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myfaveisfuckable · 4 months

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Tuvok:

Ok, first off: real world standards, he's not normal passing. Apart from the ears, he's just too autistic (sorry, "Vulcan" 🙄) to be considered "normal looking". He went to 1990s earth once and Did Not Pass as normal. But in universe, he would on the surface seem like a model Vulcan. And he is, kinda. But he's also so gd weird. (/aff)

Not even gonna get into how badly he wants to be Will Graham because obviously that's there too but we don't have all day. Anyway.

Obvs the emotions struggle is real as it is for any Vulcan worth paying attention to, if only because they were all only ever written by humans.

But also, tangential to him being Will Graham coded (but still separate enough) he is a total mind slut. You know how some characters will go "when I have a problem, I set it on fire" or shit like that? When Tuvok has a problem, he mind melds with it. Homoerotically if it's an option. Dude even got a mind std one time, despite the fact that's not even a thing.

And then whatever the fuck kinda thing he has going on with Janeway. Not even necessarily in a shippy way ("not romantic, not platonic, so devoted the lines blur") but like... not only is he unreasonably loyal to her but he does shit like not only letting her touch him whenever she wants but *deliberately offering her HIS HAND to hold* to comfort her when she needs it (reminder that hand touching is very intimate to Vulcans and can be likened to human kissing) and again, they're never even stated as romantic or anything, they're just friends and yet he is more loyal to her than he is to his own code of ethics.

Obviously part of all of it could be because Janeway (or possibly Kate Mulgrew) is simply Like That, she does do shit like tell her platonic subordinate "then be a good rat and find us the cheese" in a tone that makes me lose it, but it's not all her, Tuvok is also extremely not normal about it. I should submit Janeway too actually, I'll do her next.

Also, afaik Tuvok is the only crew member of Voyager (who makes it back) who had a romantic partner before the ship got lost in the Delta quadrant and remained loyal the entire seven years they were lost. I *think* Samantha Wildman also did but she's a minor character (so she could've been getting it off screen) and she started out pregnant so once born Naomi both kept her busy and was a living reminder of her husband's love. So in that regard, Tuvok is very much not normal but like in the most positive way. He literally didn't cheat on his wife even when his life was in danger (they *were* out there for seven years so of course he hit pon farr eventually) and I think that's really cool of him. But also very not normal.

I'm very tired rn but once the polls come out, simply check out the blog of Bea @bumblingbabooshka (wanna clarify, I'm not him but he is THE Tuvok blogger in my opinion) who has written much on this already.

There's also the whole stuff that happened around his monestary era but I'm not even at that part yet but it must've been wild.

Anyway. Vote Tuvok

Janeway:

- will literally martyr herself at the drop of a hat

- will kill you if she thinks it's what she needs to do for her crew

- will not kill you if she thinks you've got residue humanity after decades as a borg drone even though realistically she really should've (tho ofc we're all glad she didn't)

- will violate your personal rights if she thinks you're not "human" enough and also compare you to a replicator (yes I'm still salty about that. wait what was the question? right, i'll get back on track)

- will say absolutely deranged shit like "then be a good rat and find us the cheese" in the a tone that makes me lose my mind and basically give everyone a crush on her (and also mommy issues) if they spend too long in her vicinity, leading to a very loyal crew

- her solution to having a crush on a fictional character was to delete his wife (very relatable but also very not normal)

- she wanted to watch hot Q on Q sex (possibly for scientific reasons) and looked very disappointed when it was severely underwhelming

- WHO brings a bathtub on a spaceship???

- there's more but y'know

#poll #tournament

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screamingay · 1 year

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emh saying a 2 day research trip with tuvok would be boring and seven saying she wouldn't have a problem. just autistic things

#tuvoyager #i wish the whole episode was just the two of them sitting in silence. parallel play

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autismtrek · 1 year

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#star trek top autistic character poll #star trek tng #star trek voyager #tuvok #reginald barclay #star trek

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theydjarin · 5 months

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My parents have been watching voyager a lot lately, and I know it's one that gets a lot of hate but I highly recommend it because Captain Janeway is competant, hot, and bold. Also the principal from icarly is Tuvok and he's great. Seven of nine is an autistic queen and I get a little bit gayer everytime I look at her tbh

I honestly never got into Voyager though I watched a decent chunk of it - love Janeway tho 😍 You'll be happy to know that Seven is canonically queer and has a girlfriend in one of the modern shows !!

#abc-mulan #cap.ask

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autisticandroids · 1 year

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various tos/tng/ds9/voy/ent "spock" type characters and whether they could hang out with cas.

tos:

spock: could not hang out with cas. they would have nothing to talk about and also, despite being gay, spock is homophobic.

tng:

i'm gonna save tng for last because these are the most interesting answers.

ds9:

odo: they would get along fine, but i think odo would get bored talking to cas. also, cas is a serial killer, and not fun or mysterious about it.

there are a number of other characters on ds9 you could claim as a spock in various ways, but imo the only one who merits inclusion here is julian bashir, who imo isn't really a spock, his closest srchetypal compatriot is like, tom paris, but i think he bears mention anyway.

julian bashir: he would get bored with cas. julian likes people he can solve, or chase, or win approval from. failing that, he likes people who will unreservedly adore him and think he's the coolest guy ever when he shows off how clever he is. cas is not the guy.

voy:

tuvok: i think tuvok would be glad to hang out with someone who isn't bullying him for once, and also i doubt tuvok is homophobic because it's like a hundred and fifty years after tos, but they don't have much in common, and also imo tuvok is a genuine loner, not just awkward, so he wouldn't really wanna hang out too much, especially since he doesn't already know cas. cas is a lot more social and would feel kind of rejected by tuvok's lack of interest.

seven: they don't have much in common on the surface, but more importantly the things they do have in common are so overarchingly horrible and miserable that if they actually had a serious talk they would both have breakdowns.

the emh: they would get along like a house on fire at first because cas has a lot of patience and the emh will hang out with anyone as long as they'll pay attention to him, but even cas has limits.

voy has other arguable spocks but i'm going to stick with these three.

ent:

i don't remember super well because i watched it all when i was like ten years old and i've only seen sporadic episodes since then.

t'pol: if cas could get her to open up to him he would enjoy hearing about her many issues. on the other hand, she is homophobic. you win some you lose some.

phlox: they would have a fun little time together! cas could learn the names of all of phlox's pets!

if there's other spocks on ent i don't remember them.

tng, for real this time:

data: i think data would murder cas. i think cas would drive data absolutely up the wall batshit crazy. because the think about cas is he's like data, but he's stupid. he's bad at it. data pours all of his energy into being 110% palatable and charming and entertaining at all times. he's a living party trick desperate for human approval, and he's also always carefully and machiavellianly calculating everything he does socially to both perform palatability and accomplish his goals. and then along comes cas who is like, also autistic, but dumb, and bad at compensating, and making data look bad by comparison. i think data would Kill.

worf: i think they could genuinely be like, friends. like the thing about worf is that he is very lonely and wants to spend time with people but the social activities he likes engaging in are sitting in the same room silently reading books together, sitting in the same room silently listening to opera together, silently exercising in the same room together, sparring, and excitedly explaining/participating in his special interests. cas would enjoy all of these things, and worf would respect him and value him in return. cas also, by being kind to worf and treating him like a person (rare), would unlock secret perks like occasional extremely awkward but sincere affection. also cas can definitely beat worf in single combat which is a perk for worf generally speaking and would start them off on a positive note.

#spn #star trek

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existentialbogwitch · 9 days

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I love Star Trek, but Star fleet is not very inclusive.

I’m watching the episode of voyager, season 1 ep 16 where they try to force the Maquii crew members to undergo training and it feels so gross.

Maybe the reality is that most of humanity tends not to be instilled inclusive of differences and disabilities.

Instead of listening to their own crew air their grievances, Chakotay comes in and just punches him in the face to prove a point?

There are so many other better ways that situation could have been handled.

I definitely have PDA and watching people being forced to conform to rules and regulations makes me intensely uncomfortable.

It is the one aspect of star fleet that I do not like.

I imagine if I were in star fleet, I would survive by being some sort of bizarre combination of Mariner, Ezri Dax, Counselor Troi, Seven of Nine, and Belanna.

The only way I’m able to keep the intense rage I feel when I witness something that feels “unfair” is by engaging in intense emotional regulation and reminding myself that even people I disagree with deserve compassion and respect.

It is a complicated thought process that I must endure constantly or allow my rage to boil over and affect my actions in ways that do not align with my personal values for how I want to live my life.

I highly recommend DBT therapy if you have struggled with emotional regulation.

Since learning more tools to help myself emotionally regulate and choose to mindfully act from a place of integrity and empathy, I find it much easier to interact with the world.

I have also found that my desire to directly interface with other humans has decreased dramatically.

I am very sensitive to interaction with others face to face and can easily get overwhelmed.

I like myself best when I can regulate my emotions and act from a place that aligns with my values.

In order to do this, it means that I cannot participate in many activities others find enjoyable.

Namely, eating out at restaurants and going to bars.

Both of these activities are incredibly disregulating for me, but I will endure them if I must for the sake of ease - I live with my family and do not have a place of my own to invite people over. I do not feel comfortable having other people in my house around my family because there is a lot of tension in my household.

I know I’m autistic, whether I have a diagnosis or not.

Getting a diagnosis won’t actually change anything about my life because there are no supports available for adults. I would not be able to survive on disability alone, and I can work relatively ok as long as it’s in an environment I have some control over. And that I work alone or with someone one on one.

I have never tried teaching in a larger classroom because I do not think I have the ability to discipline students and I don’t want that responsibility.

Something that has really stuck with me lately is Tuvok saying “do not mistake composure for ease.”

#Star Trek #voyager #diability #personal #autism #mental illness #rant

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autisticburnham · 9 months

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📌🏳️‍🌈 Voyager (hyperfixation asks)

📌 How did you find it?

I don't remember ever hearing anything about Voyager in particular before I got into Star Trek, but I watched it initially just as part of my watchthrough of all Star Trek. And I got into Trek in general because general pop culture knowledge made me think I'd like it, so I looked it up on Netflix, immediately doubled over laughing at the special effects, and have loved it ever since

🏳️‍🌈 Any diverse headcanons?

Tuvok and Seven autism gang! Honestly, you could call any of them autistic and I'd say yes. I don't have a specific headcanon for B'elanna, but she's absolutely queer. Tom and Harry are obviously psychosexually obsessed with each other; I think Harry's gay and Tom's bi. I know Jeri Ryan has called Seven pan but she's a nonbinary lesbian to me. None of her romances with men are even kinda believable.

Holy shit, I talk about Barbie too much. My phone just autocorrected men to Ken

#voy

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tea-earl-grey · 4 months

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character ask game: seven of nine and b'elenna torres

from this ask game

thanks for asking! since i'm procrastinating anyways i'm just gonna go through all the questions and put a cut because uh. this will be long :)

Seven of Nine:

1. Why do you like or dislike this character?

I'm always obsessed with characters struggling with humanity/personhood and Seven is the character to me that best exemplifies that struggle in addition to having so many complex narratives about trauma and guilt that are surprisingly well explored despite Voyager's tendency to avoid any serialized elements. plus Jeri Ryan's acting really sells it.

2. Favorite canon thing about this character?

her autistic swag. no but actually her bluntness and willingness to challenge others (particularly Janeway) is really refreshing and adds some great conflict to Voyager.

3. Least favorite canon thing about this character?

going to cop out and say the costuming lmao. it bothers me so fucking much and in my head Seven's been wearing science blues on Voyager since s4.

4. If you could put this character in any other media, be it a book, a movie, anything, what would you put them in?

i think Seven in any Doctor Who media would be really fascinating maybe specifically paired with the Eighth or Ninth Doctor? i think a lot of her problems around guilt and inhumanity are thoroughly explored in Doctor Who but she would also challenge the Doctor well when it comes to violence and whether the ends justify the means.

5. What's the first song that comes to mind when you think about them?

Machine by Regina Spektor

6. What's something you have in common with this character?

a fear of intimacy and insecurity about letting people around you know the real me... oh dear. on a more uplifting side, all of Seven's interactions with Tuvok really remind me of me and my dad. autism for the win.

7. What's something the fandom does when it comes to this character that you like?

idk how widespread it is but i love thinking of Seven as a physically disabled character and her post-Voyager having to navigate medical systems that are openly hostile (if not downright dangerous) and her eventually finding that it's easier to be in pain and patch injuries together by herself than trusting others.

8. What's something the fandom does when it comes to this character that you despise?

hmmm i don't think this is true on tumblr rn but i've read some older fic and posts that just comes off as weirdly infantilizing just because she isn't great with social interactions. (it's also just a larger problem of infantilizing neurodivergent coded characters).

9. Could you be roommates with this character?

tbh yeah? i think Seven might get annoyed at my tendency to leave clutter around and i might get annoyed at her tendency to mess around with things without telling people but i think we could pretty easily agree on boundaries and stick to them.

10. Could you be best friends with this character?

i would love to try but realistically i think both of us are too wary of social situations to actually be close friends.

11. Would you date this character?

if Seven asked me on a date then i would say yes but also i'm arospec and Seven has way too many relationship issues going on so that would not last.

12. What's a headcanon you have for this character?

Seven cut off all contact with Voyager's crew after Icheb died because of her guilt over his death except for Naomi who she sent a message to on every birthday.

13. What's an emoji, an emoticon and/or any symbol that reminds you of this character or you think the character would use a lot?

gonna be honest the last thing i associate with Seven are emojis so... none?

14. Assign a fashion aesthetic to this character.

maybe a bit predictable but i would love a steampunk redesign of Seven.

15. What's your favorite ship for this character? (Doesn't matter if it's canon or not.)

Seven/Raffi!! they have a great combination of being actually cute and having tons of unresolved conflict and some parallels (i.e. Seven accidentally causing her sort-of-son's death because she tried to be in an intimate relationship vs Raffi pushing her son away because she was too focused on her career and Doing the Right Thing). i really wish their relationship was a bigger part of Picard (particularly s3) and we didn't keep having them break-up offscreen and then ambiguously get back together like their relationship felt like such an afterthought and i realllllly hope we get some show or movie or even a book where Seven and Raffi get to be lead characters together.

16. What's your least favorite ship for this character?

Seven/Shaw is one of my few hated ships. if you like it then sure whatever i don't really care but i'm incredibly uninterested in shipping characters where one repeatedly deadnames the other and is just generally rude and dismissive. i actually really like their canon dynamic, i think Shaw is a great semi-antagonist for Seven with good narrative purpose and i dig the begrudging respect he eventually has for her but I Do Not ship it.

17. What's a ship for this character you don't hate but it's not your favorite that you're fine with?

Seven/B'Elanna. it's not something i really picked up on watching voyager and i'm not super interested in it but i definitely see how it could work and be a good dynamic! i'm not a b7 shipper but i support their beliefs.

18. How about a relationship they have in canon with another character that you admire?

admire is a strong word (and tbh i don't think i admire any of Seven's relationships, she's an absolute mess on that front) but i'm fascinated by Janeway and Seven's relationship. it was obviously written to be a mentor & student dynamic but so much of it is fucked up in a really compelling way (with some strong sapphic vibes going on) with Janeway essentially forcing Seven to be human and presuming to know who Seven should be and then acting surprised when Seven isn't her perfect protege (even echoing the control the Borg Queen has over the Collective. sorry i just watched Dark Frontier the other day so that's fresh in my mind). i would die to see them have a scene in Picard era because there's just so much to get into.

19. How about a relationship they have in canon that you don't like?

Seven & the EMH. in the Voyager of version that exists in my head, they have a good dynamic and friendship and i generally politely ignore some of the later canon stuff but yeah... not a fan of the Doctor's crush on her that just ends up falling into a very objectifying "older man is in love with his young female student" dynamic in seasons 6 and 7.

20. Which other character is the ideal best friend for this character, the amount of screentime they share doesn't matter?

i'm forever bitter than Seven and Hugh didn't have A SINGLE SCENE together. especially because the actors are actual friends! injustice! Seven and Hugh would be so cool together as they've shared so many of the same experiences but came out of them as very different people – Hugh choosing to be kind in the face of hatred and help the xBs vs Seven running away from the problem so she doesn't have to face her past. but yeah. Hugh is ideal best friend material.

21. If you're a fic writer and have written for this character, what's your favorite thing to do when you're writing for this character? What's something you don't like?

hm. i've mostly written (incomplete) stuff for Picard-era Seven and i really like to hone in on smaller movements and specify that they're very purposeful and planned because Seven has spent so long practicing "looking" and behaving human enough as a survival tactic (same thing with the way she speaks) and i love having her movements and speech pattern fall back to her earlier self when she's stressed or focused on something else.

something i don't like is that i have a hard time capturing her internal monologue and the way she views the world, particularly with Voyager-era Seven) as it always ends up coming out either too robotic or too human.

22. If you're a fic reader, what's something you like in fics when it comes to the character? Something you don't like?

hmmm i really like fics that explore some of the darker body horror type nature of the xBs (and particularly Seven) and i tend to get annoyed with stories (including canon ones) that erase the fact that part of her is still Borg.

23. Favorite picture of this character?

i do love the screencap that's my current icon (from The Haunting of Deck 12) but s1 Picard Seven is my favorite look of hers and particularly this shot is just. very good.

24. What other character from another fandom of yours that reminds you of them?

oh this is an incredibly obscure pull but Compassion from the Eighth Doctor Adventure books who is a clone that's been recycled so many times that she's lost any resemblance to the person she was based on and has to struggle with not being a real person in a way that reminds me a lot of Seven.

25. What was your first impression of this character? How about now?

awhile before i started watching Voyager i had a friend who kept telling me how much i would like Seven (they guessed correctly) and from them i knew a) she was queer b) she was a badass c) she struggled with the idea of humanity which... again. is exactly my type of character and my impression hasn't majorly changed other than realizing that she is a much more nuanced and complex character than i originally thought.

B'Elanna Torres:

1. Why do you like or dislike this character?

i love B'Elanna! she's just a good character who has so much internal strife but tries to be strong and not let anyone know that she's in pain which is tragic but i am a tragedy enjoyer first and foremost.

2. Favorite canon thing about this character?

i think the sadness she has, especially when she's alone and there's no one to argue with, is so compelling and Roxann Dawson plays her really well. i also love that she's shown as very competent and and intelligent but didn't graduate from the Academy and doesn't have a particular love of Starfleet unlike 95% of other Star Trek characters.

3. Least favorite canon thing about this character?

because of the all (or at least mostly) white writers i think her character often leans into some unfortunate "fiery/angry Latina" stereotypes that's not recognized enough because it's always under the guise of "oh well it's because she's Klingon" but like. assigning undesirable personality traits to races, even if fictional, is. still racist.

4. If you could put this character in any other media, be it a book, a movie, anything, what would you put them in?

I'm not huge into Star Wars but I think B'Elanna would thrive joining the rebels in the original trilogy.

5. What's the first song that comes to mind when you think about them?

it might be the fact that i'm currently listening to this song but Mama by My Chemical Romance.

6. What's something you have in common with this character?

i think we both have a tendency to doubt our ability to do things that we're good at when faced with people who might be more qualified but less talented but i love how quickly B'Elanna does gain confidence in her abilities in s1 and 2 and i hope to follow in her footsteps.

7. What's something the fandom does when it comes to this character that you like?

i have a lot of respect for the closeted lesbian B'Elanna headcanons i must say.

8. What's something the fandom does when it comes to this character that you despise?

idk if this is a widespread fandom take or not but i always dislike the idea that B'Elanna would remain in Starfleet post-Voyager. like the show itself kind of forgets that the Maquis crew on Voyager still has some pretty big beef with the Federation (for good reason) and i don't think she would ever want to join Starfleet unless they have some systemic changes.

9. Could you be roommates with this character?

i think we would definitely have certain habits that would annoy each other but like with Seven, i feel like if we came up with some boundaries both of us would stick to them and it would work out.

10. Could you be best friends with this character?

we have very different personalities that would clash a bit too much to be best friends but i think we would get along.

11. Would you date this character?

again, probably not more just because i'm aro and not super interested in dating and B'Elanna deserves someone better than me.

12. What's a headcanon you have for this character?

after returning from the Delta Quadrant, B'Elanna opens an engineering shop where she rehabs old ships (with or without Tom).

13. What's an emoji, an emoticon and/or any symbol that reminds you of this character or you think the character would use a lot?

i think B'Elanna would respond to a lot of messages with just the middle finger🖕

14. Assign a fashion aesthetic to this character.

B'Elanna would rock 90s grunge fashion so hard.

15. What's your favorite ship for this character? (Doesn't matter if it's canon or not.)

hmmm i thought about this for awhile and honestly i just can't really think of a ship that makes sense for her because she deserves much better than the canon characters she interacts with.

16. What's your least favorite ship for this character?

i've seen B'Elanna/Chakotay around a few times and... no. not for me please.

17. What's a ship for this character you don't hate but it's not your favorite that you're fine with?

B'Elanna/Seven (as I said in Seven's section)

18. How about a relationship they have in canon with another character that you admire?

i generally like B'Elanna & Chakotay's canon relationship (with a few notable exceptions where things get weird) and i think Chakotay is such a good mentor figure for her as someone who shares the same political ideology but is older and wiser and knows better than to act only out of anger.

19. How about a relationship they have in canon that you don't like?

B'Elanna/Tom and it's not that i don't think the characters could work together, there are a few moments from the show and people's fanons or whatnot that have a lot of potential. and there's so much potential inherent in two characters with a lot of issues that they tend to hide with humor or aggression or whatever who are now forced to indefinitely be part of this crew/family. however i hate that all of their interactions are plagued with 90s sexism and always shown from Tom's perspective of how much he struggles being in a relationship and remembering to pay attention to B'Elanna as if that's just. an expected part of being in a relationship rather than a problem that needs to be resolved. and so many episodes focus on their relationship problems and we rarely get to see them being happy so it comes off feeling like they're trapped in an unhappy marriage.

20. Which other character is the ideal best friend for this character, the amount of screentime they share doesn't matter?

B'Elanna and Harry! they have such a good dynamic in s1 with Harry being the embodiment of Starfleet idealism and B'Elanna being so jaded towards Federation idealism and Harry over time developing his own Problems and B'Elanna beginning to resolve her issues. i wish we got more of them together!

21. If you're a fic writer and have written for this character, what's your favorite thing to do when you're writing for this character? What's something you don't like?

i haven't written any fic for B'Elanna yet so i'll just skip this one

22. If you're a fic reader, what's something you like in fics when it comes to the character? Something you don't like?

tbh i haven't read much B'Elanna fic. i'll get around to it! i've only been a Voyager fan for like 6 months.

23. Favorite picture of this character?

i love her curly hair from the beginning of s6 sooooo much

24. What other character from another fandom of yours that reminds you of them?

Clara from Doctor Who (specifically in s9). they both have some deep insecurities that they try to cover up with quips and deflection. they're also both very clever but don't necessarily think through their actions and have a tendency to throw themselves into danger.

25. What was your first impression of this character? How about now?

tbh i didn't really have a strong opinion about any of the Voyager characters when i first started the show and kind of expected B'Elanna to fall into the mixed (alien) race stereotype of torn between two worlds and some of the accompanying racist tropes but tbh B'Elanna became a much deeper character than i ever expected both with exploring the tension of her heritage and internalized racism (Barge of the Dead & Lineage come to mind) but also exploring her mental health (Extreme Risk) and how her character reveals some of the issues inherent in the Federation's existence. i just wish that Voyager did more and was willing to create a more complete arc for her that doesn't leave some stuff like her self harming behaviors and grief over the Maquis alone after one episode. i also didn't expect her to be probably the most competent engineer in all of Star Trek but i maintain that she is.

#ask game #voyager #seven of nine #b'elanna torres #my posts

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