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#good omens as a queer story about queerness
cobragardens · 7 months
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In the first essay in this post Maya Gittelman articulates something that I think is really important: it's not just the gender(fuck) of the characters' coding that makes Good Omens a queer story, it's that the story is about queerness itself.
Gittelman's essay:
The thing is, this is the shit I’ve been waiting for my whole life.
Before I knew the words, I was impacted by how every epic romance, every classic adventure, every story I had access to and enjoyed was cishet. I needed to translate either the story or myself to find myself in it—every single time. I grew up in the oughts, in the days of the Tumblr fandoms you’re thinking of. I wrote about this a bit more in my essay on the first season of Our Flag Means Death last year, and that first line applies here—queer heartache has never felt this good.
I’ve been able to consume a lot of queer storytelling lately—mostly white cis m/m, but not exclusively and more than I’ve ever been able to in my life, because I’ve been searching for it for a long time. Yet as we know, there are a lot of mainstream stories with queer “rep” that at their core about what marginalized queer people have been cautioning around for generations—normalization. Assimilation. Respectability. See, we can be just like you. We too desire to marry, participate as cogs in the violent machine of imperialism. We too want the right to give you our service, our allegiance. We too want to join your armies. I certainly can enjoy plenty of that media, but I’m still desperate for queer storytelling that’s not sanitized, not flattened out to fit cishet beats, something that tells a good story that’s queer on every level. And that means we deserve to see queer characters who are messy, who hurt each other, because sometimes, love isn’t enough.
While Good Omens in some ways still white cis m/m, it’s also not entirely, and what works for me is that it actually delves into asking the damned question: What if this love is a threat, actually?
What if this love is something that does disrupt your norms, your ways of life? What if it’s an open danger to the systems you’re used to? What if this love could disrupt everything? What if it goes against God’s will and Satan’s too, what if it flies in the face of the ineffable plan?
What I’m saying is, I’ve wanted stories that let queer people be characters, with all the nuance and complexity that entails. Stories that are queer, intentionally, in both subtext and text, that aren’t asking an audience to justify their right to exist. Instead, they’re giving voice to the specifics of queer experience that don’t typically get mainstream care, multi-season tenderness. We deserve queer love stories that are wistful, epic, tragic not because they’re of the “same gender” but because the tangled truths of safety and trauma are inextricable from queer love. We deserve stories that are queer as subtext and text, metaphor and central plot and side plot too. We deserve queer stories that explore how queer love is infinite variety. We deserve genre stories that explore what immortality or something close to it does to pining, to longing, for wanting the one person in the universe you can’t have.
We deserve queer stories without homophobia that still explore the traumas of marginalized desire, in which neither party is truly the villain, just victims of the same system, at different stages of knowing it.
Show me what it looks like beyond the happily ever after, the will they/won’t they, the beats of a privileged cis white coming out. Breathe arcs of nuance and poetry and history into it. We deserve that epic romance, and we deserve to see how much it can hurt, because the depths of that wound evidence the ferocity of that love.
Growing up queer can feel monstrous, and I need to see that on screen. When you get preached at that people like you go to Hell for what you are and the ways you want, you start to relate to the demons. When you’re taught the truest, most joyful parts of you are unholy, it’s fair to ask—why should I respect the authority of a system that hates me for reasons I can’t control?
You learn to disguise your desire, and it changes you. It changes you to choke down your feelings, to deny them, to believe that they are sin. You learn to pour them into the hidden language of love that arises between you and whoever you’re lucky enough to share it with, so you don’t learn how to say them aloud. (Their arrangement, “little demonic miracle of my own,” the fourth alternative rendezvous. This is what queer love has looked like for millennia: something beautiful and true, despite, despite, despite.) Unlike those whose love has only ever been legal, permitted, “normal,” “holy”—your relationship is inescapably shaped by the threat behind it. You don’t get to see them as often as you like. You don’t get to talk, either to them or about them, because it might disturb the precious existence you have carved out together. You have to make up excuses, you can’t admit to anyone exactly why you can’t stop going back, and in this way you don’t always have to confront it yourself.
At the same time, that’s why queer love can be one of the most powerful forces in the universe—it saved the world last time, even if they didn’t call it that, yet. Aziraphale and Crowley don’t know so many details about each other’s lives and yet they know nearly everything important.
This is love—this natural state of slipping into the truth, until you awaken to it, inevitable and encompassing, all around you.
You might find yourself almost helpless to the magnetism. You can’t stop going back, finding your way to them, taking the risk, basking in the thrill of the comfort of their company.
And that’s why this finale, this story, this couple works so well for me—it’s queer in the telling, and while it always has been, this season literalized it on a new level and that matters.
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thebluemoo · 9 months
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I'm so tired. And Frustrated.
I'm tired of characters needing to be "in love" every time they love each other. Especially when the media goes out of the way to make it clear that they love each other without ever trying to define that as "in love". They love each other. That is just as valuable. That is Just as worthy. They can be partners without romance. They can be partners without sex.
They Can Be Partners Without Romance.
I am so Sick of not only the idea that for some god forsaken reason, Every single queer relationship needs to be labeled and categorizable to "count" as explicitly queer, but the idea that it needs to be romantic. The notion that characters and stories cannot be queer until you get to see a kiss or people are declared "boyfriends" or something else like that. We are Woefully shy of queer representation on the whole— I'm not saying you can't interpret media however you like. Do what you want.
But I am so sick of characters that Clearly mirror aromantic stories or stories about queerness that just don't focus on romance be called "not good enough" or "homophobic". Not every story is about romance. Not every partnership is romantic.
That doesn't make them not queer. That doesn't make them not important. I can promise you, those of us who don't or can't center romance in our lives? We Are living a queer experience. We are antithetical to amatonormative allonormative expectations for how life "should" be lead.
We get to see ourselves in those stories you're calling "not queer enough". Queerness is complex and weird and Fucking Queer. It's not an analog of straightness or cisness. We're not playing opposite to straightness or cisness. We're not operating in the same Framework— that's what makes us so goddamn queer. We aren't easily definable, and when we try to force ourselves to find one definitive way to be queer, we leave community behind.
So yes. We need more queer stories. We need more queer stories of all kinds that are messy and weird and romantic and aromantic and trans and ace and nonbinary and all over the place because every single story about queerness is going to be different. And that's good.
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not-a-cheese-thief · 7 months
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A while ago I read a comment that's really stuck in my mind, saying that Good Omens (season 2 included) was queer baiting, and the basis of their arguments, aside from the complete media illiteracy, came down to 2 things; they're not both "men", and their relationship isn't (or won't be, according to some sources) sexual.
Now, I'm not really a part of the fandom, so I don't know what the common understanding is around these fictional, non-human beings who don't experience gender. Perhaps this person was trying to argue that since the angels and demons never had gender to begin with, queerness and gender queerness can't exist for them. But my response to that would be that we the audience are human, living a cis het dominated world, and we are watching a love story about two non binary lovers (who, yes, happen to be played by men, and who, most of the time, exist in male presenting forms), and that makes it a queer story. Why would anyone think that one or more of the characters being non binary would make a ship queer baiting?
Sex isn't required to make something queer, by the fucking way. First off, asexuality and the ace spectrum are part of the LGBTQIA umbrella. It's in the damn initialism. Secondly, whether or not someone is ace, sex and sexuality is not fucking needed to make them queer. People are queer with or without sex. The act isn't what makes for queerness. Telling queer stories is important, and it's dangerous and stupid to say that all stories must contain sex or allusions to sex in order to prove that they're queer.
Queer love and community is beautiful and diverse, and that diversity has been missing from our screens for way too long. Hyper sexualized, cis gay men tend to make up most of the stories right now. That's what the media's been focused on. And while it's good that a part of the media and the audience is becoming more used to seeing gay sex and sexuality on screen, and that world is being explored, there's just so much more. There's more queer stories to tell. Many of which don't include sex.
So yeah, it hurt me to see people arguing that certain stories aren't really queer, because they were hoping to watch another cis gay couple fuck on screen.
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queer-reader-07 · 7 months
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it is so vitally important to me that aziraphale and crowley not only love each other but choose to love each other.
i don’t want it to be fate. i don’t want it to be god’s will. i want it to be a conscious and continuous choice.
i want aziraphale choosing every day of his goddamn existence to love crowley and all that he is. i want aziraphale choosing to love crowley not in spite of being a demon, but because he is a demon. i want aziraphale choosing to love crowley’s curiosity and creative wonder. i want aziraphale choosing to love crowley’s love of plants and gardening.
i want crowley choosing to love aziraphale’s passion for books. i want crowley choosing to love aziraphale’s desire to do things the human way even if he could just miracle it. i want crowley choosing to love aziraphale’s angel-ness because it is a fundamental part of him.
i want aziraphale choosing to love everything about crowley and vise versa. and i want it to be a very conscious and intentional choice.
it being fate negates the entire point of the story. good omens is a love story between an angel and a demon, yes. but that’s not all that it is. it’s a story about two occult/ethereal beings who choose humanity over the great plan. two beings who choose the world over armageddon. and they make those choices because despite it all they have chosen to fall in love with the world and with humanity.
it only makes sense that they choose each other. that they choose their love. it being fate or god’s will ruins the foundational pillar of their relationship. that they choose each other over and over and over again. year after year, century after century, time and time again. they always choose. they choose the arrangement, they choose saving the other from harm, they choose lying to protect the other.
it is always a choice. and it better stay a choice or i am going to be so devastated.
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whoify · 2 months
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throws rock at hornet nest. etc
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fleething · 6 months
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i think it’s slightly funny how everyone on the former bird app is losing their minds about the fact that neil said that s3 “won’t be romantic” like that means he’s going to kill off either of the ineffable spouses when it probably just means that there won’t be a fucking ball scene like in s2 bc s3 is going to be too busy having an actual plot to do that
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azuremist · 9 months
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I’m gonna say it. I’m gonna say it, and y’all are gonna be normal about it.
I don’t understand why the people behind Good Omens decided to make a universe where homophobia and transphobia doesn’t exist, while ALSO unnecessarily writing in Aziraphale facing fatphobic bigotry multiple times.
Why do only skinny queer people get an escapist story where they’re not being reminded of their own oppression?
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shysquiggles · 9 months
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GOOD OMENS SPOILERS !!!!
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Okay but I genuinely can't get over how important it was for Crowley to kiss Aziraphale. Like it was so important.
Yes, of course, important from the real-world perspective: after countless years of queer-coding in TV shows and then inevitably being greeted by judgement and disgust from others as well as the people who have worked on the show (looking at you, BBC Sherlock). I'm pretty sure tumblr users from back a good 10 years ago (myself included) have come flooding back to tumblr following these canon kisses because we're so used to being gaslight into thinking two same-sex characters in a TV show will never express their love on-screen. This show, alongside OFMD, is attracting the same mainstream demographic as those other shows and making our main characters kiss. Because, no matter how queer the relationship was in those shows back in 2015(ish), it wouldn't be accepted as canon unless there was a kiss.
BUT putting that aside, it was SO important in the universe of Good Omens too. For these characters to truly demonstrate where they each are in their heads, and where they want to be.
This was the first kiss, possibly ever, where a demon and an angel kiss. I kept thinking we never saw Beelzebub and Gabriel kiss, despite canonically running away together. They are a couple. And at first, I was like, okay great, this is the writer's making sure that the first kiss we see IS between Aziraphale and Crowley. The show is pretty much their relationship through time, it's good to make them the focus point. But it's not just that, not at all.
Gabriel and Beelzebub experience and demonstrate their love and their joy at the end through singing. Stereotypically, this is very much what angels are known for. People literally use the phrase, "voice of an angel". It's kind of an angel's thing -and seeing as all demons have been angels at some point or another, it makes sense.
But Crowley and Aziraphale's experience of love, of witnessing it and seeing it themselves, is always through humans. Their expression of love is always so human (acts of service, eating food together, quality time) Their relationship isn't heavenly, nor is it hellish. It's human.
Crowley choosing to declare his love and then kiss Aziraphale is so innately human, and is something that neither demons nor angels ever do. It is truly showing that he has left behind any demonic or heavenly desire and simply wishes to exist in his human life with Aziraphale. It furthers his expression of wanting Aziraphale to stay with him, for them, where they can just be themselves. To be an "us".
It's not an angelic or a demonic act, to kiss someone. It's human.
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jaymber · 9 months
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I'm just gonna-
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Even if you don't count what's happening between the protagonists as romance cause you don't care about stories, just visuals, at least STOP erasing trans and non-binary identities!
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a-metal-jelly-bean · 1 month
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oh god oh fuck
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theemmtropy · 9 months
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I'd just like to point out that Good Omens 2 has actually good representation when it comes to queerness. Not only are the non-humans free from any Earthly gender and sexuality structures, but we also get canonically gay and nonbinary humans, and they are just as important as any other humans that Crowley and Aziraphale protect.
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grison-in-space · 9 months
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Also if you think the angel Aziraphale has ever heard the song "Take Me to Church" without being consumed by enormous, contradictory, and incompatible feelings you have another think coming let me tell you that. Not sure he can figure out what they are, mind, but there are definitely little gears turning away in there.
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maximus-gluteus · 9 months
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nothing to see here
#ok plz i wanna rant about how the new season of good omens is making me lose faith in humanity#girl tell me how ive trudged through 4 episodes of this season and i still dont know what the damn hell is going onnnnnn#every time i think we're getting somewhere with the 'story' the show slams the brakes to let me know that there're gay people on screen#does the coffee shop chick ever apologize to the record store chick bc i cant staaaand their romance.#like record store lady. girl. this isnt banter shes just straight up dissing your passion and life's work.#im scared to finish the season bc i just KNOW theyre gonna pull the whole 'i made u leave ur toxic partner now date me immediately' trope#ok so story beats aside my other gripe is how contrived the queer representation is in this show#i am a bi woman! my reaction to seeing wlw on screen should be 'yay! im happy theyre together' and not 'ugh this shit again?'#and also with az and crowley! what happened to their chemistry from the first season???#like on the one hand the whole 'bickering like an old married couple' schtick is lovely. but. theyre just faffing about most of the time!#remember the first season? when these characters had agency? and a semblance of intuition?#i am convinced that the majority of the characters in this season couldnt find their way out of a paper bag#i get theres a whole memory loss plot device thing happening. but it feels like Gabriel's cluelessness is like fucking infectious or smthn#i feel like an idiot for assuming that the characters i knew from the first season will be just as competent in this season. they arent!#i hated the whole 'continued' story in the wwii era. i feel like it was a pathetic ploy at giving mark gatiss more needless screentime#did they think people would find the nazi zombies amusing or something? why are we playing this off as a joke?#just admit you dont know what to do with the story and move onnnnnnnn#im gonna finish the season bc i feel like im owed the scene of david tennant sucking face with michael sheen.#itll be like reparations for having to slough through the rest of this nothing burger of a story jesuuuuuussss#ok rant over#good omens critical
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queer-reader-07 · 6 months
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queer characters are allowed to die in media. and it isn’t inherently A Problem or homophobic when they do.
i understand that it hurts seeing queer people die in shows and books and movies, especially if you’re queer and you saw yourself in those characters.
but the thing is, if you want better queer rep in media you have to be ok with queer characters being treated the same way cishet characters are treated. and that means letting them die sometimes.
Bury Your Gays is a problem, I’m not going to pretend like it’s not. but Bury Your Gays isn’t synonymous with every death of a queer character that happens. you’re allowed to be hurt and devastated by a character death, but i don’t think it’s fair to act like that character death is part of some wider issue just because that character is part of a minority group.
not every queer story is sunshine and rainbows with a happily ever after. some queer stories are violent, some are devastating, and people die in some of them. and that is OK.
if we act like queer people can’t die in media we’re contributing to the othering of our community. it’s saying “queer people are this special group you can’t ever do a bad thing to in media because if you do it’s homophobic.” which is not a true statement.
we can’t act like every death of a queer character is homophobic or has capital I Implications about the writer’s opinions on queer people. if we keep pushing that specific narrative queer stories are going to be stifled. writers need to be able to tell the stories they want, even if that includes a queer person dying. and acting like they can’t is doing more harm than good.
you can dislike a writer’s decision, you can stop watching a show because of that decision. that is OK. but you don’t get to go around saying the writer is homophobic because they did something you didn’t like to a character you loved.
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hellonoblesky · 8 months
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PRAYING for a genere analysis presentation or something so I have an excuse to talk to my entire class on my opinions on queer shows in the media from the perspective of a person who adores horror and isn’t rlly fond of media that’s predominantly gentle/soft/fluffy with Hannibal as my main example of queer media I actually felt like. Resonated with me
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I want to tell everyone in the Good Omens fandom who ships AziraCrow to try listening to "The Promise" by Tracy Chapman and maybe you'll calm down. 😊
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