#anti k@taang

[zutarawasrobbed]

I’m sorry, but the Netflix showrunner referring to Kataang as an “issue to tackle” in the future is some of the funniest shit I’ve ever read/heard.

#the way I choked #he was directly referencing k@taang in his answer too. #the age gap was already a problem in the original show #now you just see it the way Zutara has the entire time because you see it in real life actors their age #the maturity difference between a 12 and 14 year old is insane #he literally said he was relieved he didn’t have to deal with it this season #and he just kept going too 😭 #I’m not a fan of the ship but DAMN he did them so dirty #avatar the last airbender #zutara #atla live action #anti k@taang

[starlight-bread-blog]

Why Katara's Lines Come Off As Rejecting In EIP

Like I said in a previous EIP meta, this will be a doylist meta and an isolated look into the scene and the second half of book 3. So first things first, what are Katara's lines and body language?

As soon as A\ang brings up the kiss, she turns away, and just says she doesn't know.

When he asks her why doesn't she know, she seems slightly irritutated for a second, gives him a perfectly reasonable explanation, but doesn't hold eye contect for too long before drifting off.

A\ang keeps pushing, so she puts an end to this. This time she stays faced to him to say she is confused, signifying she's more comftable now that his questioning has ended.

Now it is clear as day that A\ang violated her boundries and she is pissed off.

Her lines and body language tell us two things I wish to break down:

Katara is very uncomftable talking about the possibility of a future romance and can't commit to an answer.

The reason she gives is that she is because she's confused.

2. Katara States That She is Confused

Let's try to take her at face value here. She's genuinely confused about her relationship with A\ang. Do you know what is the first role of storytelling? Show don't tell. If the writers wanted to show us that Katara trurly is confused, we should be seeing Katara grapple with that.

It wouldn't break the "Will They Won't They" tension, if anything, it'd amplify it. We can see this in action all the way back in season one, where Katara also is confused and considers if A\ang is a possible partner.

So, is that what we see? Small moment/moments of Katara looking at A\ang, being confused and considering him as an option? No, we do not. Instead, what we get from Katara, is...

We are told that Katara is confused, but what we're shown is Katara completely ignoring the source of her supposed confusion. What we're shown is not confusion, it's denial.

This is a sharp contrast to how well the writers made sure to remind us that Katara is still angry at Zuko over the course of these very episodes. From her threatening him when he first joins, to a mean spirited comment (at 0:21), there was a clear effort to keep up the tension, to make sure you know that Katara hasn't forgiven Zuko yet, until said tension is resolved. Meanwhile with Katara and A\ang what we see is the show, and by extension Katara, in denial to the whole event.

1. Katara is Uncomftable and Unable to Commit

If she is in denial and A\ang is making her face reality, would her behavior in the scene be compatible with that? Would she keep on avoiding the topic? Could her words register that way based on who she is? To know that, we could ask: does she have a history of shielding A\ang from reality?

(If the scene was revealed to be her shielding him), this isn't to say that Katara would consciously shield him the way she does here, she could've genuinely thought she was confused. There would be many ways to interpret the scene. However, it is in character for her to want to keep the peace to protect him from being hurt. Therefore, her lines in EIP could easily register to be of a similar fashion.

The show continuously refused to show Katara being confused, showing us nothing but denial. When she is faced with the reality, she refuses to commit when having a history of trying to shield A\ang for as long as she can. And this is why Katara's lines in EIP come off as rejecting.

#anti kataang #anti kat@ang #anti k@taang #TAGGING FOR VISIBILITY-> #zutara #zuko x katara #katara x zuko #zutara meta #pro zutara #anti anti zutara #zutara analysis #zutara evidence #zutara forever #zutara nation #zutara should have been canon #zutara supremacy #zutara was robbed #zutarian

[amirazat]

I’ve seen a few K@taang fans say that Aang telling Katara to forgive Yon Rha in The Southern Raiders is a parallel to Katara helping Aang leave the Avatar State. I really don’t like this take, for a simple reason:

The Avatar State is a supernatural uncontrollable rage. Katara’s anger is not.

On multiple occasions, Aang states that he regrets his actions while in the Avatar state, and he doesn’t like feeling out of control in that way. We even see his rational spirit’s reaction to the Avatar State when it detaches from Aang’s body to speak to Roku in “The Avatar State”.

Aang wants to be stopped when he is in this state. When Katara reaches out to him, she is not trying to change his mind, she is trying to allow his rational mind to regain control. She is giving him agency, not denying him agency.

By contrast, while Katara is angry in The Southern Raiders, we’re never told that her rational faculties aren’t still operational. She’s determined. Not possessed.

At no point does Katara say that she regrets acting in anger. Instead, we see her exercise judgement and mercy even when face to face with the man she saw kill her mother.

This is not someone who is out of control.

(Not that she necessarily would have been out of control if she did kill him.)

The fact that Katara wasn’t out of control and didn’t need to be stopped is further reinforced by the fact that, unlike Aang who agonises over his actions in the Avatar State after the fact, Katara doesn’t express regret at her actions or relief that she didn’t kill Yon Rha. Instead she re-states her initial position that she will not forgive him.

All of this makes Katara’s anger at Yon Rha very different from the Avatar State. She is in control of her actions and does not want or need to be stopped. Trying to stop her isn’t helping to reassert her own control over her actions, it’s questioning her active decisions. It’s denying her agency instead of enabling it.

An emotional woman is not the same thing as an irrational or out of control one.

#anti kataang #antikataang #anti k*taang #zutara #pro katara #tagging Zutara because I think it’s relevant to the community

[blogfamousturtlecollector]

Shit

Here we go again

Katara never lost herself, she wanted to see her mother's killer, she never even said what she would do to him, it was Aang who started whining about what she shouldn't do and how she should feel. He compared her mother's death to losing a bison for a couple of days! While Zuko was by her side all the time and let her decide for herself, for God's sake, start using more than two brain cells.

#zutara #anti k*taang #anti k*taang fandom

[snogards]

I think it's really telling that the only ships I actively dislike and express disdain for in atla are 2 of the 3 canon ships

And sukka isn't one of them.

#obviously I dont like the proships because ew #but k@taang and ma!ko just grind my fucking gears #and before anyone says its because I'm a zutara shipper #zutaras my favorite ship but I'm a multishipper first #atla #avatar the last airbender #anti-maiko #anti-kataang

[aquariusshadow]

ok ik the LA showrunners did say they added "hints" with k*taang but.............is it just me or did that entire post come off like "yes we know thats how the og went but frankly im just happy we didnt mess with that shit rn" ??? like of course they know what the og did and of course they were probably gonna do k*taang down the line otherwise the fandom would probably do some really crazy boycotting bs like nowhere in that post did it seem like the showrunners were excited to adapt k*taang or excited to come across a better time to properly handle it??? especially since they went OUT OF THEIR WAY TO REMOVE EVERY SINGLE CANONICAL OG K*TAANG SCENE in the live action oh uh the post in question

i also noticed the slight contradiction of "we did little hints in this season, especially at the end" and "I was very relieved to put a pin in it so i wouldn't have to deal with it in the first season" ehehehe i understand liking any bits of confirmation but truthfully, nothing about this makes me super confident that the showrunners have any desire to do k*taang properly? or that they even want to do it

#anti kataang #antikataang #if yall see my blog you know what i personally ship #honestly my desire for natla is for there to be no canon ship at the end of the series but thats just me #anywho i do find these specific comments on this topic rather interesting #and indicative of priorities #also not albert kim calling the k*taang relationship a “future issue” #that #hoo boy lmao

[the-badger-mole]

Sooo i was silently stalking the anti zut@ra / pr0 k@taang # and only 1.. only 1 blog pops up 🤭🤣🤣🤣🤣 in the last few days or so with a few likes and sh+t.

While our fandom keeps the entire atla universe alive with our never ending fanart, fan fics, zutara weeks/months and head canons.

Then someone said that both of them (the ‘asker’ and the ‘author’) are glad that in the atla youtube polls that their ship always wins 70/30 something to let ‘everyone’ know that majority is pro their (canon fodder) ship. Their fandom are really clueless that we hardly participate in that nonsense because we’re anti bryke 😆😆.

If they wanted to find out the real deal, their ship originally posted a youtube fanvid of the song ‘From Dusk Till Dawn’ 2 years before we did and we got freaking more than a million likes than they is saying something about it.

The one I'm specifically thinking about was a while ago, and they were replying directly to me (cause, I'm not subjecting myself to that side of the fandom willingly), so we're probably not talking about the same person. I just think it's funny that the defenders of the canon ship are using fan art. It's almost like they KNOW Kataang is trash in canon.

Also, given the impossible number of voters on those polls, I think it's safe to say they're mostly bots. If you really want to get their panties bunched, talk about how many more Zutara fics there are than Kataang.

#atla #anti aang #anti kataang #zutara #the REAL math #THE YEAR OF CONTENT!!!!

[tiny-katara]

Hey, sorry you've been getting hate from KAs--been there done that and honestly all I've learned about ATLA fandom in the past couple of years has been that people here really like to stop other people from having opinions. Anyone should be allowed to salt on ships and love ships unapologetically as long as they tag correctly which you've been doing!! And anyone who's truly still trying to deny that there's any merit to ZK in the year 2022 really needs to go outside lol, a ship not being made canon by a bunch of white men in 2008 doesn't mean that all other interpretations of it are incorrect --like who put Bryke in charge of determining what relationships are the best to be put on-screen? Ah I'm rambling but really haters gonna hate and if they're gonna complain about ZK fans constantly talking about how great ZK is? Then just block the zutara tag and let us have it, K@taangs have their supposedly incredible canon so idk why they feel so threatened by ZK anyway. Aha yeah this got away from me but go you, love what you want unapologetically, and block the antis because they will never stop RIP <3 love to you!

i 100% agree! like its really not that personal lol. it's strange how angry they get about what are valid criticisms that they can so easily avoid. i don't think i will ever be able to get past the horrific ember island kiss bc its just so hard to watch and it feel violating.

and absolutely. you recognize the hype for a ship and still not ship it yourself. i can totally understand ships like zukka, but zutara just hits right for me. it's literally ridiculous that they try to argue that there was nothing there at all despite the fact that some of the ship drama was literally created on purpose.

also thank you so much for your support! it means the world to me :)

don't worry the antis tho, they've been blocked, although more are sure to surface, but it's so much easier to deal with with knowing that there are so many kind and wonderful zutara shippers out there <3

[dylanaz]

ATLA fandom:

"I hate Aang in this episode because of a, b, c and d..."

"How dare you! He did this because of the reason x, y and z. You have no right to roast him like that!"

"Zutara is kinda cute. And they have many symbolisms."

"Noooo. That's toxic. If you ship them, you will be forever doomed in your future relationships. There is a special place for Zutara shippers in hell. You know Kataang is canon, right?"

"It is wrong to kiss someone without their consent"

"Stop hating on a character to justify your ship."

Greek Mythology fandom:

"I fucking hate Zeus"

"Same. I literally use 'Zeus' as a swear word instead of 'fuck'".

"Ugh, Hera and Zeus are toxic as zeus"

"Agreeeeeeed. If someone cheated on me for eons, I would've gone crazy. But that doesn't justify Hera's actions"

"Absolutely!"

"I ship Hera with Zeus and Athena with Hephaestus"

"Cool. I ship Zeus with Aphrodite from the version where Aphrodite isn't Zeus' daughter"

"Cool. I ship Apollo and Artemis"

"They're literal twins... 👀"

"So? They're gods"

"Yeah... Artemis is a virgin goddess, tho"

"I know"

"Strange taste... but that's ok. Nothing unheard of"

"Achilles and Patroclus..."

"Were roommates 👀😏 or should I say cousins?"

We talk about the characters in any way we want. It doesn't even matter that characters are gods. They get judged. That doesn't stop anyone in the fandom from liking problematic characters. People don't defend the characters as if their lives depend on it.

(At least the part of the fandom I experienced. It includes PJO, eventhough there are some ship wars)

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Greek Mythology fandom is literally the best fandom, still having the most problematic and disturbing contents in canon.

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On the other hand, it is kind of wrong to just compare them, since they both have different narratives. Some Greek gods are just really hard to like, because their bad actions are extreme, while ATLA gives us troubles to be on either character's side. (Ozai and Zhao not included)

(Like, it makes us take sides and reason why we don't like certain things, instead of just making us say, "Aang is such a zeus. He has no redeemable value" which is absolutely not true. Most of the characters of ATLA are light shade of gray compared to Greek Mythology characters, who are more like black and white... and when they have those grey values, they are usually extreme in a way, you don't really have to think about it and pick a side.

No one would say Hestia is a bad character. Her actions are often on the white side, just like Zeus' is more on the black side.

Since the narrative makes us see what is right and what is wrong in the extreme way, we don't have to debate about the gray area that much.)

Still, I would like it better if we had that kind of vibe to our fandom. I would've liked if we were just bold and chill about everything and didn't have to fight or pick a side. Would've been better if we just respectively did everything we wanted to eventhough it's problematic.

But I guess there are many paradoxes in it and it just won't work.

#atla #avatar the last airbender #Greek Mythology #greek myth #there is a reason why atla fandom is toxic #not exactly a bad reason #but that still divides us #atla salt #anti kataang #if someone doesn't wish to see it and that person happened to be a k*taang shipper

[mmnemi]

the number of fanfics in the Katara & Zuko tag (with K/Z excluded) is criminally low and I hate it here

#sometimes you just want they being besties #bro you are my world but platonic y know #why im sounding like an anti 👺 👺 #cant believe ill have to write it myself #anyway #if someone has recs im accepting #(without k@taang malko and z\/kka pls) #atla #zutara

[thinkingisadangerouspastime]

people who call k@taang unhealthy really just expose themselves as people who have never actually been in healthy, mutually fulfilling relationships beyond the initial infatuation/honeymoon period and like,, they don’t even know they’re doing it bro

#i have been in the unhealthy relationship they claim k@taang to be lmao #and i can promise you #if my ex had been like aang #i would be MARRIED because you don't get better than that #people are just angry that their self-projection onto katara isn't canon #whoop dee doo #anyways k@taang is honestly the healthiest relationship in atla #anti-k@taangers are SO embarrassing but what else is new #amy rambles

[zutarawasrobbed]

People defending k@taang’s relationship in the live-action are fucking wild. Gordon Cormier (Aang’s actor) lost a baby tooth on set. Dude still has baby teeth, and y’all are convinced this child is ready to be in a serious relationship?!?!

#Zutara #if this doesn’t make you see why a 12 and 14 year old dating is weird #I dont know what to tell you. #y’all want Katara to make out with someone who could lose a baby tooth mid smooch? #anti k@taang #be ffr #natla #avatar the last airbender live action #the amount of k@taangers that have willfully blocked out the nuance of age difference #and what that means in maturity level is insane. #it was weird in the original #it’s weird now. #y'all are just seeing in real time with real people #and for some reason that's still not enough for some people. #avatar the last airbender

[gaylittlezuko]

do u ever read meta and feel bad bc the person clearly spent lots of time on it and put it tons of energy but the meta is just…..bad and dumb and wrong 😭

#accidentally clicked on the ‘anti k*taang’ tag and oh boy #i don’t even feel strongly about that ship tbh but like. so many longgggg metas could have been avoided if people realized that aang is 12 #amongst other things lmao

[amirazat]

K*taang and Unconditional Love

I came across this exchange in the notes of a pro-K*taang post, and it helped me really understand clearly one of the things that makes me most uncomfortable about the way K*taang is presented in canon:

R states that the kiss in the Ember Island Players is forgiven because Katara and Aang loved each other unconditionally… but romantic love shouldn’t be unconditional. While romantic love shouldn’t be conditional on things like “are you always in a happy mood” or “are you the real hero”, it should be conditional on things like “do you respect my boundaries”. Otherwise love becomes something that can trap you in a harmful situation.

The kiss in the Ember Island Players was always going to be uncomfortable, but it could have been a teaching moment if the show had gone on to show that it had been a massive and hurtful mistake, and that a romantic relationship could not move forward until Katara felt sure that Aang would respect her boundaries going forward. Instead, by showing no positive interaction between Aang and Katara between this kiss and their final kiss at the end of the show, the show tells us that Katara’s romantic love for Aang is not conditional on his respect for her boundaries, and tacitly endorses such love.

(Ironically, since pretty much the only positive moment we do see between Katara and Aang between these kisses is Katara looking lovingly at Aang while Zuko declares him to be “the real hero”, the show even kind of implies that Katara’s love is conditional, but on Aang’s heroic status, rather than on his treatment of her, which is even worse.)

This isn’t meant to be a condemnation of Aang. He’s twelve and in a very stressful situation. He makes an awful mistake but based on his character I believe he’s capable of learning from it (would have been nice to see it, though). However, the writers/decision makers who decided on how to wrap up the K*taang storyline were not twelve, and they should have known better.

#anti k*taang #anti kataang #katara deserved better

[blogfamousturtlecollector]

Increasingly, I see such opinions about how Mai and Aang are unfairly offended by zutara fandom. It's a big surprise, but people may not like Aang and Mai no matter what they ship. These characters are criticized for bad writing (including how poorly their relationship with Katara and Zuko is spelled out), literally every claim has its own argument. No, the line "I love Zuko more than I fear you" does not prove to me that Mai is a good person or partner. Five minutes ago, she had called him a traitor to the motherland and she had no idea about Zuko's motives and aspirations.

#zutara #anti k*taang #anti m@iko

[whattheheehaw]

I find it incredibly ironic how some Kataang shippers that are anti-Zutara can claim that Zutara is toxic because Zuko supposedly wanted Katara to murder Yon Rha (which isn’t even something that he did) and corrupt her morals. Like honey, did you forget that The Promise is canon? You know, the comic that had Katara encourage Aang to kill Zuko if he turned out to be Ozai 2.0? Wouldn’t murdering a best friend be, I don’t know, contradictory to Aang’s whole “no killing” philosophy? Wouldn’t Katara encouraging Aang to kill Zuko, even though Aang hates the idea of murder, be considered toxic behavior? Just something to think about.

#i'm sorry this is so salty #i read some anti zutara/pro k@taang meta again and ughhhh #they brought up the weird pirate scene 2.0 in the promise to showcase 'toxic zutara' #and if they view that part of the promise as canon then the whole thing should be too #also zuko never forced his ideas for revenge on katara #he let her do whatever she wanted because it was her grief and anger she needed to deal with #he was just on navigation/chauffer/bodyguard duty the whole tsr ep #anti kataang #anti the promise #people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones