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thesherrinfordfacility · 7 months

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so. the fall. both in general and crowley's specifically. i speculated about this quite a bit when i watched season 1 already and since, by and large, these speculations are still the basis for my thoughts now, that's also how i'll be structuring this. i'm going to go through the opinions/theories i formed based solely on the data available for season 1 first and then address new information from season 2 and how that's affected my conclusions.

a quick preface! i'm working off the assumption that go's god basically doesn't get involved in anything ever and the fall was consequently not her doing. nor do i think the metatron's heard anything more from her than anyone else has nor that he had even back then.

so the most frequent allegories of heaven i see are cult and abusive family and while i don't think that's wrong, my instinctive reaction was and still is dictatorship/surveillance state. heaven is literally the ultimate form of the divine right of kings. the metatron and the archangels cannot be removed from power because they were instated by god and their orders must be followed unfailingly because they are merely carrying out god's will. so angels starting to question god/the plan is threatening. immensely so, because the logical next leap is questioning the authority of the voice of the god and of the archangels. and sure enough that's exactly what happens! there's an uprising which turns into a war and the losing side are permanently exiled and branded as unforgivable traitors, pure evil, and any hint of something that could become dissent is cracked down on harder than ever because the archangels/the metatron can't risk anything like this emerging again. after all god isn't talking to them either and their power is very much not as divinely-ordained and unshakable as they would like.

now if there's one thing that season 2 did that was confirm my impression of heaven the dictatorship. the way gabriel is dealt with is deeply unsettling and looking at how isolated muriel is kept i'd wager there are no risks being taken that any angels could start sharing ideas again. before i thought there was an off-chance that the archangels assumed the fall was god's plan and that's why they did it but now i'm convinced it was purely political. (obviously they'd still think god intended it but i'm certain that was not the motive, that the motive was solely about staying in power. unsure what the metatron's view on god is. thoughts?) what's new from season 2 is the power dynamics at the top of the hierarchy. instead of the metatron and the archangels being a unified force on approximately equal footing, the metatron's more nefarious and more powerful than i assumed and is clearly the sole person at the very top, pulling all the strings and asserting himself as lone unassailable ruler and the archangels are infighting. gabriel's abusing his power michael's trying to usurp him and uriel's barely tolerating either of them. but while that makes for some interesting dynamics to play with i don't see how that changes anything about the fall.

wow 🦭 anon!!! firstly, please accept my humble apologies for the late-late answer to this!!! i got into a hyperfocus with an amv and then needed to make soooo many notes on what you've said so that i had a coherent response!!! 💃<- apology dance✨

anyway!!! by god im so excited to answer this; plot speculation is my favourite kind of analysis!!!

further asks and response under the cut!!!

okay so im basically just going to write up a train of thought without much coherency, incorporating both s1 and s2, so please do pop back if ive ignored something, or am missing something!!!

i completely agree with your assessment of god's involvement in the fall; following job, where i recently parsed out some thoughts on the conflicting interpretations of god's will where job, his family, and their suffering was concerned, im firmly of the opinion that god in GO is omniscient, but strictly amoral. whilst she might pull strings threaded through the universe (e.g. the knocking over of the candle in the bookshop fire is, to me, an example of this), she created and abides by free will. in her angels, in the fallen, and in humanity. I've gone over incarnations of this train of thought in #god is dead theory, if anyone fancies some extra reading.

but essentially, i can kinda see god's involvement in the fall being very similar to that of pontius pilate (depending on which account you read, to be fair) in the crucifixion of jesus, and leaving the fate of the angels that were 'rebelling' up to the 'people' - i'll come back to this. but i feel this could be a very fitting allegory insomuch of jesus being the scapegoat for humanity's sins, and dying for them to be absolved. the reconceptualisation of this in the context of the fallen is chilling, but apt (especially if anyone subscribes to some variant of the scapegoat theory - that being crowley, aziraphale, lucifer, or any combination of them. more in. #omelas/scapegoat theory tag).

bottom line for me on speculating about the fall, for me at the moment, is that god created angels. she created them to have free will, and free thought. this birthed angels starting to speak up about things they think could be different. some just wanted to make the stars live longer, some perhaps thought humanity were given too much importance, or god had too much power, altogether. i don't think god necessarily had an issue with any of this, because this was all according to how she wanted her creations to exist. but if she were to interfere in anything as an omniscient being, it would corrupt that very tenet - would influence free will, and render it obsolete.

so if god were to excuse herself, with very little - if anything - to say, it would stand to reason that her voice, the metatron, would take the metaphorical stage. now, i can see metatron's rationale going in two different directions (so far, and might be both or neither):

machiavellian (or dark triad) approach, in that he covets god's power and voice absolute for himself, to rule over heaven and its angels and wilfully disguise his own wants and desires as the word of god. and rebellious angels would threaten to upend his own authority in this regard

some kind of take on the divine command theory; specifically in ethics that morality is dictated by the command of god... ie. that something is good specifically because god commands it. DCT and voluntarism in general can be considered very flawed, (or so any ethics theory rooting in religion), for obvious reasons, but i could see this being what metatron genuinely believes. the absence of god renders him only with the great plan, and if the fall - because it's borne of free will - goes outside the scope of the plan, what other choice does he have but to eradicate evil from eden?

i find the second the most compelling of the two, but they're not mutually exclusive - metatron can still emulate machiavellian psychology and still think he's genuinely following the command of god, in good (?) conscience, in order to preserve a perfect heaven, without perhaps realising that his own free will could inform him otherwise. it would also, imo, bring back the conflict between the great and ineffable plans nicely - what is laid out by god, and what is entirely unknowable because it's literally dictated by every individual set apart from god?

moving onto heaven specifically... ive collected a lot of thoughts over the last 48h or so. first, mainly, that i agree with you in how to view heaven analogically; maybe it's because my experience in life has been very different to lots of others in the fandom, but my take on heaven is principally that of a police state, and what we're looking at is the institution itself. imo, there's a lot of shared characteristics between heaven and most kind of policing agencies, right down to the things that inherently open them up to corruption and resistance.

i hadn't thought to look at heaven in the view of divine right of kings, but this is very interesting. in at least one sense, yep - could view the metatron as being the defacto heavenly sovereign, and decreeing with power absolute. and given the reference to 1650 in s2 (and im personally hoping this might be a flashback in s3), this could potentially be a very powerful mirror (ie. charles I and cromwell during the english civil wars). for some reason however, this dynamic doesn't ring completely true for me - not quite sure why yet, but i'll probably come back to it.

the manner in which gabriel, and potentially muriel, have been dealt with in heaven is also unsettling. but i think personally for me, regardless of the political structure of heaven, what unnerves me is that it is potentially a facsimile of falling, but not in the way the narrative has so far posed it. hell are short-staffed - irrespective of why, we know this is an issue. but heaven seems to have a consistency in their numbers, inferred by the same problem never being mentioned in relation to angels. and then consider that gabriel at the very least is a powerful archangel; whyever would heaven allow gabriel to fall into hell, and work for them? no, it is safer to wipe his memory, and reduce him to what we can surmise is a very, very low rank of angel occupation/choir. is this the new falling? is this what happened to the fallen? i think there's something there.

now the thing is, thinking more on the fall has made me confront something. as much as their actions as thus shown to the audience so far are deplorable, the archangels are eminently empathetic in the context of the fall, and how they act afterwards. if we look at them considering that, what we consider to be, free will is in fact radical thought, is dangerous, and that acting on that will bring heaven down... well, it's actually somewhat understandable how they regard aziraphale.

let's take gabriel and how he speaks to crowley-as-aziraphale in s1: this is, to gabriel, an angel that has upset the great plan. literally stopped it in its tracks. is, to his mind, working directly against the word and will of god. a radical, gone native, and turned to rebellion. wouldn't gabriel be frightened out of his little head? of course he would! presumably he had to go through the fall too, watch as (we could hypothesise) his brothers (gn) fell to hell, and have to turn against them as traitors and dissidents. so, to watch as aziraphale presumably treads the same path must be terrifying, because of what it could precipitate. beelzebub in s1 even said it at aziraphale-as-crowley's execution, "it'll cause a riot!". and that's in hell - now imagine heaven.

we know that archangels are capable of change. we saw in job them have - if not a camaraderie - a cordial (albeit still quite condescending) relationship with aziraphale. this appears to deteriorate the longer that aziraphale is on earth, and his path diverges away from theirs. but we also see gabriel, fully as gabriel, fall in love with beelzebub. they are capable of it - and capable of free will.

all of this to say that i don't think it's conclusive at this time to implicate the archangels in what, as the hypothesis above indicates, is entirely metatron's doing. bear in mind that despite the recent trial, uriel and michael don't even recognise metatron. this could be memory wipe, or could be that despite how it's physically shown to us metatron in heaven as a floating head and metatron in human form are not recognisable... that being said, a) aziraphale doesn't recognise him either, despite seeing his head in s1, and b) metatron says, "you don't know me?!", which could either be a test, or as genuine incredulity that they don't remember the mf metatron. the whole thing, as LWA has pointed out on a couple of occasions now, reeks of the nuremberg defense ('just following orders'), and whilst it's unjustifiable, it's certainly understandable.

in any case, i think it has the potential to inform very heavily on the current inter-archangel dynamic in heaven - who trusts whom? who next will challenge god? who is hungry for power, and to bring down heaven? when you specifically consider uriel's disdain of michael assuming the post of supreme archangel, it could be jealousy or just out of pettiness, but michael doing so must suggest a degree of instability and concern too. it might not necessarily change anything about the fall retrospectively, but it does inform on how they punish angels, that step out of line, in a post-fall era.

re: the specifics of crowley's fall (and me bearing in mind the length of this answer!), i agree on pretty much every point you raised, each conclusion - ive covered similar thoughts in various tags: #AWCW spec, #the fall/the great war spec, and #scapegoat/omelas theory. one thing on whether AWCW fought in the great war; i agree, i don't think he fought. but i definitely think he was present. being fanciful, i think he might have hid, or someone 👀 attempted to help him hide, and get him out of heaven without bloodshed, or without violence ("sauntered vaguely downwards"). i don't think it succeeded, and i think potentially both were brought as traitors before heaven... and here is where i cycle back to the scapegoat/omelas theory.

and in any case - im not convinced that either of them, or indeed anyone(?) fully remembers the fall. it would make sense, from metatron's perspective, to wipe all seeds of rebellious thought (without accounting for the fact that they're born of free will, which cannot be erased) from all involved parties in heaven with a targeted memory wipe. as for the fallen - i think that's literally part of their having fallen; they can't remember specifics about their time as angels, or at least the specifics of why they fell. this would potentially be explanatory for crowley's tendency as an unreliable narrator as concerns his fall in particular. the one thing i do trust in particular as to his potential part in the fall is AWCW's line: "if i were in charge..." - take into account what ive said above, plus this kind of thinking being a very innocent but parallel to what we can assume lucifer's personal beef was, i think the origins of crowley's fall - and what his questions threatened - is relatively clear.

i know you've brought up other things too, 🦭 anon, but i wonder if this is something we can explore in further depth in another post? i feel this essay is enough to be getting on with for now, and would love to know your thoughts!!! again, really sorry for the delay, but hope this makes up for it!!!✨💕

note to self - topics left to look at! AWCW rank, and gabriel's first order archangel line, and his line as jim re: "all the morning stars..."

update: fuck it 🦭 anon, i was turning these topics over in my brain like a rotisserie chicken for most of the evening, so let's dig in anyway!!!✨

okay look, i'll admit (and as is clearly evident in my old posts), i was an advocate of the crowley is lucifer theory. obviously neil debunked this, no worries, glad to have nipped that in the bud. but i am still fairly convinced that crowley is going to own a lucifer-ish narrative as concerns his fall. if we go by hell hierarchy in GO and correlate this against influential material (scripture, and yes okay Milton), we can be fairly certain that lucifer led on the fall, fell first and became satan, beelzebub was a key part (to warrant being prince of hell), and that crowley got himself caught up with them at some point before falling himself. this is a part of crowley's recount of his fall that i do believe, but i think he massively downplays his part.

i think AWCW comes across a group of angels that do not rebuke him for having questions, and even talk to him about them, encouraging him. i think he feels safe with them, and becomes pals with them, and they end up sweeping him along in more 'dangerous', 'rebellious' thought... and right up until the moment they get caught/lucifer starts speaking out, i don't think AWCW realises the shit he's gotten himself into (or maybe he does, but it's easier to sink down rather than swim up). in any case, he's surely going to be implicated in instigated rebellion among the angels, and be punished accordingly.

now im not entirely sure on the specifics of a potential scapegoat allegory would come in here, but i do think it does (and history will potentially repeat itself in s3, given the promo images). i think perhaps lucifer and the gang start to panic, panic at the concept of falling (regardless of who is dolling out the sentence, god or metatron), and they pin the blame on AWCW. he started asking questions first, he caused all of this. i think that's potentially why metatron has such beef, and specifically refers to crowley "always asking damn-fool questions", plus throws him the Dirty Look - all of this mess, and everyone believes crowley started it, even if he didn't pull the trigger. obviously lucifer and all the fallen get similarly punished, so crowley doesn't carry the full weight of the fall, but that would potentially be a big chunk of his character core that once realised could make a lot of things about him suddenly make sense.

(as an aside, i do perhaps think that aziraphale is also implicated in here somewhere - ive explored it in the #scapegoat theory tag more - but do also equally wonder if crowley is posed as the scapegoat for the fall, and aziraphale will be posed as the scapegoat for the last judgement? interesting mirroring to hypothesise).

in terms of crowley's rank... sigh. i get the narrative and character potential of it, but... i don't think he was a Very Important Angel, however that might look. at the very least, i hope not. i got a few reasons for this, first of them being that i think it could be quite cliché, to the point of being a bit reductive. he is very obviously, in a rather on-the-nose fashion, painted as being an archangel in s2; for this reason alone, i get the feeling that this will in fact not be the case. (and im not an expert on pratchett, far from it, but my understanding is that a lot of his themes work with the concept of being "ordinary" which... this theory would arguably shoot out of the park).

we know that crowley is at least in the throne or dominion choir. the way that muriel says these ranks 'or above' suggests that they are on the same rank, not throne-above-dominion as strict christian angelology suggests. neil and terry turned this structure on its head anyway with the specific archangel structure, but i think it's far that the basic blueprint of GO!angelology follows the same outline. which suggests that crowley can only have been these ranks, or a cherub, seraph, or archangel.

i dont think he was a high archangel on the same plane as michael and uriel, let alone gabriel. i did suggest (in #AWCW spec, i think) that he might have been a lesser archangel like sandalphon or saraqael, and this still rings true for me if you cross-reference heaven hierarchy against hell hierarchy (there's obviously a lot to contradict this copy-and-paste, but im just talking in the vague sense). the other thought i have, is that i don't necessarily think that crowley's power is borne out of having been an archangel; i think it's literally borne out of having an imagination, as was intimated in s1, and i don't necessarily trust his "how did you know i didn't do it?" line to shax; we know that shax is not the sharpest of demons in this respect. as for the miracle he and aziraphale performed - i don't think the reason why it was so powerful has anything to do with either of them, and all to do with jim (#25 lazarii theory).

moving onto "first order archangel", im still not quite sure what to make of it, but... i dont think it was intimating anything beyond reasserting gabriel's rank as the top archangel. the supreme archangel position seems to be just that - a position, a role - but one that elevates already existing power (and i think that's what's indicated by the purple eyes, personally - having, to a degree, some of the power of literal god), and thus raising you to the tier (?) of first order. fundamentally, without the SA position and therefore without the FO rank, i dont think gabriel is actually any different to michael or uriel; they're all archangels, and it's just a question of promotion. in which case, i personally think gabriel was just being sarcastic and childish, and simply reinstating "hey, im the top dog here, im the only one at my level, so what i say goes'. it feels like a very gabriel thing to do and say, imo.

i'll be honest; im coming up empty on the elevator scene, but if we're talking about missing furniture - the scene before is crowley walking out of muriel's 'office' with muriel and saraqael, and then bang we're in the elevator with them all as well as michael and uriel. there's a whole, obviously interesting, conversation missing there, and i dont think that's inconsequential... potentially.

okay last bit and then i'll definitely be done!!!✨ "morning stars" - so i obviously can't say all of the above and then based on this be like 'okay yeah there were multiple lucifer-type characters' because, honestly, i think that might be a bit far-fetched. there are a lot of astronomical, mythological, and biblic references to 'morning star', and 'light/dawn-bringer' but none that, at the moment, seem to fit for me. so instead, i return to jim.

as i say in my #25 lazarii theory posts, i think when we look at jim, we're somehow looking at the shell of gabriel, but also a fragment of god. not sure how she got in there, but to me the whole fly/huge miracle/jim makes that ring true for me. so, when referencing the morning stars, i think god (who let's face it, appears to be talking at that point in ep2) is literally talking about the beginning, where on the first day, god created 'day', and specifically 'morning' and 'evening', and in wider context the heavens and the earth (genesis 1:5, KJV) - so morning stars... might just be morning stars?✨

#not proof read - pretend you do not Perceive The Errors #good omens #ask #heaven theory #metatron spec #AWCW spec #pre-fall aziraphale spec #memory wipe theory #s2 meta #s3 narrative spec #scapegoat theory #the fall/the great war spec #god is dead theory #fuck it All The Tags

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paper-starz · 9 months

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WELCOME HOME THEORY 2: The Theory Strikes Back

Good evening, gentlemen, gentleladies, and gentlethems,

Or Good night

Or even good morning,

Whenever you are, I humbly come to you all with another theory.

This time, its our favorite morally questionable sentient house, Home!

So strap in, buckle up, cause I have STUFF TO SAY.

THIS WILL BE VERY LONG AND IT WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THE UPDATE!!

Alright, so to begin, what the HECK is going on with Home?

They are one of the most mysterious characters in Welcome Home, we don't know much if not anything at all. And what we do know... wellllll......

Yeah definitely not menacing at all.....

The only thing that we do know of Home is well… ^ This and the fact that it and Wally are sentient.

Ok, let’s backtrack. HOMES SENTIENT???

Yep! While it was implied in the first update that it was aware of us, this handy-dandy audio clip confirms that Home (like Wally) is aware of “You” (Whoever this “You” person may be. Either literally us or the Question Answerer).

Now, what exactly Home is saying is still up for debate. Some say that it’s “Help Me” while others say it’s “Hello”. (It’s incredibly hard to know what’s exactly dots and dashes with Homes banging) but one thing is for sure, Home is communicating with us.

“AHHHH HOW SCARY! THE CREEPY DEMON HOUSE IS GONNA KILL US” D:

And that’s where you’re wrong, dear viewer. While Home is clearly morally dubious and incredibly suspicious, like Wally, I don’t think it’s necessarily evil.

Take for instance this link right here. It’s an honestly cute lil audio of Wally singing to Home. But while that is adorable, it’s the ending that I really wanna focus on.

Wally: …Do you like it? Home: *Creaks* (it’s Morse code again! Spells out IDO) Wally: Thats good… I think…

Ok why did I bring this old little clip up? Oh ya know… no reason… OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WALLY CAN’T UNDERSTAND HOME ANYMORE!!!

Ok, I know whatcha thinkin’ “Why not anymore?”

Take a listen at another audio clip, this time it’s a secret one!!

The clip is about Barnaby and Home having a conversation with one another! But if you listen real closely… Home is not speaking in Morse code! It’s their own lil Home language, still consisting of creaks and bangs… yet Barnaby doesn’t seem to have any trouble understanding Home.

So how come Wally can’t understand Home and yet Barnaby can?

It’s because Wally’s sentient now. He’s getting more real. More human. Cartoon logic does not apply to Wally anymore! To us, Home is speaking in gibberish! Since it’s gibberish to us, then it’s gibberish to Wally!

And Home knows that, so it does the next best thing and tries using another language to hopefully communicate better. Now that I’m listening to the first audio clip again (so-below), it makes sense why Home is “speaking” slowly. It’s not used to communicating that way. It’s hard to tell their dots from their dashes, their bangs from their creaks, and it’s pauses are sometimes too long and too short at the same time! In a weird way, Home kinda has an accent when speaking in Morse code.

It’s kinda sweet just how hard Home is trying to communicate with Wally and us. Makes ya forget that Home has a weird portal and a flesh heart inside of them.

“WAIT WHAT?!?” (<- That’s you)

Yeah, remember when I said the more sentient something gets the more “real” they get?

Yeah, it’s also been happening with Home too. Go on any doodle audio file, and you can hear assumably Home’s heart beating away. You can hear it very clearly in this audio right here! I doubt the Playfellow Workshop made Home with a literal BEATING heart, but hey, Home is where the heart is I guess…

And now, the portal thing.

“Since when did Welcome Home ever had a portal??”

Oh since the very beginning actually!

First updated “portal” picture

Many people (including yours truly) theorized that this swirly spiral was a portal to the real world. It seems that we have more evidence to support this theory too!

First updated portal (shown left) and second updated portal (shown right)

Hey…. Wait a second…. Is it just me or it the portal getting…. Bigger?

The first update it was small, even the black goo wasn’t as bad… on the second picture, the spiral is INCREDIBLY large, and now the goo is coating the trees.

Well, isn’t that ominous.

"But wait. If Home has a portal... where is this portal even going?"

Both portals have the same black goo surrounding it, the same white eye in the center and the same swirl.

It's going to the Restoration team. And look at where the portal is placed. It's on the ceiling. "As above"

and the one in Welcome Home is "So below"

So perhaps the portal in Home is on the floor... This CANNOT be a coincidence I swear!!

With weird goo covering everything. And like, thats not all!

If you compare the items that the Restoration team uploaded onto the site in the first update and on the second update, you'll notice that the items have grown significantly larger.

At first, it was just envelopes with paper crammed inside of it. As if the person was trying to cram in as much information as possible. It isn't neat.

About us page: All of the paper materials tucked away inside the envelopes we have received are usually crammed together and covered in paint and ink.

Now, in the second update, the items have grown larger.

These items are much larger than mail, and I believe it also has something to do with how much bigger the portal has gotten.

Pretty soon, we might have full-grown puppets jumping in. But now that begs the question... Why is Home doing this?

Well, I think it's because Home really wants to help Wally.

As you inspect the website, there's a bunch of evidence that Wally is growing increasingly desperate for some other kind of sentient connection. It's been growing so much that it starts to get worrying...

Let's go back to the conversation between Home and Barnaby, notice anything weird? Not really? Well, I noticed that every bug audio file was in the perspective of Wally. Here, Wally is just staring at his half-finished painting, even Barnaby comments on this and finds it odd that Wally stopped painting.

It looks to me that Wally was dissociating. There, but not really there. He's been disconnected from reality because it feels unreal to him.

And Home sees that. As soon as the conversation turns to Wally, Home goes dead silent. When Wally still does not respond, Home releases a series of quick creaks and bangs to try and get Wally's attention. It doesn't work. Once Barnaby says Wally's name, it snaps him out of his dissociative state.

And Home is worried about Wally.

It gives a whole new look to the infamous "so-below" image.

Home isn't looking at Wally, it's looking straight at us. Eyes shaking as Wally seems like he's begging. Home doesn't look malicious here, Home looks like it's begging us to do something to calm Wally down because it physically can't anymore.

Home and Wally don't have a lot, if not any facial expressions at all. And shaky eyes in cartoons are a good indicator that someone is scared.

And if Home (in this link) is saying "Help Me", then no wonder! Heck, even the freaking disk is shaking!

Home is reaching out to us for help because it can't comfort Wally anymore and I don't know about you but that is SAD.

Two puppets that recently gained sentience can't even get the comfort out of each other because they can't communicate anymore :(

So, all Home can do is wait and watch Wally.

And if help won't come to you, well, having a handy-dandy portal is very helpful!

You can go to the help instead.

#welcome home #wally darling #welcome home wally #welcome home home #welcome home barnaby #barnaby b beagle #theory #HONESTLY #THIS GIVES ME SUCH A NEW PERSPECTIVE ON HOME #Honestly #The fandom (including myself) kinda used Home as a scapegoat for creepy shit! "AAA! Home is evil and wrong and bad >:(#And while Home is still morally dubious #I think (like Wally) it's desperate for help

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elder-millennial-of-zion · 3 months

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If Israel is destroyed, a whole lot of people will be very disappointed once they realize they still have student debt and no healthcare and the looming threat of climate change.

#antisemitism #jumblr #israel #blood libel #antisemitic propaganda #anti zionist propaganda #antisemitic conspiracy theories #Jews are the eternal scapegoat #killing us won’t solve your problems #but an alarming number of you think it will

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beedreamscape · 7 months

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My crack theory for ATN is that John will use Kiriona to preserve the sun (and the nine houses) by transferring the 'godhood' to her, which is why he didn't resurrect her in a regular body but in an immortal one, also why he's been flaunting her as his heir tower prince yadda yadda, so he can go fuck off and become mortal again and live the rest of his days on earth, frying that bacon Tamsyn talked about.

The tension of the book will either be him failing in doing that or succeeding and now they have the job to turn Kiriona mortal again.

With this also fulfilling the generational ructions she talks about.

If anything, John is crafty, and it'd be foolish of us to think he doesn't have a plan, what that plan is gonna try to achieve is where I fall flat, but we know the first step has been completed: the Tomb is open and Alecto is free (and if we consider those dreams are his actual connection to Alecto, he might've known about Harrow's soul swap and getting her back was also part of the plan).

#listen i love john and i support his wrongs #if i was him and saw the perfect scapegoat out of the most stressful and unfulfilled immortality. i'd take it and run with it #kiriona doesn't love him. and with what we've got so far idk if he loves her. neither of them is much to blame though #they're both in some of the shittiest moments of their lives having lost people they cared more than each other #i think they both care for each other in some level but love is yet to be achieved between them #anyway #alecto the ninth #atn theories #atn speculation #tlt #the locked tomb #john gaius #kiriona gaia #also whatever wedding we get it's gonna be weird af like somebody will be at gunpoint somebody will die

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motherfuckingmaneater · 6 months

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just saw a post saying bella would cut herself and you do not get her character if you really think she would do that. you're trying to tell me the most arrogant, self-centred, haughty, confident witch in the world would make herself bleed? drip her perfect pure pristine blood willingly? fucking no. absolute sacrilege to her character. no one - i mean no one has a right to make her bleed and even when voldemort becomes her teacher and yes very likely spills her blood that's something he earns from her even if he doesn't want to think so. she wasn't coerced after all, what she did with him was of her own volition - that probably includes all the training through blood and sweat and tears it took to be his only student. she is the most despicably arrogant and prideful pure blooded witch to have lived, she'd never have her blood willingly spilt, least of all by herself.

#tw: se/lf ha/rm #stop fucking making her your scapegoat #she's not your sad little villain #shes too arrogant for that crap so fuck your bs theories #i hate fanon sometimes so much #bellatrix black #bellatrix black lestrange #maneater speaks #lord voldemort #maneater 𓆗⋆｡˚ character study.

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thesparrow1996 · 7 months

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it’s comical actually the way that damien is the only one in tbs that actually has to deal with the consequences of his actions everyone else is able to reckon with their various crimes and moral quandaries but we need this one guy to be fundamentally incapable of that he’s gotta take it all on he’s the scapegoat the only one who is held accountable who gets shoved out of the story to figure it all out himself

#damien scapegoat theory damien is the jesus of the bright sessions there we go i’m done talking about this forever #the bright sessions

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gamer-paramnesia · 9 months

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talking abt a theory i had from this post i made a while ago

elq... elq... is he really a clone? we know 100% that he isnt qq, that he’s a completely different person, but im still not entirely convinced that hes a clone, yknow?

if we go off the theory that elq is high ranking within the federation, wouldnt that mean that he had to have spent a lot of time in it, so randomly being cloned from qq when he got kidnapped doesnt seem entirely plausible

now you could say, “maybe he was made before the kidnapping, and the federation already had his dna to make a clone out of him”, but i would respond that, if he is high ranking, i dont think he’d rise through the ranks that quickly, esp since the federation is chasing perfection, so they probably wouldve spent a lot of time making him ‘perfect’ (or him making himself perfect)

so what, then? if elq isnt a clone, then what is he?

in my original post, i was a little skeptical. i still am, but ive had time to reconstruct it and think about it, and,,,

guys, i think qq is the clone.

think abt it, right? he arrived on the train with everyone else, but he immediately took on the role of the ‘leader’ (although this is on shaky grounds bc it was dubiously rp but we’ll roll with it) and guided everyone towards what they needed to do. he doesn’t seem to remember his past, and seemingly accepted the island as it was and wasn’t immediately suspicious.

maybe he was created to be promoter of the island (or something along those lines) but he became his own person and when tilin came into his life, he abandoned any semblance of being for the federation.

when they died, he felt grief like never before (because it was his first time). when he met wilbur, he felt attraction like he never had (because it was his first time). when he fell into the water, he felt fear like the icy depths surrounding him (it wasn’t his first time).

also with his quote "maybe, like sofia, i'll have to relearn the process of love too." i feel like that could be interpreted to support this theory

but hey, idk its just a theory

#qsmp theory #this became a lot longer that i originally thought it was gonna be #qsmp #qsmp quackity #qsmp elquackity #feel free to correct me on some points i havent been vodwatching this is just from the general vibes so far #i feel like this theory is a huge stretch but its fun to think about anyhow #aurajesjsdgsjdga what is qq's role!!!!!!!! the scapegoat????#n elq too!!!!!!!#qsmp wilbur #qsmp tilin #very rambly sorry yall just wanted my thoughts out there

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akiizayoi4869 · 2 years

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Why the theory that Azula brought Zuko home to use him as a scapegoat makes no sense

Because she literally had no way of knowing that Aang had the possibility of surviving her attack. For all she knew, he was dead. She didn't start to suspect that he may have survived until the scene between her and Zuko at the turtleduck pond:

Up until this point, she had no reason to believe that Aang had survived. It wasn't until Zuko quite obviously lied to her about the possibility of this(and to her this seems like a traitorous move on his part. She helped him get back home which was what he wanted, and then he unintentionally throws all of them under the bus by not telling her about the spirit water. Which ties into what happened later.) that she began to suspect it.

Now onto what happens later on in this episode. Zuko barges into her room in the middle of the night, demanding to know why Azula lied to Ozai about who actually "killed" Aang. As a response, she says this:

Now yes, at this point she was using him as a scapegoat. But that wasn't her original intention when she brought him back home. She just wanted her brother back home with her. What happened in this scene is basically the equivalent of using an uno reverse card against an opponent. Zuko stupidly lied to her about the possibility of Aang being alive, which put all of them(Zuko, Azula, Mai, and Ty Lee) in danger. So she reversed that lie back to him so this way he alone would suffer if the truth ever came out. Thus saving herself, Mai, and Ty Lee. Now, was she right in doing this? No. Is it fucked up? Yes. But that's what happens in an abusive household. You do whatever you can to save yourself, even if that means a loved one gets the brunt of the fall. Even if you don't come from an abusive household, this is what siblings do to each other when both of them are responsible for something that they know will get them in trouble with they're parents or whoever the guardian is: they push the blame onto the other one, so as to save their own skin and not get into trouble. My sister and I did this a lot growing up whenever we did something stupid that we knew would get us into trouble.

So yeah, in conclusion Azula's original intentions with bringing Zuko home was not to use him as a scapegoat. It just turned out that way later on because of what he did, or rather didn't do, first.

#atla #azula #zuko #the scapegoat theory literally makes no sense #Zuko and Azula are siblings #take out the abusive household situation and this becomes your average sibling dynamic #where you lie about something that you did and say your brother/sister did it #so that you won’t get into trouble and put on punishment #fire siblings meta #atla analysis #akiizayoi4869 meta

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obrother1976 · 6 months

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girard would kill me for this but. there has to be at least one archaic society in star wars that, although they played no direct role in the death of vader, are not immune to the scapegoat mechanism and so see his death as an end to their suffering (under the empire), leading to his deifciation in their society. and obviously then also leading to the reenactment of his death as a sacrifical rite

#booooo this does not apply to him bc he is not part of that archaic society. they would not know his ass. and while a 'scapegoat' does not #technically in girard's theory necessitate innocence of the victim. it does imply it. also the scapegoat mechanism #necessitates a previous mimetic conflic. so. fail on all counts really.#but god i want this to work so bad #there could be a society on tatooine.... killing a guy as a sacrifice every year to replicate his death... the possibilities #everyone look away im purposefully bending and breaking girard for the stupid space wars guy...#sw #if any of u are like 'i've read girard and i get what u're talking about but y r u wording it like that. thats strange' -#- its bc i read the german translation and im translating that back into english.

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lanotteviene · 3 months

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“the monster is an unstable hallucination that tends to retrospectively crystallise itself into stable forms”…the melting together of different forms à la Minotaur or chimera being the monster itself, not the mere animal parts or the fierceness, and the exact nature of their separate parts only becoming clearer (beyond the monstrosity of it all) from a slightly removed perspective

#reading “the scapegoat” btw #monsters #mythology #persecution theory

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thesherrinfordfacility · 8 months

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Absolute crack notes from the Book of Enoch (Metatron) but the 'Aziraphale was meant to fall' theory and how AWCW might tie into that invokes it for me. With all the discussions about scapegoats and how Aziraphale is responsible for introducing War to humans. Christianity normally holds that the Fall happened long before humans were created, but Enoch presents a different origin for fallen angels and the sins of man: the "fallen angel" Azazel (a name you might recognize from the two goats story in Leviticus) is said to be blamed for all evil in the world, because he teaches mankind how to make weapons and instructs them in the arts of warfare and magic. Man wasn't capable of sinning before Azazel and his cohorts taught them wickedness. As punishment for this, God sends the Archangel Raphael to bind Azazel and imprison him until the Day of Judgement, upon which he'll be cast into a "lake of fire". This definitely means nothing but also it's really funny to me.

on the contrary i think it means a heck of a lot, anon!!!✨ the scapegoat story is literally like a chicken on a spinning rotisserie in my brain 24/7, im so sure that it is going to play some kind of part in explaining aziraphale and crowley's background.

i have read leviticus 16 so many times and still no clearer on azazel, because i think (?) it has been interpreted in so many ways, but the main ones ive gleaned are either:

meaning the literal place where the scapegoat was sent to wander, which is more in-keeping with the original passage from leviticus itself, or

meaning it was for the fallen angel azazel, as seen in book of enoch?

so if we look to the second option in apochrypha, book of daniel makes reference to the watchers as a particular type of angel. enoch goes on to describe that there were good and bad watchers. azazel as a fallen angel taught warfare to the humans, and enoch includes them as one of the 20 bad watcher leaders (along with kokabiel and baraqiel, interestingly), and also according to enoch, as you say, bound azazel and cast him into the desert:

10:4: And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azâzêl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dûdâêl, and cast him therein.

5: And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may not see light.

6: And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire.

7: And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons.

8: And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azâzêl: to him ascribe all sin.

and here we cycle back round to the scapegoat again. now, whether or not this literally happens in GO is up for speculation, but i personally think it's unlikely. that being said, i think something similar could happen. let's somewhat hc this:

aziraphale tells AWCW about the plans for the stars, makes crowley start asking questions

aziraphale cautions against it, but AWCW plows on anyway the moron (affectionate) - but symbolically protects aziraphale from repercussions as shown by him shielding him from the shooting stars (thanks again to 🌙anon for this!!!)

AWCW is spurred on by lucifer et al., and is implicated in the more nefarious rhetoric being spouted by satan

aziraphale is similarly brought into this, insomuch that perhaps AWCW refuses to say who started to make him ask questions and thus protects aziraphale OR aziraphale is in fact implicated for his own part but not as harshly - instead, AWCW is punished heavily and can't quite protect aziraphale despite best efforts

(this would also echo two things - the potential "aziraphale was/is/will be raphael" theory, and the verse in enoch 10:4 that he was the one to 'cast AWCW out')

the fall, and potential memory wipe of it?

aziraphale is 'punished' for his own part by being assigned to eden, cast out somewhat from heaven, but not made to suffer the fall (harking back, for me, to aziraphale being the goat that is cast into the wilderness as described in leviticus - not AWCW who was offered up as the goat for god; both goats forming the complete sacrificial offering although only one is killed)

aziraphale inadvertently introduces the concept of war and destruction to humanity in giving away the sword, which crowley seems to applaud/be impressed by

yada yada GO narrative, right up until aziraphale returning to heaven (which then would echo the islamic call that azazel in fact repented, and was returned to heaven - 🌙anon may correct me?)

and when the day of judgement finally happens presumably in s3... aziraphale is given the ultimatum to cast crowley "into fire", in order to rid humanity of all the sin on earth (looking to enoch 10:7-8 here)?

lastly, going back to the whole aziraphale-and-crowley-were-meant-to-be-the-same-person-originally thing... what if they symbolically were in fact just that? both azazel and raphael, and neither of them also, maybe not literally the same angel split in two, but literally mirrors of each other in their narrative?

there are so many loopholes and missing detail in this, i know - and it probably doesn't make a lick of sense, to boot - but this possibility is so exciting for me!!!✨

#god i really will just theorise about anything now wont i #either that or i have a killer brain for coming up with fic prompts #good omens #ask #the fall/the great war spec #pre-fall aziraphale spec #AWCW spec #metatron spec #scapegoat theory #raphael spec

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lheautontimoroumenos · 11 months

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Lottie Matthews in YELLOWJACKETS (2021-)

#yellowjackets #yellowjacketsedit #yellowjacketscentral #yellowjacketsource #lottie matthews #charlotte matthews #laura lee yellowjackets #96yellowjackets #yjedit #tvedit #mine #(if you want me to add tw or anything pls ask)#i'm so on the “lottie is a saint not a god” train like #girl is so good for the catholics #in the interview courtney eaton gave recently she kept sayng shit like lottie wanted to take the blow for the team #she is the perfect martyr she wants to suffer because she thinks it will help others #others who blame her for everything that they did (the whole misty saying she started it) but raise her as their leader all the while #it's all very girard and his theory of the scapegoat #the scapegoat is responsible for the violence so we hate whoever it is but when we kill the scapegoat the violence stops #so the scapegoat saves us and we therefore make it holy #i haven't read that in a while though

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ghoul-haunted · 9 months

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reading this text discussing reception of a revolutionary conspiracy and going 'oh this is so cassius,' or 'omg crassus-scapegoat-theory' every other paragraph and then sending posts to my drafts is the most self restraint I've exercised in a hundred years

#if i was in a renaissance mood i would have NO self restraint #there is nothing i love more after (redacted) than renaissance conspiracies #you think crassus-scapegoat-theory is a lot wait until i get into the scapegoat theory i ACTUALLY care about with my whole chest

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mythicaldemigoddess-of-deltarune · 1 year

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Helluva Boss Theory: Was It Barbie Wire That Broke Blitz and Fizzarolli's Friendship...? Part 2

[Note: Do Not Reblog Without Permission. also because I also ends up bringing thoughts and theories about Undertale and a bit of Deltarune, the tags will also have Undertale and Deltarune in there...also reading this theory is optional....which will also talk about Verosika and Succubus.]

anyway I was writing this theory last night, because of certain reasons I had to stop and make the first one into a Part 1, and write more about the theory the next day.....which is now, so here is Part 2 that talks about the theory that involves Barbie Wire.

we don’t really know much about Barbie, and we can only guess what her and Blitz’s relationship was like from a Fanon sense, and plus if it turns out they aren’t really all that close anymore, then the versions of Barbie that is in a Fanon Timeline, would be like a Alternate Counterpart of the Main Canon Timeline one....

just like how some fans have assumed that Chara from Undertale is a Geno Psycho, but if you either played the Geno Route and was able to make it past Undyne (which I sadly haven’t, I haven’t even been able to beat Jevil in Deltarune, so half the time I would try to fight him, or just leave the door open.....he can leave outside his prison himself....)

then some of you might of been able to beat Sans next, and then make it to the very end where you will be face to face with Chara or [Redacted], I mean the name Chara is the Default name, so the Player can choose either to go with the Default Name or give a different name that is either their own or some other name.

(I will be back to talking about the Barbie Wire Theory, AFTER I talk about what I need to be said about Undertale’s Timelines.)

anyway if you do choose to, if you choose the name “Frisk” it might hold some more meaning than it seems, I mean even the dialogue kind of points this out.

plus there might be more than one Frisk, and not just the one that the Player leaves behind in the Queen Toriel Timeline, and that version of Frisk NEVER got to leave the Underground because the Alphys from that timeline ends up kidnaps them and takes them to the true lab and places them behind that large glass that is that room with the flowers, and at first it seems that is the Frisk that we are controlling own reflection, but it might only seem that way.

like when we use the elevator, we don’t really head to the True Pacifist Timeline’s True Lab, we fall through into the Other Timeline that the Player’s Red Proxy Soul had left and it’s not until we go through that one elevator and to the room where the generator is, that we end up back in the True Pacifist Timeline and meeting back up with True Pacifist Alphys.

anyway Toriel from the Queen Toriel Timeline might of secretly been pulling some strings and using the Player/Frisk in taking out her ex-husband.

but the Toriel from the True Pacifist Timeline, NEVER had those thoughts and despite her not being happy with her ex-husband King Asgore, she doesn’t want him or Frisk to be hurt just so someone could leave the underground.

if we only do one Retest, like going from the name “Frisk” to “Chara/[Redacted]”, then if we later on after fighting Flowey in his Omega form....but then Reload to where we last saved where we are suppose to fight Asgore, but can go into the room, but then tell him we aren’t ready yet and then go and leave the room, and when we head to the spot where Papyrus and Undyne should finally call, which I guess I really didn’t need to Reset to get that to happen, I just needed to beat Omega Flowey first and then spare him after he return back into his normal Flower form....

anyway we all know the love letter that Undyne will have The Player and Frisk take to Alphys.....but when I did try to go to that spot where it ends up triggering the call, but for some reason even after walking with Alphys to the elevators, but not going in the elevator, but heading to the spot where those two should of called.....nothing happens, and I guess one can only assume that it can only happen if you Reset, but it happens after you fight King Asgore, then Omega-Flowey and then spare Flowey when he is back to his normal flower form.

once we “leave” the underground, Flowey will appear again and suggest we reload to our last save and I guess I had made some mistake before with the Resets.....and yeah in the Offline Account that has a Mii-Frisk, the plan is to NOT play Undertale after finishing and completing a True Pacifist Route and Freeing All The Monsters....and in that Timeline, I had named the Fallen Human “Frisk” and tried to do something of a No-Mercy and Mercy.

and those who I know I had spared in that Hard Mode Timeline, would be Blooky and Toriel, and once I was able to, I changed the name to Chara.

and made sure to only show Mercy to the Monsters, as well as befriending Papyrus and Undyne....of course I didn’t flirt or go on a date with Papyrus in that new save on that Offline Account that has a Mii-Frisk...

I wanted to just have them become friends and just hang out instead.

and in my Fan Headcanon point of view, if I had only Reset Once during that, going from naming the Fallen Human, “Frisk” to “Chara” and even Reloading from the Queen Toriel Timeline (which might be the true timeline.) and end up in the True Pacifist Timeline by the request of Flowey.....and then we give Undyne’s letter to Alphys, which of course will cause a big misunderstanding from Alphys...

but the point is, that even if we leave that Queen Toriel Timeline, and don’t really Reset but only Reload, then that Timeline should still exist, and when we do go in the elevator that takes us to the true lab, we don’t go to the True Lab that is in the True Pacifist Timeline aka “The Anomaly Timeline.”

we end up back in the Queen Toriel Timeline, and we see what appears to be a reflection of Frisk in that room with the flowers, but it might not be a reflection at all, but is the Frisk we left behind when our Red Proxy Soul ends up jumping from one timeline to another, so that Frisk is trapped in the underground, in the true lab, in the Queen Toriel Timeline aka “The True Timeline.”

and at some point when going through the True Lab in the Queen Toriel Timeline, we end up back in the True Pacifist Timeline which once again, is a Anomaly Timeline....

we go through that one elevator and go through to the hall with those computer screens and then we head into the room with the generator and turn it back on.

plus when we do head back to the elevator and do end up going up to where we will head to King Asgore.....we get a call from someone that Frisk doesn’t recognize, and if I have to guess....maybe it is “Ralsei” or like Flowey who was from the Queen Toriel Timeline, but he left that timeline and ended up in Deltarune’s World and anyway in theory, I believe that Flowey could of befriended the True-Ralsei, and tries to make sure to protect Susie and Kris from the Other-Ralsei, who ends up replacing the True-Ralsei in Chapter 2....

and I think I will talk more about that theory in another post....

but the point is, we could view Barbie from the canon as someone who is different from most of her Fanon Alternate Timeline Counterparts.

we might not know very much about Barbie right now, or even how Blitzo and Fizzarolli’s friendship had broke and fell apart, but my guess and theory is that Barbie Wire may have something to do with it, and like I had said before in Part 1 of this, she might of had them go to a place where she knew it would be dangerous.....and it’s okay if my theory about Barbie Wire is incorrect and I don’t mind if the new episodes where she appears in, ends up disproving this theory, and I kind of hope it does disprove my theory.

and yeah, as weird as it sounds, I think it might be possible that Blitz ad Barbie’s Mom might of been part Succubus, and if their Dad is a Arch-Imp, that would mean that both Blitz and Barbie are Arch-Imp/Succubus Hybrids.

but even hybrids can still get a little drained from their little “snu-snu” time with a full succubus, and Verosika could be scapegoating Blitz and blaming him for the reasons why their relationship ended....

but with how her and her crew treated Moxxie, it is kind of evidence that she might of been the reason why they aren’t together anymore.

Blitz might of got off more lucky than Moxxie, because Blitz is Half Arch-Imp & Half Succubus, so even if Verosika did drain him when they made “snu-snu” together, it wouldn’t be to a dangerous level where it would drain a Imp who isn’t part succubus of all their energy and stamina like Moxxie.

Moxxie is a perfect example of what can happen to a Imp that isn’t part Succubus, and while Blitz was clearly upset at what happen to Moxxie, he might know from experience because of how he use to date Verosika.

and he might know how some Imps and even other demons (both sinners and hellborns) will react to being with a full Succubus, while they wont be any danger of dying, they can still lose a lot of energy and stamina...

with Succubus Hybrids who have a intimate relationship with a Full Succubus, who isn’t a Hybrid....they will only get a little of their energy and stamina drained.

and if Blitz couldn’t “please” Verosika, it might have to do to the fact that he was tired and lost half of his energy and stamina, and yet in her little solo song, she ends up blaming him for everything....

for Humans it is a different story, and probably something that Blitz doesn’t know about, because his Mom may have kept him from knowing such a dangerous truth....

if a Succubus sucks too much energy and stamina from a Human, it could not just make them like how Moxxie was after being kissed attacked by Verosika and her Succub*tch Squad....

but the humans would end up dying, and I guess they would end up going to either Heaven or Hell, and becoming Saint Angels or Sinner Demons.

but there could be some exceptions, if a Succubus or even a Hybrid Succubus, were to meet THE ONE, then the human or demon or whatever they could be, they could be a Irken or even a Half-Gem like Steven....

then the said “One” wont be in any danger, at least as if they were Human.

if what some theories are true, that Barbie left to be with a Human, then that said Human might be “The One” but even if we only have so much to go on from that sneak peak clip, we wont know for sure if it is true that Barbie left Hell to go live in the Human World to be with her “true love” until we see the episode.

I guess I do have Rosario+Vampire to thank for that whole “The One” Theory....

so yeah if a Human turns out to be Succubus or Imp-Succubus Hybrid’s true love, and being like their “zing”, then the Human might not be in danger of dying from their energy being drained, because maybe, they would have like a LOT of energy inside them.

plus for all we know, maybe it could be Humans with RH Negative Blood....

and according to some info I read before, O RH D Negative and O RH D Positive are the most Ancient Blood Type Groups....

and yeah I will try to get around in checking if my blood type will come out as O RH D Negative for a third time when I can, I need to try to stop putting it off...

and yeah I couldn’t get a Doctor to see what my blood type is, and lucky there was that whole Home Blood Type Test thing, because apparently Doctors wont help with checking what blood type you have unless your going to have surgery.

and I guess in theory, Succubus like Verosika, and possible hybrid Quarter Succubus like Blitz and Barbie, were to ever meet a Human with O RH D Negative or O RH D Positive Blood type, then there would be this type of “pull feeling” like a Zing (and yeah I’m a fan of the Hotel Transylvania Movie.)

and if Barbie did end up sneaking out of Hell with some help, to go to the Human World, she might of at first only did it for the fun of it, and possibly to get away from Blitz, and I guess she could of had help from Verosika....

but when Barbie was in the Human World, she may have saw a Human that made her have that “pull feeling” and it being like a love at first sight type...

when this happens, a Succubus (no matter if they are Male, Female or Nonbinary.) will do whatever it takes to stay with The One....the one they were meant to find, the one who wont die if they are human, if they drain a little of their energy when they....you know have snu-snu.

they could also end up meeting The One, when they dream-walk into humans sleep, and I guess maybe Barbie could of dreamed walked and met The One and knew that the only way she could be with them, is if she left Hell and went to the Human World.

this whole “pull feeling/love at first sight” for a Succubus from Helluva Boss, is just a Theory and it’s okay if it ends up only Fanon.

but before Barbie possibly decided to leave Hell for whatever reason, but we don’t know for sure if that is the case, but we wont know until we see the episode she will be appearing in....

and well, before that....she might of ended up having a poor relationship with her brother and even Fizzarolli, possibly...

plus if there are Exterminators in Helluva Boss as well, as Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss could be in the same universe, but have different stories happening to them respectfully....

and if the shows were real, and it turn out that Adam from the Hazbin Hotel was one in the same with the Adam that was Lilith’s Ex.....

I would want to groin punch him.....but I would start with Mammon, since Mammon (not talking about the one from the Helluva Boss) was the first guy I had thoughts of doing that to, because of the whole Coca-Cola price raised thing....which might be back to normal, so yeah...that is good.

and if a Defective Earth Angel wants to groin punch Adam and even those three Angels that messed up badly trying to get Lilith to return to Adam....then I guess it would be kind of weird and surprising....?

and if I had Angelic Weapons, like how the Exterminators have or like Cletus, Collin and Keenie have.....

I would want Boxing Gloves, so I could knock the stupidity out of every single Masculine Angel & Masculine Fallen Angel.

I can move my hands really fast, and sometimes do so when washing my hands, so I could probably punch really fast.

so it be like “Mama Said Knock You Out”.....but for me, it be like “Feminine Energy Said To Knock You Out”......that would include both the Toxic-Masculine and Toxic-Feminine energy to knock out....

anyway, I know I haven’t really been in a physical fight before....but I think that my family had to keep me from going after someone who was being mean to one of my family members, like there being a protective force that tells you to defend and protect...

anyway, I know one time some two bimbos had made me really mad with their fight, and I did walk away, but it doesn’t mean those two bimbos didn’t still make me really mad with what their stupid toxic-feminine cat fight caused....

and I guess if I didn’t walk away or had some of my sense to tell me to....

I might of pulled those two girl’s hair so hard and make them sorry they ever caused my lunch to fall on the floor......you do NOT mess with my food....

also I am not using the term “bimbo” as in when you find someone attractive, I’m using the insult term of it.....and in my point of view, those girls were insensitive cows....who couldn’t take that stupid fight outside.

and I know I did the right thing, by just walking away, but it doesn’t mean I’m still not happy with what those two jerks did.

but it’s like even if you NEVER been in a physical fight in your life, but at times you have thoughts of wanting to pull the hair of or slap or punch the jerks who deserve it.

but you are kept from doing so if you try to act on it, because some jerk was bullying your family, and someone else has to hold you back and keep you from going at the person who is being a bully...

and it’s not like the “word fights” aren’t any better, especially if you only agree to some terms that stops the fight but only has the other party get fully what they want without solving it the right way so both sides are fully happy....

and not just a 99% on one side and 100% on the other side....

and I don’t like if Violence in real life gets into the Toxic-Violence Zone, there is like different levels of it, and while that can be okay to use in fictional worlds, like video games and movies, and NEVER to act on them in real life.

but maybe I can talk more about that later, like way later....

but anyway, I don’t think I can have a lot to go on with the fan theory about Blitz’s sister, we know so little about her and only know very little about her.

so I can only make fan theories and guesses about her, from just reading a bit on her as well as from that new sneak peak that was shown of her.

but what if it does turn out to be true, that she might of had some part in why Blitz and Fizz’s friendship had fallen apart and they became no longer friends anymore....

and if Fizz had parents who were part Arch-Imp and Succubus, I guess that would explain his closeness with Ozzie, maybe...?

so maybe it is possible that Fizzarolli is a Quarter Succubus, like how Blitz and Barbie are.....I could be wrong about that theory.

but we don’t know much about how Blitz and Fizz’s friendship became broken and leading to the point where they can’t stand each other, and Blitz not being able to stand even the Robo-Fizz Counterparts of his Ex-Friend and who might possibly be his Ex-Boyfriend or Ex-Crush who he might of never confessed his true feelings to, and after the friendship ended, he then ended up with Verosika sometime after his falling out with Fizz....

it could be possible that their friendship might of had been lost, on a Extermination Day or “Cleansing Day” and the two might of not known it was on THAT Day, but Barbie knew, and she possibly used it to get those two to lose their close friendship and bond.

and if they were at another ring and had just got back to The Pride Ring, then they might of came back to witness Angels killing both Sinner and Hellborn Demons.

so what I’m going with this, is that a Exterminator may have took Fizzarolli’s original arms and legs.

and both Blitz and Fizz might of barely made it out of there and back home.

but because of what happen, Fizz thought that Blitz knew that it was Extermination Day and Lied About it, just so they could go to one of the other rings....but Blitz had no idea that it was Extermination Day, BUT Barbie did...

and she didn’t bother to remind the two that it was today, because she was possibly hoping the two would be taken out by those Angels.

yeah that might be heartless to think she would go that far, but we are talking about a possibility that Barbie might of did that, but hopefully this theory about Barbie can be proven not true.

it be funny while some Demons in Hell in Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel have to worry about Exterminators/Exorcist Angels....

the Angels have to worry about being punched in the face by High Ranking Earth Angels of The Goddess, who will teleport from their Earthly Paradise in the New Year, and use boxing gloves to punch the stupid insensitivity out of some Angels....

Collin ad a few other Angels NEVER get punched, because they are pure cinnamon rolls with actual good hearts....they get chocolate chip cookies or any type of cookies instead along with a hug or pat on their head, before the Earth Angel goes back to punching some Angels in the fact.

and maybe some Earth Angels, would throw a boot to the head to some of the Heaven Angels....you know like that funny comedy....but no one should really do that.

and each year Cletus and Keenie get the most punches to the face or stomach or in the worse cases, groin punches or kicks.

and they could wonder why Collin NEVER gets hurt during those days...

Heaven Angels, Masculine Angelic Energies, even if some like Keenie are Female......

Earth Angels, Feminine Angelic Energies, which might have to do with The Goddess.....and only some Earth Angels might be Co-Creations of both God & Goddess....

and yeah, some Earth Angels might be biologically born Male, and some can be Transgender, Nonbinary and some can be born Intersex.

of course there is more than just one type of Intersex, and the lucky ones wont be notice to be Intersex when they are born, so Doctors and their Parents wont take the choice away from them or do any surgery without the consent....

the unlucky ones who are notice to be Intersex, they will be unlucky because the Doctors and the Parents if they play a part in it, to do a surgery without the consent of the one they are giving the surgery to.

also in my fan theory, I think Kat who is part of Verosika’s Gang....

might be Nonbinary and could be Ace, and I don’t mean “Ace” as in the same name as the character from Verosika’s Gang.

I mean that Kat might be Asexual, but might not mind kissing and being close with that one human girl who they were with, and I would OTP ship them.

plus maybe that girl is Aceflux, I think some info says her name was “Rat” but that could be short for her full name, and I don’t think I know a name that has the words “Rat” in it...

one of my other theories about Kat, is that the reason why they weren’t at Ozzie’s, is because they are still underage....

I don’t think I ever saw Kat in that episode or in Ozzie’s Club, so my guess is the reason why that is, is because Kat is not only the youngest out of Verosika’s Gang, but they are also underage and cannot go into Ozzie’s because of it.

I’m not sure if Kat is Nonbinary or not, but it is a theory....

same with the theory that has to do with them being Asexual, and for all we know they could be Aceflux.

and since there is Succubi that are both Male, Female and Possibly Nonbinary...in Helluva Boss...

then what would Incubus be...?

I do wonder if the Ink Demon Bendy aka “Ink-Bendy” would count as a....

Inkubus...cause he is suppose to be a demon and he is made of Ink....

also even if this does talk about some other stuff, like theories about the Succubus from the Helluva Boss series, and how Verosika is scapegoating her ex-boyfriend Blitz, on why their relationship died....

cause once again, Moxxie is proof on what happens when Succubi drain a Imp or any other demon that isn’t a full succubus of their energy and stamina.

and only “The One” that the Succubus are destined to feel a pull to, that is like a love at first sight type thing, no matter if they are a Human or Imp, can only feel a little drained.

unlike Imps or other demons, a Succubus can end up killing a human if they take too much energy from them.

so if it weren’t for that giant monster fish or I.M.P. then it could be possible that Verosika’s gang would of ended up going a bit overboard and end up taking too much energy and stamina from the humans.....well all but Kat.

only some of the target humans had lost their lives to the I.M.P....

while others would of ended up losing their lives by The Succub*tch Squad.

so in a way, that Giant Monster Fish and the I.M.P did technically saved human lives, who were not on the I.M.P.’s hit list, from being drained to death by Verosika’s gang....

it might be possible that Succubus Hybrids, both demon, angel and human....

might not have the same full powers as a full succubus....

meaning there is a chance they might not have the gene that will cause their romantic partners to die from being drained of all their energy.

and if the Succubus is a mix of part Human & Angel, then it would technically be them who would be in danger of both Humans and Succubus....

cause once again, I still think I had a Incubus Encounter when I was sleeping, and it happen a few years ago....and it was dark, I was on my back....and well it ended up feeling too real, and I believe what was a Incubus had scared me awake....so they hardly didn’t get to do anything, but still ended up scaring me fully awake.

and yeah instead of placing others in a trance, it’s those who are half-human, angel and a quarter succubus that ends up being put in a trance by either both a other succubus or incubus, or by other humans who can’t freaking control their lustful energies....

I still haven’t put my dream-catcher back up yet, and there is a reason why I had it taken done, but maybe I can have it be put back up sometime....

and the only reason I decided to use a dream-catcher again, was because it is to protect me from dream-walking and having my dream-self being placed in a trance, and I think it was my gem bracelets that I was wearing to bed, that saved me from that close call....so I have to worry about not just protecting myself from Incubus, but also humans....

anyway not sure if there would Half-Angel & Half-Succubus in the show, but if they work differently than most Succubus Hybrids who are half-Imps...

and it could be possible that a quarter succubus who is a offspring of a Half-Succubus & Half-Imp or Human or whichever the other half is....

would be less dangerous than a full succubus, and wont be able to drain a human to death.

and I guess a Succubus Hybrid who is Half-Angel, would be like Catnip to other Succubus, being a mix of “Naughty & Nice” or whatever it is that attracts Succubus to hybrids that are not a fully a succubus, but is only a small percent one from their heritage.

and back to the whole Barbie Wire being the one that caused Blitz and Fizz to no longer be friends, while it could be possible that she was the source, but there is a chance it wasn’t her and it was something else that cause those two to no longer be friends.

I might make a part 3 of this theory, once I see the episode that Barbie Wire will make a full appearance in.

I think for now, I can only have very little to go on with the theory that Barbie might be responsible for their friendship ending....

also if it is true that Stolas did not fully consent to having snu-snu with Stella, and if it does imply in The Circus episode, but Stella plays it off that he doesn’t do anything and is terrible in bed.....then maybe it could be possible that the reason why Octavia was able to be born, well her Egg came first and then she hatched.....might have to do with Stolas thinking about the one he loved, and that being Blitz....

so like it being a little like Futurama, while Leela is the biological mother of Kiff’s children, but the true parent is the one who gave the feelings of love in the first place that was able to let the offspring be born in the first place....

so in other words, while Stella may have had the Egg, she is NOT the true mother, because Stolas’s love for Blitz and thoughts of him even when Stella was being a forceful b*tch, was able to finally give Stolas the one good thing that came out of his nightmare of a marriage with Stella....

and that was Octavia....the reasons why after so many “tries” they didn’t have a egg at first, is because Stolas didn’t think about Blitz, and picturing the life they could of had together, and I’m guessing the last time they saw each other, might of been when they they were in mid-teens or early 20s.

I think I will talk about a theory that has to do with Stella technically not being Octavia’s true mother, even if she did technically bring her egg into this world....maybe in the next post after this....and after that post I will talk about FNAF theory that was thanks to a dream I had....

sorry I couldn’t talk very much about the Barbie Wire theory, and how it might be possible that she could of been the cause of Blitz and Fizz no longer being friends, and it’s okay if the canon in the show ends up debunking that theory and part of me hopes it does....

but once I see the episode that Barbie is to appear in and get to see how she is like, maybe it will give me more to work on in the theory I have about her and if she may or may have not been the cause of Blitz and Fizzarolli’s no longer being friends.

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