#homosexuality and the Bible

[reasoningdaily]

#slave bible #gays in the bible #homosexuality and the bible #religious lies #Youtube

[radrook2]

#proboards #homosexuality and the bible

[artist-issues]

Christians, start talking about why homosexuality is a sin. Stop avoiding the topic. If we can’t talk about it with people who disagree with us, it only says something untrue. It’s just a sin, like all the other sins. It’s just a twisted desire, just like all the other twisted desires. “Such were some of us.” It put Christ in the cross, it condemns the person who sells their soul to it to eternity without Him. Don’t make it any less or any more than that by avoiding the topic. The Bible doesn’t treat it like a taboo topic.

Honestly so many people are deconstructing or dropping away from the faith because they don’t know how to be loving and talk about how the Bible is right when it says homosexuality is a sin. So they don’t talk about it, but everyone who disagrees with the Bible does—so no truth is coming in, just lies, and no wonder that one thread unravels the silent “Christian’s” whole faith.

Because listen, listen, marriage is a picture of the Gospel, and love is Christ. So when they twist those two things, and you decide they’re right, everything else falls apart because they’re all connected.

So yes, it’s too not-special-at-all, just another twisted desire, for you to be afraid to talk about it. But it’s also too important to know the truth about it, and replace the lies about it, for you to be silent about it.

Just tell ‘em it’s like every other sin. Your desires are twisted and you can either choose to identify with them, or you can submit them to Christ and identify with Him while he untangles the desires. You can be god of your own life until it’s time to spend eternity without Him, or you can admit He’s God. That’s it. By making it “special” you’re feeding into the lie that homosexuality is some special, unique, sacred part of a person’s psyche that has to be treated as such. Even if you’re against it. No, it doesn’t. The Gospel conversation is the same, whether the sin they embrace is homosexuality or not.

You want to be with someone of the same gender romantically, sexually? Well, I want to turn my car wheel into oncoming traffic. The difference between me and you is, I agreed with reality—my life isn’t mine, so my desire to end it isn’t right, and I won’t live by it. I’ll give it to the God who made me. You, on the other hand, aren’t there—yet. You’re still living out the lie that you were made for you, and every passing twisted desire that doesn’t line up with reality is your governing authority.

But the answer is the same. Jesus took the punishment for me, and you, committing cosmic treason against the loving God who made us to be god, ourselves, and twist up the love He invented us for. He took the punishment for all that, and He can straighten out the scoliosis of your soul. The answer’s the same. So why’s the conversation taboo? Because Barnes & Noble put a whole celebratory bookshelf out? Because Instagram shows you reels of people wailing when it’s brought up? Get over it. Stop treating people who celebrate their sin like their sin is more powerful than whatever sin Christ saved you from.

#didn’t mean to preach #but I’m very over it #it’s like we all decided this is a losing battle #we either won’t have a loving conversation out of fear #or we talk ABOUT LGBTQ+ people like they’re lost causes who’s actions have to be condemned but can’t be redeemed #and it’s shipwrecking faith #it’s not a sacred topic #truth in love #Corinthians #that’s all it is #Bible #homosexuality #Christianity

[terrific-twist]

My brain feels itchy

#metal sonic #metal #sonic the hedgehog #gay #art #fanart #sonic fanart #homosexuality #sad :( #meme lol #i love this #this was made because of my christian mother having a bible in the car

[starrysharks]

tried to test the waters by asking my mother what she would do if she had a gay child and she said that she'd have them sent to ghana (home country) to be purified. ok

#like idk what i expected other than that but damn ok #this is why i'm glad i didnt try and come out or anything when i was younger a few years ago #anyway she said the other option if 'purification' didnt work was to disown them so i guess ill just come out to spite her as an adult #i do not give a fuck about this family line its ending with me brother #deleting this later i just wanted to get it out #i guess i should tag this as #homophobia #? #and maybe also #religious homophobia #because her hatred comes from supposed bible teachings but also africans are usually just Like That when it comes to homosexuals #africa moment

[matan4il]

Okay, story time.

Years ago I was writing a paper for uni about a queer reading of David and Jonathan, and why it's totally legit (even intentionally invited by the text).

When I started doing my research for it, I discovered that while the queer reading of David and Jonathan is pretty well known in queer circles, there's very little in the way of actual academic material on it, whether we're talking about a literary, religious or historical analysis of the text and this interpretation of it. I had maybe 2-3 essays about queer reading of ANY part of the Bible. And most of ot? Was actually not that great. Very little of it was about anything objective, most of it was just a suggestion for a different subjective reading of the text. Which is legit, but not enough. Most of the time, for an interpretation to be considered legit, we have to show that it relies on something that objectively exists in the text.

And then I found this paper by a guy determined to DISPROVE the queer reading of David and Jonathan. Now when I barely have material that's in favor of a queer reading of David and Jonathan, why would I be wasting my time reading what was written against it? But I'm a weirdo, and I always wanna know the counterarguments that can be used against me, too. Yeah, even if I disagree with them.

AND OMG AM I HAPPY I'M LIKE THAT.

Because this guy? Did a PHENOMENAL job at proving that objectively, the bow is the symbol of masculinity to the ancient Israelites. This is relevant because a biblical verse mentions that Prince Jonathan gave David his bow. I'm gonna say it again, this guy proved that for any Israelite back then, regardless of the subjective place they come from, when they were reading the text, what they would get from it is that JONATHAN GAVE DAVID THE PHALLIC SYMBOL OF HIS MASCULINITY. Tell me that doesn't align perfectly with a queer reading...

So why was this guy, who's trying to disprove the queer reading of David and Jonathan, proving the gay potential of this moment? Because to him, if Prince Jonathan has a symbol of masculinity, that means he's a masculine man, and no masculine man can be gay. Yep, the guy writing this paper was so blinded by his own bigotry, homophobia and misconceptions about masculinity and sexual orientation, that he didn't even realize he was handing me a valuable tool to prove queer readings of David and Jonathan are 100% legit.

Why am I mentioning this now all of a sudden?

Because sometimes the haters and anti's of a fandom are actually precisely like that guy, and it both amuses me to no end, and also makes me wonder if they realize how much their efforts sometimes backfire, and instead of destroying my love for and belief in a ship, they actually end up reinforcing it.

If you ever feel down because of haters in your fandom, just remember this.

#david and jonathan #fandom #antis #haters #bible #gay #homosexual #bisexual #bisexuality #homosexuality #fandom commentary #fh #buddie #mileapo #queer #gay couple #haters are so funny and they don't even know it #gay man #lgbt #lgbtq

[roselillihale]

i feel like to really understand twilight you have to read it and love it and then read it again and hate it and then read it again and love it and then read it again and hate it and then read it again an

#to me twilight is the Bible and I’m a young homosexual taking orders to become a priest #if you get it you get it

[moonyinpisces]

The relevant passage from the book re. Sodom and Gomorrah:

“Come off it. Your lot get ineffable mercy,” said Crowley sourly.

“Yes? Did you ever visit Gomorrah?”

“Sure,” said the demon. “There was this great little tavern where you could get these terrific fermented date-palm cocktails with nutmeg and crushed lemon-grass–”

“I meant afterwards.”

“Oh.”

-

And then they are silent for some time.

(It was the book passage that made me think of them as two gay men in 1990 and not some great ethereal/occult humanist Cold War metaphor. Having that conversation at the end of the AIDS crisis you know. Pretty gay human man of them.)

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#contextually this makes all the replies saying ‘it’s not about homosexuality’ so so much more insufferable #they argue ‘biblically it’s not about gayness’ as if the book wasn’t written WITH the connotations already set #like good omens inherently isn’t about the bible. it’s not! it’s about the public’s relationship to the bible #that’s how you get minisodes to book of job and the four horsemen and blah blah blah #like the book wasn’t written in some sort of bunker with 0 access to the outside world #interpretations and the way they solidify themselves into societal understanding IS the point #not ‘actually in the original text if u squint it says this’ like that’s not what this is abouttttt #thank u anon #ask box

[ghl-osty]

christians and homophobia

look this doesn’t apply for all christians AT ALL but some of us be slandering gay people with the bible as if the bible literally doesn’t tell us to:

-love everyone (matthew 5:44, john 13:34-35, 1 peter 2:17, 1 peter 4:8)

-it’s not our place to judge people (john 8:7, matthew 7:1, john 8:15, 1 corinthians 4:5)

-we’ve all sinned (romans 3:23, psalm 106:6)

honorable mentions include

-do not kick a relative (especially your child) out for ANY reason (1 timothy 5:8)

-all sins are forgiven (mark 3:28)

-the study about leviticus 18:22 being about pedophillia and not homosexuality due to an error in translation. there's a lot of debate about this, and so i’m not putting it as actual evidence, but it’s worth checking out.

-if some christians hate members of the LGBTQ+ community because they’re sinning, why don’t we hate liars like that? cheaters? divorcees? i’m not saying we should start, but if those sins aren’t being viewed as taboo, why are gay/trans people any different?

i’m bisexual. i’m also christian. i see both sides of this issue. but nowhere, and i mean nowhere in the bible does it encourage hate crimes, slander, and flat-out bullying towards gay people. and i don’t know very many christians who could endorse it while sticking to the word of God. it’s contradictory, babes.

#christian #homophobia #homosexual #bisexual #lesbian #gay #lgbtqia #christians against homophobia #christianity #bible quote #end homophobia #end hate #trans #nonbinary #asexual #aromantic #bible scripture #important #controversy #world politics #polyamourous #polyamory #lgbtq community #lgbt #lgbtq #gay gay homosexual gay #this one’s for the gays #it’s also for the christians #god #God loves you

[fruitsofhell]

I still think about this post I made anytime I see someone talk about Sephiroth Like That. It's still so weird to me, do people realize a character being designed to be hot doesn't automatically mean they're supposed to like… sex-y? With Kuja and Sephiroth I mean this as in their attractiveness is meant to be aesthetic more than sexual, it's like that shit Greta Gerwig was saying about Barbie to me.

I remember something that really struck me when I first played those two's respective games was the way their beauty was treated. I had never taken a game with bishounen characters seriously before, so there was a slight culture shock at how much aesthetic weight was put on them, especially combined with the angel motif in both their characters. Two interesting details about angels (archangels or guardian angels specifically) this brought up in my mind was 1) that traditionally these angels are meant to appear as incredibly attractive people, and 2) that they're traditionally portrayed as androgynous men. Which hey, they nailed those both on the head with their "One-Winged Angel" and "Angel of Death".

But with angels, that humanity and human attractiveness is kind of just a guise for a creature, ancient, divine, and terrifyingly powerful - sort of far beyond the actual functions of a human skin. So their attractiveness is not because they're sexy or sexual, but because its an aesthetic representation of that divinity - a way to make that appalling level of power more palatable and, attractive.

And I find that really fun and interesting, a lot in a gender way because, once again, angels traditionally being seen as masculine, and that sort of "sexy for no reason even if its a de-sexualized non-human being" is only ever an excuse for flaunting a feminine form and not a masculine. And I tell you boys, I am on my hands and knees scraping at the dirt everyday for representations of male beauty.

Which is why for Sephiroth and Kuja this was so striking to me. The way their designed beauty incidentally or purposefully invokes the beauty of angels is just so cool. They are characters not at all presented as having any sexuality of their own, but that It-Factor they got encompasses their character and how they are popularly perceived. Like what would Sephiroth be without his imposing form, long silky hair, and cat-like eyes? Or Kuja without his doll-like face and, well, everything else about him? But that beauty is not FOR us or the characters - it's attractive, even captivating, but venomous. Those mako eyes only hold emptiness, to then be set ablaze by an otherworldly, alien hatred; Kuja's lips only purse in a sadistic, callous grin before twisting into the tortured scowl of a disgraced angel willing to destroy creation out of spite.

And that cruel beauty is mesmerizing to players and a lot of what they're remembered for. Which once again was amazing to me cause they're guys and seeing men get that level of attention warms my cold bisexual heart, but also because MAN it ties in so well to their motifs. I straight up think you get less out of them by assuming that being designed to be hot and being a character with sexuality are synonymous. At least personally I am way more enamored with this dynamic of these beings made to catch our eyes (either narratively or meta-textually) in order to tease our senses and twist our hearts, as they move whole celestial bodies and crumble empires with a smile. I'm Just Obsessed.

#Kuja #Sephiroth #Final Fantasy VII #Final Fantasy VII Remake #Final Fantasy IX #ff7 #ff7r #ff9 #shut the heck up #gay gay homosexual gay #kujie #sephy #biweekly unhinged ff rant #this one genuinely feels mad cause im just saying that i think theyre hot but in a smart way #BUT I AM LIKE IDK THERES SO MUCH TO SAY ABOUT ATTRACTION??!!?!? IDK #also yes there is also a lot to be said about the ableism of it too but thats why its fun to see it subverted- #-in that no it doesnt actually mean purity just the allure of or disguise of it #just because angels are beautiful and divine doesnt mean they are perfect beauty is not a moral judgement #and if anything these fuckers are abusing that assumption lol #i need to read the bible and get into religious studies deadass #so that i can talk about the funny anime boys ofc thats what you do with that knowledge #tag talking

[keiachi-chan]

In the bible, the phrase seemingly denouncing homosexuality is a mistranslation from Hebrew that actually means "sexual perversion." Which means like. Assault, Bestiality, Pedophilia, etc.

Note: Because of this, Divorce is more of a sin than homosexuality. If Sheryl tries to tell you that you'll be sent to hell for homosexuality, tell her that she's going with you for being on her third divorce.

If u are talking to another Christian, remind them of this. If they think Homosexuality is on the same level as sexual assault, then they actually suck.

Jesus said love thy neighbour. That includes the lesbian couple next door, the trans woman at work, and your friend who just came out as enby.

Why do Christians on the internet act so hatefully? Every time I read one of their posts I go "he would not fucking say that" but for Jesus

#homosexual #the bible #Christianity #Jesus said love thy neighbour #Kay is Christian #Kay is qpoc #new tag wow

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

“Why is it when I ask a Christian why they oppose same-sex marriage they say ‘because it says so in the bible’, but when I ask that same person why God allows people to own other human beings as slaves I get a twenty minute lecture about the social economics of the day, cultural and societal changes over time, and a breakdown on the nature of the history of language and how the certain meanings of words don't necessarily translate?”

Xians pick and choose their morals because they know their bible is complete and utter bullshit too.

#christianity #bible #bible study #bible bullshit #homosexuality #same sex marriage #slavery #god likes slavery #slavery in the bible #chattel slavery #bible nonsense #religious hypocrisy #christian hypocrisy #religion #religion is a mental illness

[nerdygaymormon]

#Dan McClellan #homosexuality #negotiating the Bible #queerstake #tumblrstake

[counter-culture-christian]

And do not deceive yourselves thinking you can be both homosexual and Christian. It cannot be so.

#christianity #christblr #christian #holy bible #homosexuality #lgbtqia pride #pride

[alphie-in-the-sky]

#r/lgbtqirl #r/lgbt_irl #lgbtq #homosexuality #Jesus Christ #bible #steven colbert #stolen from reddit #queueberry milkshake

[desiringnothingness]

If anyone needs to see this, the ancient Greek word latinized as "pais" was just the word for "child". I saw it being misused in a hot take on Tumblr yesterday regarding the centurion story but couldn't find the post this morning. Since Greek is gendered, there is both a male and female declension ending for how it was used in the sentence. It's presence in the centurion story in Matthew 8:6 does not indicate a homosexual relationship. Here is the Liddell-Scott (intermediate or middle version) entry for "pais" on perseus https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=pai%3Ds&la=greek&can=pai%3Ds0&prior=o(&d=Perseus:text:1999.01.0155:book=Matthew:chapter=8:verse=6&i=1#lexicon

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=pai%3Ds&la=greek&can=pai%3Ds0&prior=o

Liddell-Scott has been the authoritative lexicon for ancient Greek into English for a long time. There is no mention of a gay relationship in this entry of the lexicon. It was also used for one's own children, but it could be used generically for children, or could also be used in some cases for servants and slaves too.

So the child could have been the centurion's own son, which would make the account closer to a similar story in the Gospel of John chapter 4. The words "pais" and "huios" were used interchangeably in the John 4 story so that is clearly referring to the official's son despite the official using "pais" to refer to his own son in John 4:49. Back to the Matthew 8 story, scholars have interpreted "pais" as servant due to the context of the passage, but the word does not clearly define the relationship because like in Matthew 8:8, the phrase "ho pais mou" is literally "my (male) child".

So even though the child could have been a son, it is also possible that the child was a servant, apprentice, or slave being abused by the centurion. The ancient pagan Greeks saw an older male's sexual relationship with a male child as a respected form of mentorship, and the pagan Romans emulated the Greeks. However, even if that was the case then it was not the servant or slave child's fault that he was being abused in a homosexual pedophilic relationship. Jesus could have just commended the Roman centurion's faith and had mercy on the centurion's victim without wanting to piss off the Romans by going against the accepted Greco-Roman norms of slavery, pedophilia, and sexual coercion. This event was early in the ministry of Jesus and not in His time to die yet. He hadn't even gotten all the Disciples yet at this point in time (the calling of the disciple St. Matthew was later in chapter 9.) He probably would have died a lot sooner had He denounced a centurion like that, and there would not have been 12 Apostles. Also, there probably would not have been a Gospel of Matthew written since St Matthew had not been called yet, had Jesus denounced the centurion for pedophilic abuse at that moment.

Whatever the case, the story of the centurion and the child is not approval by Jesus of homosexual pedophilic relationships, especially given the context of the rest of the Bible. A better argument could be made to soften the interpretation of the rhetoric of St Paul against homosexuality by considering the Greco-Roman culture of male homosexual pedophilia and their concept of the penetrator being the dominant one and not really gay, while the penetrated was the servant or submissive one and therefore the actual gay person. That is why pagan Roman officials could penetrate other guys without being judged for being gay. The slaves and foreigners could be penetrated, but not Roman men (especially officials and politicians). It was a system of sexual exploitation, and the early Catholic Church should be given at least some credit for removing acceptance of homosexual pedophilia from mainstream society and instead recognizing pedophilia now as a terrible sin to prosecute (even if deviant priests are guilty of it).

#greco-roman homosexuality #bible translation #bible context