connor Goldsmith is right about his run actually being a camp cult classic in retrospect. However, I think we both agree that the Draco was a misfire, because of how the retcon undermined Kurt's entire thematic purpose as established in Giant-Size X-Men that Nightcrawler was actually a noble and arguably saintly man who suffered from unjust prejudice due to the random accident that his mutation made him appear to be a demon, and because of how the retcon undermined the centrality of Mystique and Destiny's relationship.
X-Men Blue Origins
This brings us to the Krakoan era. In HOXPOX and X-Men and Inferno, Jonathan Hickman had made Mystique and Destiny a crucial part of the story in a way that they hadn't been in decades: they were the great nemeses of Moira X, they were the force that threatened to burn Krakoa to the ground by revealing the devil's bargain that Xavier had struck with Sinister (and Moira), they were the lens through which the potential futures of Krakoa were explored, and they ultimately reshaped the Quiet Council and the Five in incredibly consequential ways.
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This throughline was furthered after Hickman's departure, with Kieron Gillen exploring the backstories of Mystique and Destiny in Immortal X-Men and Sins of Sinister, and both Gillen and Si Spurrier exploring their relationship with Nightcrawler in AXE Judgement Day, Sins of Sinister, Way of X, Legion of X, Nightcrawlers, and Sons of X. One of the threads that wove through the interconnected fabric of these books was an increasing closeness between Kurt and Irene that needed an explanation. Many long-time readers began to anticipate that a retcon about Kurt's parentage was coming - and then we got X-Men Blue: Origins.
In this one issue, Si Spurrier had the difficult assignment of figuring out a way to "fix" the Draco and restore Claremont's intended backstory in a way that was surgical and elegant, that served the character arcs of Kurt, Raven, and Irene, and that dealt with complicated issues of trans and nonbinary representation, lesbian representation, disability representation, and the protean nature of the mutant metaphor. Thanks to help from Charlie Jane Anders and Steve Foxe, I think Spurrier succeeded tremendously.
I don't want to go through the issue beat-by-beat, because you should all read it, but the major retcon is that Mystique turns out to be a near-Omega level shapeshifter, who can rewrite themselves on a molecular level. Raven transformed into a male body and impregnated Irene, using bits of Azazel and many other men's DNA as her "pigments." In addition to being a deeply felt desire on both their parts to have a family together, this was part of Irene's plan to save them both (and the entire world) from Azazel's schemes, a plan that required them to abandon Kurt as a scapegoat-savior (a la Robert Graves' King Jesus), and to have Xavier wipe both their memories.
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Now, I'm not the right person to write about what this story means on a representational level; I'll leave it to my LGBT+ colleagues on the Cerebrocast discord and elsewhere to discuss the personal resonances the story had for them.
What I will say, however, is that I thought this issue threaded the needle of all of these competing imperatives very deftly. It "fixed" the Draco without completely negating it, it really deepened and complicated the characters and relationships of both Raven and Irene (by showing that, in a lot of ways, Destiny is the more ruthless and manipulative of the two), and it honored Kurt's core identity as a man of hope and compassion (even if it did put him in a rather thankless ingénue role for much of the book).
It is the very acme of an additive retcon; nothing was lost, everything was gained.
I still think the baby Nightcrawler is just a bad bit, but then again I don't really vibe with Spurrier's comedic stylings.
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notes-from-sarah · 4 months
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Magneto: A Biographical Timeline, 1963-1991
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Magneto just might be one of the most iconic comic book antagonists of all time. He was created in 1963 by Stan Lee and started out as the X-Men’s deadliest foe. Not much is revealed about Magneto through the 60’s but when author Chris Claremont takes over writing the X-Men starting in 1975 he began to develop the character and give him a complex backstory. Magneto quickly started his journey to being a hero and by the 80’s he was no longer a foe of the X-Men, but an ally, and eventually the leader of the Xavier Institute. After corporate meddling forced Magneto back into an antagonistic role in the 90’s, Magneto was eventually killed off and Claremont was fired. This was the end of a cohesive story and trajectory for the character.
Magneto’s backstory has become murky in the years since. The wiki pages (both fan wikis and wikipedia) often take the angle of attempting to synthesize everything ever said about the character into one cohesive story. That, of course, isn’t very helpful when there’s been sixty years of contradictory information and continual reboots – both hard and soft – of the character, his relationships and his backstory. Even his name has come to be muddled with every few years someone deciding to give him a new one. Below, I’ve compiled a list of all the relevant biographical details as they appeared in print from 1963 – 1991. This is a comprehensive overview of the character during his most iconic storylines, many of which have gone on to be adapted to both television and film.
I have included links to relevant historical information at various points as well as to an excellent 2018 documentary, available on YouTube so be sure to check that out as well.
1963
September
X-Men #1 published
1964
March
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #4 “The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants” by Stan Lee
Wanda and Pietro are introduced with the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. They are introduced as brother and sister, no last names are given.
Wanda owes Magneto a life debt because he prevented villagers in the heart of Europe from burning Wanda as a witch. Wanda and Pietro aren’t happy about being in the Brotherhood.
Magneto is described as tall.
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1965
May
Avengers (1963) #16 “The Old Order Changeth!” by Stan Lee
Wanda and Pietro join the Avengers.
Wanda mentions that Pietro is older than her.
Wanda is described as “black-haired” (though in many later appearances she is most often drawn with brown or red hair)
1968
November
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #50 “Hail, Queen of Mutants” by Arnold Drake
Mesmero claims that Polaris (Lorna Dane) is Magneto’s daughter and attempts to brainwash her to join Magneto.
1969
January
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #52 “Twilight of the Mutants” by Arnold Drake
Iceman (Bobby Drake) reveals to Polaris that Magneto is not her father and is “conning” her.
July
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #58 “Mission Murder” by Roy Thomas
The Magneto who appeared in issues #49-52 is revealed to have been a robot all along and Magneto is unconnected to the plot of the robot Magneto.
December 1970 – June 1975
No new books are written for X-Men and the title exists solely as reprints of earlier issues. In effect, the book is dead.
1974
October
Defenders (1972) #16 “Alpha, the Ultimate Mutant” by Len Wein
Magneto is turned into a baby by the mutant Alpha.
1975
August
Chris Claremont begins writing for the Uncanny X-Men starting with issue #94.
1977
April
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #104 “The Gentleman’s Name is Magneto” by Chris Claremont
Magneto is returned to adulthood by Eric the Red.
November
The Champions (1975) #16 “A World Lost!” by Bill Mantlo
Magneto works with Beast (Hank McCoy) to free the former X-Men team from Doctor Doom’s mind control. (I believe this marks the beginning of Magneto’s turn to being a hero)
1978
May
Marvel Team-Up (1972) #69 Featuring Spider-Man and Havok “Night of the Living God” by Chris Claremont
Polaris reiterates that she is not Magneto’s daughter.
August
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #112 “Magneto Triumphant” by Chris Claremont
Magneto reiterates that he never worked with Mesmero and the being who claimed to be Polaris’ father was a robot.
September
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #113 “Showdown!” by Chris Claremont and John Byrne
Magneto’s Antarctic base is destroyed and with it the “work and memories of a lifetime.”
Magneto is sad to have the X-Men destroy everything but steels himself with the thought “I am alive.”
1979
August
Avengers (1963) #186 “Nights of Wundagore!” by Steven Grant, Mark Gruenwald and David Michelinie
Wanda and Pietro return to Transia looking for information about their past.
Transia is a German-speaking nation.
Their mother is revealed to be Magda, no last name is given for her.
Magda left her husband because she feared his powers and desire to rule the world. (This story will change somewhat as the idea is developed)
Magda ran away from Transia after giving birth.
The narrative implies she went into the wilderness to die.
Wanda and Pietro were then given to Django Maximoff and his wife to raise.
September
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #125 “There’s Something Awful on Muir Island” by Chris Claremont
Magneto runs across an image of Magda on a memory tape and reminisces about his late wife thinking “Magda… my late wife. I’d almost forgotten how beautiful you were… How deeply it hurt when you ran away from me.”
This reveals him to the reader as the father of Wanda and Pietro.
1980
October
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #138 “Elegy” by Chris Claremont and John Byrne
Polaris is once again mentioned as not being the daughter of Magneto.
1981
January
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #141 “Days of Future Past” by Chris Claremont and John Byrne
In a far distant possible future Magneto is revealed to be working with the X-Men after mutants face genocide and persecution.
Magneto’s name is revealed to be Magnus for the first time, no last name is given.
August
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #148 “Cry, Mutant!” by Chris Claremont
Magneto meets Cyclops’ (Scott Summers) girlfriend, Aleytys “Lee” Forrester, for the first time on his island base in the Bermuda Triangle.
September
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #149 “And the Dead Shall Bury the Living” by Chris Claremont
Charles Xavier reveals that Magneto is “Caucasian, probably Nordic.”
Charles reflects that Magneto was “the first ‘evil’ mutant the X-Men fought.” (The use of quotes around the word evil is intentional to suggest that Magneto is not really evil)
Charles thinks that “Magneto and I are uncomfortably alike.”
October
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #150 “I, Magneto” by Chris Claremont
Magneto learns of Jean Grey’s death and says that he grieves for her. He states “I know… something of grief. Search throughout my homeland, you will find none who bear my name. Mine was a large family, and it was slaughtered.”
Magneto speaks to the crew of the Soviet submarine Leningrad in Russian.
Magneto keeps his computer programming book written in a language neither Kitty nor Storm (Ororo Munroe) can read.
Later, after a fateful confrontation with the X-Men, Magneto thinks he’s killed Kitty Pryde. He is gripped with remorse saying “What have I done?!” and “Why did you not understand? Magda – my beloved wife – did not understand. When she saw me use my powers, she ran from me in terror. It did not matter that I was defending her… that I was avenging our murdered daughter. I swore then that I would not rest ‘til I had created a world where my kind – mutants – could live free and safe and unafraid. Where such as you, little one could be happy. Instead I have slain you. I remember my own childhood – the gas chambers as Auschwitz, the guards joking as they herded my family to their death. As our lives were nothing to them, so human lives became nothing to me.” (This is the first time Anya is mentioned even if she is not yet named, as well as the first time that Magneto is mentioned to be a Holocaust and Auschwitz survivor.)
Storm tells Magneto to pray to his deity as she intends to kill him for hurting Kitty. Magneto replies “As a boy, I believed. As a boy, I turned my back on God forever.”
When Storm suggests that his good dreams have been corrupted, Magneto insists that he is too old to change and has lived with his hatred too long.
Afterward, Charles offers that Magneto “Will emerge from this crucible the good man he once was and may yet be again.”
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1982
September
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #161 “Gold Rush” by Chris Claremont
The narrative tells us the following took place twenty years ago placing these events around 1962.
Charles recalls meeting Magneto long ago in Israel when he went there to help treat Holocaust survivors.
Magneto is a volunteer at the hospital where Charles is working.
Magneto is introduced as Magnus, no last name is given.
Magneto reveals that he grew up in Auschwitz and states that “I have no family, Dr. Xavier. Anymore.”
The Auschwitz prisoner number tattooed on Magneto’s arm is revealed to be 214782.
The doctor Charles is working with says most of the volunteers were concentration camp survivors who “bring a degree of empathy to their work that the rest of us can’t match.”
Charles and Magneto grow close during their time together despite different views on the future of humans and mutants.
They also become close with Charles’ patient, Gaby Haller who is suffering severe psychic trauma from her experiences during the Holocaust.
Charles eventually comes to realize that “in many ways, Magnus has been as deeply scarred by his experiences as Gaby.”
Charles and Gaby start dating.
Eventually Charles and Magneto reveal to each other that they are mutants.
Charles and Magneto go to Kenya to rescue Gaby, who has been kidnapped by Hydra.
Magneto tells the Hydra leader, Baron Strucker, “You will find me considerably harder to slay than your countrymen did my family at Auschwitz.” and “Unfortunately, my power did not manifest itself ‘til I reached adulthood. By then the war was over. But had I possessed it in the camps, butcher, the tyranny of your Third Reich would have been ended overnight!”
They rescue Gaby and part ways still ultimately disagreeing about means and ends because of the violent methods Magneto used against Hydra.
Magneto flies off with an enormous stash of Nazi gold plundered from Hydra.
Until he disguises himself as Hydra, Magneto only wears white throughout the issue.
December
Marvel Graphic Novel #5 “X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills” by Chris Claremont
(This story is a stand-alone story, it doesn’t really get mentioned in the regular Uncanny X-Men timeline or referenced anywhere else, unlike the Dazzler graphic novel published in the same line. That does not necessarily mean it is out of continuity, just that it doesn’t ever get called back to during Claremont’s further writing.)
Magneto joins forces with the X-Men to save Charles from Reverend Stryker and prevent his anti-mutant genocide. He tells Cyclops “I am not your enemy, X-Men, nor do I consider you mine.”
Cyclops presses Magneto about his plan to become world dictator and Magneto replies “I have lived under a dictatorship… and seen my family butchered by its servants. When I rule, it will be for the betterment of all.” Cyclops asks who takes over after Magneto dies, Magneto responds “You, of course, Cyclops. And the X-Men. Why do you think I want you by my side?”
Charles refers to Magneto as Magnus.
Magneto asks Charles to join him and his cause after they defeat Stryker, and though tempted, Charles ultimately refuses holding on to his dream of human/mutant integration.
Magneto parts ways with the X-Men despite them asking him to stay.
1983
February
Vision and the Scarlet Witch (1982) #4 “Please Allow Me to Introduce Myself…!” by Bill Mantlo
Magneto discovers what happened to Magda after she left him and finds out that he is Wanda and Pietro’s father.
Magda’s fate is more vague in this telling, saying only that she “fled into the night” without the implication that Magda wanted to die.
Magneto reveals this information to Wanda and Pietro. He meets Pietro’s daughter, his granddaughter, Luna.
Magneto asks Pietro and Wanda to accept him into their lives.
1984
May
Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars (1984) #1 “The War Begins” by Jim Shooter
(Though the Secret Wars story line continues to be published after this date, the event ends and the regular in-universe timeline resumes with Uncanny X-Men #181 published in May 1984.)
When the Beyonder transports heroes and villains to a far away planet to fight each other, Magneto is placed among the heroes.
The other non-mutant heroes are leery of Magneto so Magneto decides to leave and solve their predicament by himself.
July
Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars (1984) #3 “Tempest Without, Crisis Within!” by Jim Shooter
Magneto captures Wasp (Janet Van Dyne) and brings her to his headquarters in hopes of convincing her to join forces with him
Wasp, addresses Magneto as Magnus.
Magneto and Wasp have sex.
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August
Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars (1984) #4 “Situation: Hopeless” by Jim Shooter
The X-Men leave the other heroes and join Magneto to try and end the situation they were brought into.
November
The New Mutants (1983) #21 “Slumber Party!” by Chris Claremont
When Warlock falls from space he crashes into Asteroid M. Magneto attempts to create a force field to protect Asteroid M but is unable to do so. Asteroid M is destroyed and Magneto is apparently knocked to Earth from space.
December
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #188 “Legacy of the Lost” by Chris Claremont
Lee Forrester finds Magneto injured and floating in the water near the center of the Bermuda Triangle. She fights off a shark and brings him aboard her boat.
1985
January
New Mutants (1983) #23 “Shadowman” by Chris Claremont
Magneto insists on leaving the hospital and going back to his island base in the Bermuda Triangle.
Lee and Magneto journey there alone on Lee’s boat.
Magneto is seasick the entire way there.
On the island Lee challenges Magneto on his anti-human stances.
February
New Mutants (1983) #24 “Hollow Heart” by Chris Claremont
Magneto apologizes to Lee for being rude to her and compliments her appearance.
Lee begins to see Magneto in a new light.
Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars (1984) #10 “Death to the Beyonder!” by Jim Shooter
Magneto is tempted to join forces with Doctor Doom, who the narrative implies is using some sort of power to sway Magneto to his side. Magneto “Reaches out to grasp Doom’s spectral hand – but then, he hesitates. His eyes find Xavier’s, and for an endless split-second, he trembles on the brink…”
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April
New Mutants (1983) #26 “Legion” by Chris Claremont
Lee is awakened by Magneto having a bad dream, he is making noise and screaming.
Magneto is using his powers in his sleep and speaking in a language Lee doesn’t know.
She wakes Magneto before he causes himself harm and he is grateful to her for saving his life.
Magneto tells Lee that he was dreaming of “a time and place I thought forever… buried.” Lee says she’s never heard such desolation in his voice. Magneto replies “Death. Resurrection. I’d have died tonight, I think, if not for you. Twice now, I owe you my life.”
Magneto and Lee have sex.
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Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars (1984) #12 “...Nothing to Fear...” by Jim Shooter
It is reveled that the Beyonder placed Magneto in the hero team because “His desires seemed like theirs.”
June
New Mutants (1983) #28 “Soulwar” by Chris Claremont
Lee has second thoughts about Magneto the morning after.
Magneto brings her breakfast the next morning, complete with a rose.
Magneto uses his powers to prevent Lee from leaving their conversation and this frightens her.
Magneto pleads with her to give him a chance. He tells Lee how Magda left him after learning he was a mutant. “My wife, Magda, had such a look on her face – I had saved us both from a marauding patrol of secret police, yet all she saw was that I had used super-powers to do it. In that moment, I became different – our love meant nothing. I was no longer human. I was a mutant, a thing. She ran from me, in terror. I never saw her again. Never knew – until much later, far too late – that she had borne my children. Don’t – please Lee, don’t you run from me, too. I cannot bear to be alone and I am sick at heart at the realization of what I have become. Help me, Lee, I… beg you. I need you.” (In this telling there is no mention of Anya, only a reference to the twins – Wanda and Pietro)
Lee refuses Magneto leaving him brokenhearted.
July
New Mutants (1983) #29 “Meanwhile, Back at the Mansion” by Chris Claremont
Lee has time to reflect and realizes she does have feelings for Magneto. She confesses her feelings for him and they reconcile.
Magneto apologizes for using his powers in a high-handed way and promises to do better.
Charles asks Magneto to lead the X-Men and the New Mutants against the Beyonder.
Secret Wars II (1985) #1 “Earthfall!” by Jim Shooter
Magneto rallies the X-Men and the New Mutants to fight the Beyonder, and as the Blackbird is out of service, Magneto uses his powers to fly the Xavier institute limousine from New York to California.
August
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #196 “What was That?!!” by Chris Claremont
Magneto is brought into the X-Men fold.
Magneto dissuades Rachel Summers from killing an anti-mutant extremest demonstrating his full acceptance of doing things the Xavier way.
Magneto states that “My children have disowned me.” Referring to Wanda and Pietro.
Magneto draws a parallel between himself and Rachel Summers saying that he “Like Rachel… has dwelled too long in the valley of the shadow of death. In too many tragic ways, we are kindred souls – survivors of the holocaust, children of the abyss.”
Kitty remarks that Magneto has the makings of a hero and Magneto replies “No. I am no hero, merely a man… who has seen and done and endured what can never be forgotten… or forgiven.”
November
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #199 “The Spiral Path” by Chris Claremont
Magneto and Kitty attend a reception at the National Holocaust Center in Washington, D.C.
Kitty asks those in attendance if they have any news of her great-aunt Chava who lived in Warsaw before the war.
Magneto reveals that he knew Kitty’s aunt at Auschwitz. He also runs into some friends, other survivors who were at Auschwitz with him. They remark that Magneto helped to save them, and many others. (One could read this conversation as implying Magneto was Polish by nationality)
Magneto’s friends state that he had been in Auschwitz “from the very start.”
Neither of his friends use his name during the conversation.
Mystique and the Freedom Force arrest Magneto for the US Government. Magneto surrenders himself into their custody.
December
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #200 “The Trial of Magneto” by Chris Claremont
Magneto is put on trial before the World Court.
Gaby Haller acts as his defense attorney.
She argues that Magneto should only be judged for actions undertaken after his rebirth from infancy.
She reveals that Magneto was an inmate in Auschwitz “as an adolescent.”
Magneto is revealed to be, biologically, only in his early thirties.
The proceedings are interrupted by an attack. Charles and Magneto end up away from the court.
Charles entrusts the running of his institute and the keeping of his dream to Magneto telling him not to return to court to be martyred. Charles is then beamed aboard a spaceship for urgent medical care.
1986
January
New Mutants (1983) #35 “The Times, They Are A’changin’!” by Chris Claremont
Magneto takes up his post as the headmaster of the Xavier Institute. Magneto tells the New Mutants he is doing this to “honor that friendship” he has with Charles.
The New Mutants are skeptical of Magneto, but Magneto asks them to give him a chance. He says that both he and Charles view this as a way of “putting things right” after all the evil he has done in his life.
Magneto has doubts about his ability to run the institute.
Magneto wishes Lee were with him, but she’s running her ship. Magneto misses her which surprises him because Magneto “thought I was beyond such caring.”
Lee wrote Magneto a letter telling him that she loved him and calling him darling.
Mirage (Dani Moonstar) is attacked on her way home from town and once Mirage is safe, Magneto finds the attackers. He destroys their house and threatens “Once, with far less cause, I would quite cheerfully have slain you – rent your bodies limb from limb as easily as I did your house. Indeed, I am sorely tempted. The world would not miss such as you. But I am older, a littler sadder – and I hope, wiser. I have learned a better way.” and “Mine is the power to destroy – but I choose not to. Profit from my example. The evil you do others returns unto you a thousandfold – it scars both body and, far worse, soul. Continue down this cruel and bloody road you’ve chosen and one day, you’re certain to meet one not as forgiving as I. Is that what you want? The choice, as ever, remains your own.”
Mirage’s attackers turn themselves into the police.
February
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #202 “X-Men, I’ve Gone to Kill the Beyonder!” by Chris Claremont
Magneto uses Cerebro.
March
Vision and the Scarlet Witch (1985) #6 “No Strings Attached!” by Steve Englehart
Wanda invites Magneto to her thanksgiving dinner but ultimately tells him that he will have to prove himself before she’ll accept him into her life.
Magneto takes responsibility for being a bad father. (the author doesn’t write consistently on if Magneto knew he was the twins’ father or not, he also doesn’t seem to care if Pietro has any hard feelings about Magneto, Wanda is the only one who counts. Also, he has Magneto call pregnant Wanda hysterical for no reason, just fyi.)
April
New Mutants (1983) #38 “Aftermath!” by Chris Claremont
The New Mutants are collectively dealing with psychic shock after their meeting with the Beyonder. This includes nightly collective nightmares for the students and Magneto.
Magneto has doubts about his ability to help the students recover.
Emma Frost offers that Magneto should send the children to her Massachusetts Academy where she can use her powers to help them.
Magneto meets the Salem Center High principal Analie Hogarth. Magneto reveals that he is posing as Charles’ “mysterious older cousin” and going under the alias Michael Xavier, an identity Charles created for him.
One of Emma’s students, a Hellion named Empath (Manuel de la Rocha) is revealed to the reader as having manipulated Magneto to feel lost and confused.
Magneto tries throughout the issue to help the New Mutants, but nothing works. He finally agrees to Emma’s offer.
May
New Mutants (1983) #39 “Pawns of the White Queen” by Chris Claremont
Magneto goes into a spiral after sending the majority of the New Mutants away to Emma’s school, Mirage and Warlock being the only students who didn’t go. Mirage criticizes Magneto for not doing more before leaving to go back to her family.
Magneto swims.
Magneto shaves with a straight razor.
Magneto learns that he was manipulated into letting the New Mutants go to Emma’s school. Magneto proclaims Emma “Will learn – very soon and to her eternal sorrow – the Magneto is not a man… to have as one’s enemy!”
Emma alerts the police, telling them that Magneto is attempting to abduct her students knowing that the Avenger’s will try and stop him.
June
New Mutants (1983) #40 “Avengers Assemble!” by Chris Claremont
The Avengers are told Magneto is going to abduct children, all of them assume Magneto has gone bad again and wants to use the children to reboot the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants with younger, more malleable minds.
Magneto has a conversation with Warlock reminding him to never take someone’s “lifeglow” aka their life force which would kill them.
The Avengers battle Magneto who tries to keep Warlock safe and not harm the Avengers. He attempts to explain himself but the Avengers refuse to listen. Captain America tells Magneto of Namor’s heroism during WWII, Magneto replies saying “How fortunate for him, Captain. At the time, I was but a victim of that self-same tyranny. Then, I lacked the strength to win my freedom – and save the lives of those I held dear – but Never Again!” Magneto insists that he has “learned a better way” and is no longer a villain.
The New Mutants rally together and come to Magneto’s aid giving Captain America pause to reflect that the Avengers have welcomed other reformed villains, why shouldn’t they also welcome Magneto.
Magneto and Emma work together to heal the New Mutants’ psychic shock. Emma “made their minds whole… but not their hearts, or souls. Now, at last, with their teachers’ help and support, they have faced their nightmares… and dealt with them… each in their own way.” Emma remarks that Magneto was able to reach the New Mutants on a deeper level which made a “crucial difference.”
September
Vision and the Scarlet Witch (1985) #12 “Double Size Climax!” by Steve Englehart
Magneto is invited to welcome Wanda and her twins home from the hospital after she gives birth.
October
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #210 “The Morning After” by Chris Claremont
Magneto is invited to take the place of the White King in the Hellfire Club.
November
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #211 “Massacre” by Chris Claremont
Magneto chides Kitty for eating junk food and tells her “Just don’t make a habit of such behavior.”
The X-Men discover that the Morlocks have been massacred. Magneto says “No! The horrors of my childhood, born again – only this time, mutants are the victims, instead of Jews.”
December
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #212 “The Last Run” by Chris Claremont
Magneto uses his powers to heal Colossus from grave injuries. The narrative states Magneto “Has taken life so often – brought harm so easily it became almost second nature. Now he has a chance to heal. He will die himself before he fails.”
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1987
January
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #213 “Psylocke” by Chris Claremont
Magneto informs the X-Men that he intends to join forces with the Hellfire Club and have the X-Men work alongside the Hellfire Club against the Marauders. The X-Men agree.
New Mutants (1983) #47 “My Heart for the Highlands” by Chris Claremont
While dealing with the aftermath of the Morlock attack, Magneto urges Moira to eat and prepares a meal for the two of them to share, complete with full place settings and candelabra.
Magneto tells Moira “I have lived my whole life with despair, Moira, believing the worst of humanity. But since becoming headmaster of Xavier’s – more especially, by knowing the New Mutants – I have learned… the virtue and power of hope. This is a lesson I will not easily cast aside.”
February
Fantastic Four vs. the X-Men (1987) #1 “Are You Sure?!” by Chris Claremont
(This miniseries dovetails into the regular Uncanny X-Men timeline and even though it runs concurrently with the similarly titled “The X-Men vs. the Avengers (1987)” these stories are not overlapping timeline wise and the events of the Fantastic Four miniseries only makes sense to have concluded before the Avengers miniseries begins.)
Kitty is in need of high tech medical care to resolidify herself after being stuck in a permanent phase. Without help she will eventually dissipate. Magneto goes to seek help from Reed Richards.
The Fantastic Four are suspicious of Magneto but agree to help.
Upon arriving at Moira’s Muir Island research facility, Reed has second thoughts and declines to help for fear he could outright kill Kitty accidentally. Magneto insists that he at least try and even attempts to steal Richards’ machine to use it himself, but the Fantastic Four thwart this plan and the X-Men are left without hope for Kitty.
New Mutants (1983) #48 “Ashes of the Heart” by Chris Claremont
Magneto is alone at the Mansion, the New Mutants having disappeared and by many are presumed dead.
Magneto goes through each New Mutant’s room and tidies it with the help of little robots he calls widgets.
Stevie Hunter, the school PE teacher, tells Magneto he should give up and face reality that the New Mutants are dead. Magneto tells her “I’ve come to know these children, and… care for them. Whatever I was, Stevie – whatever I become – they mean too much to me… to abandon them.”
March
Fantastic Four vs. the X-Men (1987) #2 “Truth and Consequences” by Chris Claremont
Magneto and the X-Men turn to Doctor Doom for help to save Kitty.
New Mutants (1983) #49 “Ashes of the Soul” by Chris Claremont
Magneto has a dream of when his family was killed by the German death squads known as the Einsatzgruppen.
It is spring time. A small group of people are gathered in front of a pit in the countryside.
Magneto is depicted as a young, black-haired boy, perhaps 10 years old, wearing short pants and long socks.
Magneto’s sister appears to be two or three years older than him.
German soldiers fire at the group of people killing all save Magneto. Without understanding what happens, Magneto’s powers manifest enough to spare him from death, “His mind burns, power he never dreamed existed coming alive.”
He is buried with his family and the rest of the victims, but since he did not die he climbs out of the pit.
Magneto is depicted breaking through the earth to the shock of the German soldiers. Magneto’s black hair has turned white.
Magneto wakes from his memory-dream thinking “So long ago, so far away. Yet the memories are still vivid. Every detail, etched with acid. My power – my mastery over magnetism – first manifested itself that morning. It saved me, why wouldn’t it do the same for those I loved?! The Germans were so astonished by my survival, the decided to spare my life. I was sent instead to a concentration camp. Auschwitz. Sometimes, I wish I hadn’t struggled so hard.”
Magneto wonders if his dream is a harbinger of mutantkind’s eventual fate.
Magneto is still undecided about joining the Hellfire Club thinking “If we stand alone, we could be destroyed. If I accept this alliance… we could be destroyed! The choice is mine – the responsibility is mine – but I don’t know what to do!”
April
The X-Men vs. the Avengers (1987) #1 “Justice for All” by Roger Stern
The Avengers track down Magneto and insist they’re going to bring him back before the World Court and end his trail properly.
(Jim Shooter is fired as Editor in Chief from Marvel Comics this month leading to several years of corporate fuckery that resulted in erasing all of Magneto’s character development and pivoting him back to being an antagonist by the 90’s)
May
New Mutants (1983) #51 “Teacher’s Choice” by Chris Claremont
Magneto and Storm work together to repair a failing breakwater and save a human community from a hurricane.
Storm urges Magneto to accept the position of White King in the Hellfire Club.
Magneto refers to his helmet as a symbol of his past life as a super-villain.
Magneto and Storm jointly accept the role of White King.
June
Fantastic Four vs. the X-Men (1987) #4 “A Matter of Faith” by Chris Claremont
Magneto confides in Storm his feelings of helplessness to do anything to save Kitty. He reflects on his past saying “Roughly five hundred miles in that direction is Auschwitz – the Nazi death camp – where my parents and sister were murdered. I should have died with them. And due west from Latveria is the Soviet city of Vinnitsa. There was a fire. I was injured saving my wife. My daughter remained trapped in the burning building. She was much like Kitty, my Anya. The most beautiful of children – two years old, Ororo, and she never cried. She only laughed – with wonder and joy – as though life was some magnificent adventure, staged for her alone.” (There is some contradiction between this telling and the others, some of the details change as ideas are developed even though the story remains wholly the same.)
He goes on to say “She burned, Storm! My power was weaker then. I used it to save my wife, but couldn’t reach Anya. A crowd had gathered. I begged for help. They refused me. They saw I was a mutant and some called for me to be hurled into the same flames that consumed my child. Too late – in rage and a grief that ravages me still – I came at last to my birthright: the absolute control over the forces and manifestations of magnetism that is the power of… Magneto! Magda… was so terrified of my power… and how I wielded it… that she fled from me. How different, I wonder, would the pathway of my life have been if she had not? In that awful moment, Storm, I lost everything.” (This telling of the story does not include the secret police)
Magneto tells Storm that he feels he is forever haunted by his past saying that people insist on seeing him as a villain even though he’s changed. He reflects that maybe he should have gone back to finish his trial.
Reed Richards finally comes to help them save Kitty and later Magneto and Richards make peace with each other.
July
The X-Men vs. the Avengers (1987) #4 “Day of Judgment” by Tom DeFalco
Magneto surrenders himself to the Avengers and agrees to finish his trial before the World Court.
Gaby Haller once again acts as his defense attorney.
Magneto uses his helmet and advanced technology circuits to influence the chief justice to rule in his favor. It is unclear, however, if he actually was able to influence the judge or if the judge ruled in Magneto’s favor of his own volition. The court declares it has no jurisdiction over Magneto.
Marvel Fanfare #33 “Shadows on the Soul” by Chris Claremont
(This story originally written for a different series but never released until 1987.)
Magneto and Lee are together and confess their feelings for each other.
Magneto calls the X-Men his friends.
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #219 “Where Duty Lies” by Chris Claremont
It is revealed that Magneto has publicly assumed the identity as a cousin of Charles’ who also bears the last name Xavier.
August
Classic X-Men (1986) #12 by Chris Claremont
(Classic X-Men reprinted earlier Claremont X-Men stories but added new material (sometimes individual pages, sometimes additional short stories) to fill out the issue and tie into current comic continuity. Claremont wrote both the original X-Men issue that was being reprinted and the new material that was added.)
(New material that takes place directly after Uncanny X-Men (1963) #104)
Magneto is asleep not long after being resurrected by Eric the Red. He is dreaming “As always, the dream begins with Auschwitz… and Magda. More than a million people died in this camp. And with World War II ending – the Third Reich defeated – it’s guards wanted no witnesses left… to tell the tale of this horror.”
Magneto prevents a camp guard from killing Magda, then takes the guard’s gun and runs away with Magda.
Magneto is said to have “been here from the start… grown to manhood within its electrified barbed wire fence. If he was to die, it would not be in this abattoir… and not without a fight!”
Magneto and Magda run into the wilderness, eventually escaping into the Carpathian Mountains where they eventually settle and begin to build a life together. The page shows Magneto felling a tree, learning woodworking, studying, Magneto socializing with friends at a dinner table, getting married to Magda and cuddling his wife and newborn daughter, Anya.
Magneto is described as having “an insatiable hunger for knowledge, coupled with a wildfire intelligence” so eventually “he bade the village farewell and took his family eastward, into the Soviet Union, hoping to win a place at university” (This suggests that Magneto was living in a village in the Polish side of the Carpathians)
Magneto, Magda and Anya come to the “city of Vinnitsa, the biggest they’d ever seen.” (This suggests that Magneto and Magda came from a rural village or town before being sent to Auschwitz)
Magneto leaves his wife and daughter to go find work.
Anya is depicted as a child between 4-6 years old.
Magneto’s powers first manifest when he has a disagreement with another man. Magneto realizes the powers come from himself and isn’t sure what to make of it.
Magneto returns to the inn where he and his family are staying since this is their first day in the city. The inn is on fire and Anya is trapped on the second floor of the building.
Magda is in the building trying to save their daughter, Magneto uses his powers to get her to safety.
Magneto curses in Russian.
Magneto attempts to get to Anya but is prevented by secret police who are trying to arrest him for his earlier disagreement.
Anya dies in the fire, Magneto’s powers break loose killing those around him save for Magda.
Magda is terrified by what she just witnessed and runs away from Magneto.
Magneto wakes from his dream and uses his powers to save a nearby mother and child from a fire.
Magneto speaks French.
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1988
January
New Mutants Annual (1984) #4 “Mind Games” by Louise Simonson
Magneto lectures Sunspot (Roberto da Costa) that the new Mutant Registration Act presents a real danger to all mutants. He states “There are diverse elements in the government who are eager to locate us mutants… in part through their Mutant Registration Act. Some of them would use us. The others would destroy us. I have staked my life that they will do neither.”
New Mutants (1983) #59 “Fang and Claw!” by Louise Simonson
Magneto is overjoyed when Sunspot and Warlock return from an absence.
A villain pulls up a file on the New Mutants showing their images and listing everyone’s name, code-name and powers. Magneto’s profile lists him as “Magnus, Magneto, Master of Magnetism, School’s Headmaster” no last name is given.
February
Classic X-Men (1986) #18 by Chris Claremont
(Additional material to Uncanny X-Men (1963) #112)
Storm reflects on when Magneto was turned into an infant, thinking “He returned completely to a state of grace.”
March
(The X-Men are presumed dead after the events of Uncanny X-Men #227)
New Mutants (1983) #61 “Our Way!” by Louise Simonson
Magneto discovers one of the New Mutants, Cypher (Doug Ramsey) has been murdered after a misadventure. Magneto lashes out at the New Mutants for not protecting Doug and for disobeying him. Everyone is deeply upset.
Magneto goes to the infirmary where Doug’s body is laying. He pulls back the sheet covering Doug and looks at the boy thinking “Curse you Charles Xavier, for putting me in this position! I have no rapport with these children. Observe the bitter fruit of my labors!” Magneto kneels at the side of the table where Doug lays and weeps over his body. “An ill wind is coming… they are registering mutants like the once registered my people in Poland…! Who knows what horrors await us. But they are only children. How can they possibly understand… any of this.” (This suggests Magneto is Polish by birth)
Classic X-Men (1986) #19 by Chris Claremont
(Additional material to Uncanny X-Men (1963) #113)
Magneto is described thusly: “His wealth places him far beyond the dreams of avarice. And he numbers some of the finest minds on Earth among his acquaintances. The one facet of his personality that has not changed throughout the decades is his love of learning coupled with an insatiable curiosity about the universe.”
Magneto is a regular correspondent with Stephen Hawking.
Magneto is seen working with advanced scientific equipment making discoveries capable of revolutionizing particle physics and would qualify him for a Nobel prize.
Magneto remembers that Magda used to find him studying long hours to the point that he’d “forgotten food, and sleep, and even her.”
Magneto shaves with an electric razor.
Magneto thinks about Magda and Anya thinking since his resurrection he’s never been stronger or more haunted.
Magneto wonders if Magda is still alive and if she recognizes the famous “evil mutant” as her former husband.
Magneto describes Charles as his dearest friend.
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(New material presented in the form of a backflash that takes place at some point after the Uncanny X-Men (1963) #161 story which details Charles and Magneto meeting for the first time. This story suggests that these events take place shortly before Uncanny X-Men #1 when the X-Men face Magneto for the first time in 1963.)
Magneto single-handedly takes out a secret Nazi base in South America and captures Oberstrumbanführer Hans Richter to be taken back to Israel and put on trial.
After using his powers, Magneto suffers from debilitating psychic pain “Worse than the bite of the kapo’s whip, the murder of parents and family. The death of a child. The loss of a beloved wife. It passes quickly leaving him alive – and almost wishing he wasn’t.” Magneto observes that “These seizures strike now whenever I use my powers. More extreme my usage, more debilitating the attack.”
Magneto reports of the captured Nazi to a group called only “Control” (This seems to be a stand in for a Mossod style organization.)
Two weeks later, in Rio de Janiero, Magneto reads an article about Charles Xavier and wonders if he shouldn’t reconnect with him and seek help for his psychic attacks.
A woman in a bikini and sarong approaches Magneto asking why he’s dressed so formally in a suit and tie at a beach front cafe. Magneto replies “This, I’m afraid, is as uninhibited as I get.”
The woman turns out to be Magneto’s lover Isabelle, no last name is given.
Magneto recounts to Isabelle about how Anya died and Magda left him.
Control did not want Richter captured as he was a useful informant, so they send a squad to kill Isabelle and Magneto. They succeed in slaying Isabelle, but Magneto uses his powers to fight against them.
Magneto looks on Isabelle’s body completely disillusioned with humanity. The reader is told that “the dream dies… and the nightmare is born.”
June
New Mutants (1983) #64 “Instant Replay!” by Louise Simonson
Magneto is disgusted with himself after being forced to lie about the circumstances of Cypher’s death. He tells the New Mutants “It’s wrong. His parents have the right to know the truth about their son… about the way he died. But I feel that it would be dangerous to reveal ourselves as mutants at this time.”
August
New Mutants (1983) #66 “Sorcerer’s Duel!” by Louise Simonson
Magneto is seen in his old purple and red villain costume for the first time since Uncanny X-Men #188 and Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #12. This seems to be the start of Magneto’s corporate mandated pivot back to being an antagonist.
November
New Mutants (1983) #69 “Bad Company” by Louise Simonson
Magneto, dressed once more in his traditional red and purple outfit, holds his helmet in his hands as he says “All I have ever wanted for mutantkind is peace and prosperity. I thought I had found a better way to achieve my goal… and eschewed my old, violent ways. I had hoped to find solace as teacher and protector of the young. But they refuse to be safeguarded, if they are on Earth, I will find them… and protect them actively in the way that I know best.” Magneto puts his helmet on.
1989
April
New Mutants (1983) #74 “The Right Stuff” by Louise Simonson
Shaw blames Magneto for damages to New York City caused by Magick’s (Illyana Rasputin) Limbo demons.
Magneto and Sebastian Shaw fight each other briefly, Magneto accuses Shaw of not caring for mutantkind.
Later, Magneto talks to Emma and suggests that Shaw was right to blame him.
May
New Mutants (1983) #75 “King of the Hill!” by Louise Simonson
Magneto fights with Shaw for control of the Hellfire Club.
Magneto comes out of the confrontation victorious and Shaw is expelled from the club.
Magneto and the New Mutants have a falling out and the New Mutants refuse to have anything more to do with him.
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November
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #253 “Storm Warnings” by Chris Claremont
Magneto and Moira quarrel on Muir Island about him parting ways with the X-Men, the New Mutants and the Xavier Institute.
Magneto is convinced “There is a war coming, Moira. And you are a fool if you do not see it. We mutants cannot be wished away, we are here on this earth, more and more born every day. There are those who will accept us, and those who fear us and seek our destruction. And, worst of all, those like Genoshans… who desire to exploit us for their own power and profit. We must be strong enough – as a people – to survive without the sufferance of the one or the aggression of the others. I mean to ensure that. I must – because there is no one else.”
Magneto tells Banshee “I am sorry things have to end like this – but I suspect it’s for the best. Some roads are better traveled alone.”
Magneto leaves.
1990
October
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #269 “Rogue Redux” by Chris Claremont
Magneto intervenes to save Rogue’s life after she is reborn from another dimension without her mutant abilities. He attempts to return her to her previous strength and powers in his base in the Savage Lands.
1991
February
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #273 “Too Many Mutants” by Chris Claremont
Jean tells Storm that she’s concerned Magneto is returning to his old ways.
March
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #274 “Crossroads” by Chris Claremont
Magneto narrates this issue: “All my life, I have been drawn to the wild and desolate places of the world. As a boy, I saw myself walking where no man ever had. Alone against the elements. The more I came to know of people… the more strongly that yearning dream spoke to me. As the fierce, unyielding emptiness without struck some resonant echo within my heart and soul. Yet for all of that… for all of life replete with it’s share and far more of rage and pain and suffering, as harshly given as endured… still I manage to find myself with allies. Who appear determined to stand by me, regardless. I wonder which are the greater fools: they for trying and trusting, or me for allowing it.”
Magneto is working with Ka-Zar and a depowered Rogue in the Savage Lands against the evil Zaladane.
When Rogue fights one of Zaladane’s goons, Magneto intervenes, thinking “I hear my daughter Anya scream as she burns before my eyes… hear Isabelle’s gasp of surprise as she is murdered… two I loved but were unable to save. Only avenge. It will not be that way with Rogue.”
Rogue presses Magneto to be merciful, saying “We’re the good guys, right?! We’re s’posed t’ stand for something better!” Magneto narrates “She actually believes that. Why can’t I? All I see is blood. That already spilled. That yet to be. I see my path so clearly. But I turn away.”
Magneto narrates “Later in my citadel, I reflect that ages ago – in what for me was another lifetime – I used my knowledge of genetics to mutate a band of swamp savages into super-powered beings. When they were no longer useful, I abandoned them to their fate, forgot their very existence. More of my past come back to haunt my present and threaten the future.” and in regards to his past as leader of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants “It is a goal I once had, in those long-gone days of madness, when I was reviled and condemned as a super-villain” and then later “My life’s ambition has been to safeguard my fellow mutants. Zaladane has no such compunction. And I hear the echo of Der Führer’s voice in the radio of memory, smell the awful stench of the sick and dying as the cattle cars brought the condemned to Auschwitz. I wear red, the color of blood, in tribute to their lost lives. And the harder I try to cast it aside, to find a gentler path… the more irresistibly I’m drawn back. I should have died myself, with those I loved. Instead, I carted the bodies by the hundred by the thousands… from the death house to the crematorium… and the ashes to the burial ground. Asking now what I could not then – why was I spared?! To bring others the death that passed me by?”
Magneto narrates on Zaladane “The more I come to know of her… the more I find myself trapped in a mirror… staring at a distorted vision of myself. Sleep is a mistake. But I’m so weary this once I can’t resist. Any more than I can hold at bay… the nightmares that come along. Flowers. Scent of growing things. Joyful sounds of life. So clear. So crisp, after more than half a century. Someone sobs. My sister holds tight my hand. My father still cannot believe this is happening. I hear laughter. The guns blaze, and I’m falling with the others. Into darkness. Loamy earth smell tainted by the acrid burning of lime. All of us pressed so tight together, embracing eternity. So easy to give up. Lie in my grave. Breathe my last. But I fight!” (This recounts the events around Magneto's family's death depicted in The New Mutants #49)
Rogue wakes Magneto and they share a moment before being interrupted by Ka-Zar. Magneto thinks “Am I imagining the sudden spark between us. Leaving Rogue as shaken as I? Leave well enough alone. I am pledged to another. As much as one can pledge a heart full of ghosts.”
Magneto narrates “I cannot recall a point in my life when I did not fight. Nor any longer of a time when war held the slightest horror for me.”
Magneto’s group is aided by Nick Fury’s group which includes the father of one of the Soviet sailors killed by Magneto on the submarine Leningrad. Magneto narrates “Again, a cry from the past. One father to another, in anguished grief for a slain child. At the time, my actions seemed quite appropriate. The Leningrad had fired a salvo of nuclear ballistic missiles at me, so I sank her, with all hands. Thinking of that crew not as people, but merely an object lesson: how dare they defy me, threaten me, these Russians whose countrymen let my daughter burn to death? There is too much history and hate between us. I cannot talk to these men.”
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April
Uncanny X-Men (1963) #274 “The Path Not Taken” by Chris Claremont and Jim Lee
The Russian colonel guns down Magneto leading to him being captured by Zaladane. The colonel joins Zaladane. Zaladane uses a machine to try and transfer Magneto’s powers to herself. Under the influence of the machine Magneto narrates “Try as I might, I cannot stop this. And worst of all, as my life is torn from me, turned into a sideshow entertainment for the Brainchild’s sadistic pleasure… with my strength devoted wholly to that struggle, I have nothing left to block my emotional responses to the memories themselves. Once more, I hear myself howl ‘til my voice shatters at the sight of my daughter, Anya, burning to death before my eyes. Once more, hot blood mixes with salt tears as my beloved Isabelle’s throat is cut by those I thought my trusted friends. Once more, rage flashes through me… hand in hand with a terror I’d not felt since Auschwitz… as at last I confront the Shadow King. Followed by sick shame at the awful cost of my survival.”
Zaladane leaves Magneto with her minions. Rogue and her team have infiltrated Zaladanes stronghold and once Magneto realizes they are there, he strikes the minions unexpectedly. Magneto narrates “They think me beaten, finished. A mistake many have made in the past. As I found the strength, as a boy, to survive being machine gunned and buried alive, and later the unimaginable horror of Auschwitz… so do I find it in me, here and now, to break free.”
Magneto narrates “The primal, paramount lesson of my life is that I can depend on no one save myself.”
Magneto fights against the Russian colonel saying “I am sorry for your son, colonel. Which is more than I ever heard… for the slaughter of those I loved.” Colonel Semyanov says “Your… daughter you mean? And that absolves you of any crime?” Magneto replies “I never said it did. For who we are, and what we have done, comrade colonel… we are both of us condemned.”
Rogue and Magneto argue over how he intends to deal with Zaladane. Magneto says “The New Mutants were left in my charge and they suffered for it – because I tried to pattern myself after Charles Xavier. I am not Charles Xavier. I will never be Charles Xavier. I was a fool to try. As he was, for believing I could succeed. My people are in danger – more so now than ever before – from the Hellfire Club and their accursed Shadow Kind, from foul creatures such as this, perhaps even from the very United Nations which Colonel Fury loyally serves. And a kinder, gentler Magneto cannot save them.”
October
X-Men (1991) #1 “Rubicon” by Chris Claremont and Jim Lee
Magneto has established a mutant haven on a new Asteroid M. World governments are wary of it and the X-Men are dispatched to discover what’s going on.
Magneto raises the submarine Leningrad (which he sank in Uncanny X-Men #150) from the sea floor. He finds some of the nuclear missiles the submarine was carrying are intact.
Inside the submarine, Magneto finds himself sitting among the bones of the Leningrad’s crew. “Now though, at last, he finds himself face to face with the consequence of his acts. And he remembers another time, other bodies, bones still coated with the flesh of family and friends, tossed into a lime-soaked pit and him along with them, only he was still alive. Somehow, he clawed his way to the surface.” (This again refers to the account of Magneto's family's death in The New Mutants #49)
Rogue tells Magneto that his actions are scaring people. Magneto says “I tried my best to change, I did my best to follow Xavier’s path to a peaceful co-existence between Homo Sapiens and Homo Sapiens Superior. And paid for that folly with the blood of innocents.”
Later on Asteroid M, Magneto ruminates on his latest conflict with the X-Men thinking of Wolverine in particular “For the brief time I worked with the X-Men, he accepted me wholeheartedly. If not as a friend, then at least as a comrade-in-arms. Why then has he turned on me? What has changed? Why must blood always come between me and others?” (Magneto has been working with the X-Men and the New Mutants since 1985)
Radical mutant acolytes that have decided to follow Magneto, led by Fabian Cortez, fight with the X-Men. Magneto puts a stop to it and says “All my life, I have seen people slaughtered wholesale for no more reason than the deity they worshipped, or the color of their skin – or the presence in their DNA of an extra, special gene. I cannot change the world but I can – and will – ensure that my race will never again suffer for its fear and prejudice. Henceforth, I declare Asteroid M a sovereign world. Home and haven to mutantkind. If you are born Homo Sapiens Superior, then you are automatically a citizen, entitled to safe haven above and security below. Even you X-Men – even your mentor, my old friend, Charles Xavier – are welcome here. But mark this and mark it well – harm done against any mutant is harm done to me. And I shall respond accordingly.”
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X-Men (1991) #2 “Firestorm” by Chris Claremont and Jim Lee
Beast says that the Genoshans are changing for the better, and asks why Magneto is going in the opposite direction. Magneto says “You know that answer, Beast… you would have to live my life. And I would not wish such a fate, even on my most hated enemy.”
Magneto abducts Charles and Moira looking for answers about his genetic structure. Moira admits that she saw there was a genetic instability in Magneto’s genetic matrix, and she tried to stabilize it when he was an infant in her care.
Magneto is infuriated that Moira conducted genetic experimentation on him in an attempt to change who he was. He questions every decision he’s made since his rebirth.
Moira is apologetic, but Magneto’s anger is unabated. He tells her “I heard those same rationales as a boy, in the Auschwitz death camp, from Dr. Josef Mengele himself!”
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X-Men (1991) #3 “Fallout” by Chris Claremont and Jim Lee
Moira reveals that the genetic experimentation she did on baby Magneto didn’t work.
Moira also points out that Cortez has been using his power to weaken Magneto.
Cortex flees Asteroid M and fires a shot at the complex that will kill all the inhabitants.
Charles and the X-Men prepare to leave in their spacecraft, but Magneto refuses to leave with them instead choosing to stay on the asteroid to preserve its integrity as long as possible using his powers. He tells Charles “My life was shaped by forces and events none of you can possibly understand. You speak to the best of humanity. I have endured the worst. You imagine the reality of the Holocaust, of the Nazi death camps. I grew up in one. Perhaps, as you say, I am tainted by blood and rage – and death. But perhaps as well, that blood and rage and death comprise the armor that will sustain me and those who stand by me through the ordeal to come. The past is prologue, old friend. And the future I behold for you is… war. We have already chosen our path.”
Asteroid M blows up just as the X-Men escape. Charles tells them all “At the last… he opened his thoughts to me. He is still the man I remember from younger, happier days – who was my friend – and yet… none of that matters anymore, does it? ‘I save you, X-Men,’ he said, ‘because that is my task in life: to safeguard my people – Homo Sapiens Superior – mutantkind – from those who would do us harm. And those forces are legion. In that and I suspect nothing else, Charles, we are much alike. I have survived one Holocaust, I could not tolerate another. Nor any who – by accident, by intent – act to bring it about. I bore no animus to you, old friend, or your students until you chose to oppose me. Then, I had no choice but to count you among my enemies. Have no illusions on that score. Perhaps it’s best it end this way, Charles. Best for my dream to end in flames and glory, here far above Earth… for if we were ever to meet again… I would have shown you no mercy. I give you your dream, Charles. But I fear, in time, your heart will break as you realize it has ever been a fool’s hope. Farewell, my friend.”
Chris Claremont was removed from the X-Men without explanation and left Marvel after this book. He had been writing for the X-Men for 17 years. To learn more about Chris Claremont and his work on the X-Men and the corporate fuckery that lead to him leaving watch the 2018 documentary Chris Claremont’s X-Men which is currently available free on YouTube.
If you feel like I’ve overlooked or left out an important issue from the 1963-1991 era, please contact me and let me know. I will update this list with more information if any comes to light.
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I only remember Max interacting with the twins in Children's Crusade, but I also recall Al Ewing saying he wanted to eventually get Magneto and Billy on the same page again. Honestly the connection to Tommy always intrigued me more, though; with Max even noting that Tommy is very similar to him.
It makes sense that Ewing would be interested in getting Billy and Magneto on-page together, because they're both prominent characters that he was writing in different books at around the same time. Empyre, Guardians and Last Annihilation were coming out at the same time as S.W.O.R.D. and X-Men Red, and they even cross over a few times-- Ewing has always been really good at weaving his various ongoing titles together, even if they take place in very different parts of the Marvel world.
So, yeah, I can see why he'd want to have them interact. Billy and Magneto are-- or were, at the time-- both acting as heads of state in newly formed nations that were recovering from millennia of war. Having the two of them in a room together could bring up some really interesting social and political conversations-- these are two closely connected characters who share certain elements of their backgrounds and personal beliefs, but also have very different outlooks and experiences. It's kind of how I felt about Billy interacting with Doctor Doom in Guardians-- Billy is a much younger, more idealistic person who's led an objectively more privileged life, so putting him in conversation with somebody from his community that is much older, and with a much less idealistic praxis, who has already learned a lot of the hard lessons about power and liberation, could bring up some really profound stuff. It's a shame that Ewing didn't have the time or commitment to explore either of those dynamics.
Is Tommy more similar to Magneto? Maybe. I think they have more in common, in terms of life experience, but I don't think Tommy is any more or less radical than his brother. Billy's introduction as an Avengers fanboy and his mental health storylines tend to make people forget that he's just as quick to anger and unafraid of violence as anybody else in his family. If anything, I think Tommy is more avoidant when it comes to conflict and cause, but that's partially an editorial issue-- it's not his fault that he's been absent from so many books.
But Tommy and Magneto do get along the best in Children's Crusade. I can certainly imagine that Magneto would, in his uniquely toxic way, look at Tommy as a second chance to do better with Pietro. He's probably more open and paternal with Tommy, whereas I can imagine he might be a little high-handed with Billy, and maybe project some of his anxieties about Wanda.
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Silver Age of Comics Villains Mount Rushmore
So I am doing a Mount Rushmore for the greatest supervillains
Rules:Just doing DC and Marvel
Will limit the villains to the era they appear in
This time the Silver Age (1956-1970)
Our 12 contenders(Silver Age is full of iconic villains so limiting it to 12 is HARD )
Brainiac
Magneto
Kingpin
Green Goblin
Captain Cold
Juggernaut
Black Manta
Sinestro
Reverse Flash
Doctor Doom
Galactus
Doc Ock
Runners up
Guys......This one is hard,the silver age is full of some of the most iconic villains ever
Captain Cold I know not a lot about ,but I love the idea of a working class villain who has his own moral code
Black Manta killed Aqua Mans baby and is one of the most iconic adversaries ,but not as familiar
Galactus is a THREAT,he is a cosmic being who EATS worlds....But he isnt mallicious and is moreapathetic
Sinestro is another iconic adversary BUT simialr to Black Manta Im not as familiar with him
Brainiac and Kingpin are among my personal favorites ,I love these two (Kingpin is my personal fave Marvel villain ) BUT Im not sure for the silver age they fit the Rushmore
Juggernaut is a THREAT ,an unstoppable brute BUT he isnt too bright
Green Goblin nearly made the list ,as he is Spidermans most PERSONAL foe.....But Id argue someone else is more iconic
And My Rushmore Villains are
Reverse Flash :Petty.Just pure pettyness and petty works for a villain.The fanboy turned hater ,and an example of the villainous mirror .What I have experienced with this petty asshole convinced me to include him
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Doc Ock-While Goblin is more personal,I feel Ock is more iconic from his design to having a unique relationship with Spiderman ,that is more forged from years as battles.I dunno I feel Ock is a more silver age feeling character
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Magneto-The tragic villain and one who flip flops a bit between villain and anti hero ,being both friend and adversary to Charles Xavier.Hes a villain whose motives you understand even while he does villanious deeds,and I think that uniqueness secures him a place on the Rushmore
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Doctor Doom-The easy choice .Doom is just fun .He has a cool design .Hes egocentric but he has the power and intellect to back it up while also having a burning hatred for his adversary Reed Richards .While Magneto is the villain you understand,Doom is the villain you love to hate,you boo and hiss but you cant help but love him a little bit ,so he has to be on the rushmore
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So my Mount Rushmore for the Silver Age,is Reverse Flash,Doc Ock ,Magneto and Doctor Doom
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I realize on some level, every comic is a snapshot of its era, but some are better snapshots than others. Like Acts of Vengeance here.
Magneto and Doom are, of course, absolutely timeless villains. Fisk was at the time a major player with both DD and the Punisher. The Red Skull was THE Captain America villain during this period, responsible for or involved with a majority of his plots. And even the Mandarin was a big presence as an Iron Man villain, and would get heavily involved with the X-Men for this event.
And (spoilers) Loki was behind it all, in his scheming, murderous villain days.
All big names. There’s a couple other villains of significance around then, but they either declined to join or were dead at the time.
These days, Doom remains Doom, eternal.
Magneto is currently dead, scheduled to return, but has pretty much been some kind of face for a good ten years.
Red Skull still shows up to trouble Captain America, was THE villain of Uncanny Avengers, the principle mover of the aXis crossover, but isn’t quite the presence he was.
The Mandarin has been dead for a while, left in the problematic past, his rings more important than he himself is.
Fisk became a mayor of NYC and trouble to all its heroes for several years, staying plot relevant, and has recently jumped into the X-verse as a pseudo ally.
Loki has more or less completed a face turn on account of Hiddleston’s charism and synergy.
And the Wizard?
He was never important, then or now. He’s the Doctor Zoidberg of this group. A man whose greatest accomplishment is convincing two other people to team up with him and Paste Pot Pete to try and kill the FF.
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there is something genuinely fascinating about both Miguel O’Hara and Mayday Parker getting their first prominent appearances in DECADES in the same movie, and it feels like it could be somewhat metatextual because their respective timelines are mutually exclusive and in fact branch out from the same source:
Mayday, or Spider-Girl, started out in MC2; a future continuity based around the children of the main superheroes and set about ten or so years in the future. Mayday was the most prominent of them but we also got a fair number of other characters including a future iteration of the Fantastic Four, the daughter of Wolverine and Elektra, the heroic son of Juggernaut (who implicitly had made a turn to good here) and it was specifically spun off of the then present plot lines in Fantastic Four at the time. It’s one of the more positive and fun futures where for the most part, things are pretty cool and there isn’t constant misery.
Conversely, Marvel 2099 was explicitly a cyberpunk dystopia of mutants oppressed to the point that they only survive in a tiny enclave, there are no living superheroes until the emergence of the main characters of this timeline and all previous heroes have been dead for a very long time, remembered only as obscure urban legends and folk heroes. It’s a bleak, terrible time and everything is so bad that Doctor Doom traveling to the future and plotting to take over as a dictator made him a hero because everything was so awful that he was a better alternative.
The dividing point seems to be the Onslaught Event; a HUGE crossover event for Marvel when Xavier mind-wiped Magneto in a fit of rage, causing the worst part of their minds to bleed together into an unstoppable monster combining Magneto’s most violent impulses with Xavier’s suppressed contempt and frustrations, dialed up 1000x and bent on wiping out all life. In one timeline, Onslaught is beaten, no one dies, and things are cool. In the darker timeline, EVERYONE dies, and in a world without heroes it goes straight down the dystopia pipeline.
(In the actual event, most of the heroes die to take down Onslaught, but are reborn, but that took a while and in the meantime the only survivors were the X-Men, and the public as a whole immediately turned to widespread hatred and abuse towards mutants in general, blaming them for the deaths of the heroes and Onslaught’s existence. There’s a bit afterwards where Beast is trying to enjoy time outside and he overhears a mother yelling at her son that pretending to be a mutant is a dirty and disgusting thing, and he bitterly thinks that nothing ever changes; the X-Men helped save the world and they’re immediately blamed for it but that’s just because it sucks to be a mutant.)
but anyway the point is that both Mayday and Miguel are from timelines that are diametrically opposed; their existences are contrary, and it even suits their respective personalities. Miguel is every bit the cyberpunk protagonist he seems like, while Mayday is fun personified, even in the timelines when she’s fused with the Venom symbiote and being one of the few genuine heroes left
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The Most Epic Avengers/X-Men Story in 60 years
It’s hard to say which is the greatest Avengers story in the last 60 years. The same goes for X-Men 
Both teams came into existence on July 2nd, 1963 thanks to Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Both redefined the concept of a superhero team in the most Marvel way possible, and both have led to the creation of many new characters as well as comic book titles 
And yet, if we have to choose a story that involves both teams that was published at a time when both were dominating the headlines in the comic book industry, only one epic stands out from the rest 
But before we reveal our verdict, here’re some notable mentions in which Avengers & X-Men (core teams) crossed paths with each other:
Uncanny X-Men no. 9 (1964)
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Uncanny X-Men no. 45/Avengers no. 53 (1968)
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Secret Wars (1984)
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Uncanny X-Men no. 190-191 (1985)
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X-Men vs The Avengers (1987 Limited Series)
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X-Men/Avengers Bloodties (1993, 30th Anniversary Crossover)
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X-Men/Marvel Universe: Onslaught (1996) 
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X-Men vs The Avengers (2012)
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The Verdict
In 2005, rising star Brian Michael Bendis after shaking much of the Marvel Universe with his Avengers: Disassembled and Secret War stories gave the readers an epic: House of M 
The X-Men were riding high from Grant Morrison’s run while the Avengers were coming off the most shocking event in their history with some of their members being killed off for good by an out-of-control Scarlet Witch 
This is a story that broke heroes from within. This is a story that shocked the comic book community to the core. There were no Magneto’s Acolytes involved, nor there was Doctor Doom or the Beyonder as the main antagonist(s). While the title had implied Magneto through the use and emphasis on the letter ‘M’, the reality as it unfolded by issue no. 8 was completely mind-blowing for it involved two of the oldest Avengers that were the cause of this ordeal 
While Wanda’s madness has been explored before, this story took it to a whole new level. It changed the Marvel Universe (really) and it wounded our favorite heroes deeply, adding to their existing emotional traumas in the most unexpected ways possible   
It is a story where pleasant dreams shroud the heartbreaking realities of our superheroes until they break free from Wanda’s hex/hypnosis 
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It jjust occurred to me that Disney might pick a random white guy to play Doctor Doom (and make a point about fascism) when Doctor Doom's back story is entirely about anti Romani discrimination (both his parents were died as a result of discrimination and he was persecuted when he was young)
It'd be like making Magneto non-Jewish
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Oh man there's a lot more panels/pages which make no sense the more you look at them believe me. Like the one where they show Azazel taking over if Kurt doesn't exist to stop him and all of Destiny and Mystique's plan
Firstly, the bamfs are there... Azazel only has them once he gets to Hell.... He only gets to Hell when Kurt dies and goes to Heaven... Kurt can only die and go to Heaven if he existed in the first place. Also Azazel goes for the Bamfs AFTER Kurt defeated him a first time. So like that's a big plothole
Secondly, yo how tall is Azazel did he get a growth spurt or something cuz he looks taller than Apocalypse even when he's sitting down
Thirdly, in the pile of bodies you see infront of Azazel's throne, there's Storm, Magneto, Jean Grey and the Avengers but also... Doctor Doom. I've said enou- No actually there's more. There's maybe real Angels in the background and the description says "Irene had beheld the obnoxious old fiend bestriding the cosmos" which makes things even funnier because Azazel is now stronger than literal beings made by God and whatever cosmic entities exist in the far beyond... But still gets defeated by someone who now "just looks like him" and doesn't even know MAGIC
"Unless a child was born that he would assume was his own [...] Unless his preoccupation with his heirs would allow for the boy to sabotage his big stupid ambitions -- not once but many times." = (This is why the editors on the wiki pages are going crazy) There's a lot of things wrong about this part, mainly that Azazel can't just assume.
The only people he is able to mind-control have been shown to be related to him, his very children, which is how he got Nightcrawler to his island in the first place. No one else. Really the second you say Kurt isn't related to him you unwillingly lead to the logical assumption that Azazel has mind control powers that work on anyone... Which is false. Next Azazel's Heaven take-over could only happen because Nightcrawler was his anchor there. Nightcrawler was his anchor there because they're blood related. If Azazel has been assuming Kurt was his kid when he wasn't, does that mean Azazel has had the ability to yeet himself to Heaven and never knew (is his jojo stand the actual stairway to heaven or something) ? Does that mean anyone can seal Azazel on Earth even when they're not blood related ? Because that's what Kurt had to do and it was his most selfless sacrifice. Are you saying he didn't need to sacrifice his Afterlife this whole time and anyone else could have just done it because being biologically related to the guy wasn't both his strength and weakness ?
There was really two ways to stop Azazel when he was still going around and having kids (even tho he was stuck in a loop of doing it until he got exactly what he wanted, that being Kurt): Kill all of his kids/stop him from having them or just kill/stop Nightcrawler from existing (cuz he really needed someone related to him with his exact abilities).
There was even one way for things to have never gotten as far as they did and it was literally stopping Margali Szardos from getting into contact with Azazel and getting him to Earth in the first place because Azazel was in his dimension for thousands and thousands of years without once managing to get out until then
... Coincidentally Destiny talked to Margali at some point. (+ 1 plothole)
The writer only refers to Azazel as a monster/fiend (which he is morally) but he pretty much means it as like the magical kind... When Azazel is a mutant and has been on Krakoa for three whole years with other mutants now. He even went through the gates that only let mutants pass. He didn't even cause trouble on the island during that time. Mystique knows he's on the island, Destiny surely knows he's on the island. So why did they let him there if he's not one of them and "Irene had seen that he'd become the worst of [the vaudeville monsters]" ? It's counterproductive don't you think ?
Lastly, I really like how Mystique is saying all of this when she managed to hire Azazel to work for her the last time they met. And he did everything she told him no problem back then too. The contrast is so jarring like the only way to stop this massive warlord and universe conquerer guy is to either have him "think he's a dad" so he plays favourites or give him an actual job
(Another thing I can't unsee because of many friends but Azazel is dressed like mad max fury road character or like he's part of the beast pirates from one piece)
I love the way you wrote this anon. Don't you know Azazel is apparently this all powerful giant being but also is able to be thwarted by his son who is just a weaker version of himself? Oh wait scratch that its only his son by a smaller percentage but still the point stands Azazel is the most powerful mutant except for when he isn't when the story calls for it. Technically all beings are made by God but I get what you mean, he's apparently able to defeat immortal beings created by God like its nothing. I honestly don't understand this writer, its not like he seems to think things through in terms of biology or story but then i guess I don't really understand the majority of X-men fans because they seem to think this is peak story telling even though now the narrative is far more confused and they've upgraded Azazel powerwise and had to ignore recent stories involving him.
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DOCTOR DOOM and MAGNETO from Marvel both eat drywall!
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https://thedirect.com/article/loki-marvel-giancarlo-esposito
As the MCU continues to expand further into the Multiverse Saga, Marvel Studios remains as busy as ever in terms of matching A-list talent with the right on-screen Marvel characters. And with regard to new talent making its way into the franchise, The Mandalorian’s Giancarlo Esposito is seemingly at or near the top of that wishlist.
Esposito has seen the MCU as one of his potential destinations for more than two years after jumping back into the spotlight with his role as Moff Gideon in the Star Wars universe. It’s a franchise he’s openly interested in joining, and he seems to be a great fit for a number of big roles that the MCU has in store for the future.
During a live appearance in San Antonio, Esposito confirmed that he'd officially met with the Marvel team, teasing the idea of playing either Professor X or Magneto for Marvel Studios' take on the X-Men. But even more recently, he shared that his first meeting with Marvel actually came a long time ago for a potentially much smaller role.
Marvel Almost Had Giancarlo Esposito Already
As reported by ComicBook's Liam Crowley from Boston Fan Expo 2022, The Mandalorian actor Giancarlo Esposito revealed that he spoke with Marvel Studios about potentially taking a role in the Loki Disney+ series.
The Star Wars fan-favorite confirmed that he first met with Marvel right after the Infinity Saga ended for "a television role" that's come to fruition since that time:
"Giancarlo Esposito addresses the Marvel rumors. He confirms he met w/ Marvel Studios a couple years ago for a television role which they have since done. 'I think it was Loki.'"
Crowley also reported that Esposito mentioned passing on this role with the intention of holding out for a bigger role in an MCU movie, comparing it to a similar situation with Benedict Cumberbatch. The British star initially rejected an offer to play Malekith in Thor: The Dark World, and he'd go on to become the MCU's Doctor Strange:
"Giancarlo alluded to passing on this mystery TV role because he wanted to hold out for a film character. Reminds me of Benedict Cumberbatch, who turned down Malekith from Thor: The Dark World in hopes of getting something better, which ended up being Doctor Strange."
Esposito Passed on Loki for Something Bigger?
Looking at these quotes, the first question that comes to mind is - who would Giancarlo Esposito have played if he'd signed on for a role in Loki?
The most natural fit would seemingly have been Classic Loki from Episodes 4 and 5, who wound up being played by Richard E. Grant in the character's limited screen time. The only other potential option might have been He Who Remains, but that role is now confirmed to go to the big screen with Jonathan Majors, so perhaps Marvel was already set on that casting at the time.
Regardless of who Esposito would have played, his relationship with Marvel Studios is clearly well established as the team works to find the best role for him to play.
With the X-Men likely making their way into the mix over the coming years, both Magneto and Professor X could fit Esposito well, with the Moff Gideon star bringing a presence and gravitas that would fit with either side of the fight. There's also the ever-looming Doctor Doom, who could even debut as early as this year in Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, and Marvel would certainly want to keep that casting a secret if it's already happened.
No matter who Esposito plays, it's clear that his talks for Loki were only the first step for a potentially long run in the MCU.
Season 1 of Loki is currently streaming on Disney+, and Season 2 is currently filming in London. Giancarlo Esposito can also be seen in both seasons of The Mandalorian on Disney+.
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I think by default it might be Betty and Veronica (which I'm not knocking), but was having a debate about iconic long running love triangles in comic books and it's hard to come up with examples?
So they’re the most prominent love triangle in comics, in large part because Archie and its spin-offs are arguably the longest running romance comics in the medium.
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If we confine ourselves to superhero comics - I know that there are other love triangles in indie comics like Love & Rockets or Scott Pilgrim, but I’m going with the genre I know the most examples from - there are a plethora of love triangles, because they’re a reliable engine for drama and nicely balance romance with the required amount of action due to all the fights they start.
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So let’s start with Marvel. Fantastic Four was absolutely chocka with love triangles despite having only one woman on the team. As the team’s professional teen heartthrob, Johnny was the frequent instigator of these, due to his unerring talent for falling into love and bed with the most drama-loving women imaginable. He brought Crystal into the FF’s orbit, and since she basically cannot live without drama, she got into love triangles with Johnny and Quicksilver, Quicksilver and their realtor, and even made a move on Mr. Fantastic (a man I would argue with negative sexual chemistry) right after Sue gave birth! For her own part, Sue has gotten into quite a few love triangles of her own - both with Romance Novel Bad Boy Namor and T’challa and even sometimes with Doctor Doom, because she’s apparently catnip to Marvel royalty.
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Over in X-Men, there are three main canon love triangles that were particularly prominent and long-running: the Scott/Jean/Logan mess that eventually culminated in a throuple because everyone got tired of the ship wars, the Jean/Scott/Emma triangle that provided much of the driving force behind Grant Morrison’s New X-Men and eventually spun off to the Scott/Namor/Emma love triangle, because Imperius Rex has a type and it’s attached blondes with mental powers), and the Rogue/Gambit/Magneto dilemma (itself growing out of the Gambit/Rogue/Belladonna love triangle) that was the major romantic plot of the 90s and early 2000s. Secondary or shorter love triangles included Scott/Alex/Maddie during the Claremont run, Polaris/Alex/Nurse Annie in the Chuck Austen run, Polaris/Alex/Bobby back in the Silver Age before Bobby came out of the closet, Kurt/Meggan/Brian from Excalibur, etc. Somewhat subtextual trios that became popular among queer fans include Pyro/Bobby/Northstar, Storm/Yukio/Callisto (because Ororo has a type and that type is knives), and Rachel/Ilyana/Kitty (which intersected with the Dani/Xi’an/Rahne triangle, because Kate Pryde is a menace to sapphics, although the former did resolve when Rachel started a serious relationship with Betsy).
I’m not as much a DC guy, but even I know that Dick Grayson has nothing but love triangles.
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Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Namor. The most perfect anti-hero ever written. Namor is such an arrogant entitled bastard that when the heroes made a secret council and the villains made a secret council, Namor sat on BOTH because that's how desperately he needed everyone in the Marvel Universe to know his opinions. Namor is the closest thing to a friend Doctor Doom has; Namor fought with Captain America in WW2; he has been stealing men's wives since the 1930s; he is a mutant and therefore has allied with both the X-Men and The Brotherhood, but resents Charles' manipulations and Magneto/Erik's arrogance, so he'd rather support both from a distance than choose a side -- however he refused to join the third mutant organization The Hellfire Club and told Sebastian Shaw he'd kill him on sight; Namor will steal Susan and Johnny Storm the moment the Fantastic Four's Reed Richards' back is turned and it took a few decades of real life time for Doctor Doom to realize it's because he likes them, not hates them; Namor is the only hero who didn't betray and banish The Hulk from Earth; he considers stealing your wife a compliment--you have good taste; Namor uses "diplomatic immunity" to get away with a LOT of assholery; Namor is usually considered the first modern mutant, "the children of the atom", a gene from his human father.
He really wishes he could get along with Magneto... But Erik just KEEPS betraying him. So when he says he supports both, he really means 70% X-Men/30% Brotherhood. But he'll keep trying. A WW2 veteran isn't going to pretend he doesn't understand why a Holocaust experiment survivor has paranoia, anger, and attachment disorders. He just wishes Erik was kinder to his daughter, the Scarlet Witch.
And like many mutants, Namor feels kinda ugly and self-conscious. Don't make fun of his skin color. He hates racism and colorism. And anti-Semitism. And sexism. Namor will always side with the one woman in the room... (It's part of the reason why he's gonna steal your wife.)
Absolutely none of this is going to be in Wakanda Forever except, obviously, his self-esteem issue because of his skin color, but MCU Namor flirts with any one of these fine-ass Black women and - please, oh gawd, please - is recognized as an activated mutant... I know we gon be alright.
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