how would you describe arrowfamily in canon? Cause i have seen conflicting things ranging from "Oliver Queen is a terrible horrible person" to "canon arrowfamily is what people think batfam should be like/if you want fanon batfam you want canon arrowfam" and it is confusing
Disclaimer first. A full, proper, arrowfam read-through is next on my list once I finally catch up with the bats, but I haven't gotten there yet. I have still read a whole bunch of comics, and by virtue of how the DC universe works, I've seen a fair bit of the arrows scattered throughout. (In particular, I've read a lot of Roy via Titans and Outsiders.)
So I can give a broad strokes answer here, but I'm not going to try to claim a deep meta analysis of the arrows yet.
I think the quickest way to explain the contradictory information is this:
batfam fans take up most of the space in DC fandom
for whatever reason, it has become highly popular bat fanon to use Oliver Queen as a scapegoat Designated Terrible Dad to show how much better and cooler and nicer Bruce is.
This is not a fair or accurate depiction of Ollie.
(Nor, for that matter, an accurate depiction of Bruce, but that fanon diversion is intentional and less like throwing shrapnel at a guy who isn't even part of this.)
People who actually read comics and like Ollie therefore try to push back on this extreme and ooc demonization of him, and also vaunt the arrows in general.
Said pushback is sometimes an exaggerated overcompensation.
Basically, no, Oliver Queen is not a terrible horrible person, nor even a terrible horrible father.
And I would say the canon arrows are a lot closer to what fans are desperately trying to find (or just make up) in the bats. There are various things that are true of the canon arrows/Ollie and of the fanon bats/Bruce that are not true of the canon bats/Bruce. [All post-crisis disclaimer.] Examples:
Ollie is outspokenly liberal and this is a well accepted piece of his canon characterization. (Meanwhile DC writers try very very hard to make Bruce Totally Apolitical and therefore acceptable to all readers. Not that anything is ever actually apolitical.)
Ollie also hates cops! And rich people! For a significant chunk of comics, he lost his fortune and was better off for it, realizing he could never be truly good if he were still a billionaire.
The common fan argument about how Bruce totally isn't abusive; he's a good dad who's just been written that way once or twice by bad writers is...actually not that far off from describing Ollie? He hit Roy once in a comic about How Not To Respond To Addiction; in another comic he was revealed to have secretly known about and abandoned Conner, despite this not lining up with previous comics showing how he really wanted to be a dad. Both of these things are canon and bad, no doubt! But he is also usually a lot better, and has shown an ability to grow and change. (Meanwhile canon Bruce just has a consistent pattern of abuse.)
Subjective, but Ollie seems to really think of himself as a father and delight in it in a way that Bruce just kinda...doesn't.
All the arrows, from what I can tell, actually like each other.
They don't try to murder each other either.
But, as you surely notice, being closer to batfanon desires doesn't mean the arrows literally are the fanon batfam. Like the bats, they are not a perfect model nuclear family (nor should they be!). They too have had conflict and dysfunction (Roy and Oliver stopped talking for a significant period of time!). And they do indeed exist in a comic book world driven by crime and superheroics and conflict, not a fluffy fanfiction world driven by comfort and interpersonal reassurances. (This is not a dunk on fanfic, which I love, just a reminder).
so tl;dr, the arrows aren't a perfectly fluffy fanon family either...but if you see a batfam fan throwing Ollie/other arrows under the bus to make their fave look better, that is definitely bullshit.
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You ever think about Donna coming back to life right smack dab in the middle of a crisis event and her best friend in the biggest personal crisis of his life (and nearly dying in the crisis) and her team/family in the titans split into two with the team holding onto the old namesake hardly having any of the same members as when she died. Like when she died not everything was good, her friends still had their challenges and issues, but I can't help but think that she'd see all the turmoil and fallout after her death and end up blaming herself (even though, clearly dying isn't her fault). Feeling like everything rides upon her being okay and maintaining that perfect facade. Anyways-
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Prompt: Bad luck
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The ice cracked beneath Kouji. He screamed. Icy water wrapped around him, cut through his limbs and rushed into his lungs. He closed his mouth, curled up. Tried to spot the hole, but everything was dark under the ice. He couldn’t tell what was up and down.
Kouji’s lungs were burning. He needed oxygen. He opened his mouth again, coughed. Air left him, bubbles floating to the surface. Water replaced it, ran down his throat. The cold water was freezing, it felt like his lungs were on fire. He kicked, tried to move through the water, follow the bubbles to the surface, but his body felt heavy. Slow.
It was getting hard to keep his eyes open.
Another splash cut through the quiet of the water. Arms wrapped around Kouji’s chest, pulled at him. He tried to break free, but couldn’t move, his body too tired. Something kicked against his leg and he tried to kick as well, tried to help get them through the water. His legs hung limp.
They broke though the surface. Kouji tried to pull air into his lungs, coughed to get the water out. He couldn’t, his coughs too weak.
”I’ve got him!” Tomoki’s voice called. ”Rope!”
Ice cracked, Tomoki’s grip around Kouji’s chest got tighter. Kouji wanted to say something, but his brain was just as still as the rest of his body. He closed his eyes.
The ice was cold beneath him. His wet clothes got stuck to it. Someone put him on his side and he could finally cough up the water. Air replaced it.
”Hey. Try to stay awake”, Kouichi asked him.
Kouji was starting to feel warm. Tired. He wasn’t sure he could.
”We need to get him dry clothes”, Junpei said.
Breathing was still a struggle. His head was lifted off the ice, placed on something soft and dry. He was safe. It was probably fine for him to accept the call of unconsiousness. Hands started pulling at his clothes, and Kouji fell into oblivion.
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Something was beeping next to Kouji. He opened his eyes, glanced around. Hospital. He closed his eyes again.
”How long”, his voice was rough, talking hurt. He coughed. ”...was I out?”
”Four hours”, Kouichi answered and grabbed his hand. ”Mama and dad will be back soon, the others weren’t allowed to stay.”
Kouji nodded. Kouichi squeezed his hand.
”Get some more rest, your body temperature is still low.”
Kouji fell back asleep.
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