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gerryrigged · 10 months
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wait wdym dc didn't stick with Red Robin for Tim [and the de-aging thing?] what are they calling him if not RR?
He's been Robin again since 2019 😬 it's a bit more complicated but that's the gist of it.
Okay so Tim became Red Robin in the 2009-2011 series of the same name, back in the post-Crisis timeline. He was supposedly 17 at the time, by official records, and I believe he was still supposed to be 17 when the universe was rebooted with Flashpoint in 2011? (Although this doesn't really make any sense with respect to jamming the huge number of events that happened while he was Robin into like four years, if he was supposed to have become Robin at 13; he should probably at least be 18 if not 19-20).
The Flashpoint reboot took us into the New 52 (much beloathed), where nearly everyone was de-aged to some extent to keep Bruce Wayne and his generation from getting ~too old~, and also Tim Drake was mangled into a completely different character who had never been "Robin"; he'd been "Red Robin" right from the start of his vigilante career. He was de-aged to 16 for the New 52 Teen Titans series.
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Teen Titans (2011) #0; as you can see, this version of Red Robin kept a version of the bandoliers and gave Tim a fancy new functional wing cape that he could fly around with.
Next, Rebirth in 2016 was a partial reboot that brought back some aspects of the post-Crisis timeline; tbh I'm not an expert on this period. What I do know is that Tim mainly appears in James Tynion IV's run of Detective Comics that ran from 2016 to 2018. During this period Tim was still called Red Robin, but he'd basically reverted to a Robin costume, with only the silly doubled "RR" symbol identifying him as not ~actually~ Robin winkwink nudgenudge, and as I understand it he was mostly back to functioning as Bruce's partner.
Tynion's run ends in Detective Comics #981 with Tim telling Bruce that he's going off to Ivy University. (He's totally lying, as Tim Drake does; Alfred notices that his tracker is going off in the opposite direction of the university, but Bruce is like "I trust him" and turns the tracker off. Yay, I guess?)
Anyway the important bit is this revealing that Tim is 'going-off-to-college' age. Which could still reasonably be anywhere from 17-19, and DC being DC, they ~refuse to confirm~
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Tim as Red Robin on the cover of Detective Comics #934 (2016); as you can see, he's pretty much Robin again lol
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Detective Comics #968 (2018); another shot of his "basically Robin" Red Robin costume
In 2019 we got the actual return of Tim as Robin (no "Red") in Brian Michael Bendis's Young Justice run, re-uniting the Core Four from YJ 1998.
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Young Justice (2019) #1
As you can see, he no longer has the doubled 'RR', and he confirms that he's Robin - "Well, one of them!" I think he's supposed to be filling in as the Gotham Robin while Damian is running around the world having adventures and presumably getting into trouble, as Robins do? idk.
Tim also chases down his erased post-Crisis past at the beginning of this arc, having Zatanna magically restore (most of) his memories of the previous timeline, and, crucially, his forgotten best friend Kon, kickstarting some plot.
Tim, and all of the Young Justice crew, are notably young-looking for almost the entirety of this run. It varies based on the artist, but uh, yeah for the most part they are really damn baby-faced. This is a trend that continues with Tim and his generation of friends from this point onward, so fans have basically thrown up their hands like "is he 17 forever???? is he Edward Cullen from Twilight???? is he aging backward????"
We Just Don't Know
In any case, Bendis makes DC's next attempt to give Tim his own identity in short order, giving us the hilarious, ill-fated, and rightfully short-lived "Drake" identity.
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Young Justice (2019) #10
He's back to being Robin by issue #18, hilariously switching costumes from one page to the next, although some time has apparently passed during the scene transition.
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Young Justice (2019) #18; Jinny: "Is Drake back to being Robin?" Kon: "I think Batman and Spoiler made him go back to Robin. Don't bring it up. And say thank you because we didn't have to have the Drake intervention we were planning."
And as of the current date (July 13, 2023), Tim is still in the Robin identity, sharing it with Damian ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ God knows how old he's supposed to be right now. I certainly don't.
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Batman (2016) #136; the most recent issue out to date, with Tim suiting up as Robin while filling Bruce in after diving into a bunch of parallel dimensions to bring Bruce home.
As you can see, it's a Mess. The Tim Drake's Vigilante Identity question is of course a hotbed of wank and infighting, as people are torn between (a) wanting him to continue as Robin and (b) wanting him to move on and "grow up" into his own identity again (and, importantly, leave Damian as the sole Robin again, lol).
It feels like most people are for option (b), but then nobody can agree on what his next identity and costume should be. Red Robin again?? Some other bird-based identity that doesn't share a name with a major restaurant chain?? Something else entirely??
God only knows what DC is going to come up with, especially after the Drake fiasco.
And there you have it, Anon! Hope that was helpful.
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phoenixkaptain · 2 years
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Tim Drake as a character is really funny because on the outside, he gives off this aura of always knowing what to do and what’s coming next and being able to predict his enemies next ten moves, but on the inside he has no idea what’s going on and is riding by the seat of his pants the whole time.
Like, he has the best poker face of any character ever. People look at him and think “Lucky I’m with Robin who knows what he’s doing :)” and Tim’s brain is playing staticky elevator music.
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There are only so many fanfics that use the entirety of DC as cardboard cutouts to prop up bat family characters that I can read before I go berserk.
I swear to god. Every character that has ever been shipped with a bat or coexists on the same team as a bat is owed an apology.
How many Young Justice fanfics that solely revolve around Tim must exist? How many Titans fanfics centered only on Dick? Why is it a herculean task to find a Justice League fanfic without Bruce as the main character?
And then even when you do find a fic that seems like it's balanced, everything still revolves around the bat. Like Kon, Cassie and Bart have nothing else going on in their lives except Tim and Tim's issues or thinking about Tim. Like Donna and Wally and Roy just cannot function if they aren't spending every waking moment thinking about Dick.
I'm... Guys. I'm at my limit. I swear to god. We need to make a Batman tag and surgically remove all these fics and quarantine them there. We'll keep the actual DC fics and they can do whatever the fuck they want in their own tag. It's getting ridiculous how hard it is to find fanfic that's actually DC related and isn't just 'The BatFam Show'.
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batcavescolony · 11 months
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How many times do I have to hit the stupid fanboys with a bat before they get that Robin is an integral part of Batman's story? And How many times do I have to hit DC with a bat before they get that too?
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raeofgayshine · 2 years
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At this point I’m starting to think Tim Drake is actually an idiot for how long it took him to figure out he’s bi.
#ravenpuff rambles#Tim Drake#conner kent#Kon El#TimKon#Tim had such a fucking crush on Conner and he didn’t even realize it oh my fucking god#why did dc ever try to convince us he was straight again????#twice. he did this twice!! in two separate comics published years apart#Tim thought he was dying and just went ‘I wish I could talk to Conner again’#in YJ (98)#and then in Red Robin he just goes ‘Will I see Conner again? Hope So.’#i adore Tim. i adore their friendship. but oh my god this is gay.#Tim was in the middle of a breakdown because Bruce was dead and he’s more excited to see Conner in the afterlife?#love this fucking disaster what a guy#also I made this meme entirely for my friends who are into dc stuff but haven’t read a lot of Tim comics#they follow other Batfam members and understandable Tim is just the one that stuck in my head first#I’ve been reading the Red Robin comics and this is part of me chronicling my feelings on the series#of which I have so many oh my god Tim what the fuck#the first half is just an extended breakdown.#so far the second half has just been making me question if he has any regard for his life at all#Kid needs fucking therapy oh my god#i mean I’m glad he’s happier but also he is so fucked up#Though shout out to Alfred who continues to sympathetic to Tim punching Damian in the face#Damian isn’t in this a lot but he is such a little shit whenever he is and I love him so much#ngl I really do want to read the Batman and Robin run with Damian and Dick now because seeing pieces of them work together is so#interesting and I want to see more of it it seems fun
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spookyprime · 2 years
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Oh I know I'm in way too deep when just start thinking about daemon aus
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thumbalinabarbie · 1 year
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they are on a road trip :)
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skywalkervahnya · 2 years
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I normally really dislike fanon Tim mostly because I think canon Tim is already a really cool and interesting character and because I don’t like seeing him being a sad boy but if there is one fanon thing that I do like, it’s the idea of Tim being really into photography mostly because I feel like it’s different from a lot of Tim’s canon interests and gives him a creative outlet.
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bobbinalong · 2 years
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tim must be pretty bland if a pair of pants on another robin makes you claim that's him.
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fireheartwraith · 2 years
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So I decided to binge watch Young Justice to catch up to where I left it off last time (beginning of season 3) and I just got both a whiplash and a dejavu of these time jumps... Season one happens in six months, you make your happy way to season two thinking we're gonna pick where we left off and bam! Older Robin? Non-Dick Robin?? Five years later??? Nooo those were my babies, they can't be grown ups now!! It's been two minutes since the last episode!!!
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annastarlingverse · 2 years
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YOUNG JUSTICE
TIM DRAKE FULL NAME: TIMOTHY JACKSON DRAKE-WAYNE DATE OF BIRTH: JULY 19TH, 2000 PLACE OF BIRTH: GOTHAM CITY, NEW JERSEY CODE NAMES: ROBIN, RED ROBIN, THE DRAKE, RAPTOR RELATIVES: JACK DRAKE (BIOLOGICAL FATHER); JANET DRAKE (BIOLOGICAL MOTHER); DANA WINTERS DRAKE (STEP-MOTHER); BRUCE WAYNE (ADOPTIVE FATHER); DICK GRAYSON, JASON TODD, DUKE THOMAS, DAMIAN WAYNE (ADOPTIVE BROTHERS); SERENITY ALLEN, CASSANDRA CAIN (ADOPTIVE SISTERS) ALLIFIATION: BATFAMILY, YOUNG JUSTICE, TEEN TITANS
LIZZIE ALLEN FULL NAME: ELIZABETH ROSE ALLEN DATE OF BIRTH: DECEMBER 21ST, 1998 PLACE OF BIRTH: CENTRAL CITY, MISSOURI CODE NAMES: BANSHEE, CIRCE, SCARLET CANARY RELATIVES: HENRY ALLEN (BIOLOGICAL FATHER); NORA ALLEN (BIOLOGICAL MOTHER); JOE WEST (FOSTER FATHER); SERENITY ALLEN (BIOLOGICAL SISTER); BARRY ALLEN (BIOLOGICAL BROTHER); IRIS WEST-ALLEN (FOSTER SISTER/SISTER-IN-LAW); BART ALLEN/BAR TORR (FOSTER BROTHER/CLAIMED COUSIN); WALLY WEST (FOSTER BROTHER) ALLIFIATION: TEAM FLASH, YOUNG JUSTICE, TEEN TITANS, BIRDS OF PREY, CANARY FAMILY
CASSIE SANDSMARK FULL NAME: CASSANDRA SANDSMARK DATE OF BIRTH: MAY 1ST, 2000 PLACE OF BIRTH: WASHINGTON D.C. CODE NAMES: WONDER GIRL, OLYMPIA RELATIVES: HELENA SANDSMARK (MOTHER); ZEUS (FATHER); HERA (STEP-MOTHER); DIANA PRINCE, DONNA TROY, ERIS, ARTEMIS, APHROTIDE, ATHENA, PERSEPHONE (PATERNAL HALF-SISTERS); JASON PRINCE, ARES, HEPHAESTUS, DIONYSUS, HERMES, PHOEBUS APOLLO (PATERNAL HALF-BROTHERS) ALLIFIATION: AMAZONS OF THEMYSCIRIA, YOUNG JUSTICE, GODS OF OLYMPUS, TEEN TITANS
CONNER KENT/KON-EL FULL NAME: CONNER KENT DATE OF BIRTH: MAY 1ST, 2000 PLACE OF BIRTH: CADMUS LABS CODE NAMES: PROJECT CADMUS, KR, SUPERBOY RELATIVES: CLARK KENT ("FATHER"/BIOLOGICAL TEMPLATE); LEX LUTHOR ("FATHER"/BIOLOGICAL TEMPLATE); LOIS LANE (STEP-MOTHER); LYRA KENT (ADOPTIVE SISTER); JON LANE KENT (HALF-BROTHER); JONATHAN KENT (ADOPTIVE GRANDFATHER); MARTHA KENT (ADOPTIVE GRANDMOTHER) AFFILIATION: SUPERFAMILY, YOUNG JUSTICE, TEEN TITANS
BART ALLEN/BAR TORR FULL NAME: BAR TORR/BARTHOMELOW ALLEN DATE OF BIRTH: UNKNOWN PLACE OF BIRTH: UNKNOWN CODE NAMES: IMPULSE, KID FLASH RELATIVES: UNKNOWN BIOLOGICAL FAMILY; JOE WEST (FOSTER FATHER); CECILE HORTON (FOSTER MOTHER); BARRY ALLEN, LIZZIE ALLEN (CLAIMED COUSINS/FOSTER SIBLINGS); IRIS WEST-ALLEN, WALLY WEST (FOSTER SIBLINGS) ALLIFIATION: FLASH FAMILY, YOUNG JUSTICE
CISSIE KING-JONES FULL NAME: SUZZANE KING-JONES DATE OF BIRTH: MAY 1ST, 2000 PLACE OF BIRTH: STAR CITY, CALIFORNIA CODE NAMES: ARROWETTE RELATIVES: BONNIE KING (MOTHER); BERNELL KING (FATHER); OLIVER QUEEN (LEGAL GUARDIAN) ALLIFIATION: TEAM ARROW, YOUNG JUSTICE
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clambuoyance · 2 months
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[DC] kon: has one (1) adventure with tim
kon: robin my best friend robin. did i mention we're besties
(+ meme ver)
based on this panel from superboy and the ravers #8. i just think its funny that hes going around telling people this (after only having just met tim in wf3 and he also only just met bart in the prev issue so this is pre-yj), only to struggle to become robins friend in the early yj comics. in his defense, tims like one of the first friends his age he met at the time. also double funny because this is from the "batman and robin are urban myths" era so like. they never believed him in the first place.
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iron-sides · 8 months
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you are literally the one that shot harm. slash billy.
#my thots#LIKE WHY IS IT SO HARD TO BELIEVE GRETAS A GHOST NOW??#anyway guess who started planning yj 3 month santa roadtrip fanfic <- i did#no promises itll ever see the light of day but i could not stop thinking about it#like what did they tell their schools??#im picturing them trading off driving the supercycle and doing homework in the back because like#?? ik tim hadnt dropped out yet and i cant imagine he was willing to be held back#so he could Not have just MISSED THREE MONTHS#especially not without a damn good excuse#and like. im reasonably sure bart is in school atm too and obv cassie and cissie so like#idk abt kons schooling and i assume gretas not in school ut like#im p sure everyone else is? so WHERE DO THEIR TEACHERS THINK THEY ARE#anyway. also i dont Think tims parents are dead yet so like#whats his plan? for if they come home? or does he know theyre not going to#unless they are dead? but i thought that happened closer to red robin and to my knowledge jasons not#actually back from the dead yet?#i need a timeline so bad#purely to figure out if tim has a contingency for his parents#also to figure out everyone else life but im less familiar with likely pitfalls there#anyway. wait actually barts a speedster#is he. attending school#IS BART ATTENDING SCHOOL VIA SUPERSPEED im going to assume not purely because he would not want to#anyway. as you can see. many questions. i want to write fic to answer them so bad#anyway#bee liveblogs!#yj 98#yeah i bet you forgot this is a lb post. i know i did#ALSO !!! AND ANOTHER THING ok. ok.#but like. did the people bitching about how late they were know they werent santa? like did they know they were#complaining to a collection of teens who watched santa die and chose to pick up his job orr????
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swe3tte4rs · 4 months
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" My mom is so beatiful! " - Batfamily x Model!Batmom headcanons
Request: Batmom headcanons where batmom’s a model & the coolest mom ever?
Author's note: Thank you anon 🫶! Here is my second request, so I hope you like it. I didn't know what to put for the title so I settled for this one.
And it will also take me a while to upload the Zatanna x reader oneshot 🤗.
Again I clarify that my main language is not English, so sorry for the spelling errors 😿.
TW: nothing!! Just fluff I think
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Nightwing / Dick Grayson
Since he met you, he was fascinated with your beauty and elegance.
He loved when you went to galas and you wrapped him up in your long elegant jacket while you picked him up in your arms and let him fall asleep like that.
Dick didn't miss any of your shows or commercials.
I bet he has your older shows saved on his computer.
A model and cool mother at the same time? Wow, Dick couldn't ask for more.
You are his only support, the only one who was there and loved him no matter what.
Dick will always ask your opinion about what he wears or what haircut he will get.
He goes crazy every time he hears someone say "Your mom is hot."
"It's not my fault that my mom loves me and yours didn't love you, fucking slu-"
I feels like he would play with you by imitating your walk just to annoy you.
Always showing off his mother, yesyesyes.
The YJ and Titans members would be very jealous of him; because you treat him very nicely and send him food, without saying that you drown your son with love.
Jason Todd / Red Hood
When he was Robin he was dwarf and plump. I and other people agree 😇
Jason loves the support you give him and keep giving him.
And he also loves your delicious food, he probably asks you to prepare some for him every time he goes out on patrol.
I just imagined him (when he was Robin) bringing you a bouquet of flowers bigger than him once you finish the show, seeing you with those beautiful and big eyes 😭
I bet he sometimes got scared when he saw your face on a commercial billboard.
And he keeps doing it, only he spits out whatever he's drinking when he sees you in TV. (Without him knowing that you participated as a model in X brand)
He loves and continues to love your attacks of kisses on his face.
Yes, he would also ask you for style advice, but only once a year, he is very proud when it comes to his clothing style.
"YOU SON OF A BITCH!! HOW DARE YOU HAVE A FUCKING POSTER OF MY MOM?!?!"
Damn Jason, your mom is a model, what do you want them to do?
Tim Drake / Red Robin
He has a love-hate relationship with your love attacks.
Tim, like his other siblings, would not miss any of your shows, or the parts in which you appear.
He would help Barbara to make sure no one wants to sabotage you at one of your shows.
If given the choice between your food or the support you give him, Tim would jump off a bridge. (jk)
"Bro, can you shut the fuck up and stop saying how beautiful my mom is? I already know that."
Tim gets embarrassed every time he is with his friends and you call him (by phone XD), because you start reminding him that he is very handsome and he need to eat something. But it irritates him more when his colleagues ask to talk to you.
Damian Wayne / Robin
I think he wouldn't care about your job
He's like, the most attached to you.
After your shows he would be attached to you like a flea.
Also at the galas.
Damian was surprised that you were so kind and loving towards him despite the things he said to you before him had that mother and son connection.
I think we all know that there is some kind of hate between you and Talia, no 🥸?
Oh yes, he wouldn't care about your love attacks, as long as it's not in front of his friends.
"Yes mom, yes I ate the food... Yes, I know you love me. *sighs* I love you too mommy..."
You're like Jon's second mom.
His favorite days are pool or beach days, he likes to enjoy the sea while spending time with his mom.
Cassandra Cain / Orphan
Cass is the vice president of your fan club.
Cass loves you infinitely.
She has an album full of photos of you and her after the shows.
She doesn't like the idea of you parading in swimsuits.
She would always ask you for clothing tips and advice.
Cass likes, loves, and admires having a mother who understands her and can be herself with her.
She wouldn't care if you show her love in public or private. She always gives you more love back!
Skincare routine between you and her.
You always make sure that she is fashionable but also has her own style.
She would have a lot of admiration for you.
I feel like she would hardly take any notice of "your mom is hot" because she thinks they are flattery.
But if they go overboard and insult you, Cass wouldn't hesitate to give them a good beating. Nobody messes with her mommy.
I think she would have you as her wallpaper. A photo of you and her on your birthday or on her birthday.
Stephanie Brown / Spoiler
She is the President of your fan club.
Throughout the parade she is like "how boring, I want to leave" until you finally appear, it doesn't matter if the outfit you wore is ugly, she would applaud you with all her might.
"WHY DID YOU AGREE TO DO A BIKINI COMMERCIAL?!?!"
I feel like she gets angry every time anyone tell her "she's super hot" (you), and Steph is like "the nosebleed I'm going to give you is going to be hot."
Every time she sleeps over at the mansion she joins you and Cass's skincare routines.
She loves you because every time you talk there is some laughter.
Steph appreciates and adores the support you give her as a mother figure.
You rarely have love attacks towards her.
But she adores them.
Every chance she would go shopping with you.
Duke thomas / The Signal
Just let me...
Duke is your photographer.
He had a hard time opening up to you at first, but you were just great and so sweet to him.
He doesn't react like his brothers do when they tell him "your mom is hot", rather he would feel uncomfortable.
Only if they insult you would he get serious.
He likes that you are always there to support him every time he goes out on patrol or comes back from patrol.
You and Duke's connection started when you tried to get him to distract himself from the harsh reality of his biological parents, like going to the park and all that.
He is embarrassed when you have your love attacks towards him. It doesn't matter if you are alone or in public, he will be embarrassed every time you have those love attacks.
I feel that when you go with him to buy clothes, you spend a lot of time because you can't decide what clothes to buy him.
But in the end you end up buying everything for him.
Barbara Gordon / Oracle
Yes, I added Barbara, okay?
In my AU there was no love affair between her and Bruce 😇
The one in charge of making sure everything goes well at the shows.
Sometimes she sees you as her mother, sister and best friend.
Barbara always sends you messages; according to her so as not to lose contact, which is a lie because you know it is purely on a whim.
I don't think you have love attacks with her, just a simple kiss on her cheek or forehead.
Although sometimes she envied the attention you gave to your children.
Barbara would value and care for you deeply.
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[You can add more headcanons if you like <3]
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floralytic · 2 years
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anywayz here is the spectrum ive figured it out.
kon= honesty, openness, following his heart ------ cassie= honest and open, logical------ tim= isolating, hides away, logical
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smallhatlogan · 2 years
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the problem with surprising amount of writing in general is they sure expect you to just care about characters on the basis of “you’re supposed to care about these characters” 
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