#azula stans are annoying

[kideaternomnom]

Unpopular opinion and it’s okay if some people disagree with me here but I think Azula stans are slightly more annoying than Zuko stans tbh. ☠️It’s just their constant abuse apologism and twisting the narrative to make it look like other characters are the bad guy that irks me. 😭Plus they always use the “misogynist” card like…

#azula stans are annoying #azula stans who try to villainize zuko or downplay him literally make me lose braincells #azula stans are stupid #anti azula stans #idiot #oh brother #anime #avatar the last airbender #atla #analysis #media literacy #avatar #character analysis #firelord zuko #zuko #atla zuko #azula #pro zuko

[praetorqueenreyna]

#atla #pols #aang #katara #sokka #zuko #azula #toph #idk are toph stans annoying??? the rest definitely are

[inkwashhh]

Half of the metas in A:tla fandom be like: "This show is poorly written," "The writers did them dirty," "My Faves deserve better," "Our sweet babies were destined to get together! How could they!" "But they are SOULmAtES!!! WDYM it was Fate," "The ending is trash," "Twelve-year-old goofy kid can't kiss a fourteen-year-old mature woman and get away with it," "Nobody but me understands these characters, (not the writers themself for that matter)," "She had no redemption arc because she needed no redemption arc. She did nothing wrong at all, so obvious; she just a teenage girl, so everyone has to apologize to her, not the other way around," "What, you disagree with me? how dare you, Y'all FUCKING LOSERS," and so on and so forth. These pretentious exclamations which all at core carry the same message: "The writers (other fans) are idiots. I could do it better."

Well, go and do better, then, why don't you? I'll gladly read your original fiction. I bet it will be Perfect.    

#so many critics around so few content creators I WONDER WHY #there's a good reason to never read metas unless you want to get annoyed on purpose #because a lot of them are just like that #like everyone is so smart #smart straight up to the point where they actually start DOING something themself #though i think it can be said about all fandoms #but Zutara shippers and Azula stans I'm talking about you specifically #there's a striking amount of hostility in your fandoms #why so bitter #it's just a damn show #don't get so upset and OBSESSED over fiction #rant #fandom #atla

[ididgettomeetyou]

my hot take

People complaining about zukos redemption arc not being perfect /his personality not doing a 180 ie: him still being callous/rude/ / not a super nice guy are boring. Yes he still has to work on himself that doesnt mean his redemption was a complete bust. as someone who had to work to change myself to be a better person i didn't exactly become the sweetest women alive ever either. i still have a lot of shit to unlearn.

. i'm pretty sure the idea of a redemption arc is doing super bad shit and making up for it later not completely altering your personality to mr. sweetest man on earth. Example. from my fav bird who reminds me a lot of zuko minus the greedthing.

Iago worked for jafar watched him almost kill Aladdin, ended up switching sides cause jafar was an abusive piece of trash and saved the day. his peronality remained grumpy/ sarcastic/ not that friendly .. and thats fine. i wouldnt find him fun if he became a perfect zero flaws character.

im not sure where fandom gets the idea a character switching sides means they got to act like a saint. other than this fandoms hate towards characters having flaws.. . I dont want a perfect Zuko

its so frusterating. just because azula didn't get a happy ending doesnt mean zuko didnt earn his heck for all we know she'll get a happy ending in one of the movies.. i see zero reason to constantly put down characters to prop up others.. this fandom is just annoying.

#atla fandom problems #zuko #atla #yes i bring up azula because 9/10 its azula fans #and like doesnt her etting a better ending have to start with her admitting she did bad things?? #how can it tho when no fans want to amdit she did bd things? they dont awant redemption they want forgiveness and nothing else #anti azula stans #i could be entirley wrong on hte movies and i wont care like its a fictional character #fandom confuses acharacter has a sad history=earned redemption thats not how that works #part of the fandom eraases zuzos flaws #another erases azulas #this fandom is annoying

[azulas-daddy-kink]

Two sides of the same coin:

Annoying ass Azula stans who coddle and woobify her, and completely demonize Zuko // Annoying ass Zuko stans who coddle and woobify him, and completely demonize Azula

And both groups hate each other for pulling exactly the same bullshit.

#atla fandom problems #discourse #azula #zuko

[thegoldencontracts]

Masterlist (Azul Ashengrotto)

Fics

To Comfort - Hurt/Comfort, Reader Gives Azul a massage

Bridal Style - Fluff, Reader Bridal Carries Azul

Let's Play! - Fluff, Board Game Night With Azul

Too Late - Hurt/Comfort + Fluff, Azul accidentally sends you an embarrassing text

Kiss Kiss K.O~! - Fluff, Kissing Azul until he faints

Of Much Importance - Second request, Azul being tryhard and you teasing him :)

Ugly-Cry- Azul angst along with hurt/comfort, no readerI

Irrationality, Love - Azul's in denial until an odd confession

Don't Question Me! - Azul x Reader First date fic

The Baby Picture - A drabble where you find a picture of baby Azul and he is not amused

A Tsundere - You think Azul's a tsundere. He thinks he's not. Who wins (Drabble)?

Complimentary - You compliment Azul to tease him (drabble)

Flustered!Azul and Leona - Two fics for the both of them, requested <3

(Not) A Love Triangle - An idea I got from a post about the reader, Azul, and Jamil's weird relationship; azul x reader, jamil hates his life

Octopus-Lover - Jeiazu 1.1k thingy if you like jeiazu talk to me no one likes jeiazu more than me i will move mountains for a fellow stan

Denial - A quick Jamiazu drabble with blushy azul and jamil who is smug yet a tad confused

Run-Off - An Azul & OC daughter Angst Fic, Azula belongs to @imafrealinrainbow478484 (please tell me if the tag annoys you btw ^^)

Secrets - Cute little fluff fic, you catch Azul being all sappy and flustered about you

On The House! - Fic about you realizing why Azul's giving you free stuff

A Turn-Table - You turn Azul's flirting on him and he gets all flustered

A Touch Too Far - Hurt No Comfort, you try the breakup prank on Azul and it does NOT go well

Cuddled up - Smothering azul in cuddles and praising him

Tsundere!Twst - Housewardens x Reader but THEY'RE the tsunderes now

Headcannons

Azul Kiss HCs - What it says on the tin, pure fluff

Schrodinger's Horror - Fluff HCs, Watching Horror Movies with Azul

Azul & Ex-Queen-Bee!Reader - Third request, HCs, what it says on the tin

Housewardens With A Tsundere Reader (Part 1) - Azul and a tsundere reader

Imagines

Azul in love - A cute little imagine about Azul being in love with you and flounding

He is... - Crackfic based on twst fanon stuff that i don't really find accurate

Flustered!Dormheads - What it says on the tin, short but sweet little thing

Plus-Sized Azul in NRC - Angsty scenario of plus-sized!azul

Analyses

Every Single Talent Azul Has -Self-Explanatory; always open to corrections, additions, or requests for more detailed citation

Is Azul Kind? - A theory based off of Azul's Platinum vignette

Every Unethical Act Azul Has Committed (And Why None Of Them Were Actually Illegal) - Also Self-Explanatory, I'm not a lawyer so I'd appreciate corrections

Can Azul Love? - A bit of my thoughts on the matter

#azul ashengrotto #twisted wonderland #masterlist #azul ashengrotto x reader #azul fluff #how did i need a whole masterlist just for azul

[bunthebreadboy]

so i’ve been on my atla bs once again, and while rewatching today i got the lovely thought that azula reminded me of a specific kpop idol and spiraled from there. so. here’s my personal list of kpop idols as atla characters!!

these are mostly based on vibes and/or visuals. by no means do i mean to make idols i think are similar to the show’s antagonists out to be bad people!!! i will give an explanation behind my thoughts as well.

also disclaimer, i know next to nothing about boy groups, so please spare me lol

anyways

seungkwan (seventeen) as aang

- once again, i know nothing about boy groups

- i did however watch the devil’s plan (amazing show by the way, it’s on netflix) and the positive but still very determined vibe seungkwan brought to the show reminded me of aang

- also, this selfie of him reminds me of the one scene with aang in the flower crown

jihyo (twice/soloist) as katara

- extremely hard workers who trained for years to get to where they are now

- have natural leadership abilities and are total mom friends

- would cuss someone out if they were very annoyed

- thanks to jeongyeon and her water bottles, jihyo is actually a pro waterbender already (jeongyeon is pakku but without the misogyny. the entire pakku/katara fight is just a compilation every single concert encore where jeong and jihyo bicker)

chan (skz) as sokka

- this honestly just felt right

- every time i see a clip of chan on a live i end up laughing

- i have also heard from stays that skz would collapse without chan and i very much think the same of sokka since he’s the ideas guy

- also aussie sokka lmao

hyunjin (loossemble) as toph

- competitive level 1000000 (please watch one episode of loossemble assemble and tell me i’m wrong)

- would do something out of spite but is also very protective of friends

- cannot be left alone without causing hazards

- theft (“stealing can be fun” -hyunjin)

- chaos reincarnate when younger, calmer (a bit) when older

- toph would also wear that shirt and pretend she didn’t know what it said even though sokka told her

heejin (artms/soloist) as suki

- i mostly thought of this because heejin and hyunjin are former loona members and good friends. which would make the scene where suki saves toph from drowning even funnier imo

- but also have you SEEN this woman’s muscles??? i have full confidence that heejin could handle her own in a fight

- every sapphic i know who’s seen atla had a crush on suki growing up and every sapphic loona stan i’ve met (which is most loona stans) has had a crush on heejin

- heejin’s lore in loonaverse is basically being a god and i personally equate that to suki

- also, they’re dorks

siyeon (dreamcatcher) as azula

- LITERALLY THE REASON I THOUGHT OF THIS POST (specifically vision era hello???) LOOK AT HER

- siyeon is at the scene of the crime like 90% of the time something chaotic happens in dreamcatcher so i can fully imagine her cosplaying azula and running around with sparklers or something

- she’s also very good at looking evil in mvs so i think she could play azula

- that scene in the deja vu music video right before the last chorus when fire shoots up from behind her? she’s literally a firebender

seonghwa (ateez) as zuko

- i know absolutely NOTHING about ateez aside from a couple of their title tracks but this man looks so much like siyeon i couldn’t resist

- idk i just feel like they’d be good at being the fire disaster siblings

- he also looks like he’d eat up the “the scar is not on the wrong side” line for some reason???

- was probably an angsty teenager at some point

miyeon (gidle) as ty lee

- nobody can out femme either of these two

- cute extroverts who could also be deadly (like imagine x-file miyeon during boiling rock)

- i feel like ty lee would LOVE doing dance challenges with anyone and everyone

bibi (soloist) as mai

- i am fully aware that bibi isn’t an idol but i couldn’t resist

- she just gives the mai vibes honestly. you know that trope where the guard asks the character to hand over all of their weapons and just stands there and stares as said character pulls out knives from everywhere? that is both bibi and mai

- bibi is also the queen of every concept so i fully believe she could probably play the entire cast of atla in a chaotic one-woman show

anyways i hope you enjoyed my chaos rambling and i kind of want to do this with other shows so if you liked this please leave me recommendations!

#atla #avatar the last airbender #tlok #avatar last airbender #katara #aang #avatar aang #sokka #toph beifong #atla suki #azula #zuko #mai #ty lee #seventeen #twice #stray kids #skz #loona #loossemble #artms #dreamcatcher #ateez #gidle #bibi #natla #netflix

[zvtara-was-never-canon]

Y'know there's a wrong assumption I made about this fandom. I thought that Azula stans are zutara shippers. Turns out they are mostly hard antis lol.

... Okay, not gonna lie, I can count on one hand how many zutara fans I met that didn't absolutely despise Azula, let alone like her, so I'm REALLY surprised that you thought that XD

Zutarians in particular tend to hate on Azula fans for whatever reason. I guess it's part of the "Zuko is an innocent, awkward turtleduck" thing. Azula was mean to Zuko and that's a sin, AND he actually chose to join her, "betraying" Katara (rejecting an offer of peace really) and then sending an assassin after her friends, so they have to go on and on about how Azula somehow forced/manipulated/ borderline mind-crontrolled him into doing all of that so it's not really HIS fault.

Pretty much the only people in the fandom that USUALLY are Azula stans are the ones that like a ship she's in - Tyzula, Maizula, Sokkla, etc. Because the only common thing between these tends to be "I like Azula", there's often a lot in fighting... especially because some of ships need to drastically change her personality to make it work (and I'm not talking redemption here, I mean full on replacing the character with an OC, like zutarians tend to do) and naturally the ones that don't do that end up raging at this "replacement."

I do get annoyed at fellow Azula fans every now and then because of that, AND because they suffer from the same condition the overwhelming majority of the ATLA fandom has: thinking some real basic, really popular take that most of the fandom (our the Azula fandom in this case) agrees with is a "hot take"

And there's the weirdos like me that suddenly show up to remind them what a "controversial" take really is and scar them for life (Warning: adult nonsense ahead) XD

#anti zutara #pro azula #zucest #not safe for what

[sokkastyles]

Do you know what I think is funny?

How a lot of the "progressive" discourse in the atla fandom often insists that we treat characters like Jet and Azula - super powered characters who exist in a fantasy world of villains and heroes - as children so they can't be held accountable for harming others, but then also insists that the normie families who would have been drowned by Jet flooding that village were not actually innocents because they were colonizers.

Really? A six year old who has no choice about where they live and were born because daddy's in the army can't be seen as innocent and deserves to die but teenage characters who have more power and agency than most adults and who willfully harm people should be seen as more innocent?

The reason for this discrepancy is mostly related to the fandom phenomenon of people mistakenly thinking their opinion is woke because it runs counter to what is considered popular, but it's really obvious that that's all it is when you look at this kind of example.

The ridiculous hate for Kiyi from Azula stans is another good example. I don't necessarily care for Kiyi one way or the other, but it's super funny when people go on and on about how Azula is a child and anyone who criticizes her hates children while hurling extreme vitriol at a literal child who is much closer to an actual child in the real world than Azula is, for the crime of being annoying or something.

I mean, it's okay to hate characters for being annoying, and it's also reasonable to care more about a character we spend more time with, like Jet, than some random kids we never see onscreen that might have been harmed by him, but be honest that that's what you're doing instead of trying to accuse the fandom of hating children.

#jet #azula #the discourse

[avatarfandompolice]

> Azula shouldn't have a weapon and know how to use one it's such deep misunderstanding of her character

Actually Azula who doesn't give a fuck about that she shouldn't be able to use any weapons and almost uses a shuriken after skillfully bringing it out of her sleeve when she can't bend in cannon. Probably using the skills she learnt from Ty Lee and Mai the whole episode.

I don't see any problem with her trying a bow, especially if it is Blue Spirit episode.

People just annoyed that their specialist boi Zuko doesn't seem so special for a second, without even knowing the context of her using the bow.

I literally do not care about what this does to Zuko’s character. The point where Azula literally cannot bend is irrelevant to the point being made. There is no point in the book 1 timeline where Azula can’t use firebending or lightning. Giving her a bow and arrow is just slapping a completely useless item on her to make a few nerds geek out. It’s like attaching a box cutter to the front of a tactical nuke. It does nothing, serves no advantage to the skill she already has, and is just a lazy addition.

Not against adaptations adding things nor am I asking for a 1:1 adaptation. Adding things that don’t make sense (let’s not forget Azula being this heavily featured at all in B1 is an unnecessary addition too) is a big red flag.

I am not an Azula stan. I am not a Zuko stan. I just want characters to make sense.

#atla #atla live action #ATLA Netflix #Azula #Zuko #let’s be real they’re doing this to save money on bending fx

[kideaternomnom]

Why are ATLA Tumblr takes genuinely so ass…Literally there’s nothing but bad takes I’ve seen on Tumblr mainly by Maiko defenders, both Zuko AND Azula stans, and some more. ☠️I love both Zuko and Azula don’t get me wrong but their fans on Tumblr are the worst and literally so braindead….😭

#avatar #avatar the last airbender #atla #atla fandom critical #atla fandom problems #azula #zuko #prince zuko #princess azula #firelord zuko #analysis #media literacy #idiot #oh brother #character analysis #azula stans are annoying #zuko stans are annoying #both zuko and azula defenders are annoying #bad takes

[jerktournament]

ROUND ONE - Stan Pines (Gravity Falls) VS Azula (Avatar the Last Airbender)

!!! PROPAGANDA BELOW !!!

STAN: "He runs a shitty tourist trap and scams people for a living. The entire town of Gravity Falls hates his guts for most of the series. He's a womanizer (well he tries to be. He gets slapped a lot for being a jerk). He's self-centered as hell. When he says goodbye to his beloved grandniece and nephew at the end of the series he says they were nothing but a nuisance while tearfully hugging them. Stan definitely has a heart of gold but he is a piece of shit annoying bastard first and foremost and I FUCKING adore him"

AZULA: "She's just mean (and also has many cases of attempted murder)"

#grunkle stan #azula #gravity falls #atla #stan pines #atla azula #princess azula #poll

[liliesforeveryfandom]

I'm curious, how many of these Azula stans are there? They seem to be everywhere, but it seems to me like a really vocal minority, which I sincerely hope is the case. But in your experience on Tumblr, do you think they're really widespread? I swear, if it turns out that most people believe their BS, it's gonna be the most annoying thing ever.

I first noticed it when I joined the fandom during the ATLA renaissance in late 2020. There was a popular post that labeled Iroh as misogynistic because he wasn’t willing to help Azula like he was with Zuko and assumed that she would like dolls. Frankly I think part of it comes from some new watchers trying to be unique and “not like other fans” by going against the established general consensus of the original fandom. This means no more believing that Zuko had the best redemption arc or that Iroh is a wise father-figure or that Katara’s compassion is a positive strength. I’m sure these behaviors existed before, but in my experience, it’s a lot more prevalent. They are vocal minorities, but it seems like these Azula stans seem get a kicker from going against the mainstream. Birds of a feather flock together, which can lead to echo chambers.

@sokkastyles brought up a good point that these Azula stans likely identify with Azula on a personal level, so they latch on and defend her indefensible actions. That’s why some of them will accuse you of ableism or sexism for criticizing Azula’s behavior, especially in the comics. They know they don’t really have a good case to make.

#azula critical

[comradekatara]

responding to @levitatingbiscuits reply here because this post is already way too fucking long and I am not subjecting your dashboards to all that, but I do think this conversation is interesting enough to continue it (albeit under the cut):

I agree that roach work’s comment was annoying, and if you were responding to that, I get why you said what you said. this person regularly adds replies to my posts that are completely unrelated to the original point I was making, effectively derailing my argument and getting a bunch of reblogs from their followers who don’t have the common sense to ignore their pointless (and in this case, editorializing) additions. but everyone reblogging my post with your addition attacked me in the notes, as if I had said/implied all that you were arguing against, when I quite literally did not. and they said some quite nasty things, as if I couldn’t see their comments! I don’t go seeking out ppl saying shit about me ever, but if you do it in my house, we’re gonna have a problem.

as for your points...

I 100% agree that defending katara against people who unfairly vilified her, especially during the [vomits] atla renaissance (netflix you will rue the day...) is justified! I quite literally said aloud just last night, “anyone who hates katara can die,” and I fully fucking meant it. I don’t know why you seem to think we don’t agree here. maybe because I don’t think the solution to combatting idiotic, racist & misogynistic fans is by extolling katara to the point where you can’t appreciate her for her flaws. her flaws make her who she is as much as her virtues, and I would never negate the depth of her character just because I love her. I don’t “stan” katara, I appreciate her as a character who inspired me as a child for her strength and growth and brilliance, who is stunningly well-written and compelling.

meanwhile, the older I get, the more I’ve come to appreciate sokka. yes, I too was obsessed with katara the moment she came onscreen, especially when she showed the full depth of her anger over sokka’s misogynistic comment. I’d literally never even seen misogyny addressed before, let alone been given permission to be angry with it. katara knows her worth, and that makes her so fucking important!!! and yes, I know what it’s like to raise misogynistic brothers; it’s a thankless job!

katara was immediately inspiring to me, but appreciating sokka and the full depth of his character has been something earned with time. i think it's incredibly easy to misread him, dismiss his underlying motivations, and just generally discard him for the sake of the more exciting and shiny characters (in my case katara, azula, toph, iroh. truly appreciating aang has also been something i needed to grow older to do, but i think the more my maternal instincts develop, the more i want to pinch his baby cheeks and wrap him up in a big hug and kiss his forehead and put him in my pocket... i digress). i have come to forgive sokka for his sexism, and even excuse it. does that mean i think katara isn't in the right to challenge patriarchal ideas? of course she fucking is! just because sokka was deeply misguided in his gender essentialist views for logical reasons (before meeting suki, that is) it's not like katara should excuse him for it. katara has every right to get mad, every time she gets mad, and i love that her anger is treated as a virtue, because it is! her anger is righteous and sympathetic and revolutionary. she is so fucking important.

by "delicate touch" i didn't mean "sokka isn't acting like an airport dad" because i would never deny his grumpiness. sokka can be a massive cunt most of the time, and i love that about him. he is a miserable, neurotic, curmudgeonly little freak, and frankly, that rules. i think we need more teenage jewish grandpa representation always.

^ literally sokka

i think by delicate touch (again, i wrote this post like 3 years ago, i don't even remember writing it) i just meant that as much as he does kvetch, he also knows how to engage them in a way that gets them to do what he wants. when he makes them go to the library, he frames it in their terms, as if he's taking a vacation (frankly, taking a vacation to a library is something i've actually done, and it was awesome, but we all know how their library excursion turned out, so, yknow). or just how the only time he ever actually even reveals like a fraction of his insecurities is in "sokka's master," because as much as he complains, he never actually wants to burden them with his internal problems (which is not why aang bottles up his shit, and i think we all know that). as much as he complains, he also tries as hard as possible to preserve their innocence whenever he can, especially when it comes to aang. he could've been way less indulgent of aang's antics, but he isn't, because he knows how important it is for aang to be a kid despite the enormous loss he's suffered. anyway, since i know how hard it is to wrangle twelve year olds and try to convince them to do something when they'd rather do something else, sokka is fucking jesus on the cross for that, and you can't change my mind.

and by "de facto chief" i don't mean that sokka was the one taking care of the whole tribe. obviously kanna and the other adults were the ones in charge of making sure the community functioned smoothly, because again, sokka was like thirteen, and thirteen years olds are fucking useless. what i meant was that sokka took what hakoda said to heart, and thus considered himself the first and last line of defense should the fire nation ever return. it's not remotely a reach to think sokka was prepared to die for katara, because a) his mother literally did and b) his father all but told him to? maybe he was just trying to placate his kid, because i really doubt hakoda would actually be in favor of letting his son get himself killed, but it's clear that sokka took that to heart in the way in which he prioritizes katara over everything else. also, it's clear that hakoda does respect sokka a lot. he calls him a "great warrior" and a "genius," and it's not in vain, sokka is those things! hakoda sees his son better than he sees himself.

and i would never claim that katara talks about her issues for attention or sympathy from others. that's absurd. anyone who does so is plain wrong. but empathizing with others isn't emotional labor, it's healing for her, it's cathartic. when she talks to haru, jet, zuko, hama, aang, etc. about her trauma, she's doing so from a place of healthy emotion and vulnerability wherein she is exchanging empathy between them, receiving comfort and comforting in return. sokka doesn't know how to do that, which is a shortcoming to be sure, but the fact that katara is so open about her trauma does signify that she never felt a need to bottle it up the way sokka clearly does. (i would argue sokka's arc in the entire "swamp" episode is about the spirits all but taunting him for being so repressed about his trauma, but that's for another post.)

sokka wanted a bag to carry supplies in, not because it was fashionable. he enjoys that the bag matches the belt he got from the earth rumble tournament (he had no intention of purchasing such a belt), but katara is the one who shows an interest in fashion. and to be clear, i'm not saying that sokka would immediately know how and what to forage in unfamiliar terrain; foraging is fucking hard, and that's when you already have any kind of guide. katara is definitely the one buying the groceries, i won't argue that. whenever sokka is in the vicinity of a grocer while wearing blue, they tend to dismiss him with outright hostility, while being much more sympathetic to katara. it's a running joke that throughout the earth kingdom adults are far kinder to katara than to sokka. but this isn't actually an issue when they're hiding out in the fire nation and both disguised in red, curious! i wonder why adults fed imperialist rhetoric their whole life might internalize the idea that a young water tribe girl is harmless whereas a water tribe boy is a threat to be treated with hostility... but yknow, it could also just be vibes. katara does generally have a more pleasant attitude. it could just be that. who can say!

as for "jet," as i've already stated, i don't think the gaang has a leader. but katara does grow to trust sokka's instincts more and more over the course of the show. and sokka only tells katara not to trust jet once he has evidence! he tells her that he beat up a harmless old man, and katara still takes jet's side, even though he's obviously lying. as for aang, i really don't think sokka's instincts not to trust a person who for all intents and purposes should not currently exist and suddenly waltzes into their life while ignoring their current reality are that contrived. katara thinks she's in a story that she is the narrator and hero of (which, metatextually speaking, is true), but sokka thinks he's in a war and is thus suspicious of magical little manic pixie dream boys. and not for nothing, aang does set off the fire nation flare that alerts zuko to the location of their village, so sokka's instincts were actually correct here, even if aang is of course an angel.

and katara calms aang down from the avatar state, what, twice? and once she's literally just talking to him from behind a rock. her act in "the desert" is 100% a testament to her bravery and the unique bond she shares with aang, i'm not denying that whatsoever. sokka simultaneously shields toph in this moment, which granted is far less dangerous than what katara does with aang, but is also a subtle moment that demonstrates the nature of his bond with her (i don't really have a point here, i just love aang & katara and sokka & toph's relationships). i don't remember katara comforting aang for burning her, i just remember her reasonably telling him that he can't let his guilt get in the way of learning firebending, and showing him that she's healed to calm him down. and the comics are stupid, so i'm not even gonna address this point. anyway. sokka does come to trust her to fight her own battles as the show goes on and she gets demonstrably stronger, but he still worries about her whenever she's in trouble, and would do anything to protect her. he's still her big brother.

katara's idealism is inspiring & beautiful & heroic. but yes, it is also naive. that's not even a bad thing! katara fighting to preserve her childhood wonder and innocence in the face of incalculable loss is deeply moving to me. aang and katara show sokka and toph how to become more awe-inspired and vulnerable over the course of the show. sokka never would've suggested a beach party in "sozin's comet" if not for aang and katara's influence. that's growth. but that doesn't mean that katara was right to trust zuko in the crystal catacombs, or that she was right to trust jet, or aunt wu, or hama. i understand why she trusts these people (especially jet and especially hama), and it's hardly a bad thing to see the potential good in everyone, but zuko's betrayal hits her so hard because she had mistakenly put so much faith in him right before he turned around and helped azula kill aang. of course she sees potential in both aang and zuko, though. she's the heart of the show, and they're both mirrors to her character in significant ways. sokka is not a part of this central thematic triad, and he doesn't care that he's in a story, he just wants to make sure that his friends and family don't get murdered. they have different narrative priorities, but katara's are admittedly much prettier.

also, of course sokka wouldn't say he sees himself as a sacrificial lamb. even if he realized this about himself (which i also don't think he does), he wouldn't say it. saying it would negate the entire point. but i do think it's justified by the text. katara clearly carries the guilt of knowing kya died for her, and it's what inspires her to try and be her own mother for herself and her family, and to be the best waterbender in the world. sokka doesn't have that guilt. while katara feels it her duty to remember, to carry on her mother's legacy so that her sacrifice was not in vain, sokka feels it his duty to repress, to tamp down any shred of humanity that is not relevant to the war and to making sure his sister isn't killed for who she is. i don't think it's a reach for him to want to emulate his parents in this regard, since he clearly idealizes them and their bravery in defending their home, their culture, and their family.

no, i don't think sokka acts like a mom or a dad or even a wacky uncle (a grandpa, maybe). my point was to illustrate how neither of them are parents. they may try to emulate their parents in many regards, but they are still both very much kids, who happen have both seen far too much for their years. and katara mourns kya differently (more, as she claims, which i believe to be true) because her death was deeply personal to katara, in a way that it just wasn't for sokka. like i said, sokka represses his trauma. he claims that he thinks about yue all the time, and yet he barely ever talks about her. a defining moment in his life, which is hakoda leaving him behind, is only revealed to us in a flashback that occurs while he's sitting quietly by the fire watching over katara and aang as they sleep. katara's way of mourning kya was to try to become her in her guilt over her sacrifice. do you really think sokka doesn't understand the implications of this?

sure, he dismisses the domestic labor she does, which sucks of him for sure, though i'd argue it's just as much his cerebral stem bro attitude that prioritizes ideas and theory over those little manual tasks as it is straight up sexism. but yeah, it sucks. i know very few men who appreciate the work that goes into those "feminine chores," and it's absolutely because what is categorized as feminine is devalued by society. but yes, i think if the binary established is between "mom" and "servant", sokka sees katara as someone who is simply better at feminine labor, and that's not great of him, but katara does enjoy being feminine, so i understand why he'd make that assumption, seeing as the only thing she doesn't seem to enjoy is doing his laundry for him, which, yknow, checks out. do your own laundry, sokka.

again, katara has a more personal connection to the events surrounding kya's death. it's why her saying "you didn't love her the way i did" is both deeply hurtful, and something she clearly believes to be true. what she really means is, "you didn't grieve her the way i did," and it's because sokka doesn't feel like his very existence was responsible for her death. "the southern raiders" is a deeply personal episode for katara, and zuko is the one who understands her trauma, more intimately than sokka can, because kya did not sacrifice herself for him, but ursa did with zuko.

and yes, katara's seemingly throwaway line about how she's lost her childhood innocence hits really hard. it's why she's so immediately drawn to aang. because she wants to have fun again, but no one is there to encourage her, certainly not her depressed as fuck brother who only cares about being a better warrior. aang and katara inspire each other to preserve their innocence and they get to be kids together, which is what makes their friendship such a beautiful thing.

katara has a lot of skills and roles sokka doesn't. he can't midwife, he can't heal (obviously), he can't shop for groceries in the earth kingdom without being abused by vendors. he could probably cook and sew if he set his mind to it (we never actually see katara clean, but we do see sokka clean appa) but katara seems pretty confident in those areas, so why step on her toes. but sokka also has a lot of skills and roles katara does not. he reads maps, makes schedules, strategizes in battles, helps invent new technology, is able to fight without bending, is able to sense red flags that katara refuses to see, etc etc. they balance each other out, both emotionally and practically. considering that they basically raised each other, and didn't have parents to do things for them, it makes sense that they each have their own skillset, and function as a codependent team.

"the desert" puts her in a new situation to show that she's the group's heart. not just the group's heart, but the show's heart. she is the narrative center. that's what i mean by "the desert" being a trial for katara. it's not that no one else will step up, it's that they can't. aang is in the first stages of experiencing an immense grief, toph is feeling guilty and scared and lost, and sokka's attempt to quench their thirst put him out of commission for the rest of the day (though granted, he was trying to be helpful). katara is always there. she will never give up on people who need her. that's a core tenet of her character, and it is what makes her not only so kind and giving, but also a revolutionary leader. it's why i think she should go on to be chief, because while sokka wants to be like hakoda, he's not actually a warrior at heart, but katara is an inspiration to many, and her connection with people and the way she sees the best in them is what makes her the pride and joy of her people, just as much as her waterbending skill.

toph and katara are both in the wrong in the chase. katara comes from a communal society where everyone pitches in, so she sees toph as a spoiled brat for not helping her. toph came from a family that acted as if she was useless and helpless, so she thinks by letting every member of the group carry their own weight, she is affording them the basic respect her parents did not afford to her. it's a classic miscommunication, which escalates because katara and toph are both very loud, assertive middle schoolers who don't enjoy compromising their beliefs. they eventually do, which we see illustrated in the spa episode. but katara clearly wants to go to the spa and enjoys every second of it, she's just taking toph with her because she thinks toph needs a shower. for the most part, they both have a good time, katara because she enjoys feminine activities and relaxing, toph because she likes mud and spending time with her friends, and both of them because they got to do violence to some mean girls.

aang also gets mad at toph because he's prone to take katara's side in arguments, and also she insults appa, which is the final straw for him, even though toph is fully right about appa's shedding being how azula tracks them. toph leaves because she thought she was joining people who would make her feel respected, but they don't. katara literally mocks toph for being blind. i also got bullied for being disabled when i was their age, and i don't blame toph for not taking that shit. it's downright cruel. iroh helps her adjust her perspective, but ultimately sokka is the one who makes her feel most welcomed and seen, and while she loves katara and aang, it's clear that sokka is her best friend. he's also the only one who doesn't interfere in their fight in "the chase" (because he knows there's no winning against two extremely stubborn, sleep-deprived powerhouses).

katara didn't sacrifice her childhood for the sake of her family, her childhood was robbed from her. there's a crucial difference. she doesn't sacrifice her own emotional needs to comfort others, she engages in fruitful dialogues. the only person she actually sacrifices anything for is aang, you're right, and i do think that's extremely important as an aspect of her character. she believes in the power of the avatar, and she loves aang deeply. it's why if aang is the soul of the show, she is the heart.

zuko isn't a dad to aang, that's just a ridiculous thing to say, sorry. i don't think sokka is a dad to aang either, if anything they're brothers. zuko acts as a brother to aang and katara too. he's their older, grumpy, kind of an airhead, kind of a jerk brother. sort of like sokka 2: electric boogaloo, except unlike sokka, he's a wide-eyed idealist just like they are! idk where i was going with this. my point is i love this trio. lol

you're right to criticize what roach works said, but you were wrong not to specify the target of your criticism. just because someone adds a dumbass comment on my post doesn't mean i endorse it. and just because i make a post appreciating sokka doesn't mean i don't love katara. i mean, i think it should be pretty obvious that i love her a lot. it seems like we grew up in fairly similar circumstances, and while i know what it's like to grow up with a cerebral math bro misogynist brother who gets far more credit for doing far less work and is utterly fucking useless at taking care of himself, that doesn't mean i resent sokka, a fictional character, for whatever commonalities they may share.

katara and sokka are both flawed, multi-dimensional, well-written fictional characters, and i've given a lot of thought to their motivations, nuances, and the unspoken symbolic undertones of their dynamic and its relation to the themes of the narrative. we don't have to agree on what every unspoken detail signifies, but i don't appreciate being misinterpreted, and i especially don't appreciate the implication that i don't love katara, because i absolutely fucking do, with my whole heart, and anyone can see that. she means a lot to me!!! her virtues, her strengths, her flaws, and her failures. she doesn't have to be perfect to be amazing. in fact, if she were perfect, i doubt she'd be amazing at all.

#analysis #katara #sokka #katara&sokka #aang&katara #katara&zuko #might turn a lot of these points into longer analyses eventually #since this is really scattered considering it's just a response to a response to a response of some annoying mf #who loves leaving annoying ass comments on my posts #pour one out...... #(to be clear im talking abt the roach guy. not the biscuit guy) #literally read this reply at 7 am and then spent the next 4.5 hours responding to it????? procrastination is a hell of a drug....... #also being-right-itis. which i do need to be cured of. but not today!!!!!! #anyway im putting this under the cut so hopefully no one sees this and takes it as incentive to harass this person???? which shouldnt need #to be said but i do have way too many followers on here statistically speaking some of u MUST be freaks #sigh. #anyway i hate how widespread the term headcanon is even when what ppl really mean in that context is 'interpretation' #headcanon =/= interpretation #and anyway it seems like we mostly agree #so i think this convo should end here on a cordial note in which we agree on most things and agree to disagree on notes of interpretation #because otherwise we're just going in circles #and there's really no point to that

[survivalove]

Different anon here. Honestly I find Zuko to be a meh character in general. His temper tantrums are annoying.🙄At least when Katara's angry it's for good reason like standing up for herself and others and getting Toph to contribute more to the group. (Also, Im pretty sure she and Aang have apologized to people more than Zuko has). If it wasn't for his relationship with his gf, Mai, and Azula I wouldn't pay attention to him. Also, his stans want him to be Aang so bad (more powerful bender/more feminist/Katara's favorite person) instead of appreciating him as he is. It's pathetic.😂

lol. I just don’t like him which is why I filter his tags so I don’t have to see or speak on his character too much. even then, tumblr’s failed algorithm and his loser fans still plague me which is why I log on here less.

as a kid, I just found him boring and as an adult, nasty. people wanna like him? great! do it without twisting the canon into something that it’s not. and preferably far away from my page 🙏🏿

it’s crazy how i have like 40 followers and they still camp on my page or stalk the anti tags to fight like get a grip

#my asks #anti zuko #antizuko

[lady-of-the-spirit]

Azula stans are quickly becoming super fucking annoying to me if they weren't already.

#i'm saying stuff #someone on tiktok posted smth about azula sending suki to the boiling rock (clearly sympathetic to suki) #and the comments are half ppl saying azula i love you still!! like shut up this isn't about her!!!