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debtsunpaid · 4 months

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quick chatter about jallakuntilliokan's role in canon + what i'm integrating into my portrayal, bc my hellblazer pre-order still isn't here yet and i'm going berserk re-reading the comics to pass the time:

jallakuntilliokan is one half of a twin god called "the god of all gods" and described as "the dragon", described in the comics as the masculine principle animus to the feminine principle anima; essentially, the earth as a god. as described by zed: "the god of all gods is the earth, on whom we live. the earth is a living body. the power of life flows through it — male and female. god is the harmonic force." this is, of course, a very binary explanation in terms of gender and i will probably be recategorizing & tweaking this as i develop jalla & klavi, since nature can require symbiosis in other ways than gender-stereotypical principles. potentially jalla represents the oft-destructive refinement of natural processes/animal consciousness while its counterpart represents the maintaining & sustaining of pre-existing systems?? processes of decay VS new growth??? i'm working on it.

as described by constantine: "the god that we're dealing with is an archetype of human consciousness. it's a response to an emotional stimulus — a memory of a time when our brains worked differently — a time when gods were real because we lived more on the creative right side of our brains than in the "rational" universe of the left." this is why i've decided that jalla is also tied to the Dreaming, since it's linked to creativity + consciousness.

jallakuntilliokan draws its power from two primary sources: ley lines and the human consciousness, including dreams, nightmares, and the imagination. a partial way to hurt/diminish jallakuntilliokan's powers is by disrupting the ley system, cutting it off from its power source. in the comics, they did this by "earthing" ley energy, driving copper stakes into ancient stone-circles.

constantine described the process of its summoning as "they're using blood and sacrifice and terror to feed the male principle and raise it in the universal mind — using the breaking of taboo to realize a force of primal creation." the magus at geotroniks was letting a terror-thing created by traumatized psychics run rampant through the system of ley lines across the earth to revive jallakuntilliokan's energy. this is why the version of jalla i'm writing is tied so tightly to fear: it's been revived on, fed on, and saturated with human terror.

#ooc tbt.#JALLAKUNTILLIOKAN HC. ( we have no tongue. we have no choice. )#next i've gotta figure out what the god hierarchy looks like with the inclusion of judeo-christian heaven & hell because OH BOY.#i figure angels & demons might consider jalla as something closer to a tulpa in the grand scheme of things??#created by the collective beliefs and instincts of humanity???#the theistic system man i am FASCINATED. and ALWAYS CONFUSED

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the-commonplace-book · 8 months

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"Judeo-Christian" "Abrahamic religions"

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these are terms that are not used by the actual members of the religious communities you're referencing

#theology #judaism #christianity #islam #christianity was born out of judaism but modern christianity and modern judiasm are not even remotely the same cultural thing #and also both have a wide variety of branches with a wide variety of beliefs #(yes that includes american evangelical christians needing to stop using the term judeo-christian i know they use it too and need to stop)#(especially since members of the jewish community nearly consistently ask people to stop using it)#abrahamic religions is a term that drives me up a fucking wall every time i hear it #christianity is not islam is not judaism #just because multiple religions are monotheistic (or semi-monotheistic) and originated in the same part of the world #giving them some shared *cultural* influences and a few shared myths #does not mean they should be neatly grouped together in academic discussion with broad generalizations #except in specific context in which you are discussing those few shared elements #there are far more differences than similarities #like hey the way this term is used so often is insulting to literally all three of these religions #and is a term that isn't used by any of them #and i hear this term used most commonly by people who aren't religious at all #and y'all need to stop #anyway thanks for bearing with this little rant :)

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wathanism · 10 months

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it's so funny how every time i see a post abt spirituality or religion that i agree with, there's always 17 jewish folk in the notes like "posts that are extremely jewish," and i love that. no i don't know a thing abt judaism but y'all seem to be vibing so much harder than i ever did when i was muslim and i respect that

#rambles #its so weird how ppl always use the term 'judeo-christian' when like #idk from my EXTREMELY LIMITED LAYMAN PERSPECTOVE it sounds like judaism has VERY little to do with christianity #at least vis a vis the philosophies of modern judaism vs modern christianity #whereas every single thing abt christian philosophy has an almost 1:1 parallel to islam #and i must specify that this is an extremely limited layman perspective bc i truly have MINIMAL exposure to judaism #im operating on vague things ive heard from ppl online over the years and 0 lived experience or formal education on the matter #so don't take me too seriously and if im entirely wrong be nice abt telling me your perspective 💀

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cruelsister-moved2 · 11 months

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i hate this post wheneveri see it sorry lol i can smell the supersessionism. ‘there’s an old jewish story’ yep because judaism is just a quirky abstract reminiscence to help u fix the brokenness of ur own religion and not like a completely different religion with its own theology and philosophy unrelated to urs. there are no people it belongs to or thinkers it produces there is simply an ‘old story’ which you can now insert ur own very specific cultural understandings and theological baggage onto without wondering what the person who said that actually meant by it and if theywould enjoy u using it 2 talk about the guy who invented antisemitism n was forced down their throats for the next 2000 years

#i dont even know which 'old jewish story' its referring to because #thats like a super common mystical idea #if anything it sounds like more at home in islamic mysticism but i guess #something something 'judeo christian' [starts coughing up blood]#im aware imbeing a hater its not that deep btu i feel like that was a final straw for me today #if nothing else in the world i want christians to know that when anyone from literally any other religion uses this word they are not #referring to the same thing you are. call it a semantic coincidence #i increasingly avoid using the word because its like it confuses more than it explains #its better that you approach other religions with a complete blank slate and assume ur learning abt different deities altogether than to #think u have any understanding of what another religious person means when they talk about their god/s #its like when a word meaning something as vague as to do wrong or to disobey etc #gets translated as sin and its like. sin connotes an inherently christian concept that no other religion shares #comparative religion stop ittttt fr just stop #im still laughing from when i was watching this video n it was like. comparative religion dramatic reenactment #andthen it was just the guy trying to shove a square block into a round hole like in one of those childrens toys..#anywya theres more context to this but its not really relevant when this is how its being shared n expressed whatever blows up

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opens-up-4-nobody · 1 year

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#everything needs to stop being so interesting. like bro i wanna focus on one thing at a time #but not its like everything constantly so im like trying to hype myself up to do photosynthesis stuff bc #its interesting and will b useful before i start my phd #but my brain is like: no. u want to draw and learn about the history of religion in the near east #someday someone will approach me wanting to convert me to their religion and they will not be prepared for my readiness to #jump into theological discussion. like if my dad dragged me to church now id probably go harass the pastor afterwards and b very critical #abt their presentation lmao. religion is just super interesting from an academic perspective #it is a bit weird tho bc now when i see ppl getting weird and gate keepy abt obscure religious stuff im like bro wtf #thats probably an aspect taken from other traditions of the time before the judeo christian god was consolidated as an idea #like theres so much lore and interpretation wtf r u talking abt? and then im like oh wait. i somehow forgot this is a religion and ppl #believe these stories as the word of god. which makes it even more interesting bc it makes academic discussion contentions #sigh. whatever. also shout out to the time i got into the truck for sampling. turned to my lab mate and went: hey i went in deep on the #jesus lore so im gonna rant at u for like an hour about unpacking jesus the man thr myth thr legend lmao #to b fair it was kinda his fault i started on this path bc hes like weird and judgmental abt ppl believing in religion and i was like hm i #dont like that. religion is interesting. i will not learn more bc u have annoyed me. bc that's how my brain works and here we r #last year evolution was my big thing and this year its near eastern religion lmao #unrelated #*i will lean more. not i will not learn more

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deadtower · 9 months

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hey, can i ask in which context you're using the term "judeo-muslim"? cause islam quite literally started off as a branch of christianity and only became its own religion 6 centuries after christianity was created, so while it also takes from judaism (+previously existing local faiths and customs) like christianity does im not sure if it would be historically correct to group them up like that..unless you mean things that developed in the middle eastern region after those religions were already established

that's totally understandable! i'm used to using judeo-muslim as a term rather than judeo-christian due to the incorrect assumption that judaism is just Christianity With Some More History In It (it always makes me roll my eyes to hear someone say "judeo-christian" because we are SO different from each other, lol) but i probably should not use it as a default. i definitely admit i didn't go back and double-check islam's history, just went off of what i'd been saying already (re: judeo-islam), so i really appreciate you sending this ask! apologies for my ignorance ^^;

#Anonymous #because i've been using judeo-muslim instead of judeo-christian #i kind of made an assumption that that was true all the time #that judaism and islam were closer than judaism and christianity #and in my head i guess kind of paired them together in more ways than they actually are #i have two interviews today BUT i'm gonna come home after and brush up on my islam knowledge!!#thanks once again and i'll make sure not to use that by default anymore :p #and you're correct in thinking that i meant things that developed in the middle eastern region but #my timing was off. i do think that i thought islam was established earlier #and didn't consider islam's connection to christianity #SO. basically yeah you're completely right and i'll make sure to study up ghjdfha

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thekillersareeatingtheflesh · 1 year

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why are there antisemitic microaggressions in this episode of hannibal.

#i could excuse the ''judeo-christian'' line until he went ahead and spelled out ''g-d'' out loud #like there is no christian in the world that spells god with a dash in the middle. thats only a jewish thing #like. yikes and also what the fuck!#shut up spencer

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jewishvitya · 1 month

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Someone made a point about the term Judeo-Christian (it's always either trying to rope Judaism into Christian nonsense, or trying to exclude Islam because islamophobia) and there was a response insisting that Islam is just extremely different in beliefs. Then they said that Judaism is basically Christianity minus the New Testament, which is. Pretty antisemitic. Judaism is full and complete by itself. And they didn't answer when I asked what are beliefs or values that Christianity and Judaism share, that Islam doesn't. Things that would justify grouping us and excluding them. Never responded to me again.

And this is how these conversations usually go in my experience.

#riki babbles

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date-a-jew-suggestions · 2 years

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One thing gentiles need to understand about antisemitism is how ubiquitous it is. Whenever you see conservatives alluding to a mysterious group controlling everything from the shadows, there’s a decent chance they mean Jews. Especially public figures. When tucker carlson talks about the nefarious liberal elite, a decent chunk of his audience hears that as “Jews.” The fact that Christians get vacation days for their major holidays but Jews and other religious minorities do not. Whenever god is mentioned in politics or patriotic rants, that is the Christian god, and any other interpretation will be met with hostility. “Judeo-christian values” is something they say just to sound less overtly like Christian nationalists. So many celebrities behind huge cultural impacts are violently antisemitic. Antisemitism is everywhere and usually only noticed by Jews.

#antisemitism tw #antisemitism #christian hegemony

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neil-gaiman · 3 months

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There's really only one question I'd like to ask in relation to Good Omens, and it's this. How come the only time we've ever seen Jesus is at his Crucifixion? You'd think he'd be, like, around Heaven at some point, or at least mentioned more than that one time. Especially when the whole point of the Apocalypse in Judeo-Christian iconography is it's supposed to involve Jesus arriving at the end after all this other stuff happens to bring about paradise on Earth, but he always seems left out of things entirely...why is that? Is it fear that you might get letters from pissed-off fundamentalists that you're portraying him wrong or something, or a worry that you couldn't do justice in portraying him when he's not already dead, something like that?

Because he wasn't in the story yet.

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gatheringbones · 6 months

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[“When I first came out as a lesbian in 1971, identity politics were so pervasive that this modality didn’t even have a name; it was simply the sea in which every queer sank or swam. One of the key assumptions of identity politics is that we can reveal in one grand social drama of coming out the absolute inner core of truth that makes up one’s “real self.” Coming out is seen as a process like peeling away the layers of an onion or the petals of an artichoke. Identity politics also assumes that your political allies will have to be people who share your identity because nobody else could understand your oppression or really be committed to fighting it; that people who share some aspects of your sexuality but not others are either afraid to come out or traitors to the cause; that it’s not possible for someone to change the way they label themselves without being dishonest or cowardly.

Now I see queer politics quite differently. I know from personal experience that I can’t trust somebody just because their sexual preferences or their gender identity resembles my own. I know we can make allies who are indignant about injustice even if it does not impinge directly upon their own lives. I see coming out as a lifelong process that proceeds as I become ready to understand and accept aspects of myself which bear lessons I need to learn at different points in my life. Each new coming out does not recreate me as a whole new person; I think some people view it this way, but this is crazy-making and too compartmentalized for me. It’s more like being able to see each and every spoke of the wheel that makes up my being, or like opening up and furnishing another new room of my soul.

I wonder what coming out would be like if we were not forced into these defensive positions of tribal loyalty and us-them thinking. What if we could say to a friend who was embarking on a new coming out, “I love you, and so I must also love this new aspect of yourself. Because I care about you I want to know more about it. Let’s both learn from this.” Instead, what usually happens is a great deal of indignation, betrayal, and rejection. I think this is because a person who is coming out threatens the identities of former acquaintances, partners, and coworkers. If someone else’s identity can be fluid or change radically, it threatens the boundaries around our own sense of self. And if someone can flout group norms enough to apply for membership in another group, we often feel so devalued that we hurry to excommunicate that person. This speaks to our own discomfort with the group rules. The message is: I have put up with this crap for the sake of group membership, and if you won’t continue to do the same thing, you have to be punished.

We seem to have forgotten that the coming-out process is brought into being by stigma. Without sexual oppression, coming out would be an entirely different process. In its present form, coming out is reactive. While it is brave and good to say “No” to the Judeo-Christian “Thou Shalt Nots,” we have allowed our imaginations to be drawn and quartered by puritans. I believe that most of the divisions between human sexual preferences and gender identities are artificial. We will never know how diverse or complex our needs in these realms might be until we are free of the threat of the thrown rock, prison cell, lost job, name-calling, shunning, and forced psychiatric “treatment.”

I do not think human beings were meant to live in hostile, fragmented enemy camps, forever divided by suspicion and prejudice. If coming out has not taught us enough compassion to see past these divisions, and at least catch a vague glimpse of a more unified world, what is the use of coming out at all? I have told this story, not to say that anybody else should follow me or imitate me, but to encourage everyone to keep an open mind and an open heart when change occurs. The person who needs tolerance and compassion during a major transformation may be your best friend, your lover, or your very self. Bright blessings to you on the difficult and amazing path of life.”]

patrick califa, from layers of the onion, spokes of the wheel, from a woman like that: lesbian and bisexual writers tell their coming out stories, 2000

#pat califa #bi literature #lesbian literature #trans literature #history stuff

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adrestianflames · 2 years

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A quick PSA on the Roe repeal and antisemitism:

Religion did not take away the right to vote to abortion in the US. Christofascist evangelism did. Judeo-Christian values did not lead to this decision, because Judeo-Christian values do not exist.

Judaism does restrict the right to abortion. Fetuses are not considered to have souls or personhood. Banning abortions is considered to be an infringement on Jewish liberties, and Jewish congregations are already filing suits to legally protect our religious freedom and right to abortion. [1] [2] [3]

You will see the Right suggest that America is a "Judeo-Christian" nation, and that this decision by the Supreme Court is in line with "Judeo-Christian" values. They did this with Uvalde, and they're doing it with Texas' succession. In response, you will see anti-religious and likely culturally Christian atheists blame the wrong targets. Leftists will rally against all religion. They will rally against Jews. Some of them have been aching to-- anti-Israeli sentiments breed antisemitism like wildfire, even among anti-fascist, pro-minority communities. [1] [2] [3]

On the other side, the same Christofascist Right that claims to support Judeo-Christianity is using this incident to revisit blood libel, the conspiracy that Jewish people kidnap babies to eat and use for blood sacrifices. We have already seen this used by Christian nationalists against Jewish women who support abortion. [1] [2]

Obviously, focusing on protecting people with uteruses in red states is the first priority right now. There are a dozen other top priorities surrounding abortion right now. But please remember that Jewish people are about to get stuck in a very uncomfortable middle ground. Jewish people will face hatred from the Right because they think we eat babies. Jewish people will face hatred from the Left because they think we're responsible for the religious ideals that led to the repeal. Neither of these things are true.

Please remember to practice intersectionality in your activism. Reblog this post. Educate others who fall into the pitfalls of anti-religious hate. Speak up to protect and defend Jewish people in your community. None of this will distract from pro-choice advocacy.

#roe versus wade #politics #activism #antisemitism #judaism #roe v wade #abortion

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greenthena · 5 months

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Metatron's Tie

**Update: check the reblogs. There's a clear picture that shows the tie pattern as flowers. So, there goes my theory. Whomp whomp. Easy come, easy go, as Freddie says. @archangelween @drconstellation

People, I have been trying to get a good look at the Metatron's ding dang neck tie since September to determine what those little blue symbols are. Because, like everything in the Good Omens universe, I believe it's been put there for a reason. I also believe that God has no idea what she's doing, which is why she hired Neil Gaiman to run things for a few decades.

Despite being a so-called agent of Heaven, the Metatron's costume is coded as demonic, from his dark topcoat to the black stripes on his white shirt. The item I find most fascinating, however, is his tie. And this is probably in large part because I've had so much difficulty seeing the subtle blue pattern upon it and that has made my brain itch and made me hyperfixate. As one does.

I think I may have figured out the design, and it complicates all my Metatron theories, but here we go. The Metatron's tie is black, featuring a repeated small bright blue symbol throughout. I've guessed it could be a star or a planet. A cryptic sigil or maybe something to do with the coffee (I'm not a coffee-theory person, though, for the record.) I don't know what it is (well, maybe I do now, and I promise we'll get there in time...I'm a demon of my word), but I do know that it's important.

All the angels have references to their angelic status concealed within their costumes.

Michael is the watcher. She is the one who, in Saturday Morning Funtime, delivers surveillance photos to Gabriel. To reflect this, Michael wears a gold ring featuring several small pearls that symbolize eyes. She is ever-vigilant (hyper-vigilant, ya might say), and even has a contact in Hell (Dagon) to broaden her scope of observation. The placement of the ring in the pinky is also significant. A good watcher mustn't themselves be observed, so Michael, in her role as observer must slip under the radar. This corresponds to the pinky finger being small and quite literally underhanded, as in at the bottom of the hand.

Uriel's ring is a silver star, worn on her/their index finger, the digit associated with authority. (We call it the index finger because we use it to sort and catalog, creating meaning and order.) Uriel certainly commands authority, both in their overall calm and assured demeanor, and also in their actions. It is she who physically confronts Aziraphale prior to the S1 No-pocalypse, easily inspiring fear in the Principality. As for the symbol of the star, I believe it is a reference to modern Angelography (I might have made up that word, but I think you know what I'm talking about) which usually describes Uriel as a sun, star, or the flame of the Almighty.

Sandalphon's symbology is two-fold: a thick gold pinky ring featuring a pair of circles (kind of looks like a lego brick, to be perfectly fair) and that small gold grill he wears on his front teeth. Both these items are the most elaborate pieces of angelic adornment that we see. Sandalphon's overall aesthetic is much warmer than the other angels', leaning toward caramel and tan rather than dove gray. He's a bit of an odd ball in the host of Archangels and stands out based on his wardrobe choices alone. He's also the only Archangel not to return in S2. I don't want to make too much of this, because there are many in-universe reasons why we may not see Sandalphon again. However, in Judeo-Christian scripture, Sandalphon is closely joined with...wait for it...the Metatron, with apocryphal texts describing him as Enoch's (the Metatron's pre-angelic human name) twin brother. I take this with a hefty spoon of salt, though, since Neil definitely plays loosey-goosey with these dogmas and even the scriptures themselves are a veritable soup of contradiction. (The Bible is not a static or universally canonical text, and Hebrew scriptures, outside the Tanakh are a web of activity and debate as to what is accurate. I'm not here for the arguments today; this is not my Bat Mitzvah.)

Finally, we have Gabriel, the only Archangel who doesn't wear a ring. He does, however, wear a watch. I have two thoughts about the watch. First, clocks are thematically relevant in the Good Omens universe. From the grandfather clock in the bookshop to Crowley's elaborate wristwatch (which he has in both show and book) to the opening sequence of S1, which has far too many clock faces to count. So there's that. But holding time in one's hand (or on one's wrist) is a powerful metaphor that illustrates control and higher power. To possess a clock is to command time and space which are essentially inseparable. As the Supreme Archangel, Gabriel is nearly the top-ranking being in the universe (for a time, at least...see what I did there? pathetic laughter) and his wristwatch demonstrates this point.

If you're still with me, you're doing great. Good job.

We've got to see how important the Archangels' symbology is to their characters, I think, to really understand why the sigils on the Metatron's tie matter. So, finally to the point. Dolphins. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

To move forward, we'll need to call upon my old friend, the Tarot deck. Cards, in general, and Tarot, in particular, play a marked role in the GO universe. The Almighty Herself addresses the viewer in the opening lines of the show, "God does not play dice with the universe; I play an ineffable game of my own devising. For everyone else, it's like playing poker in a pitch-dark room, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time." As God speaks, cards appear on screen, and some of those are from the Rider Waite Tarot deck. One specific card that caught my eye in this montage is "Judgement."

This card features an angel blasting a trumpet and waking the dead from their graves on the Day of Judgement. The angel on the card is not named, as such. It's usually assumed to be Raphael, as he is the angel who is prophesied to call and raise all souls on this day. However, I've found other references naming the angel as either Gabriel or the Metatron. Now, I don't want to get overly carried away here, but in the context of Good Omens, reading the Judgement card with the Metatron as the angel pictured may actually make a lot of sense, and clarify the sigils on the Metabutt's tie. The Metatron postures himself as the Voice of God--the Mouthpiece of the Almighty. Kinda like a trumpet, yes?

Now look at the flag on the angel's trumpet. That's called St. George's Cross and it's a very prevalent European Christian symbol dating back to the Middle Ages. Like many images in the Tarot, it's a heraldic emblem that has meaning outside the deck, often associated with bravery and military might. It continues to be used in military iconography into the present day. The Judgement that the angel heralds is not peaceful. It's a call to war. The righteous will be gathered to Heaven and the wicked will be destroyed--a repeat of the first Great War in which Satan and the demons were cast into Hell. In the narrative of Good Omens, this war will bring about the end of time, the end of the world, and the beginning of eternity (hope ya'll like The Sound of Music.)

Kids (human and goat, alike) I think those little blue sigils on the Metatron's tie are Saint George's Cross. (I'm so sorry this is so small and hard to see. Now you know my pain.)

In the Final Fifteen, the Metatron speaks briefly about the Second Coming, which is a reference to Saint John of Patmos' prophecies--you might know them as the Book of Revelation. Some Christians interpret Revelation as an upcoming final judgement for humanity. And it seems, based on in-universe exposition, certain characters view these prophecies in a similar light. In the reverse body-swap at the end of S1, Crowley suggests that the averted Apocalypse was not the end of the conflict. "If you ask me," he says, "Both sides are gonna' use this as breathing space before the Big One. [...] For my money, the really Big One is all of us against all of them." And with the Metatron acting as the Mouthpiece of God, that "Big One," that Day of Judgement, if you will, may well be nigh.

I think the Metatron sees himself as the angel who rings out the Final Judgement. He is the Voice of God, after all. But here is a worrying thought. How little he would need to shift perspective to view himself as the Word of God, as well. The Gospel of John opens, "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The Same was in the beginning with God." The Word of God is an epithet for Jesus. The same Jesus whose Second Coming the angel of judgement is meant to announce. So what if the Metatron just plans to consolidate these roles for himself: the heralding angel and the Second Coming rolled into one. He would become Judgement Incarnate, supplanting the Almighty once and for all. And for my money, that sounds just like what a demon would like to do.

***I'm updating because several readers have pointed out that it seems like I'm saying Metatron=Demon because Demon=Bad. Thank you for bringing this to my attention--it makes me a better communicator. I can see where it's coming from. It's not my intention. Consider this meta sort of an extension of my "Metatron is the Murder Hornet" meta, which I'll link with the tags if you're interested.

Just wanted to clarify that I think at its heart, Good Omens is thematically about rejecting the dichotomy of good and evil and embracing the messy gray space that is reality.

When I call Metaboob a demon, it's not because I think demons are evil, it's because I think he's the hornet in the beehive and we've seen that demons need an angelic escort (Crowley and Muriel) to access Heaven.

TL;DR Angels are not the good guys. Demons are not the bad guys. Good Omens is NOT about that at all.

#good omens #the metatron #metatron #good omens 2 #go metas #tarot #archangels #archangel fucking gabriel #archangel gabriel #archangel uriel #archangel michael #archangel sandalphon #good omens costumes #go costumes #youtube #metatron is a demon

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