#sith critical

[cyborgmythweaver]

CW: abuse

To me, the Sith have always been about power, about manipulation, about abuse. They offer false hope as a lure to ensnare people when they are at their most vulnerable. They offer you what you think you need while gutting your support system, isolating you from those who could pull you back above water. Before you know it, the decisions you say you are making are no longer your own. And so, the visually brightest scene of the episode becomes its darkest moment thematically.

I am amazed that Star Wars continues to tell meaningful, complex stories about survivors, those who are able to liberate themselves from the confines of interpersonal and systemic abuse, as well as those who are unable to break free... yet. 

This is why hope is so fundamentally important, not just in Star Wars or in storytelling, but in the real lives we lead. There is always, ALWAYS hope. 

And may the Force be with you.

#star wars #star wars visions #star wars: visions #hope #sith #sith mother #screecher's reach #cartoon saloon #may the fourth be with you #may 4th #star wars day #visions 2 #meta rambling #sith critical

[short-wooloo]

Nothing exemplifies "you are not immune to propaganda" better than the sith code and the people who unironically buy into it/think it's a good concept/is just another perspective

#wooloo-writes #wooloo writes #star wars #sw #on the sith #on the sith code #sith code #sith critical #anti sith #anti sith code #sith code critical #anti sith stans #anti sith apologist #the sith are fascists #you are not immune to propaganda #you are disturbingly susceptible to propaganda

[tarisilmarwen]

Another thing I’m loving is the re-emphasis on the fact that the Dark Side, for most people, is misery and pain.

Wallowing in your own and then turning it outwards and inflicting it on others.  Because if I’m not happy you sure as hell aren’t allowed to be happy!  The need to drag down someone else in the Light, twist them, corrupt them, make them as miserable and angry as you are because at least then you’re not alone, except you ARE alone because the Dark Side poisons every positive relationship you could ever have and makes you incapable of relating to people in a normal fashion, makes you obsessed, makes you cling to, makes you attached to the idea of this person and how they can make you feel.  Makes you selfish to the point where you don’t even care and you’ve lost your empathy.

It’s a downward spiral of abuse and a cycle of revenge and loathing yourself and desperately searching for any kind of self-worth to define yourself by and scrabbling after more and more power because if you just have a little bit more, it might make things all better.

The Dark Side is empty misery and it will not satisfy.

#star wars #sith critical #meta rambling #am i talking about vader? reva? maul? trilla? ninth? #it's all of them at this point #hell even palpatine was bored as hell once he conquered the galaxy #he had all the power in the world and it still wasn't enough

[ackerslut]

not pro jedi, not pro sith, but a secret third thing

#critical of the bastardization of eastern religion by western ideals send tweet #jedi critical #sith critical #i’m so sexy for this take at 11am on a tuesday

[lily-orchard]

If you aligned the Jedi and Sith on a morality scale, what would it look like? Like the nine point scale or something?

#star wars #jedi critical #pro jedi order #sith critical #pro sith order

[perfectlysaltymilkshake]

The thing about all the anti Jedi propaganda, both in universe and out, is that it's all just projecting the Sith's motives and actions on to the Jedi.

#Pro-Jedi #Sith Critical

[an-angels-fury]

FUCK, some Palpatine stans/Sith Apologists can be just as annoying as some Jedi Apologists, if not more! (Honestly, I don't even know why I'm surprised 😒)

I think that's one of the best parts about being an Anakin Stan: you have space to critic characters from both sides and, as a bonus, gain the opportunity to annoy many fans from both groups as much as they annoy you 😁

Honestly, Anakin was never meant to be a Jedi or a Sith. He should have send them a middle finger and run away with Padme! My man deserved to be happy and live the rest of his life in peace on Naboo with his lovely wife and their worderful children!

The Jedi and the Sith? Who are they? Never heard anything about them 🤔... and, honestly, I don't give a shit. That's it.

#some minutes I was checking the 'sw prequels' and then I found two posts from a palpatine fan #the first one saying anakin never truly cared about the jedi order and padme and darth vader was his 'real and autentic self' #which part of 'the good man who was your father was destroyed' the OP didn't get it? #and the second one saying padme would be better with rush clovis #I mean... yeah I understand if you think the child murderer isn't a good match for padme #but thinking padme would be happier with the creepy guy who sexually assaulted her is rather disgusting #anyway... I rest my case 🙌 #star wars #sw prequels #anakin skywalker #sheev palpatine #sith critical #jedi critical #just two fucked up space cults

[nateofgreat]

"What's wrong with the Acolyte being Jedi critical? It's okay to criticize them since they have a monopoly on the Force don't they?"

Okay, let me break this down.

1: The Jedi do not have a monopoly on the Force.

Say, remember the Nightsisters of Dathomir? The dark side cult that the Jedi tolerate. They even go there to negotiate in the Clone Wars without making any threats to their continued existence. The only time they ever come into conflict is when they leave Dathomir to mess with someone else.

They're not the only ones either. The media doesn't focus on it much, but there are dozens of different Force-based organizations in SW (Legends and Disney canon) that the Jedi Order coexists with. There's also the simple fact that the parents of Force sensitive children can simply decline the Jedi's offer which would indicate that there are people in the Galaxy with the Force who live independently from the Jedi.

As it happens the only organization the Jedi are constantly fighting are the Sith and for darn good reasons.

2: What's wrong with being critical of the Jedi?

Let's not split hairs here. The "criticism" the Jedi get nowadays almost always seems to end with, "and that's why they deserved to be exterminated down to the children via Order 66." So, pro-Jedi fans are a bit on guard when they hear that a project is "Jedi critical."

Now, in theory, there's nothing wrong with characters in-universe having disagreements with the Jedi way or having criticisms of them. However, despite the show's claim to not be about "good vs evil" I think it's VERY likely to posit that the Jedi are wholly in the wrong and to blame for the conflict in some manner. While downplaying the actions of the villain on account of them being a victim.

Why do I think that? Because the trailer.

3: "This isn't about good or evil. It's about power and who's allowed to use it."

Right at the climax of the trailer is this line. Which spells pretty clearly that the show is saying that just, doesn't matter if the Jedi are good, because they're also powerful and influential in their own regard. So in the show's mind that means they're the problem.

They might offer a halfhearted condemnation of the serial killer murdering them for no reason but chances are they'll suggest that they're not really the problem: that the Jedi are for being powerful. I've even seen quotes floating around saying that show will ask the question "what if the Sith are really just the underdogs?" when they go around blowing up planets.

As for the question itself. It's likewise silly as the Jedi don't actually persecute other Force traditions or force everyone to join them. They don't even force you to stay once you've joined. So it doesn't seem like they're attempting to control the Force at all. Meanwhile, the Sith want to dominate the Galaxy and either exterminate or enslave any opposing traditions.

So the question itself is self-defeating.

Oh and while I'm here...

4: There is no "endless cycle"

Slightly off-topic but it comes up a lot as a defense of the anti-Jedi mindset. It goes something like, "The Jedi perpetuate an endless cycle of war because the Sith keep coming back!"

First off, it's not the Jedi's fault that some lunatics keep popping back up to try and control the Galaxy. All they do is stop them every time they do.

Secondly, the "cycle" only exists because new books keep getting written. Stories need conflict and thus the Sith are revived over and over again.

Thirdly, please someone try to tell me that this could be avoided if the Jedi let their members marry or something.

And fourthly, the cycle's honestly not that bad because the Jedi just win every time and restore peace to the Galaxy for a long period.

#anti the Acolyte #Acolyte critical #the Acolyte critical #Star Wars #The Jedi #Pro Jedi #In defense of the Jedi #the Sith #the Acolyte Trailer

[go-see-a-starwar]

Because Star Wars has had the cultural impact that it has, these characters almost become public domain, where people feel a sense of ownership over them. The character was criticised, my performance was criticised, and that part sucked. But I also felt like I had some context that perhaps helped a little bit. When Episode I came out, there was a lot of excitement that they were making a new Star Wars, and it was going to be the backstory of Darth Vader. But I had friends that were upset that the character was starting off as this young kid. And I watched the film, and I loved it. It was everything I wanted and more. And I didn’t understand the disconnect between the movie that I saw, and the negativity in some of the reviews. In a way that sort of criticism, I think, comes from a certain failure of their own suspension of disbelief. If you’re gonna go sit in a theatre, and the opening scroll starts with, “A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away”, that’s setting the stage that anything is possible. These people don’t need to sound and behave the way that we might expect. And if you’re going to sit down and think that you’re getting something that is of our current zeitgeist, then you’re setting yourself up for something else. You know what I mean?

Hayden on the backlash the prequels and his performance received, Empire Magazine

#go off king #this is the closest we’ll get to hayden telling the critics and fanboys to shove it #of course it’s still very well worded and polite #hayden christensen #sweet Canadian farm prince #anakin skywalker #empire magazine #rots #revenge of the sith #aotc #attack of the clones #Star wars #photoshoots #interviews

[cerulianvermillion]

the concept of "grey Jedi" doesn't work because the force is light and dark, not black and white. By definition, colour value might be a spectrum, but darkness is absence of light. Everyone is grey! Star wars has clearly implied that nobody is perfect and everyone comes in shades of of grey, everyone is flawed and imperfect. The jedi are all technically grey! However, they are "light" because they, as jedi, choose light, choose selflessness, choose goodness.

Textbook fandom interpretation of "grey jedi" is either A. Someone who uses both the dark and light side or B. Someone who is light and does good but doesn't follow the jedi order.

A. doesn't work, because the dark side isn't just defined by "being emotional" or "Thinking of yourself", it's literally stuff like murder and torture. You can't claim to be "good" or "light" or "better than everyone" while also condoning murder at the same time.

B. You don't have to be a jedi to use the force! You don't have to be a jedi to be in the light! Like it's not illegal, the jedi order respects non-jedi force users as long as they don't commit human rights violations! the Jedi are the majority of force users, but they're not the only ones who can use the force. The jedi themselves are aware that there are many different interpretations, and the only intervene when it. yknow. involves murder and torture and the like. calling non-jedi lightside users as "grey jedi" doesn't really make sense because they're... just technically normal jedi. And if they're not associating with the order, then they're just lightside force users that are not jedi? Why would they call themselves jedi if they themselves don't think they are jedi or associate with the jedi???

Like in Ahsoka's situation, she's not a "grey" jedi, she's a light force user that doesn't follow the jedi order. In fact, saying that she's a "grey" jedi is basically just saying that she's a regular jedi? That doesn't make her better or worse or special, disagreeing with the council doesnt make someone better or worse that the other- what does matter is her actual actions. Which, as aforementioned, is lightside. The jedi order is also light. They can coexist, yknow, one is not superior than the other, they're both light. And it's not uncommon for people to disagree with the council. That's the entire point of the jedi having a "council"- to provide different perepectives and healthy debate and come up with the best decision for everyone. You can't please everybody, that's entirely normal. There's a reason why the council discusses instead of having one person make all the choices. The jedi are people too, they're also flawed. You can be grey and choose light, that's what the jedi choose to do.

tldr everyone is already grey, but light and dark is a matter or choice.

#star wars #sw prequels #sw: the clone wars #ahsoka tano #jedi #jedi order #pro jedi #grey jedi critical #gray jedi critical #jedi council #sith #light side and dark side #grey jedi debate #the force

[girlrandomstuff]

i don't think we talk enough about bail wearing a leather jacket and globes, for real, this man is gorgeous

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[cyborgmythweaver]

same energy

#they're all emotional manipulators #star wars: visions #screecher's reach #really captures the children's book eldritch horror of coraline #sith #sith mother #daal #star wars visions #coraline #other mother #shadowweaver #adora #she ra #she ra and the princesses of power #cartoon saloon #sith critical

[short-wooloo]

If I see one more person say "actually the sith code is about freedom and liberation" I am going to lose it

No. It's fucking not

#wooloo-writes #wooloo writes #sw #star wars #sith critical #anti sith #anti sith apologists #sith are not morally grey #the sith are evil #the sith are fascists #the sith are slavers #fuck the sith #on the sith

[antianakin]

@theneutralmime

I'm gonna start with the easiest part of this and assure you grey Jedi are NOT a thing in canon (yet). Filoni seems to potentially be heading down a road where he WILL make grey Jedi canon via Ahsoka and Sabine (and maybe Shin), but at no point has the term ever actually come up in anything officially canon. Even if Filoni makes it canon, though, it will never be LUCAS canon.

Balancing the Force is about eliminating the Sith. The Force is, generally, balanced on its own, but the Sith cause an unbalance because they're exceedingly selfish and greedy and have the power to do something about it and cause it to spread. It's ABSOLUTELY not about having the same amount of Jedi and Sith or the same amount of "light" and dark. In essence, balance and "light" mean the same thing. If the Force is balanced, it just means there isn't an excess of darkness (which is generally only ever CAUSED if there's Sith around doing their thing).

Balance within yourself is usually considered to be acknowledging that darkness exists and is entirely natural (because it's caused by natural emotions like fear, pain, and anger) but then choosing NOT TO ACT ON IT. Balance is about choosing to be selfless and compassionate in SPITE of that darkness. When the Force is unbalanced, it means too many people ARE acting on that darkness which is feeding the dark side of the Force. This is usually caused by things in the galaxy being influenced by the Sith, like Palpatine corrupting the Senate through politics causing unrest among the people and then starting a galactic civil war.

While eliminating the Sith isn't going to be a magical cure all to the darkness they cause, it does provide BREATHING ROOM and the opportunity for people to work to do better and that ultimately starts bringing the Force completely back into balance. People will always have the capacity for selfishness and greed within them, but without the Sith, it's a much more manageable problem.

#star wars #the force #balance #sith #jedi #anti grey jedi #anti gray jedi #grey jedi critical #gray jedi critical

[confused-much]

Padme is the original delulu because if my husband killed kids not once but TWICE, openly admitted to serving under a Sith and Force choked me, I would not, in fact, say on my deathbed that there is still good in him.

Quite the opposite, I would probably beg Obi-Wan to hide my kids from that guy.

#star wars #revenge of the sith #padme amidala #anti anakin skywalker #anti anakin #padme critical #delulu is not always the solulu padme

[jedi-enthusiast]

I saw you had thoughts on the Codywan v Anidala lightsaber exchange and I need to hear these juicy details, please and thank you ☺️

Ask and you shall receive!

Everything I'm gonna outline in detail below can basically be summarized as this-

"Anakin and Padme--for all their talk about how much they love and trust each other--don't actually trust each other. Meanwhile Cody and Obi-Wan never really talk about trusting each other, but it's obvious that there is a natural trust between them. The lightsaber exchange represents this."

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In RotS and in the later seasons of TCW, it's pointed out or shown multiple times that Anakin and Padme do not trust each other, even on the most basic level.

In the RotS novelization, Padme is talking with some senators about possibly opposing the Chancellor--but one of them insists that they'll need to backing of the Jedi to do that. Padme then says that there is one Jedi who she trusts above all else...and then is promptly horrified when she actually thinks about it and finds that Anakin doesn't make the cut--and then has a mini-crisis about it and puts the blame on others for their shitty relationship ('Oh Ani, what are they doing to us?').

In the whole Rush Clovis arc of TCW, we see how mistrustful Anakin is of Padme--going so far as to put himself in the middle of them every chance he gets.

Now some might argue that it's Clovis that he was mistrustful of but, call me crazy, if I trusted my partner and I was in Anakin's shoes (aka having to let Padme get close to Clovis for the greater good of the galaxy, because it could help them win the war) then I wouldn't be putting myself in the middle of them all the time. I would trust my partner to remain faithful to me or, considering the situation that they were in, only be unfaithful as a last resort. I also wouldn't get mad at my partner when someone else tried to kiss her, even after she said no. Which Anakin does.

All of this adds together to show that, despite what he says, Anakin doesn't actually trust her.

Early in TCW we actually see the seeds of this as well, even though it's not framed that way.

In "Hostage Crisis" we open up the episode by watching as Anakin tries to convince Padme to take a vacation with him, despite her still having work in the Senate. He then proceeds to give her his lightsaber and repeatedly state how much he trusts her, basically going-

"See? My lightsaber is supposed to be a Jedi's life, how can I not trust you if I'm letting you hold it? See how much I trust you?"

then blah blah blah the rest of the episode happens.

It's not framed this way, but to me that actually shows a level of mistrust and insecurity in the relationship. I don't know about you, but the only time I tell someone I trust them, unprompted, is when I don't actually trust them but I'm trying to convince them that I do. Otherwise I don't need to say it, because I show it. That's what I see in Anidala.

Now, in contrast, let's look at Cody and Obi-Wan.

Multiple times in TCW and then in RotS, Cody keeps Obi-Wan's lightsaber safe when he loses it and then returns it to Obi-Wan later--and we can assume that it happens more than is shown because Cody even has a lightsaber clip on his armor which, as far as I'm aware, is never shown on any other clone in any of the shows or movies. It's specific to them.

It's never mentioned between them, though. Ever. The most they do is flirt tease a little (as shown in the RotS novelization), but Obi-Wan never tells Cody "oh wow, I let you take care of my lightsaber, look at how much I trust you" or even has that moment of thinking it to himself. It's never brought up, because it doesn't have to be.

The two just naturally trust each other, Obi-Wan naturally trusts Cody with his life--both his physical one and the life represented by his lightsaber. There's no need for convincing or to make it some big spectacle, it just is.

As @dreamerkath commented under one of my posts, "CodyWan is the balance that Anidala couldn't achieve."

Cody and Obi-Wan are everything that Anakin and Padme try to convince themselves they are...and neither of them burned down the fucking galaxy to show it.

#sorry for the long post #I just have a lot of thoughts on this #star wars #codywan #anidala #anti anidala #anidala critical #anti anakin skywalker #anakin skywalker critical #the clone wars #revenge of the sith #pro jedi #sw prequels #obi wan kenobi #commander cody #anakin skywalker #padme amidala #jedi enthusiast's fandom debates