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anti-endo-safe-space · 20 hours

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me when a pro-endo post shows up on my dash

AGREED

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syscourser-against-misinfo · 3 months

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Here is the first article I'm posting. The first sentence itself states "DID is a chronic post-traumatic disorder where developmentally stressful events in childhood, including abuse, emotional neglect, disturbed attachment, and boundary violations are central and typical etiological factors." This quote itself already states trauma as a necessary factor for the development of DID.

Further down in the article, it says "Given the current evidence, DID as a diagnostic entity cannot be explained as a phenomenon created by iatrogenic influences, suggestibility, malingering, or social role-taking. On the contrary, DID is an empirically robust chronic psychiatric disorder based on neurobiological, cognitive, and interpersonal non-integration as a response to unbearable stress." This, in basic English, means that, although DID has not been extensively researched, evidence points to the fact that trauma is necessary to developing the disorder.

Moving on from that, it is stated in the article that "Studies conducted in various countries led to a consensus about prevalences of DID: 5% among psychiatric inpatients, 2–3% among outpatients, and 1% in the general population." I have heard a lot of people on systok say that system spaces must be filled with people with real DID because 1% of the population is a lot of people. I am not saying that 1% is not a lot of people, but we must consider the demographics of the people in system spaces and systok. The large majority of those people are teenagers, AFAB, and, of course, on Tiktok. This does not mean that I'm blaming AFAB people, or stereotyping anyone, I am simply stating facts. The massive concentration of "DID cases" in that specific demographic does not make any sense from a psychiatric point of view. There was no "big bang" of abuse cases, only the major romanticization of DID in media during the pandemic.

I'd like to point out this specific part of the article, "Yet, when all these systems come together to underpin and maintain a person’s identity, and dissociation occurs at this (identity/personality) level, it creates dissociative identities. Here, separate organized systems of functioning, with their own unique perspective on the world and who they are, appear to co-exist within the individual. Each of these identities has their own first-person perspective or experience of self-consciousness. Consequently, each of these identities reports their own subjective experiences and memories, their own sense of agency and will, and their own perspective on who they are. They often report being unaware of other identities or report amnesia for experiences that presumably occurred when other identities were engaging in executive actions." This mentions the commonly held belief of "alters are their own separate people." Yes, they have their own wants, needs, etc. but no they are not separate people. Not only is that just false, due to the basic facts regarding DID (the theory of structural dissociation, which I will cover in a different post), it is also very harmful to recovery. Believing alters are their own people instead of parts of one person reinforces the extremely harmful dissociative barriers between parts. This is reinforced in the article, "While the dynamics are similar, DID has discrete identities with their own first-person perspective (multiple “I” selves) and breaks in consciousness between these identities, which do not occur in PTSD."

The article also touches on people's false belief of having DID, as mentioned here: "The so-called sociocognitive model of DID (e.g., Lynn et al) went beyond recognizing the influence of sociocognitive factors on the development and phenomenology of DID. This model suggested that media reports, a high level of social knowledge about DID, influential and suggestive therapists, as well as patients’ own suggestibility, cognitive distortions and fantasy proneness all led patients to believe (wrongly) that they had dissociative identities. This view of DID markedly contrasts with the post-traumatic model of DID (outlined earlier), which proposes that dissociative identities are the primary results of early trauma and the relational, cognitive, emotional, and neurobiological consequences of it (along with other related factors as outlined in this paper) rather than primarily the result of social and cognitive forces. Moreover, the presence of sociocognitive forces does not provide any proof for iatrogenesis." This basically states that the romanticization of DID in media, and the widespread misinformation, as well as misinformed clinicians and therapists can cause people to mistakenly believe they have DID.

The rest of the article is actually very interesting, and I do recommend reading the article as a whole (warning: it is a long article, and very sciency).

#syscourse #syscussion #did system #osdd system #traumagenic system #system stuff #plural system #did osdd #misinformation

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circular-bircular · 6 months

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Time for a syscourse syscussion-

What benefits has your system had for you? This includes all aspects of systemhood, so not limited to simply the concept of plurality. I particularly want to hear from traumatized systems, but nontraumatized systems can also speak up.

I think there should be more discussion of the positives regarding systems, alongside all the negatives. Often, I felt in pro-endo spaces, that I could only be positive about the plural aspect of my systemhood, as if the traumatic aspects of my life were solely negative. I’ve also felt frequently like this in anti-endo spaces, like enjoying my systemhood was “enjoying” my abuse. Yikes!

I’m curious the responses.

#syscourse #syscussion #syscourse discussion #sysconversation #syscourse conversation

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system-of-a-feather · 4 months

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Curious to the other systems out there, how do you interpret and understand impactful internal interactions with parts as? What regard do you tend to hold them in and what sort of verbage do you use? Do you refer to the memories of those internal interactions as memories akin to that of those you have in the real world with other people? Do you consider them closer to psuedo-memories due to the inherent non-physical manner of them? Do you treat those events and memories as if they were your real experiences? Do you feel as if they are part of your individual "lore" / history? Do you interpret them as one would a dream or a metaphorical poem?

I largely do ask because this is a conversation I have with some of the parts a lot, particularly in regard to me as myself and its one of those things I never really have the words or clear enough of an internal answer as to how I / we approach it

It isn't too common that parts in our system have many internal interactions that hold too heavy significance / input that this question is raised because most instances are intertwined with irl events more and are more so acute and situational rather than long term and chronic.

#alter: ray #actuallydid #dissociative identity disorder #syscussion #conversysion #system conversation

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acorpsecalledcorva · 3 months

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Sometimes I see statements on here that seem ignorant and problematic and they send me down a rabbit hole of research that's actually REALLY interesting and I learn a lot of really great relevant stuff but I can't write about it because the amount of groundwork i have to lay down just isn't conducive to a Tumblr post and the whole reason people are saying ignorant problematic shit is because they can't be assed to read so it wouldn't achieve anything.

Anyway, if anyone has any questions about possession and mediums in other cultures and how they might or might not relate to plurality uhhh ask box is open I guess lmao

#syscourse #sysconversation #syscussion

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autumn-rain-co · 7 months

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Though of something and was wondering people's thoughts.

So, "endogenic plurals can have OSDDID" but it's more like they view their OSDDID and plurality as different.

"endogenic plurals can have OSDDID" but they consider themself traumaendo / mixed origin.

And some other combinations that I can't quite think of right now. I personally think these make sense and are valid experiences but I wanna see people's opinions.

#syscourse #syscussion

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faesystem · 8 months

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Quite a long post as this is a mixture of my and Fearne's thoughts. Fae wrote the part under the -, but asked for me to reword what fae meant to be clearer.

When it comes to the discussion of CDDs and certain alters being disabled in ways the rest of the system is not, people often times do not acknowledge that it is the CDD itself that is playing a major role in that disability.

Fearne struggles with the ability to communicate. The rest of the system is able to far easier and clearer than fae is able to. While it is likely being autistic plays a part in this, it is the dissociative barriers that are what inhibits faer from accessing the skills the rest of the system have.

Fae believes that it is important to acknowledge the fact that it is the CDD itself that is disabling. For example, in the instance of alters who cannot speak in a verbal system, it is not being nonverbal that is the culprit behind that disabling symptom, it is having a CDD. Fae believes it is important to recognise that, both to ensure that those who are actually nonverbal are not spoken over, but also because it is a disabling symptom of a disorder that should be acknowledged and spoken about.

As an alter in a system who is disabled in ways others are not, fae wishes to open up the conversation about how that is a real thing that pwCDDs experience. Not because they have disabilities the body does not, but because they have CDDs.

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since the topic of 'nonverbal' alters in systems have come up, i wanted to talk about how i dont really see people talk about how cdds can be disabling because certain alters cant do stuff the others can.

im one of our hosts now. and i struggle to communicate a lot. and this is partially because of our autism symptoms pretend as me as an alter, but its the DID that makes me unable to access the skills the rest of us have. like. the others know what they feel better than i do, and can describe it. i dont know if im sad or angry about a certain person in our life, i just know i want to hit them with a car. and i cant explain why. because i also dont want to. but the fact that i dont want to makes me want to hit them with a car even more. which. is confusing.

and i struggle to put words together. typing these things is taking so long, so much longer than when someone else in our system does it. every single word is an effort, and putting it together is hard. but im not able to be coherent at all really went verbally trying to say it, so. i dont know.

i just think that we should talk about it more.

#Mod Tim (He/Him)#mod fearne (fae/she)#We are quite dissociative presently. This means both of our communication skills may be a bit lack luster compared to normal.#syscourse #Syscourse Subsection #Syscussion #<- The new tag we are using for system-related discussions that are not inherently 'discoursey'.

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amnesia-faucet · 1 year

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maaaaaan u ever play disco elysium. great game

sadly no :[ but i do plan on getting the game on christmas or smth! i've been hearing ppl talking abt it a lot recently and it sounds pretty fun, just too poor to really afford it rn lmaoo

tbh i was gonna watch some videos on it, but idk if i'd end up spoiling myself and ruining my interest once we do get it, yknow?

#ask #not a syscussion #smth smth tags idk DSGBHSDG #every time i watch gameplay for a game ahead of time #it ruins the fun #though idk if this game can even *be* spoiled #if u know what i mean

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anti-endo-safe-space · 2 months

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It kinda rubs us the wrong way when someone says "traumagenic system". You mean, a system? plain and simple?

Because "traumagenic" implies you can be a system by other means that are not trauma, what is... obviously wrong.

What are even those "-genic" things mean. What do you mean :3genic? Willowgenic?? Sillygenic??? What do you mean programmed system????

I will never understand those terms endos use. I swear, it's all just so confusing.

— Wysteria, from Ballad Of The Royals.

Hey Wysteria, agree with everything you said EXCEPT for programmed systems. From what we understand, those tend to be a type of system where they've gone through extreme cult like abuse and it causes a split. We're not experts but it's something to look into. Those are a legit system

Also we use it here simply to make it known we're anti-endo

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anti-endo-safe-space · 8 days

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ngl the pure CONCEPT of endogenic systems is actively offensive

Agreed anon, highly highly agree

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anti-endo-safe-space · 15 days

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are we the only ones EXTREMELY confused by “Endogenic Alters”???

Like- correct us if we’re wrong, but that’s doesn’t feel very….

Basically it's supposedly just an alter that didn't form from trauma which-

A lot of us just formed from extreme stress (as we are prone to overstressing), that doesn't make them "endogenic" it just literally means they chill here knowing they didn't form from some abuse or something but from stress.

Which is completely valid!!!

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anti-endo-safe-space · 1 month

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saw Aftongenic the otherr day on pluralpedia and we laughed our ass off

its a funny time when you go on there and hit random term a bunch i think

-milo from bathypelagic orchestra

they (endos) try so hard and its funny

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anti-endo-safe-space · 1 month

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Endos saying you don’t need trauma to be a system like trans people don’t need dysphoria doesn’t work as an argument because dysphoria isn’t the cause of being trans while trauma is the cause of being a system. And as a trans person and a system it just rubs me the wrong way one is an issue (saying it like that bc it isn’t just sunshine and roses) and the other is how you feel as a person and affects your outward expression

!!!!!

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anti-endo-safe-space · 1 month

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Some endos really are just making fun of actual CDD systems (wtf do you mean cheesegenic, :3genic?? DID endo system??) but they're somehow always supported??

But if an actual traumatized system speaks up and says "hey that's not cool", they're ableist, a sysmed and traumascum...

Endos and pro-endos need to hold accountable the rotten ones in their community. I don't give a fuck anymore. When I see anti-endos being absolute shits and harassing endos and telling them to kill themselves, I don't go "oh wow, they're so valid for that <3"

!!!!!!!!

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anti-endo-safe-space · 1 month

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reminder to never look at pluralpedia for more than two seconds

WANNA KNOW WHAT ELSE IS UNDER REVIEW!!!!

anp, ep, etc. BASIC STUFF. aka the medical terms slash most associated with OSDDID.

GIRL IM GONNA LOSE MY SHIT. brooooo.

PLEASE!

Pluralpedia is one of the most toxic areas to exist.

If your going on there for some reason, PLEASE be careful and keep your mental health in mind. If anyone who's not a system see's this (we aren't using the common word, we just don't like it and it makes us think of sliced cheeses), please don't use pluralpedia as a resource. It has a lot of information that doesn't make any sense at all.

Again, MEDICAL terms are being considered an issue (which anp, ep and the like are actual medical terms in the psychology community to describe parts better) so, yeah

#anti endo #endos dni #anti endo supporter #endos aren't real #endos fuck off #actually dissociative #plural system #actually plural #actually system #did plurality #did plural #osdd plurality #osdd plural #system #sysblr #syscussion #syscource #sysconversation #syscourse

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anti-endo-safe-space · 7 days

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i hate when pro endos reblog my posts to "debunk misinformation" and REBLOG IT SAYING DID CAN DEVELOP WITHOUT TRAUMA??? LIKE NO IT CANT??? and i have endos and pro endos on my dni anyway. the fact they disrespect boundaries for their own agenda is enough to show you what their community is about.

Abuse mention ahead!!

Yeah we have that happen a lot to our posts or they'll quote us or some shit. DID requires trauma. It does not require it to be abuse, cases have been found of systems who formed from just being violently taken from parents (that's honestly part of why we split in the first place).

Endos and pro endos don't care, there's literally one who will hunt down people with dni's because they brag how stupid they are meanwhile if you call them out they sit there and try to trigger and bully soooo what do we know.

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