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sassylittlecanary · 1 year

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It’s interesting to me how often Superman and Batman’s characterization is mixed up.

So frequently (looking at you Zack Snyder) Clark is the brooding, lonely outsider who feels isolated from the rest of the world, a god among mortals, while Bruce is the personification of humanity, both its limitations and its most extraordinary possibilities. This is one of the key components of many Superman vs Batman stories (BvS, Injustice: Gods Among Us) — Clark is (or is perceived to be) a powerful, out-of-control god who could destroy or conquer humanity, while Bruce is his arch-nemesis, the chief defender of humanity.

In reality, Clark is the more human, even despite his Kryptonian heritage. He was raised on a farm in a small midwestern town. He went to school dances and corn festivals. He loves his parents and his dog. He has a day job doing something he loves. He has a cubicle with his name on it where he tacks up pictures of his loved ones. He lives among ordinary people, and he shares many of their experiences. Yes, he’s an alien, and his powers certainly make him conscious of how different he is. But he’s still a farmboy from Kansas who goes grocery shopping, pays rent, stresses about work deadlines, and gives his colleagues homemade apple pie.

Bruce, on the other hand, has far more distance from humanity. He was born into wealth and raised among the elite. He lived in a mansion and attended galas and red carpets. After his parents died, he began living a very isolated life, only letting a few people (Alfred, his kids) in emotionally, and sometimes not even them. He trained among elite martial artists and isolated himself further by creating the shallow persona of Bruce Wayne. He sees being Batman as a duty, a burden, because he’s taken it upon himself to protect people. He lives on rooftops and in alleyways, forging himself into the inhuman personification of fear.

Despite his alien heritage, Clark is the relatable man of the people. Despite his humanity, Bruce is the lonely outsider. More adaptations need to remember that.

#and don’t even get me started on the xenophobia in lots of ‘Superman is the villain’ stories #clark kent #superman #bruce wayne #batman #dc #dcu #dc comics #dceu #bvs dawn of justice #batman v superman #batman v superman dawn of justice #injustice #injustice gods among us #comics

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superherocaps · 2 years

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#batman vs superman #batman v superman #dawn of justice #bvs dawn of justice #bvsdoj #bvs doj #superman #clark kent #Lois Lane #henry cavill #amy adams #dc #dcedit #dc edit #dceu #dceuedit #dceu edit

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baambastic · 2 years

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Trend: The more obscure the protagonist(s), the better the DCEU movie. With a few exceptions: Wonder Woman, Suicide Squad (2016), Snyder’s JL

Man of Steel:

Heavy-hitter protagonist Superman, bad movie

BvS:

Features Batman and Superman, DC’s two biggest characters, along with a less significant appearance from Wonder Woman. Terrible movie

Justice League:

Has the heavy hitters from previous movies along with Flash, but is balanced out by the presence of Cyborg and Aquaman. Mediocre movie

Aquaman:

Not necessarily obscure, but made up for by how much everyone makes fun of the character. Quite good movie

Shazam!:

Pretty obscure compared to most of the DCEU heroes thus far. Great movie

Wonder Woman 1984:

One of the three biggest DC characters, Wonder Woman. Bad movie

The Suicide Squad:

Nobody but DC fans knows who any of these people are other than Harley Quinn. Fantastic movie

Taking these observations into account, the Blue Beetle and Black Adam movies could quite possibly be masterpieces of superhero cinema.

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freesketchgo · 1 year

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"Oh, I don't think you've ever known a woman like me."

#wonder woman #batman v superman #batman #bruce wayne #brucewayne #dianaprince #diana of themiscyra #benaffleck #ben affleck #gal gadot #galgadot #james bond #batfleck #bvs dawn of justice #bvs #dc fanart

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figures4fun · 1 year

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The first session is free

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nathanielzalexandria · 2 years

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Batman V Superman but instead of Batman trying to kill Superman it's a search for Superman because the red and blue hero disappeared after helping restore Metropolis from the aftermath of Black Zero

So everything happens the same up until after the Library Gala where Bruce and Clark meet for the first time.

Shennanigans and romance ensues as Clark tries to learn about the Bat and Bruce searches for supes and Lex ... I have no idea what he's doing but he still makes the monstrosity in the end

#just thoughts #superbat #bvs dawn of justice #fanfiction #fanfic

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wonderwomanart · 1 year

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Wonder Woman by Phil Jimenez

#wonder woman #Phil Jimenez #diana of themyscira #batman vs superman #bvs dawn of justice #diana prince #dc universe #dcu #dc comics #dc superheroes #wonder woman art #dc heroes #art

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grumpyblackbird · 2 years

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Ok, so I watched The Batman although I told myself that I was not gonna do it but it’s good. It’s just that Pattinson is not doing it for me as Batman and Bruce Wayne. And that lead to me watching Batman vs Superman again but this time the Unlimited Edition and let me tell you this movie makes so much more sense now. After watching that I feel like the theatrical version isn’t finished and lacks a lot of explanation to some scenes. It’s just that whole Martha scene is still not doing it for me. It made me laugh and that’s sad. So to cheer me up ( ha ha ) I watched Zack Snyders Justice League, which is still a masterpiece and should have been released in the first place and not the theatrical version with that horrible cgi mouth for Cavill, as an example to why it’s bad. In the end I just watched both of these just to fall back into the Batfleck rabbit hole.

I mean look at this. I don’t see a difference. This is the same person. He’s Bruce Wayne and to me he always will be.

Ben just has this exhausted Dad energy. And a lot of BDE if you ask me 🥵

#the batman #battinson #batfleck #bvs dawn of justice #zsjl

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princewardo · 1 year

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Dont watch the movie but pls keep writing I am very excited

too late I did watch it and it was AWFULLLLLL but don’t worry….I’m still writing 😩

#asks answered #the social network #tsn #my fic #bvs dawn of justice #lexwardo #Lex/Eduardo

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frownyalfred · 6 months

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okay I know the “do you bleed?” line in Batman V Superman was universally mocked, but imagine if you’ve spent your whole life invulnerable and some crazy motherfucker dressed in a bat suit who brands people for fun and has no problem crashing millions of dollars worth of military grade tech stares at you with a crazy gleam in his eye and asks if you bleed like he’s personally and scientifically invested in seeing you do so. I would’ve shit my pants, super powers be damned.

#thoughts #I’m sure this has been said before #and more eloquently than my hungover ass can manages #bruce wayne #batman #dc #superman #superbat #clark kent #batfleck #bvs #batman v superman #batman v superman: dawn of justice

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sillyrabbit81 · 4 months

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Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) Dir: Zack Snyder

@giftober 2023 | Day 18: Romance

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sassylittlecanary · 11 months

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Cynicism and God Complexes: Thoughts on Batman v Superman

There’s good stuff about this movie. Clark and Bruce are especially well cast, some of the costumes are pretty, Wonder Woman is there, etc. But as for the rest? I just rewatched this film, and here’s my two cents.

Bruce's Characterization

I appreciate how the beginning shows Bruce’s compassion for people (especially kids), but then it’s … not really relevant ever again? What Batman does to the sex traffickers is certainly satisfying, but it's also more in line with Huntress or Red Hood’s tactics (which comics!Bruce hates). So, by making him more like Frank Miller’s Batman (aka the Punisher in a cape -- seriously, The Dark Knight Returns had horrendous characterization and we should not be basing movies on it), it erases everything about his character that defines him as Batman, which is VERY relevant in comics batfam dynamics. Furthermore, there's the moment when the media is criticizing the bat brand, and Bruce says, "They’re criminals, Alfred — they’ve always been criminals. Nothing’s changed.” This is not who Bruce is! This is not his mindset! Where is the Bruce Wayne who gets a former villain a job at Wayne Enterprises and works toward reform and doesn't see anyone as a lost cause?

There's also the question of the dead Robin (not that you can really tell it’s a Robin costume because it's freaking BROWN) who is probably Jason Todd, which makes Bruce's characterization here even more implausible. Bruce didn’t kill his arch nemesis (who’s still alive and played by Jared Leto) who tortured and murdered his teenage son, but sure, he’ll kill Superman happily!! I call BS.

Clark's Characterization

This film is all about fear of Superman, and this is best personified by Bruce and Alfred's perspective — that Kal-El is a god coming down from the sky who could reign terror on the earth and answers to no one. Sure, they’re unreliable narrators, but this narrative still ruined many people’s perceptions of Superman. Despite scenes showing Clark’s kindness, fear of Superman (plus the idea that we SHOULD be afraid of him) is woven throughout the entire film. The entire point of the Knightmare sequences is fear of Superman. Even if they’re simply meant to demonstrate Bruce’s paranoia, they still serve to instill fear of Superman in the audience as well. (Also the Knightmare sequences are literally just Injustice ripoffs and I HATE IT. Literally the worst thing to take inspiration from for a Superman movie.) It's noteworthy that Superman's first appearance shows him looking scary and imposing. That's the image many people remembered.

Also, the core of Clark's character is that he cares about people. He does literally everything in his power to protect them. The idea of him allowing (or causing) destruction to befall innocents just so he can save Lois is ludicrous. Actually, the (heavily Injustice inspired) idea throughout the DCEU that Clark prioritizes Lois over other innocent people is awful. Clark cares about all of humanity — whom he lives among and is not isolated from — not just Lois. (Also, while I love the tenderness in their relationship, it's just not a Lois & Clark relationship. Where is the banter? The flirtation? These two are cute together, but they were also made into a very generic couple.)

Additionally, I hate Superman as a Christ figure, and I hate the "he's a god among mortals!!" narrative. Y'all. This is post-Crisis. John Byrne got rid of that. We've moved past this.

The Villain

I hate Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. I get that he’s Luthor Jr, but still. He’s kinda just playing the Joker without makeup. He’s just pathetic and annoying and I cringe when he’s on screen. It's honestly embarrassing that every other actor who has played Lex Luthor was both more menacing and more compelling.

The Tone

Beyond a doubt, this movie's fatal flaw is how bleak and cynical it is. The tone, the characterization, the very premise, and even the color scheme are so cynical. It takes all the fun and meaning out of the genre. Thanks for turning these inspiring and beloved characters into another sad soulless action movie!! Love you Zack 😘

Also, the beginning bothers me. Bruce doesn't like Clark because of all the violence he causes -- except comics!Clark cares about protecting civilians. It's just that Zack Snyder followed the 2010s action flick trend of adding tons of gratuitous, gritty violence, and now BvS is reckoning not with the characters' actions, but with Snyder's directorial choices from Man of Steel. Which is lame and I hate it.

Snyder's choices in general just bother me. He literally took one of the brightest, most colorful, most fun genres ever and was like “Actually, what if everything was DARK and BROWN and SAD.” And you know what? I do not vibe with that. Not everything has to be Game of Thrones.

Honestly, all this cynicism and moralizing would've been more suited to an Authority film than one about the DC Trinity. I don’t WANT a dark and realistic take on Superman and how people might view him. I don’t want a movie where Superman is put on trial or burned in effigy! I want a movie where Superman saves people and brings joy and hope to the world. I want my kind and inspirational beacon of hope. I want the hero whom children adore and adults admire. Give me a real superhero movie, not a hopeless grimdark action movie with superhero characters.

#so anyway I loathe bvs #dceu #batman v superman dawn of justice #bvs dawn of justice #dc #dcu #batman #superman #bruce wayne #clark kent #lex luthor #zack snyder #snyderverse #superheroes #media analysis #meta

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superherocaps · 2 years

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#batman vs superman #batman v superman #dawn of justice #bvs dawn of justice #bvsdoj #bvs doj #bvs #batman #bruce wayne #ben affleck #dc #dcedit #dc edit #dceu #dceuedit #dceu edit #filmedit #film edit

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bafflecks · 4 months

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mndvx · 1 month

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SUPERMAN DEAD Night of Terror, Morning of Loss SON OF SUN AND KNIGHT OF NIGHT (2016) directed by Zack Snyder | written by Chris Terrio & David S. Goyer

#batman v superman #dawn of justice #bvs #dceu #dc #movieedit #filmedit #bvsedit #dceuedit #dcedit

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greeneyed-thestral · 1 year

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#batman being like 'no wait I was just playing' is so funny to me #batman #bruce wayne #superman #clark kent #superbat #batman v superman #batman/superman #superman/batman #bruce x clark #clark x bruce #dc #dc comics #b v s #bvs #dawn of justice #henry cavill #ben affleck

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