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#are you complaining that people dislike you because you are religious
morecoffee · 3 months
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“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It’s almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.
Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn."
Dave Barnhart
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The “unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.
- Methodist Pastor David Barnhart
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b3achysurfur · 1 month
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logan hcs bc I like him now or sm
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- once while practicing with a BB gun he actually hit a bird (it was completely fine) but he nursed it in his grandparents green house for a week before they found it and forced him to let it back into the wild
- he’s not much of a picky eater, but he hates fluffy eggs
- if served fluffy eggs at a friend’s house, he’ll eat it without complaining and try to convince himself it’s the best thing he’s ever eaten in his entire life
- he’s the type to try n do mini work-outs in his room, get embarrassed when someone walks in on it, and never attempt it again
- use to be deathly afraid of teletubbies as a kid
- feeds the ducks at the local lake because he dislikes when people give them bread instead (it’s bad for their health)
- rants to ben about space while ben doodles planets, stars, n astronauts in his sketchbook
- Logan’s the typa of guy you can vent to over text n get the kindest and most supportive response from, but if you try it in person he just awkwardly smiles while patting your shoulder saying sm like “it’ll get better… probably?”
- lowkey feel like he is/use to be a religious Christian
- despite being Christian, he tries his best to fast with aiden and Ben during Ramadan #christanmuslimsolidarity✊
- to add onto the last one, he probably corrects the both of them when they accidentally do smth haram (he DEFINITELY mispronounces “astaghfirullah”)
- will info dumps about the most random topic you can think of
- he will die in the upcoming chapters?
- he will die in the upcoming chapters?
- he will die in the upcoming chapters?
- he will die in the upcoming chapters?
- he can’t ride a bike, although Tyler and Taylor have tried to teach him
- he was pretty social as a kid, just awkward n couldn’t make fast connections with others which led him to becoming shy over time
- he CANNOT DANCE 🙅‍♀️🙅‍♀️
Logan’s js a boy in the world mannn. honestly, send peace to Logan
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kit-walk3r · 1 year
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The Evans’ dating profiles
The dating profiles for Tate, Kit, Kyle (and FrankenKyle), Jimmy, James, Rory, Kai, Austin and Peter featuring their likes, dislikes, interests and favourite pick up lines.
Tate
Likes: girls with parent issues, girls with no friends, girls who like birds
Dislikes: popular people, happy people, parents
Interests: crying, death, hating his mother
Favourite pick up line: on a scale of 1 to 10, you're a 9 and I'm the 1 you need
Kit
Likes: happy people, maternal women, women who can make a delicious first course
Dislikes: people who hate children, racist people, people who complain about gas prices
Interests: family time, getting high, polyamorous marriage
Favourite pick up line: know what’s on the menu? Me ‘n’ u
Frat Kyle
Likes: girls with good music taste, kind people, girls who don’t talk about themselves
Dislikes: selfish people, rich people, Toto haters
Interests: helping people, partying, defending Toto
Favourite pick up line: if you were a vegetable, you’d be a cute-cumber
FrankenKyle
Likes: Zoe
Dislikes: Not Zoe
Interests: Zoe, playing with dogs
Favourite pick up line: this road goes two ways
Jimmy
Likes: almost everything
Dislikes: prejudice people, clowns
Interests: tupperware parties, family, having emotional breakdowns
Favourite pick up line: knock-knock.
Who's there?
When where.
When where who?
Tomorrow night, my house, you
James
Likes: women who enjoy murder, non-judgmental women, loyalty
Dislikes: women sensitive to death, religious people, modern day slang
Interests: murder, training people to murder, more murder
Favourite pick up line: the sparkle in your eyes is so bright; the sun must be jealous
Rory
Likes: people who’ve seen his movies, british accents, older women
Dislikes: nothing
Interests: himself, hot tubs, brad pitt movies
Favourite pick up line: are you from Tennessee? Because you're the only 10 I see
Kai
Likes: women who do what he says, women who will have his baby, occasionally men
Dislikes: independent women, women who won’t make him a sandwich, democrats
Interests: world domination, cults, trolling people online
Favourite pick up line: I lost my virginity. Can I have yours?
Austin
Likes: fun people, sweet tasting people, Dolly Parton fans
Dislikes: talentless people, people with a bad blood type, people with morals
Interests: karaoke, musicals, searching the internet for victims
Favourite pick up line: I would take you to the movies, but they don’t let you bring your own snacks
Peter
Likes: people with good music taste, fun people, people who can withstand whiplash
Dislikes: slow people, people who always obey the rules, people who follow the speed limit
Interests: kleptomania, running from the cops, Pac-Man
Favourite pick up line: you must be tired because you've been running through my mind all night
Colin
Likes: older women, strong women, people who listen to him
Dislikes: criminals, people who use him, people who don’t let him eat his bagel before delivering bad news
Interests: solving crimes, eating at nice restaurants, hanging out with his mum
Favourite pick up line: I hope you know CPR, because you just took my breath away
•———•
I’m taking requests!
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sher-ee · 1 month
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“The “unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn.
You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe.
Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”
Methodist Pastor David Barnhart
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brightgnosis · 5 months
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One more time, now- together, this time, please: Wiccans Are Not Your Boogeymen
People who use "Wiccans" as a catch-all term to ultimately encompass "practitioners I dislike or disagree with", and / or "practitioners who aren't a part of my tradition", and / or "practitioners who don't use the exact methodology I think of as being correct or valid", and / or "practitioners who are actively doing things wrong or dangerously" really need to take a step back and look at why:
➽ (1) They refuse to actually learn to differentiate actual Wicca from the Eclectic NeoPaganism commonly masquerading as Wicca due to capitalism and terminological ease-of-use (especially when most of the things they complain about on a legitimate Spiritual level is an issue with Eclectic NeoPaganism and not actually a problem with Wicca specifically, and they are incorrectly conflating the two with one another); and ...
➽ (2) They're so dead set on making Wiccans, specifically, "the bad guy" at every turn- and not actually "the exact and very specific people I'm actually talking about who perform the exact and very specific actions I'm talking about" (which are frequently not at all actually exclusive to any one singular group and are actually a widespread issue across multiple unaligned groups because it's an issue of culture and not actually an issue of religion or craft tradition).
Repeatedly throwing an entire (incredibly diverse) set of (near-completely independently organized and operating) religious traditions under the wheels of the bus- and doing so largely because you are too lazy to actually take the appropriate time to understand them, and have a very misguided bone to pick with outdated and incorrect information that you think you know about them? Will never be acceptable ... It's not acceptable for Christians to do to us (which y'all're always bitching about). And it's certainly not acceptable for us to do to each other.
"Wiccans" are not your Boogeyman.
"Wicca" is a word that honestly needs to be taken away from y'all at this point and put up on a damned shelf until y'all learn to actually use it correctly again.
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guiltywisdom · 1 year
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"The unborn" are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.
Methodist Pastor David Barnhart
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st0rmyskies · 7 months
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Sitting here waiting for the numb half of my face to figure itself out after getting some dental work and thinking about how the boys all handle their shit at the dentist. 
Under the cut because I'm sure some people don't like talking about dental stuff.
Time - Incredibly mistrusting. He hates being in the chair, will stand awkwardly in the doorway until it’s absolutely necessary that he takes a seat. Unless he gets to WATCH the dentist pull up the numbing medication from the bottle he will refuse any injections. Can and has sat through fillings without procaine before. And Time has a fair number of fillings, seeing as his dental health kind of fell to the wayside during his teens. Also has a dental implant or two. It's easy to lose teeth in his line of work.
Twilight - Goes to the dentist every 6 months because he knows he needs to, but doesn’t necessarily relish this. Luckily he takes such good care of his teeth that he hasn’t needed anything major done. The hygienists all fight over who gets to take the cute cowboy each time he comes in. So much blushing and "thank you, ma'am"-ing that it gets the entire office distracted for the afternoon.
Champion - Will sit straight-backed and stiff in the chair, staring straight ahead the entire time. Instant compliance with everything the dentist asks ("Open your mouth." "Spit." "Turn this way."). Even if he white-knuckles the arm rests, he’s not going to complain or flinch for anything: not injections, not drilling, not cleaning. He’s in good oral health for his age. 
Warriors - Gets all the dish on the office drama every time he goes. He has his One Special Hygienist that he requests specifically for each cleaning. The day he is diagnosed with a cavity, he is disconsolate and needs a box of tissues. He takes a lil something to take the edge off before his filling appointment and refuses to leave the office without a face mask to hide the fact that half of his face is drooping. Resents being swollen afterward. 
Sky - Is the asshole who hasn’t gone to the dentist since he left home, gets berated by Sun until he finally makes the appointment. He dislikes dentist visits quite a bit and definitely has a wide-eyed look on his face the whole time, is much too chatty with tools in his mouth, and at the end is given a clean bill of health despite his lack of conscious upkeep. Jerk.
Legend - He let his oral health fall to the wayside during his early teens and didn’t pick it back up again until after he started living with Hyrule. Consequently, he’s needed a fair amount of work done but he takes it like a champ. What, like it’s hard? He’s had road rash that hurts worse than this. Just pops in his headphones and vibes while his face gets numb.
Hyrule - Has religiously seen the dentist twice yearly for quite some time, although often it's more than 6 months between visits because life is like that. He and the dentist compare notes on patient stories and treatment options. He usually has some case he wants to consult with them on anyway. His coffee addiction means that he’s had a fair number of cavities as he’s aged. Definitely has fallen asleep in the dentist’s chair. 
Four - Doesn’t like the dentist, but doesn’t hate it. Is very specific about which hygienist he sees, absolutely refuses the ultrasonic cleaner, and is pretty meticulous about most things, including his teeth. Has definitely played with the canister of laughing gas when left alone in the room, and now they don’t leave him alone in the room anymore. Hasn’t needed major work done yet. 
Wind - If this kid could pay someone to go to the dentist for him, he would. He goes only when he’s having a problem and then bitches and bellyaches that he needs work done. He pesters someone into going to his appointments with him so that he doesn’t have to do it alone, and they usually get sweets after, defeating the purpose of dental care.
Dark - Nope. No. Absolutely not. He would need to be heavily sedated for any type of dental work, and even then someone would need to bring him to the office and stay with him the entire time to make sure he doesn’t just up and leave. The chair, the masks and goggles, the gloves and tools, the light over his face, it all brings back bad, bad memories for him. He has a mouth full of veneers and is pretty good about his teeth mainly because he never wants to see the fucking dentist, ever.
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thefirstknife · 1 year
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It's starting to feel like there's an implicit understanding in the community that complaining about the game is one of the main ways to engage with it, and maybe is something newer players pick up as part of the 'haha even diehard destiny players hate destiny' narrative. =\
Im happy to see the playerbase growing, but dang, I wish there'd be a bit less of 'if you love this thing you'll be passionate about criticizing it' among some of the big personalities
Yeah. Destiny always had that whole joke like "The one thing Destiny players hate the most is Destiny." I never understood it. When I mildly disliked Destiny, I stopped playing. Genuinely cannnot fathom playing a game religiously while hating it. Mindboggling. I'm also somewhat salty that a lot of people "criticising the story" and latching onto this whole vibe have never actually been fans of the story or have never really paid attention to it.
Like, it feels somewhat strange to me that suddenly every single content creator, including those that were openly NEVER into the lore and even content creators who literally only play pvp and those that openly play with voicelines and subtitles off, are suddenly great experts on how this story apparently sucks. And of course followed by a million of their fans who have until yesterday only ever cared about meta weapons for Trials, but have overnight become lore masters who understand that the story was "bad."
I know people who ARE into lore and who had issues. I also know that there's a lot of new players who were probably utterly confused, though that's to be expected when you tune into the 9th year of the franchise. I'm totally fine with that and respect people who have a different view of the campaign and how it felt to them. And of course if any new players are super confused and have no idea where to start learning more... I sympathise. Greatly. And I'm happy to help! Obviously a lot of what people are discussing right now is really complicated and draws from super specific lore that might not be easy for a new player to understand right away. It will take some time and that's okay!
But when I see the amount of people blasting the story, I'm left thinking... Really? There were so many lore enjoyers out there all this time? You're telling me that twitter user xxTrialsHunterMain69420xx understands the problems with the narrative and can talk with authority on obscure lore references and how Bungie fucked them up? This is absolutely news to me, as most players have been dissing the story for years and if they weren't dissing, they just weren't engaging with it at all.
Obviously every player has a right to say how they felt playing and how they vibed with the campaign and if they didn't vibe with it, that's fine. They didn't vibe with a lot of campaigns that I would die for, like for example Shadowkeep. But there's a distinct feeling like a lot of these people are just latching onto the hate train for no real justifiable reason of their own. Like, it's popular to shit on the campaign now and people will do it to fit in, even if they personally have never ever had any stakes in what Destiny's story is about.
They've been given not only permission, but encouragement to blast the campaign over something they barely understand and something that a lot of people reacted to out of their basic impulses. And I get it because my basic impulse was negative too. I feel like maybe a huge personality who influences the entire community shouldn't post the first thought that comes to their mind uncritically to social media. Or at least that they should feel like they can change their mind and correct that later. I feel like a lot of them would never do that now because it would mean alienating their audience. "Oh yeah I told you all that this sucks, but actually no it doesn't, just listen." Yeah, not going to happen. Not to mention that outrage brings clicks.
And of course, now the whole discourse has been completely ruined by the outrage so it's incredibly hard to find and filter who actually has decent feedback and who is just riding the hate train. Frustrating and draining.
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petrichara · 2 years
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‘“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for.
They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn.
You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe.
Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.’
-Methodist Pastor David Barnhart
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faerun · 24 hours
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Worldbuilding Question: Are the fish gods real or just a part of the religious beliefs? Also why the long, unatural winter?
Ah! Thank you for the question!
The question of whether or not the gods of this world are real is one I'd like to leave up to interpretation for the reader. I kind of... dislike it in certain fantasy series when gods are undeniably real beings with tangible influences on the world rather than being more similar to real life religions, where the god or gods work silently in the background to maintain natural order and its debatable whether or not things are caused by divine beings or can be explained by science. Hopefully that makes sense!
That being said, the Azureli people definitely believe their gods are real! Most of my writing so far has been from their perspective, so in my writing the gods and their actions are often framed as undeniable facts of life. The Azureli people worship a pantheon of gods which represent different facets of existence that they consider most important.
The predominant religion of Azurel is known as Prismatism, and the core tenets of the religion are survival, adaptability, and a respect for the natural world. Their gods represent concepts such as the pursuit of knowledge in the name of survival, the fragility of nature, the inherent divinity and beauty present in the natural world, the destructive and restorative forces of nature, the cycle of birth, death, and change in all aspects of existence, including their own gods.
Copy and pasted directly from my home made wiki-
"At the heart of this belief is the understanding that change is an inherent and necessary aspect of existence. Just as the seasons cycle through periods of growth and decay, so too does society experience cycles of prosperity and ruin. These periods of ruin, known as Collapses, are events of intense devastation and death brought on by some form of natural or unnatural disaster. These are considered moments of reckoning, where the sins and shortcomings of the Azureli people are laid bare, and where the foundations of society are tested and reshaped." In short, Collapses are disasters thought to be tests administered by the gods to push the Azureli people to constantly improve and change. The Azureli view these cycles of societal death and rebirth as opportunities for improvement in the constant race to establish themselves as a perfect society, after which they will be rewarded with an era of absolute peace and prosperity. This most recent Collapse was the onset of climate change, turning Azurel from a chilly but temperate planet to a frozen wasteland. Other past Collapses have taken the form of more conventional natural disasters, like floods or droughts or disease, but this disaster has persisted for the last few hundred years and has altered the fabric of Azureli society more significantly than any other.
I'm still trying to nail down the exact nature of the Collapses and also work out some plausible scientific explanations for them, in keeping with my whole thing of not wanting to explicitly confirm or deny the existence of the gods, but I'm still working on all that as it takes a lot of research and this is just kind of a side project for me right now! Still, this whole project has pushed me to learn more about a ton of subjects that I would otherwise not have much interest in and its been really fun so far researching what all goes into effective worldbuilding so I'm not complaining. I don't really have a 'story' per se to go along with this world, so I'm just tackling it a little bit at a time and further developing it at my own pace.
All of this is subject to change and has changed a lot since I started doing it, for instance it used to be that the world was constantly cold just because I liked the idea of an arctic planet, but since then I've developed the main religion of the world a lot more and wanted the climate and the gods to be more closely connected.
Thank you for your question and giving me a chance to lore dump a little bit!
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tuiyla · 1 year
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You might have not have an opinion on this but I’ve been rewatching Grilled Cheesus and I feel like the framing is so weird?? It’s fundamentally about Kurt and his dad and since they start the whole religious thing FOR Kurt to support him, the issue shouldn’t be religion. As soon as Kurt said he didn’t everybody to pray for him in school, and that it made him uncomfortable enough to complain, it should just be done. Everybody can pray themselves, leave the Hummels out of it. Thoughts?
I have thoughts!
I have a vague memory of debating this with people on the sub, back in the day because the framing is so weird. It's that Glee problem of feeling like they must suddenly be a PSA and present all angles, even at the cost of character and a satisfying narrative. The other glaring instance I can think of is the suicide discussion scene with the God Squad in 3x14. Why must they always do this with Kuinn?
The problem with Grilled Cheesus is that it's trying to be Kurt's story but also wants to present this middle road of "religion works for some and not for others". And there aren't any inherent problems with that messaging. It's perfectly valid for people to seek comfort in religion and equally valid for others not to want anything to do with it. But this is Kurt's story and he makes his feelings clear. It's frustrating to watch characters cross his boundaries and insist that he's being ungrateful when he's already going through an extremely traumatic time. I honestly don't know why Glee thought this was the way to achieve balance.
I think everyone is being kind of a prick to Kurt in this episode, frankly. Even sweet Mercedes whose good intentions I appreciate and I usually stan is being way too pushy with her closest friend. All Kurt needed was her support and respect and Mercedes is usually excellent at giving that but the episode uses her and Quinn as religious spokespeople. They're ideas in Grilled Cheesus, not people. At least Mercedes is still more respectful than Quinn but even she's being way too pushy. No should be no. And even if some of Kurt says is harsh, he's still allowing people to do whatever they want with their faith and is just asking them to leave him and Burt alone. The prayer scene in the hospital feels particularly disrespectful. Because yes, who knows how Burt feels and it can't hurt, but Kurt has explicitly asked them to back off. Pray at home or at church, ffs! And no, I don't think Carole had the 'authority" to overwrite Kurt's wishes in this particular case. If anything, Carole should have stood behind Kurt.
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The characters advocating for religion or even a conversation really betray that they aren't truly in it for Kurt. Otherwise, they would have left well enough alone the moment Kurt expressed discomfort. There's a time and a place for civil debates but right after his dad's heart attack ain't it. And I love Quinn and write a lot about how dirty she was done and all that so I feel I have permission to say this but she just really sucks in this episode. She feels so entitled and makes it clear that her making a statement about faith is more important to her than Kurt's feelings. I wouldn't say someone like Sue who is ardently on the opposite side is much better because she doesn't have Kurt's best interests in mind, either, but she's at least a little more supportive. And she's supposed to be the villain! And don't get me started on William Shitecester who takes this as an opportunity for dialogue. What a shit teacher you must be to prioritize a lesson over the wellbeing of a student in crisis.
I also dislike how people ignore Kurt's valid reasons to dislike religion, again a sign of hypocrisy. Because yeah, Kurt is being kinda harsh but who wouldn't give him a pass in this situation, and the ignorance of the Glee Club to not consider the church's historic distaste for gay people is infuriating. Easy to say god welcomes everyone or whatever when people like you haven't been persecuted for hundreds of years. And as all this is going on Kurt is getting severely bullied at school for being gay so what excuse do they have for not taking his identity into consideration? That they don't really care. Everyone is so self-absorbed and self-righteous in this episode it's painful to see.
The audacity of people to call Kurt ungrateful and intolerant is what pisses me off the most. On the one hand, the episode works well to establish how alienated Kurt is starting to feel even within the New Directions and it builds towards him going to Dalton, which I like and consider good storytelling. On the other, it's incredibly frustrating to watch this kid be so isolated when he would need his friends the most just because Glee decided (and in-universe Schue) that they wanted to preach about religious tolerance. Just leave the damn kid alone. It's just one of those instances where we should not be having philosophical discussions; literally who gives a fuck, Kurt might lose his only living parent! So Grilled Cheesus as a whole is a frustrating watch despite me appreciating certain storytelling elements.
If anything, Anon, I have too many opinions on this. Some of it is strong feelings about the injustice and hypocrisy of it all but the rest are just frustrations on a story level because it feels so unnecessary. But the bottom line is that Kurt was right and his friends should have respected him more than their religious preaching. And again, just pray at home or go to church and discuss it with your pastor. Not the time to try and convince your friend that religion can be good, actually. Who gives a fuck, literally read the room Stacy.
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adenthemage · 5 days
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For the recent fic ask game! T: Any fandom tropes you can’t stand? - Trauma <333 (I came to see you get salty /lh)
AGHSGSHS hi Trauma!! Thank you for the opportunity to gamerrage on main 👍
What interests me most in storytelling is character relationships and dynamics, so naturally my most vehement opinions revolve around that. Particularly when it comes to shipping tropes, because my heart is cold and dead 👍 but I swear they inevitably get flanderized and misunderstood into being the same old bland amatornormative shit. Stuff like hanahaki or soulmates. Ideas that, to start, are really interesting! But are more often than not used to push this "love at first sight" "meant to be" "romance above all" thing. And when you fall into that, then the nasty implications start to crop up.
Like, for example, if it's assumed the romantic leads are obviously going to stay together, then when genuinely concerning conflicts or power dynamics crop up, they're used for drama instead of actually exploring what the characters would do or giving them agency. And thus something like a Soulmates setting is only used as justification to keep them together, because the universe says they're made for each other, so of course they're gonna have to live happily ever after no matter how unhealthy or compatible they really are!
The hanahaki one is especially bothersome to me because the base concept IS really interesting! The flowers are a manifestation of holding yourself back, and how it harms you to hold your true feelings in and never move on, letting them fester. But instead, I often see it written as if the disease is spawned from the fact of falling in love, instead. This creates a situation where the love interest is expected to either reciprocate, or let the protagonist die,, which is,,, not greatttt. Like even if you wrote it being conscious of these implications, I struggle to find a worthwhile theme or idea that it could possibly convey.
And it's doubly a shame because these concepts could be SO INTERESTING outside the scope of being used purely as a vehicle to get some mediocre romance underway. A world with soulmate marks would surely have customs and inventions surrounding that very normal aspect of life for them. What would the religious impact be, if there's apparently some higher power connecting people from birth? Or with hanahaki, you could use the broader concept of "withholding your feelings/your true self causes the disease" to tackle other kinds of personal drama and subject matter beyond flat romance.
I also particularly dislike the fandom tendency to try fit all found family dynamics into rigid traditional family structure. Is it not far more interesting to explore a new kind of relationship that doesn't fit neatly into a single-word pre-existing box?
All these complaints often come down to the assumption that these relationships are above all other forms, and therefore it's assumed the characters will fall into them. This is ESPECIALLY true of romance, though. If one goes in assuming the romantic pair should get together, then one skips the vital work that has to go in to justifying why this relationship should exist and why its components want to be a part of it.
I feel that there's so many ways to explore romance other than just "these two like each other, they get together, there are some issues, it works out" that is underrepresented. Instead of making it toxic on accident, do it on phrpose! Explore that! Have two characters who want to be together, but don't work and have to make the hard decision to break it off. Stuff like that! Cuz it's not even that I mind stress-testing the relationships with some drama, it's just frustrating when it feels like the characters are always pigeon-holed into staying together.
Anyway is that enough complaining for one post? I surely could think up more, but I will show mercy and spare you this once. Thank you again for the enablement, love youuuu 💜💜💜
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the-jesus-pill · 1 year
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wanted to share an experience i had as an ex christian, probably apostate? idk man i was complaining in a friend's server because a christian friend of mine has been repetitively excluding me from things simply because i am not a christian, and because im queer and trans, and then is upset when i don't really feel like inviting her to stuff. i referred to christianity as a joke, and my friend who owns the server i was complaining in deleted my messages and dmed me to inform me i "complain about christianity too much and i'm probably hurting people's feelings and i need to stop it now" (it had been 3 months since i last complained about christianity in that server) i have had multiple people come to me and tell me i can't hate christianity, despite the fact that i am a victim of abuse, mental and physical, in the church, despite the fact that i have religious trauma. apparently, their right to religion means i can't dislike them? i dunno i was told i "cannot call christianity a joke", and then earlier this morning i witnessed a 12 year old child asking a bunch of older christians for forgiveness for being "selfish" enough to ask for prayer for themselves. if christianity is not the biggest joke i've ever seen, i dont know what is.
Yikes, that's awful. I'm sorry that happened to you. The friend of yours who is excluding you based on your (lack of ) beliefs and queerness? She's not a friend at all. I suppose she's not very fond of the 'do unto others' rule either.
Regardless, you have the right to dislike christianity, especially after having lived through it. Your feelings, your trauma is valid and no one gets to tell you otherwise.
Unfortunately a lot of outsiders (read: people who have never been too close to the religion) don't get what the fuss is about. Most of them see christians as these benevolent, charity-working, praying saints whose biggest flaws are perhaps being a little too prude sometimes and they will fail to understand the amount of lies, gaslighting and manipulation that comes with their beliefs.
In their eyes, christians did nothing wrong and hating on them is "unfair" or "uncalled for".
Sometimes it's just willful ignorance.
I would reconsider putting yourself in a space where people have continuously invalidated your feelings, or at least distance yourself emotionally from them. Of course the choice is up to you in the end, but I advise to think about your mental health. It's better to have fewer friends or work on finding new ones than having friends who refuse to take you seriously or stand up for you.
I hope it works out for you anon! There will always be better people out there who will support and love you the way you are!
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Since you were discussing Outcast, it reminded me of how much I disliked the tribe books as a kid. I always found them so boring because it was the same song and dance every single time. But then I remembered how Sign of the Moon is my least favorite and I've been wanting to complain about the time travel aspect for like a week. It's interesting if not super silly even for Warriors, but what infuriates me the most is Jayfeather, as Jay's Wing, inventing the entirely of the tribe while back in time. It's like an American going back to before people started colonizing America and inventing an indigenous tribe, and it pisses me off.
Ever since I was little, I've always loved sociology. My upbringing was marked by trying to 'reconnect' with culture. Without getting too into it, my primary parent escaped a very destructive cult-like flavor of born-again Christian evangelism. In the aftermath they tried to find meaning they felt had been taken from them by that traumatic generational event.
(what we 'reconnected with' was inaccurate in hindsight and we narrowly avoided getting swept up into ANOTHER cult-like religion but... I don't want to get too into it. I will confirm though that I am not American indigenous.)
I connected heavily to the way that Firestar's Quest introduced SkyClan, this group that was lost and destroyed by the others, my little baby kid hero Firestar declaring that he'd right this ancient wrong. Then with Code of the Clans, it felt like I was discovering the evolution of the culture in hindsight, like I was unearthing a lost history.
And then the Tribe came along, and I felt so excited. It was like, HERE IT IS! Now we're gonna find out what they were like! We get to see a culture that's survived for generations without the Code, and we get to see what the Clans used to be!
(keep in mind I was... 11? 12? and smack in the middle of rejecting the fear that comes with evangelism. i am more nuanced about this topic now, haha. there's no perfect halcyon period to return to in an ancient culture, but hey, at the time it made me feel I could live without something I was taught I couldn't.)
So... just sit with me for a moment and imagine what it felt like when the books started saying, loudly, that the Tribe was useless. Primitive and ineffective. Outcast was particularly painful, because the christian-coded Clan cats sent a mission's worth of guys to proselytize how the Tribe has to abandon what matters to them, just to become a 6th Clan, and the Tribe cats are treated as stagnant and unreasonable for that.
...And how every time the Clan cats lose their (christian) values, they go back to abandoning elders, killing indiscriminately, disconnecting with their culture...
AND THEN, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, it gets WORSE! Because THEN they didn't even allow the Tribe to really be ancestral. Jayfeather is the one who MAKES it what it is.
Not even the ancient clan cats can decide things. Jayfeather's vote makes them leave. Jayfeather teaches Half Moon to be a healer. Jayfeather brings them to the mountains. EVERYTHING just ends up going to a religious authority who decides how they're going to do things from now on.
And... it was painful. It hurt Little Bones a lot; it flew in the face of what I was escaping. Implying I'd be nothing without it. That there was nothing for me to find in my own history.
The Stones, man. The Stones. The Tribe's Stones haunt me.
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It's honestly wild how the 'paradox of tolerance' is a very widely known thing, yet so many people apply it only to white western right-wingers. I don't care where you're from or what your religion is, but I don't have to respect your beliefs or 'tolerate' you if you think I'm not deserving of the same respect because of who I am.
If your religion says that women are property and you feel comfortable saying outspoken or not fully 'covered-up' women deserve to be raped, then I think you should not be tolerated in polite society. If you believe homosexuality is disgusting and should be punished I don't think you should be tolerated in polite society. If you think non-believers of your religion have less value than believers, you can't complain when these non-believers want nothing to do with you.
These are all things I commonly see people on here agree to when it comes to Christianity.
The fact that people get accused of 'pink islamophobia' (disliking religious nutcases who thinks The Gays should be stoned) for the same exact points is honestly wild. I left the catholic church for their sexism and homophobia, and now you want to tell me disliking other religions for the same reason is offensive?
Do you hate yourself so much that you're desperate to defend people who think you and other like you deserve rape and death for the way you live your life? I'm sick of the severe self-hatred of the western (particularly online) left. The west is so far from the 'the worst thing ever' and you can't even recognise how many privileges you take for granted. As a non-heterosexual women, 'the west' is currently the place I have by far the most rights in, and it's completely justified to not sympathise with or approve of governments and organisations which oppose these rights, both inside and outside of the country I live in.
Awful human rights conditions for their citizens are a valid point of criticism for single every country on earth, and bigoted behaviour cannot be overlooked because the person spouting hate belongs to what you see as an oppressed group themselves.
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