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the-ineffable-cross · 3 months

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Imagine if Crowley met the Doctor and the Doctor took him back to the creation of the stars...

And what if Aziraphale met River and they talked about the history of mankind together <333

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roxannepolice · 3 months

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I guess brainrot over the idea of an ineffable husbands style tensimm kiss won't let me sleep so.

I think, leaving aside the general collective unconscious and David Tennant in a telepathic mode of transport, the main reason the dynamic hit as so similar is this kind of. Absolute versus relational morality? I mean, this is what's on the deepest level, because the most apparent aspect is the idea that one of these semi immortal entities believes the other can be kind of restored to the state of goodness? And not just this person specifically, I think Aziraphale in general and the Doctor mainly as Twelve tbh just have this worldview where good is somehow definite and in a way natural for the universe? Oh yes, Twelve will be making speeches about whether he's a good man but the very asking of such a question implies "good man" is something definite, something that one can be. And oh yes there may be villains and monsters but you know if we all just sat down and talked then sure everything could be figured out. And this is more obvious than ever in his attitude towards Missy, where y'know. She just never heard the music. Whatever that metaphor means. Just as Aziraphale assumes Crowley can just be restored to the angelic status, because sure it was just a misunderstanding right he means he's not actually evil right? In a sense, pre-time angelicness and childhood are parallel in that they both assume a mind that hasn't developed individuality yet and I guess this is why Moffat is obsessed with throwing children at the audience 24/7.

And I find it fascinating that where everyone sees Aziraphale is wrong (or, indeed just needs to figure out Heaven is evil), Twelve's clockwork orange vault is generally hailed as reaching out to the truth behind the Master that Missy got closer to than any regeneration we've seen. For some reason, because sure as hell not because of anything that happened in EOT. And that's writing for you: if it's intelligent enough you'll look at something fundamentally similar and see completely different things.

Now, Crowley and the Master have more relational relational ethics - and relational is not the same as relative. And sure as hell don't think the universe or any individual will "naturally" veer towards good. In fact, they're both pretty cynical about, at least human, nature. Difference is Crowley needs to get drunk from Spanish inquisition, while the Master thoroughly enjoys letting future humans go murder their ancestors for fun. I mean, Missy even calls the Doctor out for his absolute and sentimental idea of good, except that's framed as her being in the wrong. And then there's the whole "Paradise. You've destroyed paradise! - They were lazy. I made them hungry" exchange between War and Saxon Masters in Masterful. Serpent in Eden, anyone?

And I think that this is why tensimm give off those vibes that they were closer to understanding each other than ever before. Obviously, the moral divide is still there, as it has to be, but I think Ten, especially in EOT, is more aware of how easily one can slip into a vengeful god, and all this to SAVE someone, than ever before. So while the moral divide is arguably widest it's ever been, the perceptual differences between the Doctor and the Master are almost gone in those episodes. And I suppose the metaphor of the Doctor hearing the drums is pretty pertinent here.

Now, before there's any accusation of moral nihilism on my part - no, there isn't. I specifically wrote of moral relationality not relativism. An action or attitude can be good or evil, the thing is that every individual exists in a net of their relations to others that they can't get out of through spontaneous epiphany. And at the same time the idea of absolute good is necessary, precisely because the general momentum is towards... the opposite. At the same time, there is nothing vile that hasn't been done in the name of higher good. Again, dialectics.

Which is why I say the Master (the Simm!Master, reduced as he was) fell where he stood no less that the Doctor in season 10. Like, this absolutely wasn't the intended point and I still say the mutual suicide was peak contrivance, but. work's intent. And all of this goes back to platonists vs. sophists, you know.

So anyway, it's still Ten that desperately grabs Saxon's lapels and kisses him in hopes of making him stay where they can be happy together.

#am i making any sense #prolly nit it's one of those cases where my brain won't shut up until i let it scream #anyway #doctor who meta #good omens meta #doctor who x good omens #the doctor #tenth doctor #twelth doctor #the master #simm!master #gomez!master #thoschei #ineffable husbands #philosophy in doctor who

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crowzirawho · 6 months

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I am a huge fan of doctor who/good omens crossovers because my autistic brain is positively exploding when two of my interests mix.

concepts that I haven't seen around and I think should be considered:

crowley stopping time in front of the doctor

aziraphale and crowley at the pandorica opens (I have read a fic with them keeping company to rory, which was absolutely brilliant, but I specifically mean the more technical big-bang 2 stuff)

aziraphale and the twelfth doctor at a magic show (failing)

weeping angels as angels who had been discorporated and weren't issued a new body. great for aziraphale angst

clara oswald and jane austen robbing banks in a gay way. crowley is there encouraging them and the doctor has no idea what's happening

heaven sent. take that as you will.

I have to say most concepts with the tenth doctor have already been executed so there are none in my mind that I haven't already seen somewhere

#good omens #doctor who #doctor who x good omens #crossover #autism goes brrrr #ineffable husbands #aziracrow #aziraphale #crowley #twelfth doctor #eleventh doctor #clara oswald #tenth doctor

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clairedelune-13 · 4 months

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AU idea: During Fourteen’s rehab journey, the TARDIS falls out of the time vortex and into the GO universe and meets Crowley after the divorce.

#fourteenth doctor #anthony j crowley #doctor who x good omens #david tennant

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eminentsleet388 · 4 months

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Upcoming fan-fic

Okay so new fan-fic is coming up, based on this pintrest post I saw. I saw it like three weeks ago, but the proper plot only came yesterday. Also I write very slowly because DISTRACTIONS, and im very inconsistent. But I'm trying to structure my writing a little bit more, so I should be done with this work relatively soon.(Could be a week, could be three days sorry I have no idea when it will be complete) It's structure is similar to a normal Doctor Who episode, maybe a little smaller. Btw its the 10th Doctor and Donna(I would have done 14th, but havent seen it yet). Also I tried to tie in the Doctor who universe with the good omens universe, and I think I did a pretty good job. Anways it's got me soooo excited honestly aaaaaaaaaa. okie bye

#fan fiction #doctor who #good omens #doctor who x good omens #crossover #my fic

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mischieviem · 6 months

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Been doing good omens intober over on Instagram so here are some favorites

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imagopersonal · 5 months

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If I had a nickel for every time David Tennant played a non human creature that is both non binary and pansexual, is in love with their vehicle and suffered more than Jesus because of their blonde love interest, I’d have two nickels

Which isn’t a lot, but man isn’t it amazing that it happened twice?

#david tennant #doctor who 60th annivesary #doctor who #10th doctor #14th doctor #good omens #crowley #crowley good omens #ineffable husbands #aziracrow #doctor x rose

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periwinkle-berries · 1 month

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A familiar weeping angel

#good omens #aziraphale #crowley #aziracrow #good ineffable omens #good omens fandom #crowley x aziraphale #good omens fanart #ineffable husbands #ineffable lovers #doctor who #tenth doctor

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mooseglue · 1 month

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Bless you to the person who left this tag on my post. It’s all I can think about

#yes that’s a cardboard cutout #good omens #aziraphale #good omens art #crowley #good omens fanart #aziraphale fanart #crowley fanart #crowley x aziraphale #aziracrow #ineffable wives #ineffable husbands #doctor who #david tennant

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dyketennant · 1 month

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as someone who has obviously done extensive research on the topic i would like to present to you all...dyketennant's "which david tennant character are you" uquiz

#it's almost 3am now and i started this at around 10-11pm i think so if this sucks. im sorry #also before you say 'what about x character' listen there's only so many i can add you guys #12 was the easiest number for me to work with i had to make some choices #yes i was influenced by my own bias that's inevitable #toyed with the idea of adding kilgrave but could not stomach the guilt of anyone actually getting him as their result #david tennant #good omens #doctor who #blackpool #takin over the asylum #bbc staged #around the world in 80 days #hamlet 2009 #fright night 2011 #broadchurch #la without a map #queues to watch out for

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i-seeaspaceshipinthe-sky · 5 months

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The Time Lord and the Toymaker? // We can make a difference.

#doctor who #dwedit #doctorwhoedit #fourteenth doctor #doctor who spoilers #good omens #goodomensedit #crowley #crowley x aziraphale #aziracrow #ineffable husbands #david tennant

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jupiterslifelessmoons · 5 months

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The top tv episodes of 2023 are so queer

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yousharknotpass · 5 months

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cosmic love

crowley this crowley that… can you GUESS which david tennant scene ripped my heart out first?? i know they gave me the best tenrose endgame they could but I still yearn for it 😭

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crowzirawho · 6 months

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crowley!twelfth doctor or twelfth doctor!crowley

the good omens musical version of crowley reminded me of twelve visually so I took the twelfth doctor, put him in a church and made him a demon with traits from different crowleys.

closer and without background :)

#good omens #doctor who #crowley #twelfth doctor #fanart #good omens fanart #doctor who fanart #crossover fanart #i am my own target audience #please let me be #artists on tumblr #my artwork #doctor who x good omens #combining my interests because it makes me insane

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gahellhimself-blog · 27 days

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My artwork for Wingz mag (you can find it here : https://www.reddit.com/r/GoodOmensAfterDark/s/uaNWSU1Cb8 )

It was an amazing project, I’m sooo glad it’s finally released !! Congrats to all the artists, writers and illustrators, who worked on it.

@goodomensafterdark

#good omens #good omens fanart #good omens fanwork #good omens after dark #good omens teach me au #flash bastards #good omens x loki series #loki series #loki fanart #our flag means fanart #our flag means death #ed teach #doctor who #twelve doctor #doctor twelfth #twelve

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livhowlett · 2 months

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I was re-watching Good Omens for the *insert large number* time and I laughed because...

In S1, when Crowley is delivering Adam to the Sisterhood. Adam's Dad calls him 'Doctor'

Then in S2, we get Aziraphale calling Crowley 'Doctor' while they questions the surgeon.

In S3 we'll need another Crowley=Doctor moment @neil-gaiman .

I vote for Muriel to call him Doctor.

#good omens #crowley #ineffable husbands #aziraphale #david tennant #crowley x aziraphale #good omens 2 #micheal sheen #good omens crowley #david tennant doctor #doctor who #dr who #10th doctor #the doctor #14th doctor #david tennant is my doctor #good omens season 3 #doctor

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