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monoukotori · 8 months
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Hi. I've seen some of your posts where you mention extra chapters called Saint Seiya Origin. Do they maybe have another name? I couldn't find any information because all the results are always just showing the classic series. Google "thinks" I'm searching for the world original.
There are several extra saint seiya chapters that are like a precuel of stuff that happens in the manga, focused mostly in the gemini twins
They are:
Saint Seiya Episode Zero
Saint Seiya Origin
Saint Seiya Destiny
I recommend reading them in that order
They're hard to come by in english so I'm leaving them here so you can read all of it :3
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kyuremking · 2 years
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Saint Seiya Review - Origin and Destiny
I have already read Origin and Destiny.
I didn't like most of them, I only had a few parts that I liked.
I don't like Ker, I consider her unnecessary, I don't like her actions and I don't like that she didn't die when Kanon attacked her with Poseidon's Trident.
I didn't like that the Gemini Saints arrived at the shrine like shooting stars, I would have preferred them to have arrived in a more normal way.
Shion should have been cold-blooded enough to kill that incorporeal Lemur.
To me Saga's dissociative personality disorder was caused by either natural causes or an accident during his training (which was possibly made worse by Kanon's words).
They ruined Deathmask and Aphrodite again by showing them as cowards who would agree to kill Athena in exchange for their freedom.
The only thing I liked was that Saga showed her remorse again and that she wanted to commit suicide.
And that I was shown a bit of the Marine Generals, as well as Isaac being able to recognise Kanon as someone who was trained to be a Saint.
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tetitous · 1 year
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I may be projecting one of the rare anime trios I like onto my fav series but I feel like the dudebros of KH would be better off just enjoying Sasha, Alone and Tenma's story from Saint Seiya: The Lost Canvas, because clearly their dynamic is what they seem to be expecting from the Destiny trio
(And maybe I just wish most people knew about Saint Seiya: The Lost Canvas, because, like, the anime is great okay?)
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a-schwarzung · 11 months
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Intertwined Destinies (serie)
Una serie de historias alrededor de Aiolia, Shaka, Milo y Camus que explora sus relaciones y visión del mundo.
Contiene referencias de Episodio G. Se apega más al manga que al anime.
Commitment:  Después de recatar a Aiolia en India, Shaka decide que no es seguro dejarlo solo. 
Awakening:  Aioria y Shaka mantienen una conversación tras una misión en la India. Tintes de shounen-ai.
Secret Grief:  Milo de Escorpio detesta a Aiolia de Leo, pero el motivo es algo que nunca admitiría en voz alta.
Estranged:  Después de una misión en la India y de haber sido salvado por Milo, Aiolia recibe una visita de éste.
Alienation:  Después de lo ocurrido durante su enfrentamiento con los santos de Bronce, Aiolia desea una explicación por parte de Shaka.
Dissolution: Tras lo ocurrido en la batalla de los doce templos Shaka busca a Milo para pedirle un favor.
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sunshinemoonrx · 6 months
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Started another show
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You might have heard of it.
Episode 1 thoughts, unsorted:
-I actually watched just this first episode before years ago, but didn't get any further. I think fundamentally the difference between me now and me then is back then I thought the OP and ED were kinda slow and boring and now I've seen enough Space Sheriff to be like hell yeah, man, hell yeah, man
-hey why does Char immediately do a T&A pose (pictured). Anyway I have jokingly described half my favourite characters as char-a-likes all these years so really this is just fulfilling my destiny
-I forgot Amuro is voiced by Tooru Furuya, but as a big Saint Seiya fan I could hardly avoid realising it the second he started talking. Now I get a second big series lead by him? (You might also know him as Yamcha)
-The contrast between the OP being like Go! Go, Gundam! Fight for the Future, Gundam! Discover your Destiny, Gundam! and then the first few minutes are like so the war killed half the population and now we're employing child guerilla fighters. Like I know that's the show's reputation. War Is Bad dot jpeg etc. but man.
-Amuro's dad was the deadest anyone has ever been from the moment he stepped on screen but I would not have guessed the specific way that played out! That's rough, buddy
-I really like all the tactile little details like the zero-G space handrails
-Oh yeah this is the show where everyone hits each other, huh
-I was curious if "Principality" meant Zeon actually has, like, a Prince or something somewhere, then figured it's just a translation and means that in the more general sense, but their uniforms do seem to be deliberately harkening back to old-fashioned nobility
-As one of the three people under 50 who have played Steve Jackson Games' OGRE the way they treat mecha in this is very reminiscent of how that setting (released just two years before this actually) treats its cyber-megatanks
-Had a mental 180 where at first I went "oh wait, it's Kidou Senshi Gundam, I guess Mobile Suit is just an approximation since the literal translation would be like Mobile Soldier", but then in the actual dialogue they just say Mobile Suit in English, so never mind.
...wait, does this terminology all originate from the term "Mobile Infantry" for the power-suits in Starship Troopers?
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santiyasha16 · 8 months
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Redraw de una ilustración de hace dos años. Saint Seiya Destiny #双子座のサガ #SaintSeiya #聖闘士星矢 #loscaballerosdelzodiaco #leschevaliersduzodiaque #聖闘士星矢destiny #gemini
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yuurei20 · 1 year
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Meet the Seiyuu: Lilia Vanrouge
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Lilia’s VA  Midorikawa has voiced many characters in iconic series such as SLAM DUNK’s Rukawa Kaede and Gundam Wing’s Heero Yuy (the performance that inspired Shimazaki Nobunaga—the VA of Lilia’s adopted son, Silver—to go into voice acting as well).
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In interviews Midorikawa has explained that he first formed an interest in voice acting in elementary school after watching the anime “Mobile Suit Gundam” and as a child he decided to, one day, join the same agency as the VA of the main character after reading about the company in a voice acting magazine.
That is now his current agency, Aoni Production.
As the eldest son in his family he was originally intended to take over the family pharmacy, but he defied his parents in order to pursue his dream of voice acting.
Midorikawa made his voice acting debut in 1988 and has since had roles in over 300 anime series and OVA and 400 video games. 
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Where you know Midorikawa from will vary by generation, so here is a quick rundown of a fraction of the projects in which he has appeared: Flame of Recca, Weiß kreuz, Cowboy Bebop, GTO, Doraemon, Detective Conan, SHAMAN KING, s.CRY.ed, SAMURAI DEEPER KYO, Tokyo Mew Mew, Astro Boy, Saint Beast, Xenosaga THE ANIMATION, Naruto, Yu-Gi-Oh! (Season 0), Air Gear, CODE GEASS Lelouch of the Rebellion, Togainu no Chi...
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...BLEACH, Angel Beats!, Fate/Zero, Saint Seiya, DIABOLIK LOVERS, Dragonball Z, Fushigi Yugi, Granblue Fantasy, Fire Emblem, Haven’t You Heard? I’m Sakamoto, Persona 3, Danganronpa, ACCA: 13-Territory Inspection Dept., My Hero Academia, ONE PUNCH MAN, SK∞ the Infinity, AIR, Slayers and Tales of Destiny 2.
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Midorikawa enjoys collecting merchandise that features characters he has voiced.
He appears as a guest in episode 5 of Twisted Radio Station, brings out a bag full of Twst-related merchandise (including a magical pen that he says he won in a raffle) and shows off his Diasomnia socks during the recording (much to Sebek's VA Ishiya Haruki's delight).
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Collection of Midorikawa roles, Part 1
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Collection of Midorikawa roles, Part 2
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soleminisanction · 1 year
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Spoilers for the Knights of the Zodiac live-action movie, for the five of you who care.
I'm legitimately intrigued by what little we get of Nero in film, and what could imply given the general lore of the series. What stood out to me:
Marin, who is stuck on a mystical island for vague "destiny says so" reasons (honestly it's just an excuse for why she can't help in the climax, and gives Seiya and Saori a safe place to retreat to once all is said and done), knows of him, telling Seiya, "I knew of a Knight once who fought only for power -- the strongest of Athena's knights, the Phoenix."
He uses his Phantom Demon to interrogate a guy, but doesn't get to use it in the fight with Seiya. He also doesn't lose that fight; it gets interrupted and he's blown away by Athena, opening the chance for him to still be a pretty brutal threat in the future.
One of the things he does for Guraad is build this big, mystical-looking device that's intended to like, suck out Athena's godly cosmos and destroy her. He describes this as "half" of his plan, with the other half being to steal the gold cloth that Guraad is using as... I think a power source? It's not exactly clear and doesn't really matter, point is that she has it and he takes it during the climax.
And then there's the details I mentioned in my last post about his "Humanity needs no gods" line and the earring that looks an awful lot like Shun/Shaun's triangle-tipped Andromeda Chain.
So like I said, it could very well be that he's there in his standard capacity as an agent of Sanctuary, sent to kill Athena and reclaim/steal the Gold Cloth for himself. But, like... imagine how interesting it would be if this version of him, for example, remembered that childhood encounter with Pandora, the one where she seemingly merged the soul of the god of death with his baby sibling. That would put a whole new spin on why he would've specifically learned/researched/developed the god-killer machine, and his particular drive to prevent them from returning to the human world.
Having Nero/Ikki know about Shaun/Shun's connection to Hades the entire time and be doing everything he can to prevent it would be a great way to work one of the most popular parts of the mythos more cohesively into the narrative. It'd also be a nice thematic parallel with what the film already does with both Sienna and Patricia, and provide a good reason for this version of Seiya -- who doesn't have the childhood friend connection with the other bronze saints/knights -- to find comradery with Shun and, through them, come to understand Nero.
IDK, I think it'd be really interesting. It probably won't happen given how little buzz this film has been getting but a fan can dream.
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classicanime79 · 10 days
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kosmicpowers · 9 months
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Looking back on it, Seiya realized he never truly hated the Silver Saints. Even though they'd tried to kill him they only did it because it was their job. They didn't know that Saga was an imposter of the true pope, they thought they were protecting the true Athena. He didn't hold anything against them.
Except one.
Argol. Perceus Argol. The man who made Shiryu blind himself, who took away his beautiful eyes, put him in so much pain. Every night Seiya lie awake crying out to the stars that controlled his destiny why it couldn't be him. He was so young and stupid always putting his friends in danger, if anything he deserves such punishment. Not wise and selfless Shiryu, who'd saved him so many times, he didn't deserve any of it.
Was it a selfish desire for Seiya to want? Perhaps, it was Shiryu's body and his choice on what to do with it. And he had to do it to save his friends. Seiya just wished he could take all the scars and all the pain away. He wanted to be the one to bring Argol to his knees, he wished he could revive him just to torture him. To make him feel even a sliver of the pain that Shiryu felt every second. Seiya's mind was tainted with twisted sadistic thoughts of how he wanted to extract his revenge in that imaginary scenario and he hated it as much as he loved it. Saints weren't supposed to be bloodthirsty, they were supposed to be protectors of all things sacred, always ready to battle and sacrifice themselves for the greater good. That's just how it was since the dawn of humanity, it was an awful system to be part of yet irreplaceable.
It was destiny. To carry the pain the rest of humanity wasn't ready for. Terrible, terrible fate.
Seiya's cosmos were burning with rage at this realization. There was nothing he could do to turn back time. No cure for Shiryu's eyes.
Unless...
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yo-aroleplayfinder · 5 months
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BITCHES BE SHOPPING ☄💫
27 years old - TMZ UTC/GMT-3 - only 20+ y/o rp partners - Please DNI, if you're younger than that.
I'm looking for Saint Seiya/Knights of the zodiac/cavaleiros do zodíaco RPs on Discord!
- 3rd person, with a preference for multiple paragraphs replies. It's not novella style, but I won't do one-liners. - I'm looking for long-term partners, I love plotting out extensive threads and AUs or verses. - I want our RPs to be pretty chill, I'm not a particularly fast-replier. So, my partner shouldn't rush into replies. - Open for SFW and NSFW (both smut and darkfic subjects) rps. I'm cool interacting with aged up or older versions of characters, that are underage within the source material. - With all due respect, I don't interact/RP with Self-inserts or kins. - Not interested in OCs and crossovers, sorry! - Triggers and further boundaries will be discussed via DMs. - You don't need to know every little detail about the source material. I'll be more than glad to try help you out refresh your memory, or even discuss things. I'm cool with canon divergences. - I have many ideas for plots/threads, which will be discussed and elaborated in DMs - I'm specifically looking for things tied to the classic series only, I'm not familiar with anything from the most recent spin-offs (such as: Lost canvas, Saintia Sho, G Assassin, Omega, Next Dimension, etc). I've watched the anime and the Soul of Gold OVA. Manga-wise, I've read episode Zero, G, Origins and Destiny. I'm currently keeping up with the Re-rise of Poseidon manga.
Characters I'm offering: Cancer Deathmask, Virgo Shaka, Taurus Aldebaran, Scorpio Milo, Gemini Kanon and Saggitarius Aiolos.
Characters I'm looking to write with: Gold saints (Happy to interact with any, but ESPECIALLY looking for: Aries Mu, Pisces Aphrodite, Aquarius Camus and Gemini Saga) > Marina generals (Chrysaor Krishna) > Bronze > Silver saints > Hades spectres.
ROMANTIC Ships: Mu/Aldebaran, Aphrodite/Deathmask, Camus/Milo, Krishna/Shaka and Saga/Shaka
These are my most wanted ships rn. I only have one or two NOTPs, but outside of it I'm practically open to any combinations.
Family connections: Kanon & Saga and Aiolos & Aiolia
Considering how a good chunk of this serie's fans are Brazilians, I'm willing to RP in Portuguese as well!
Like this post and I will reach you out!
YO YO YO LIKE THA POST AN ANON WILL REACH OUT!!!!!!!!
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monoukotori · 7 months
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@littlelightvii
So fucking many
I'm making a roll caaall~💕
Non-canon spinoffs
1.- Episode G, Episode G Assassin and Episode G Requiem
The OG spinoff
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2.- Lost Canvas and Lost Canvas Gaiden
The favorite of the fandom, apparently
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3.- Saintia Sho and Saintia Sho memories
Underrated IMO
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4.- Dark Wing
First of the new generation
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5.- Rerise of Poseidon
The newest one, the baby 🍼
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6.- Time Odyssey
A FRENCH spinoff... Bandes dessinée
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And now for the anime!
7.- Omega!
The black sheep of the family
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8.- Soul of Gold
Fanservice galore
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9.- Knights of the Zodiac
Western saint Seiya
I don't like it 🥴
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Canon spinoffs are of course Episode Zero, Origin and Destiny but Tumblr doesn't let me add more than 10 images
Also there are the novels Gigantomachia and Golden Age!
I have both in English*, I think 🤔 if you would like me to give them to you
Edit: I missremembered, I have them in SPANISH
Edit 2: There is also Next Dimension which is the official sequel but its not really a spin-off
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digitalgate02 · 1 year
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Okay, but would you say that the normal digimentals are silver or bronze? And why would you categorize them like that?
I would categorize them as bronze except for Light and Hope. Because those concepts seem to be in the middle road for me. Courage, Friendship, Curiosity, Reliability, etc. feel more like characteristics that define you rather than the epitome of virtue they represent virtues.
Hope and Light seem to be a little more than those, and even Love could be in this category (Also, both Light and Love are already silvery, so that's that). Even the one you make about Justice/Fairness seems to fit more into Silver for me. Because everyone can be self-righteous, but that would not be justice nor fairness. I would not put virtues in here, like Tolerance or Temperance, these last two being even capital virtues. But I would put Joy/Happiness here, it seems to me to fit with Light, Hope, Love, and Justice.
Miracles and Fates are like touching boundaries of what's already meant to happen and changing them, so any other gold would be like that as well, changing the odds in one favor. If I may go into another fandom just like you did with Saint Seiya.
In Umineko, and subsequently, Higurashi no naku koro ni series, the most powerful beings are witches but they get titles that define the extension of their powers. Witch of Infinity/Endless, Witch of Resurrection, Witch of Truth, Witch of Certainty, Witch of Drama there's even a Witch of Miracles. So I guess some of these aspects could become golden eggs.
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Uh… I didn’t think about it like that, honestly…
My idea when i had that thought was creating more Digimentals with the themes based on the Golden Digimentals Miracles & Destiny*
My idea was tied to these new crests i made recently – In which they could represent a more “mental” or “spiritual” power compared to the golden ones (actually, only Miracles have a full classification – its element is Metal, grants metal-based powers, has the high defensive abilities and can overcome obstacles with a miraculous power. Meanwhile Destiny’s element and its properties are still unknown), at least what i had in mind before that post were “something something Silver Digimentals” 😅 Not sure about the Bronze ones yet…!!
But I like your idea a lot, you didn’t need to put my fanmade ones too, but i appreciate it.
* sorry, Kizuna’s Destiny (unmei) vs Fate (shukumei) is still messing up my brain lol I can't get to translate "Unmei" as "Fate" ever again thanks to Kizuna orz
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ssoalternative · 7 months
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Saint Seiya Ômega Alternative - Hades Chapter ✧ Synopsis
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The world is something extremely vulnerable.
For a long time now, dark entities have been seeking to dominate everything and everyone that exists on this planet, or even on others. But, whenever evil presents itself, a benevolent force will also emerge to seek peace, no matter how small it may be.
Appear so the Saints of Athena, fighting in the name of their beloved goddess. They aim for reconciliation and to protect the Earth from malevolent forces, each carrying within them an infinite and unique power: the cosmo.
However, even after millennia of battles and spilled blood, this massive war has not ended.
And it will never truly end.
This is the story of a Saint and a Female Saint of Athena, who, after being sent from beyond, bear the burden of fighting in the name of the divinity.
Yet, they have even grander destinies... or with one misstep, they could become ominous. Together, they must face dangers and save each other, from others and themselves as they search for their true essence.
Will they be capable?
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Saint Seiya Ômega Alternative - Hades Chapter already avaliable for read on Wattpad and SpiritFanfics in English, Portuguese, Spanish and French!
Project linktree for access:
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vinora-nyghtshayde · 1 year
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List of anime, a majority of them dubbed, I've watched over the years
1 .Hack//Legend of the Twilight
2 .Hack//Roots
3 .Hack//Sign
4 A centaur's life
5 A lull in the sea
6 A Whisker Away
7 Accel World
8 Ah! My Goddess
9 Akame Ga Kill
10 Amnesia
11 Android Kikaider the animation
12 Angel Sanctuary
13 Angels of Death
14 Armitage III
15 Arrietty
16 Assassination Classroom
17 Attack on Titan
18 Attack on Titan Junior High
19 B: The Beginning
20 Baccano
21 Banner of the stars
22 Basilisk
23 Bastard
24 Battle B-Daman
25 Beastars
26 Betterman
27 Beyblade
28 Beyond the Boundary
29 Big Fish & Begonia
30 Black Blood Brothers
31 Black Butler
32 Black Clover
33 Black Lagoon
34 Bleach
35 Blood Blockade Battlefront
36 Blood+
37 Blue Exorcist
38 Blue Seed
39 BNA: Brand New Animal
40 Boogiepop Phantom
41 Boruto
42 Bungo Stray Dogs
43 Cardcaptor Sakura
44 Carole & Tuesday
45 Case Closed
46 Casshern Sins
47 Castlevania
48 Castle in the Sky
49 Cells at work
50 Ceres, Celestial Legend
51 Charlotte
52 Cheer Boys
53 Chobits
54 Chrono Crusade
55 Code Geass: Lelouch of the rebellion
56 Code Geass: Akito the exiled
57 Code: Realize
58 Code: Breaker
59 Coppelion
60 Cowboy Bebop
61 Crest of the stars
62 Cyborg 009
63 D.Gray-Man
64 D.N.Angel
65 Dance with Devils
66 Deadman Wonderland
67 Death Note
68 Diabolik Lovers
69 Digimon
70 Dr. Stone
71 Dragon Ball Z
72 Dragon Ball GT
73 Dramatical Murder
74 Durarara
75 Erased
76 Ergo Proxy
77 Fooly Cooly
78 Fafner
79 Fairy Tail
80 Fire Force
81 Fist of the North Star
82 Flint the Time Detective
83 Free
84 From the new world
85 From up on Poppy Hill
86 Fruits Basket
87 Fullmetal Alchemist
88 Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
89 Fushigi Yugi
90 Gad Guard
91 Gate Keepers
92 Gate Keepers 21
93 Ghost Hunt
94 Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
95 Ginga Densetsu Weed
96 Ginga: Nagareboshi Gin
97 Gravitation
98 Gungrave
99 Gunslinger Girl
100 Gurren Lagann
101 Haikyu
102 Hakkenden: Eight Dogs of the East
103 Hakuoki
104 Hamtaro
105 Hell Girl
106 Hellsing
107 Hellsing Ultimate
108 Hetalia
109 Hitorijime My Hero
110 Howl's Moving Castle
111 Hyperdimension Neptunia
112 IGPX Immortal Grand Prix
113 Inuyasha
114 Isekai Quartet
115 Izetta: The Last Witch
116 Japan Sinks
117 Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
118 K
119 K-On
120 Kamigami no Asobi
121 Kamisama Kiss
122 Karas
123 Karneval
124 Kekkaishi
125 Kenichi The Mightiest Disciple
126 Kiki's Delivery Service
127 Kill La Kill
128 Kiss him, not me
129 Kiznaiver
130 Knight's & Magic
131 Konosuba
132 Kuroko's Basketball
133 Kyo Kara Maoh
134 Laughing Under the Clouds
135 Last Exile
136 Little Nemo
137 Little Witch Academia
138 Love Stage
139 Lupin III
140 Medabots
141 Megaman
142 Megaman NT Warrior
143 Mekakucity Actors
144 Mirage of Blaze
145 Mirai
146 Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid
147 Mobile Fighter G Gundam
148 Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team
149 Mobile Suit Gundam 00
150 Mobile Suit Gundam Seed
151 Mobile Suit Gundam Seed Destiny
152 Mobile Suit Gundam Wing
153 Monster Rancher
154 Moribito: Guardian of the Spirit
155 My Hero Academia
156 My Neighbor Totoro
157 My Love Story
158 My roommate is a cat
159 Nanbaka
160 Naruto
161 Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
162 Nekopara
163 No. 6
164 Noein To your other self
165 Noragami
166 Noragami Aragoto
167 Oban Star-Racers
168 One Piece
169 One-Punch Man
170 Ouran High School Host Club
171 Outlaw Star
172 Paranoia Agent
173 Peacemaker Kurogane
174 Please Teacher
175 Please Twins
176 Pom Poko
177 Ponyo
178 Porco Rosso
179 Pretear
180 Prince of Stride Alternative
181 Princess Mononoke
182 Prison School
183 Promare
184 RaXephon
185 Re:Zero
186 R.O.D the TV
187 Ronin Warriors
188 Rosario + Vampire
189 Rurouni Kenshin
190 RWBY: Ice Queendom
191 Servamp
192 Sk♾️ The Infinity
193 Sailor Moon R
194 Sailor Moon
195 Saint Seiya
196 Saint Seiya: The Lost Canvas
197 Saiyuki
198 Samurai 7
199 Samurai Champloo
200 Samurai Deeper Kyo
201 Sankarea
202 Say I Love You
203 s-CRY-ed
204 Sensitive Pornograph
205 Seraph of the End: Vampire Reign
206 Serial Experiments Lain
207 Servamp
208 Shaman King
209 Shinzo
210 Shonen Maid
211 Show By Rock
212 Silent Mobius
213 Sirius the Jaeger
214 Snow White with the Red Hair
215 Sorcerous Stabber Orphen
216 Soul Eater
217 Soul Eater Not
218 Spice and Wolf
219 Spirited Away
220 Stars Align
221 Sukisho
222 Sword Art Online
223 Tactics
224 Tales of Zestiria the X
225 Tenchi Muyo
226 Tenjou Tenge
227 The Ancient Magus's Bride
228 The Boy and the Beast
229 The Cat Returns
230 The Devil is a Part-Timer
231 The Morose Mononokean
232 The Prince of Tennis
233 The Promised Neverland
234 The Rising of the Shield Hero
235 The Royal Tutor
236 The Seven Deadly Sins
237 The Vision of Escaflowne
238 The Way of the Househusband
239 The Wind Rises
240 Tiger & Bunny
241 Tokko
242 Tokyo Ghoul
243 Toradora
244 Trigun
245 Trinity Blood
246 Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle
247 Uta No Prince-sama
248 Vampire Hunter D
249 Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust
250 Vandread
251 Violet Evergarden
252 When Marnie Was There
253 Whisper of the Heart
254 Wise Man's Grandchild
255 Witchblade
256 Witch Hunter Robin
257 Wolf Children
258 Wolf's Rain
259 X
260 Yamada & the Seven Witches
261 Yami No Matsuei
262 Yashahime
263 Yona of the Dawn
264 Your Name
265 Your lie in April
266 Yu-Gi-Oh
267 Yu Yu Hakusho
268 Yuri!! On Ice
269 Zatch Bell
270 Zoids
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tokiro07 · 1 year
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Saw the live action Knights of the Zodiac (which I will be differentiating from the Netflix version by referring to it as The Beginning going forth), and while I had fun, it was bad in exactly the ways I expected
Which is to say, pretty much the same way that the source material is
While there was actual fight choreography, which was an immediate plus that almost made me forgive every other bad decision I knew was coming preemptively, the overall story was just as vapid and underdeveloped as every other adaptation of this story so far
I do think that for the sake of conveying the first arc in a two hour film, trimming everyone aside from Seiya, Ikki (Nero), Saori (Sienna), Mitsumasa (Alman) and Marin was the right play; dealing with Shiryu, Hyoga, Shun and whoever else on top of an already decently sized cast would have diluted an already watered down story. The problem, though, is that other characters were either added in (Vander Guraad, just like in the Netflix KotZ) or had a lot of extra attention given to them (Cassios, again just like in KotZ, and weirdly Tatsumi/Mylock, who was kind of the best character when he had no right to be), and in both cases used up screentime that should have been reserved for Seiya, Saori or Ikki
If they were going to put so much focus on Guraad, who this time is a woman despite being literally the same character as in KotZ, then I think it would have been prudent to use her as a device for developing Saori more. We’re told that when Saori was a baby, she was being cradled in Guraad’s arms and then randomly unleashed such a concentrated blast of Cosmo that it destroyed Guraad’s arms and necessitated Cosmo-life support to keep her alive. While I have no idea why such a thing was necessary even in context, it would have helped a lot to actually see this event happen, and see it early in the film. Seeing the transition from motherly figure to would-be executioner would have made for a much more compelling plot than seeing an evil businesswoman pursuing a young girl for nebulous reasons and only finding out later that the girl is her daughter who we’re told near mortally wounded her one time
It also would have built up Saori’s fears of losing herself to Athena much more effectively. When we’re formally introduced to Saori, Mitsumasa basically says “oh, by the way, Seiya, let me introduce you to my daughter, the reincarnation of Athena” and she’s just like “hi, I’m Athena or whatever” then flops down in a chair in the background as if she’s actively trying to leave the frame but knows she isn’t allowed to. It’s only in the next scene when she has a random Goddess Attack that Seiya even believes conceptually that magic is real, and then all at once accepts that Saori is Athena and that he’s a Saint, though he mopes about that for a little bit because he doesn’t like being tied down by destiny or whatever
Saori and Athena are usually pretty indistinguishable in most Saint Seiya media, unlike Julian or Shun who get outright possessed by Poseidon and Hades respectively, so seeing Saori worry about the possibility of having her personality subsumed by Athena is a pretty interesting angle. Even ignoring the possibility that she would be a threat to the world, which is kind of an odd decision for the writers to make anyway in my opinion but I’ll get to that later, analyzing that anxiety would do wonders for Saori as a character, as she usually comes off pretty flat. Seiya also tells her that she has the right to choose between being a goddess and a petty jerk in the climax of the film as she is losing herself to Athena, but the thing about that is that she’d never been a petty jerk to Seiya earlier in the movie. She was aloof in the very beginning, then tried to relate to Seiya and comfort him about destiny not being set in stone, packed him a lunch (that he lost before he got to eat it, which I think is devastating for whatever relationship the writers were going for) and then got kidnapped when he couldn’t use the Pegasus Cloth properly. That’s literally every interaction they had, and he never called her a petty jerk or made any value judgments on her whatsoever, at least not to my recollection. Seeing more of who Saori normally is and what she had to lose, and what she did lose because of her divine powers, would have done wonders for both her and the film, but alas the plot is more important than the people in it
Similarly, Seiya has very little personality, as usual, and even manages to have less than KotZ which at least showed him picking up litter after he misses a trash can to show that he’s carefree, but responsible and respectful. Here, he’s...determined, as shown by the fact that he never gives up during a fight, and he’s...skeptical of mysticism and fate. That’s...pretty much it. There is a little bit of overlap there I suppose when the only thing he gives up on in the film is breaking the rock during Marin’s training, thinking that it’s impossible, but honestly it came off as inconsistent with his usual blind determination than being a nuance in his two major character traits. I think I would have liked to see more casual interactions between Seiya and anyone else in the cast, whether it be with Seika/Patricia in the flashbacks or Saori or Marin in the present so that we can see again what kind of person he was vs. what kind of person he became, what he lost when Seika was taken and what he retained. They even try to play that angle too, with Marin asking Seiya who he’s trying to save and his vision cycling from Seika to Saori to ultimately his younger self cowering in the closet. The innocence of his youth or the powerlessness he felt as he watched Seika be ripped from him is potentially a strong motivator for him, but because we know effectively nothing about who he is as a person, we don’t feel the weight of the realization that he still feels like he’s that helpless kid, or how that motivates him to save Saori after he had been so badly beaten and even allowed Mitsumasa to die
Speaking of Mitsumasa, he had one scene where he comforted Saori after a nightmare vision of Athena killing Seiya, but that was the only real fatherly moment we got to see from him. The rest was just exposition, all tell and no show. We learn that he abducted countless children to feed their Cosmo to Guraad to keep her alive, which I guess is meant to be in place of him gathering orphans to become Saints, but again we don’t really feel a sense of betrayal or anything because he wasn’t established as being all that great of a guy in the first place. We didn’t have much reason to think he was bad or anything, aside from association with Guraad, but he went from neutral to dubious rather than endearing to nuanced. His argument with Guraad about how they should believe in their daughter was one thing, but again without seeing the threat she poses that made Guraad turn against the family, we don’t have a strong sense of what Mitsumasa is having his faith tested against. And then he kills himself pointlessly, failing to take out literally any of the opposition that hadn’t already been beaten by Iron Chef Tatsumi (who again, is usually supposed to be completely ineffectual, so while I had fun seeing him get to be cool for once, he really had no business being in the first place)
As I said earlier, Guraad also didn’t really feel like a mother to Saori, she just felt like a bad guy who had heard of her, whereas the Guraad of KotZ at least talked to her and Mitsumasa in a way that gave me the sense that they were at one point a family and that he regretted that their lives had come to this. Somehow Guraad is a much more believable gay man than straight woman, which I think is particularly funny since KotZ only hinted at Mitsumasa and Guraad having such a relationship whereas in this version he explicitly refers to her as his ex-wife. Again, seeing their happy life prior to the tragedy, the choices that they made and regretted afterwards, and their separation when compromise was no longer an option would have made their dynamic and Guraad’s presence as the villain (and ultimate decision to give up her plans because of her lingering affection for her daughter) much more believable and resonant as a story
Ikki, of course, also fails to resonate at all because we’re somehow told even less about him than anyone else. He uses the Phantom Demon Fist all of once, not even on Seiya, which would have been a good opportunity for analyzing his anxieties or even been a good way to reveal that Mitsumasa was involved in Seika’s disappearance, and we never learn his motivations for wanting the Sagittarius Cloth or killing Athena. He seems to believe that Athena is a threat to the world, but honestly the idea that Ikki is trying to save the world through unscrupulous means is extremely counter to the Ikki from any other iteration. Ikki is motivated by two things: vengeance and protecting those he cares about, and the interplay between those two ideas is probably the most interesting thing about early Saint Seiya (trying to get revenge on Mitsumasa by killing all of Mitsumasa’s children, including his own beloved brother Shun, who he believes he’s mercy killing because of their tainted blood at Mitsumasa’s hands). Without either of those motivations being clearly established here, he’s clearly trying to be a nuanced villain with noble goals, but he just comes off as a random mook who happens to be stronger than anyone else present. If we had either taken out Guraad’s failed parental storyline or Cassios’ desire for revenge against Seiya (for...leaving the ring during a fight?), then time could have been dedicated to developing Ikki’s personality and motivations, but instead we learn nothing of relevance about him aside from the fact that he is the Phoenix Saint
We also learn nothing helpful about the Saints, where the Cloths come from, what they do, how Sanctuary works, we just kind of vaguely learn about their existence and Cosmo, which is a personal point of umbrage for me. While the visual of Seiya and Ikki’s Cosmo spirits wearing the Cloths was really cool, the Cloths themselves clearly aren’t meant to be rearrangeable into statues, robbing them of a lot of their identity. The Phoenix Cloths feather trails were prehensile and able to shoot the feathers as projectiles, that was pretty inventive, but it only comes up when Ikki is attacking Guraad, not even during battle with Seiya, so it was also just kind of a waste. I wanted to see an interesting take on the Cloths and Cosmo or have the Saint Seiya world clearly established to show newcomers what’s cool about the franchise, but despite those things being my favorite part, they were sadly little more than footnotes and MacGuffins. I do think it was interesting that the Pegasus Cloth had two levels to it, covering just his chest and arm at first and then covering his full body, but man that was a drastic jump between two scenes without establishing that there was a way to...I don’t know, use the armor better?
I see why this movie isn’t performing super great, at least not stateside, but I can’t help but feel that part of it is because IT’S NOT PLAYING IN MOST THEATRES!!! AND THE ONES IT IS PLAYING AT IT ONLY HAS LIKE ONE SHOWING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GOD DAMN DAY PER DAY!!! I had to drive half an hour to a theater at the tail end of the hours of operation because that was the only time I would be able to make and use my AMC account rather than paying 30 bucks for me and my wife at the ritzy local theatre, and honestly I’m glad we did it that way cus if I actually paid for the tickets I’d probably be even harsher
To sum up, the action was fun, and some of the visuals were surprisingly inventive, but like every other adaptation, The Beginning fails to capitalize on the original work’s potential and instead acts as if the premise alone can carry it without actually putting in the work to properly develop the characters or setting. I wasn’t bored, which is a win, I’m just disappointed that I got what I was expecting: the original but worse (again)
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