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outoffandom · 21 days

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I wouldn't say Talia is to Jason what Dick was to Damian. I wouldn't make the comparaison even. Talia and Dick's position and intents differ too greatly, just like Damian and Jason are brought (or brought back) to fill very different purposes toward Batman. They're not meant to be parrallels.

Dick takes Damian under his wing to give Bruce's son a chance to be something else than what he was conditioned to be. Keep in mind Damian’s affiliation to Bruce is very important here. Talia takes Jason under her wing because she nurses the hope to help Bruce and possibly win his love by "healing his son". The character's affiliation to Bruce is here again the main motivation. That + an Al Ghul being involvemed, are about the only thing Talia/Jason and Dick/Damian have in common on this topic.

People here like to forget how Talia is as 100% Bruce-centered as everything else is in Batman. Here's her reaction to hearing about DitF :

She is all about Bruce :

While seemingly altruist, Talia is more selfish/interested in her goal than Dick is because she never really takes Jason or what's best for him into consideration. It's just not what's on her mind. There is also an obvious lack of consent since Jason is a zombie at this point. There is zero moral or consent issue between Damian and Dick as the situation/context is completely different. The point is Talia is doing this for Bruce and Jason is as a tool here, very literally. She is "kind" to her and Bruce's tool in her very limited capacities. Even when her plan is slowly but surely backfiring at her goal.

And when she's not only doing it for Bruce, it's about the mystery. Under the disguise of love, as she can conceptualize it :

Not that it changes anything but, whose love?

Another major difference is how they tutors their respective pet-project. Unlike BatDick, Talia tutors Jason through mentors mostly, regardless of the continuity (LD or RHATO). After that, they both unceremoniously drop off each other's life when it's convenient for the plot. The reason for this is not very organic and wasn't explored as far as I know, which is exactly why I wouldn’t compare Talia/Jason to Dick/Damian seriously.

Basically, her character has no need for Jason when Damian exist and is Robin, tying her to Bruce (aka: the main character) much more efficiently and through blood. Same logic for Jason, who has never needed Talia to have ties with Bruce to begin with, or to resurrect. She wasn't part of his resurrection until an annual story added the concept (published after UtRH) and even then, the main reason as to why Jason is alive again is because Superboy Prime punched reality. Unlike the movie version, the Lazarus pit or Ra are completely absent in the UtRH comic.

In contrast, Damian was meant to be this token mini-Bruce and a foil to Dick while Bruce was dead, very early on his introduction. Jason wasn't created or resurrected with Talia in mind at all, or vice-versa. It's why Talia and Jason don't really complement one another and why comparing them is kind of a mute point imo. They both got further twisted to work together and they're not even important for each other's "development".

#rant #jason todd #talia al ghul #fandom stop inserting you mommy/daddy issues everywhere 2024 challenge #these characters already got to deal with bruce big main character syndrome

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lovecinnatwist · 1 year

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I love the thought of Bruce being highly conflicted initially but then ending up at: "Welp, shit happens for a reason so this must be a sign we're meant to be together" 😉

Bruce can't help but be incredibly turned on by Big, Burly, Thick Jason being round with his baby in his womb. 😍

His thought is: "I never imagined an Omega like this would turn me on, but Jason seems to be the exception, like always"...

Meanwhile, Jason is like: "Well, this is not how I expected my reunion with Bruce to end up, but I got a Mate and a Baby out of it. Not too shabby for a Crime Alley kid to bag the Big Bad Batman. Also, this means I get to have all the BatDick that I want.... 👀"

Oh my god exactly! !

Jason had a huge crush on Bruce growing up and literally said he wanted to marry him when he was older. Bruce thought it was cute and like hey- most omega kids have a crush on their alpha mo big deal. Meanwhile Jasob gets his dream years later.

Bruce is primarily alpha sexual anyway so he doesnt even realize the Red Hood is an omega until he has a face full of his juicy cunt but he likes it here and thinks he just hadn't met the right omega!

I just love both of them being kind of like welp this is meant to be and fucking like crazy ignoring all the taboo stuff until they got to go to therapy like a year later. Lololol

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fantasyinvader · 8 months

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So, I picked up the first Injustice game this weekend. Used copy, cheaper than it would be to buy it off the PSN. Definitely feels like a weekend rental title, though that might be because I've only played the story mode rather than go for individual character endings and such. I've always been kinda interested in this though, despite me sucking at most fighting games, because it always sounded more like an expanded version of the Justice League episodes surrounding the Justice Lords. But I've always been a bit wary because, despite being a fanboy of the character, I've always heard it was Batwank.

I'm a fan of Batman, but he's a very flawed character. So pushing him as this paragon is, well, it's never going to sit right with me. Batman is a character who takes the law into his own hands and at times goes too far. I'm not a fan of what I've heard about the White Knight stuff, but even in Nolan's The Dark Knight it was always a question of how far Batman would go for Gotham. While he might not kill directly, but is totally okay leaving someone to die in this incarnation, he ultimately needs to go full Big Brother in order to stop Joker. It's a line to far for Lucien Fox, who quits afterwards. The fact is, Batman can be like Dirty Harry or Cobra in his pursuit of justice when handled improperly. That the law comes across as a hinderance to him by protecting criminals, so it's okay when he breaks it.

Considering the backlash The Punisher has gotten and talk about him being retired, it's a delicate balance for such a character.

But back to Injustice… it was okay. I don't feel like it was stroking the ol' Batdick too much. Was Insurrection!Batman the good guy? Yeah. But he also roped in the regular timeline Justice League without asking them in order to unlock the Kryptonite weapon, and we had to beat him up in order to bring regular Supes to deal with Proto-Homelander. So, very flawed good guy needing the regular Batman to remove his pointy lil head from his Batass. I think the problem with Insurrection!Batman is that we're given only the barest amount of context for the story in order for it to work, with the rest meant to be fleshed out by the comics, comics which paint this guy in a worse light as he didn't support Superman emotionally after Metropolis was nuked and instead treated him like scum over Joker's death.

Having Batman fight Supes as the tutorial sucks though, especially since they kept fighting Superman for the final boss.

But that's really it. It's more like the game is supposed to get players interested in the comics for this timeline, and if you have problems with that timeline then the story doesn't work as well. I mean, regular Supes and Wondie get some really epic moments to their credit, Regime!Flash switches sides after Shaz…the real CAPTAIN MARVEL is killed for saying Regime!Superman is going too far which also works with the explanation that not all the heroes broke bad. They're just afraid of this Superman who is like a less-fleshed out Homelander. If only there was such a skin for that final fight.

So the basic story has overall a decent execution that's hampered by supplimentary materials, much like Gundam SEED. It set up a fertile field to expand upon it's story, but for many people said expansion ruins it.

I'm going to go watch Superman The Movie tonight.

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why-i-love-comics · 5 years

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r u for real he really got upset about batdick

#I feel bad making fun of him bc I really don't know that much about him other than he's frantically trying to get DC to reprint the batdick #also did he delete his twitter? I feel like he had one and that's where his rant was but I couldn't find it which would have worked much #better for this joke #Anonymous

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walrusofdoom · 6 years

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(x) You know as funny as the whole Batdick saga has been i think its incredibly telling how quick they moved to remove/censor something related to nudity when its related to a guy as opposed to the treatment that female characters get in comic books.

Case in point the Batman: Damned series first issue has not been out for even a full week but theyve already said theyll be censoring Bruce’s batwang moving forward, despite the fact that its under the DC Black Label which is marketed specifically to mature/18+ readers and other then “haha he got a pingy” jokes the response has not even been close to negative, their reason for the removal of the Batcopter being as the article notes (x) “because it ‘did not add to the story’" which is such a jarring thing to hear when you take in mind the large amounts of backlash they have gotten for the sexualization of female characters but have never made a single move to remove or censor what they release despite nearly all of it “not adding to the story”.

Other users have pointed it out aswell im sure but its a good example to point out which is the treatment that Starfire got in the new 52 where what she wore was essentially, well let me just show you

(god they broke her spine)

Theres tons of other pictures you can look up of what they did with her but the point being that when she was revealed like this in the new 52 there was major backlash but DC powered through with the costume anyway its only after the DC rebirth that they gave her actual clothes. Starfire isnt even an isolated case you can look up Supergirl, all the times theyve broken Wonder Womans spine for a pose, Harley, the list goes on. Also keep in mind that this wasnt under some black label or an 18+ warning it was part of the mainstream line of comics.

I know pretty much everyone knows how bad the comic industry is with its treatment of women and this double standard isnt exactly a new take that people dont already know but its important to highlight the swiftness of DC’s actions when it comes to something concerning the nudity of a guy with minimal negative response (which also like, Bruce’s wangarang isnt even sexualized its drawn anatomically correct, most of it is in the shadows anyway, its got proper effort put into making it as normal as can be) and when it comes to female characters that get mountains of backlash for sexualization like forced panty shots, etc.

None of this means that nudity can never be used in comics or to tell a story, it can be, but only if the same amount of effort and respect you did when drawing the the Batpen can be extended to how youre drawing everyone (especially women) else too. DC has clearly shown that they have the ability to if they want to and im eager to see how this double standard is pointed by other more eloquent people/articles and whether DC learns anything from it but until then to wind this whole post up i say, #BringBackTheDarkKnob

#Batman #Batman damned #Batdick #Comic books #BatWangGate #idk how to tag this #mine #long post #IT HASNT EVEN BEEN A WEEK WITH THE BATDICK HOW CAN YOU TAKE IT AWAY SO SOON #Also before antisjw cucks @ me about the double standard im showing to men shut the fuck up #literally everything about Bruce's dick reveal was treated with modesty and respect it is no where near the shit that happens to #female characters in comics but then again that would require y'all to actually read comics instead of get angry at people who complain #about the very real issues in them lmao #100

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voidsverse · 2 years

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Voids is a quite unstable, but well meaning person, thought they end up being quite chaotic in their ways or end up doing horrible stuff while they think they do something good. ( I think I mentioned that before )

For example one time a BatDick (snrk) stumbled into her void by accident and tried to get a way back out and home

Voids found him pretty early on and ended up offering to help him find a way out

She didn't though, and instead "trapped" him in a replica of Gotham in the void, where she also put a ton of energy into having the place have a semi-normal day night rhythm unlike the rest of the void which sporadically changes between empty whiteness and complete darkness

So, she tricked said BatDick to stay in the void with her, where Voids tried to keep him save and sound in her little Void Gotham/Voidham

This went on for quite a while, maybe a month or so, until the batman that had a run in with her first planed to pay her a visit due to fluctuations in the time space continuum, though his Dick/Nightwing got to Voids quicker and talked to her about the situation

It ended up in Nightwing giving her a week to clear things up with BatDick, before Batbruce would come and fix the thing himself

Voids ended up clearing the whole situation up with BatDick, who was rightfully upset at the whole situation and demanded to get brought back to his rightful universe

Voids complied, although very hurt cause she grew very attached to BatDick during their time together

Their relationship isn't the best as of now, but in the off chance they have a run in with each other, they luckily manage to be civil with each other. It's unsure if they could become friends again with some time, since Voids obviously breached BatDick's trust in her quite a lot

#voids #dc oc #BatDick #nightwing #voids is chaotic #voids had good intentions #kidnapping mention #sorta #lonely voids #voids shenanigans

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teratron · 2 years

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Wonder Woman Reviews: Historia: The Amazons #1

By Kelly Sue DeConnick (writer), Phil Jimenez (artist), Clayton Cowles (letterer), Hi-Fi (colorist), Romulo Fajardo Jr (colorist), and Arif Prianto (colorist).

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So this was pretty rad.

This book was announced back when Black Label was first launched in the pre-BatDick days of 2018, along with a slew of other titles including another Wonder Woman-related one by Greg Rucka titled Diana's Daughter. That one by Rucka sadly never got past the pitch stage and he had to shelve it but I wasn't too broken up about as even though Rucka's my favorite WW writer, this premise interested me more and I was interested to see a new high-profile writer take a crack at Diana's world (even if Diana won't be in that much!).

This project sat in development hell for some three-to-four years for a variety of reasons (Covid being among them, obviously) but probably the biggest reason is Phil Jimenez taking his time on the art here. Having followed his art updates this and read through this a few times now, I can definitely say it was worth the wait.

For those unfamiliar, this series looks to tell the complete history of the Amazons prior to Steve Trevor's crash landing on Themyscira. Our first issue here sees us begin on Mt. Olympus with Hera and the other Olympian Goddesses (Athena, Aphrodite, Artemis, Hestia, Demeter, and Hecate) coming before their male counterparts and bringing them to task over the treatment of women in Ancient Greece.

Those familiar with their Wonder Woman will notice the first 2/3rds of this issue bears a lot of similarities to the first issue of his defining run back in the late-80s. There are however some key differences here that DeConnick brings that differentiate it from it's predecessor. The first being a rousing condemnation of the way women were treated by the Ancient Greeks and, by extension as their supreme beings, the male Gods themselves. The tone here (perhaps unsurprisingly) being far more fiery and condemnatory than in Perez's run, along with removing the motivation for the Goddesses to ensure Olympus' survival in case worship of them fell out of favor.

The other key difference being the inclusion of Hera into the backstory of the Amazons.

Despite being the Greek Goddess of Women, and the "Great Hera!" catchphrase, Hera for most of Wonder Woman's history was a footnote at best. Even when Perez expanded Wonder Woman's patrons to include other goddesses besides Athena and Aphrodite, Hera was noticeably not one of them. Brian Azzarello, of all people, was the first writer to actually give her some prominence and usage in his run back in 2011.

It's clear here, DeConnick intends to correct on that as she's pretty much the main character of this issue and (along with her wardrobe that Jimenez gives her) steals and is the center of every scene she's in. The ending also making it clear Hera's machinations will continue on into the next issue at least.

This however brings me to the stuff that actually has me interested, that being the origin of Hippolyta. Much as I liked the scenes on Olympus, the more down-to-Earth scenes with Hippolyta and this new take on her origin/backstory (unlike anything we've seen when we are even shown stuff about her history) are what really have my attention in where this series will go. Her story here in this issue plays off well with the scenes on Olympus where the Goddesses castigate their male counterparts for the treatment of women in the ancient world, Hippolyta's scenes actually depicting one such cruelty that drives it home for us, the reader.

Phil Jimenez was already my top Wonder Woman artist and this one issue alone has pretty much solidified he's never getting dethroned. Whereas much of DeConnick's dialogue/scripting was concise and to-the-point, he contrasts her well with some of the most gorgeous and detail comic art I've seen in ages. I'd be remiss not to mention the good work colorists on this book, Hi-Fi, Romulo Fajardo Jr, and Arif Prianto, all did in making many of these scenes look as good as they do. In particular one page with Hippolyta that involves a lot of running. I almost exclusively buy single issues digitally but I would absolutely say go out and get a physical copy of this.

It's still probably the hype talking, but this genuinely does feel like one of the most ambitious Wonder Woman-adjacent stories in probably ever (maybe Morrison's Earth One series for a recent comparison). I've read just about all of Wonder Woman's various origins DC's offered up over the years. but I've never been more interested to see where this goes.

#wonderwoman #dccomics #wonder woman historia #spoilers #reviews

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nightcoremoon · 3 years

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so for the first time I saw batman: the killing joke.

...

it was okay I guess. but massively overrated. I expected some fucking masterpiece of cinema but instead it was just two unrelated short films that were more style and flash than substance.

so first off, barbara's storyline was mediocre. franz wasn't a compelling villain; just a creep, and a trust fund brat. oh wow he's a mafia kid who stole his family's fortune by hacking. if it was the falcone family I'd have cared more but it wasn't so it's just some faceless deathfodder rando. who gives a shit. the whole situation was just a vehicle to shove batman's dick into babs. which kinda fucks over bruce's character here and judging by the timeline kinda makes him a bit of a groomer, yikes. bruce and gordon have known each other since bruce was a young boy and we know that bruce is way older than babs so yeah bruce totally knew her from birth until present day, he literally utilized an active power dynamic to police her crimefighting activities, and he should have fucking known better and stopped her when she kissed him because it would (and did) compromise their professional dynamic, but hey, batdick. and at least barbara recognized that she was behaving emotionally rather than logically when it came to bruce and paris and took the high road out. that would be a serviceable standalone episode to write her on a bus in a serialization but THIS IS A MOVIE. so for a waste of an already short runtime it's like having an appetizer before your meal but instead of something like a crab cake before stuffed flounder, you get greasy onion petals that are more fried batter than onion before getting a well done cheeseburger that's just a glorified hockey puck on a sponge with a kraft single on top. the animation and vocal delivery were excellent of course, not gonna disparage that aspect, so it was well made, but the writing was just not very good. a polished turd. quantic dream must have developed it then because it feels like I watched a david cage production.

so in a 78 minute movie, five of which were the credits, we had a half hour Disney/Pixar short except those bring joy and this brought boring. also there were a lot of shots of her ass tits and underwear that were obnoxiously male-gazey and there was a token gay for the sole purpose of dangling a carrot on a stick for the queers. look kids, warner brothers and dc comics cares about the lgbts! give us money! a waste of time before the real reason why anyone came to see the movie that literally only exists to pad out the runtime to make it a feature length (even though paying a full ticket would've been a total ripoff because, again, IT WAS ONLY 78. even 9 was 81 minutes long and that had an amazing storyline so I forgave it, but 78 minutes? ugh.

also, GOTHAM RAGE??? CRINGE. SO CRINGE.

alright now for the joker segment.

*ahem*

what the fuck? that sucked! *throws tomato*

mark hamill and the joker's lines and the art and the cinematography and the choreography was all good and the plot was cohesive. I get it.

but holy shit was the writing weak as fuck.

okay so some rando breaks the J-ster out of Arkham (already unlikely but ugh whatever), he didn't turn a trick or recruit or anything, he just went to purchase a carnival. or, steal one. but wait, he DID recruit, but he went to get all of the stereotypical Circus Freak™ stereotypes. little people, fat lady, bearded lady, wolf man, strongman, diaper man (wait, what?), and the two headed woman. I guess if you don't really think about why all of them were super readily available in the outskirts between arkham and gotham [i just realized they both end with -am] then it makes enough sense. and then literally right after that HE RECRUITS SOME GUYS TO HELP HIM KIDNAP GORDON. and then strips and photographs barbara. um. ew. you can tell the writer and director were men. Alan Moore is constantly molesting women in his comics and this one trick pony should be put down already. but whatever. the plot is weak and it only gets saved by the flashback sequences.

oh.

oh no.

they're not that great.

he's a failed unfunny comedian who just wants some money to move his wife to a better house so he turns to thievery with the mob. OR YOU COULD JUST STOP GOING TO THE BAR AND BLOWING IT ALL ON BOOZE. I mean the cops knew where to find him after all so clearly he's a repeat customer (or moore is a bad plot writer who relies on convenience and shut the fuck up and don't critically analyze it). alright so he gets wrapped up in the mob to perform a heist on a playing card factory. GET IT, BECAUSE HE'S THE JOKER??? and he uses the moniker of the red hood to retain his anonymity. I expected the mobsters to be working for francisco but no the paris storyline was only cooked up screenplay for passing the runtime so why would they do something clever and interesting and make the film cohesive? that'd be really stupid to make the movie feel more like one movie and not two short films. at least when grindhouse & planet terror did it they advertised themselves as an anthology film. whatever. he falls in the vat of acid which melts the red hood to his face and I gotta say that's actually a pretty good idea to get his face white and his hair green and his lips red. I like that part. oh wait I forgot about the most important part! his wife gets shoved in the refrigerator. OH WOW THAT'S JUST SO COMPELLING AND ORIGINAL, TOTALLY NOT SOMETHING THAT ALREADY HAPPENED TO GREEN LANTERN. TWICE. although she wasn't literally shoved into a literal refrigerator like alex was. rip in frozen pieces you absolute legend of a trope namer. alright, so... so the joker is sad because his wife died. you know, the wife we saw for two minutes and knew the moment we saw her drenched in sepia she was gonna die. and she died offscreen. kyle's gf died and he was fine. gordon's wife died and he was fine. batman's parents both died and he was fine. oh boo hoo someone I love died! fuck off. I am so goddamn sick of people trying to justify their evil with "I was sad once". it's a stupid trope and it's not compelling. the only valid version is doctor doofenshmirtz' evil(er) version in the PF movie because it's hilarious that it's because of a toy train because that's the emotional depth that fridgewomen is treated with in all of these storylines. but at least batman said so. oh yeah, I almost totally forgot, batman's in this movie.

batman punches people and nonlethally takes them out. by suffocating them and letting them get stabbed and throwing them into pits of spikes and HEY WAIT A GODDAMN SECOND! okay let's just ignore that bit and hope that the little people squeezed between the gaps in the spikes and the strongman could breathe in the face mask and the two headed women had KO gas and the fat lady was fat enough that the knives only stabbed her cellulite. it wouldn't be the biggest reach one would have to make in watching this fucking disaster of a plot mess.

now I did like that it was actually batman, and by that I mean he gave a shit about the insane because he recognizes that mental illness is not a cause of dangerous or criminal behavior, just a potential exacerbating factor if it wasn't treated. yeah he brutalized mobsters and crime lords but they were mostly in self defense while gathering intel. he politely asked sal maroni and the sex workers for information and they gave it to him without violence- he manhandled maroni but only after he reached into his pocket for a cigar which could've been a gun. also batman says sex work should be decriminalized if only by not ratting them out to the cops. he was a genuinely good person in the second half of the movie. too bad it was ruined by the shitty first half that made him a borderline groomer.

joker's song was... bad. mark hamill performed his ass off but the song wasn't that good. it just tried to be willy wonka if he was a voyeuristic monster. oh yeah have the only girl character be paralyzed stripped and photographed only to give her father ManPain™. again... the fuck? joker and batman were both gross but, again. male writers. if it was a one-off I could drop a thermian argument because, alright one and done makes sense, especially 1988 standards. but it saturated and soured the entire goddamn movie because of abhorrent pacing decisions. so you're goddamn right I'm gonna bring it up twice! joker was a creep, his plan was dumb, nolan and burton and lord/miller and even ayer had better motivations. YES I AM SAYING THAT JARED LETO'S JOKER HAD BETTER WRITING THAN MARK HAMILL'S JOKER. not nearly to the level of ledger nicholson or galifanakis but hamill didn't have a lot to work with here and I maintain that his performance was amazing; honestly I like his the best out of all of them but just... not here. but I think I can cut some slack to firelord ozai and luke skywalker even if he just phoned it in here which he didn't. writing was just weak. and that's all there is to it. don't anon me and threaten to remove my bones ok?

alright so batman and joker fought and joker got the upper hand and was gonna kill him but it was a prop gun. haha. they had a heart to heart and batman tells joker that he wants to help him get better, even after joker killed robin and molested barbara and traumatized gordon and did countless other travesties, he still said he would help. but joker said no, and told a joke that was good enough to make batman laugh. and then the credits rolled.

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what a completely pointless and empty ending. oh it's deep and meaningful and poignant? ok sure, I guess, movie, but you didn't earn that. shyamalan did the same thing a dozen times. that doesn't make him any less of a shit writer.

I can understand the concept of batman laughing at joker's joke, humanizing him.

I get it. I see what they tried to do. I respect it.

but this movie was massively overhyped and overrated and I expected it to be so much better than it was. but overall to me it was just another batman cartoon to throw on top of the pile. maybe it was influential to graphic novels. maybe it shaped batman into what he is today. it published right as tim burton's movie and I can respect its place in the pantheon of comic history. but sometimes things that are classic...

aren't that great.

citizen kane, casablanca, the maltese falcon, the treasure of the sierra madre, gone with the wind, singing in the rain, all of them are classic and legendary pieces of art. but they're just not that good, interesting, appealing, watchable, or FUN. they were good at the time- I mean come on we all know them today- but on going back you'd have to really appreciate the finer details to still love the movies today. and this belongs there, in the vault, to be appreciated from afar. influential if dated.

but god am I still disappointed nonetheless.

TL;DR

it was just okay. had some good ideas, had some really bad ideas, had some ugly stuff. overall mediocre. first half 5/10, second half 7/10, overall 6/10.

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darkspellmaster · 5 years

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If S3 ends with a Crisis event that causes Bruce's disappearances that implies a BatDick arc somewhere down the road (Idk, maybe The Light gets taken down but Earth gets toasted somehow in the process and many cities, like Gotham become a No Man's Land. S4 takes place a few years because things have to get that bad before Dick takes up the cowl), maybe the CoO's can be one of the shows main enemies? They could change it up to be a ancient sister conspiracy to the Light. Honestly I think-

2 it’d be cool of Steph could be the next Robin during that time. If Dick became Batman. Tim would become Red Robin because M'gann moved on from the Team (maybe to join another team or be something else important in light of whatever her brother to Mars) and left him in charge of leading the next gen of heroes (yeah I know he left but he could come back. It’s not being disowned by the JL). That leaves Steph to be Dick’s Robin. It’d also be cool because Damian might be too young to be Robin -

3 but events (if Damian isn’t discovered or taken in by the Bat’s in S3) might cause Talia to give her son over to Dick’s care (no matter how hostile they can be to each other, Talia does respect Dick’s abilities and would trust him to protect Damian) if things get too dangerous for Damian to be around her. Which would be good because Dick and Steph pre n52 were the two characters who helped Damian become a good person more then anyone else. Damian would be too little to be Robin but old -

4 to contribute and decide to change his ways. It’d be a different approach. Particularly if he was genetically aged (like I think some canon has him, but Idk) so he was older enough to fight (like 8) but he would come into the world w/o knowing Bruce first. Which would be a constant stress for Dick since Damian would be comparing him to, in Damian’s eyes, a god that was his father. (Which would probably lead Damian to being disillusioned when Bruce came back and wasn’t a perfect human being).

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Not sure if the whole world will end up a mess, because if Bruce goes missing that means that they won, and I don’t think they’re going to win this season. The title Nevermore can indicate the idea of Raven showing up (Which could lead into later episodes where we have the character coming into play in season 4), but I also think that it could indicate the wrecking of the Justice League and the fall out from that. I think that Season 4 will have the “death” of Bruce, but yes totally can see the fall out with the CoO coming in and picking up where the Light left off after they get wrecked by Apokolips. I’m pretty sure the split off of the light will lead to other issues in the future for the Team, and we probably will see a very different JL come season 4 or 5 depending on what happens at the end of this season. And I would totally be up for BatDick, or Dickbats.

Interesting run through there. I like it. Honestly I don’t see Steph being robin, I can see here being Nightwing though, and having Damian work with her and Dick as Mentors. Given that the Bat family is way closer to one another than in comics, I can see Jason, when brought back and Tim both working with Damian in their own ways. Maybe Tim teaches him about computers along with Babs allowing Damian to actually get to know Tim better and not try to kill him.

It’s going to be an interesting aftermath seeing what Greg and Brandon and the writers have cooked up for us going forward. Because I don’t see them cancelling this any time soon.

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lfthinkerwrites · 5 years

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A Riddle For a Bat, pt. 13

Title: A Riddle for a Bat

Fandom: Batman

Pairing: Riddlebat

Rating: T

Chapter Summary: Edward comes face to face with Rupert Thorne and begins to play the most dangerous game of all.

Previous Chapters: 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11/12

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"You're sounding a lot better, Eddie. More like your old self. Guess Vreeland dragging you to that society thing yesterday was good for you after all."

Edward smiled as he cradled the phone between his right shoulder and ear. "I suppose it was." In more ways than one. Getting out into the world, even the glitzy high society world, seemed to do wonders for him. Seeing him again played a sizable role in that as well, even if he wasn't sure what to make of that encounter. "I feel alive again, that's for sure. I'm ready to get back to work."

"Good to hear. What about Batdick? You're sure you don't want me and Deirdre to hunt him down and kick his ass for you?"

"Nina dearest, even if you two could find him, you couldn't take him. I did witness him throw a man twice your size across a room. Besides, I'm over it." Well, that may not be completely true, but Edward had spent enough time moping about his office. It was time to begin the investigation again. Thorne had spent the last few weeks consolidating his power. He'd be feeling secure, confident, perhaps overly confident. Perhaps now that he had no rival, he'd finally make a mistake. Edward needed to put thoughts of Batman and what he'd learned about him behind for now. "Enough of that. Have you and Deirdre heard anything?"

"A lot of the old Falcone and Maroni guys joined up with Thorne's crew, at least the grunts did. Other than that, not much. Thorne's always been a tough nut to crack."

Edward leaned back in his office chair and groaned. "Tell me about it." A knock on his door drew his attention. "Nina, there's someone at the door, I have to go. Just keep your eyes and ears open. I'll be by later tonight."

"See you later tonight, Eddie." Edward hung up the cell phone and placed it down on his desk before getting out of his chair. He took a moment to smooth back his hair and adjust his purple vest before he crossed the room to open the door. He'd finally settled back into his morning grooming routine today. He needed to look his best for his clients.

He opened the door and saw an attractive, dark-haired young woman wearing a short red skirt and red suit jacket practically leaning against his doorway. Her almond shaped eyes looked him up and down and her lips upturned in a smirk. "Edward Nigma?" she asked.

"That would be me," Edward answered, trying to ignore how the woman seemed to be devouring him with her eyes. The most awkward part of the job by far. "How can I help you, Ms....?"

"Call me Candace," the woman said, extending her hand out to him. Edward gently took it and gave it a shake before he withdrew his hand.

"Very well Candace," Edward said. "How may I be of assistance to you today?"

"Actually, I'm here on behalf of my boss. He's heard quite a bit about you."

Edward arched an eyebrow. This certainly was unusual. "Does your employer have a name?"

"Rupert Thorne."

Instantly, Edward felt the room drop a few degrees. "Rupert...Thorne?" He had to be dreaming. That was it. There was no way this woman had just come in out of the blue to lead him directly to Rupert Thorne.

"The one and only," Candace smirked.

Edward wet his lip. If Thorne had found out about him and wanted him dead, he wouldn't be sending this woman to do it. It wouldn't hurt to play along. "And just what does the illustrious Rupert Thorne want me to assist him with?"

"You can ask him yourself," Candace gestured to the front door. "I have a car waiting to take you to him. Interested?"

For a long moment, Edward considered this. This would take him straight into Thorne's lair. Kristen would be worried. Nina and Deirdre would call him an idiot. He would be furious. But. But he'd been waiting for this opportunity for five years. When would it ever come again? "Give me just one moment." He walked to his hat rack to put on his flashiest jacket. He also grabbed the cane hung up on the hook next to it. After he put on his bowler hat he flashed Candace what he hoped was his most dazzling smile. "Lead the way."

Edward barely acknowledged Candace on the drive further in Gotham's downtown. He barely took in the sight of the stone building the car had stopped in front of or noticed the plush carpet of the hallway she and two men led him down. He barely heard the light conversation they made over the beating of his own heart. Finally, they stopped in front of a solid oak door. Candace at the front of the group opened it. "We're back, Rupe!" Edward followed Candace and the two men inside and he froze.

There was a man sitting behind a large desk. An older, overweight man with white hair, wearing a black business suit. He looked up when Candace called him and fixed the group with an oily smile. This was the man Edward had spent the last five years of his life working to bring down. This was Rupert Thorne. "Come in, come in!" he beckoned them into his office with a gesture of his palm. Edward wasn't aware that he was stepping forward until he was directly in front of Thorne's desk. Thorne looked up with a glint in his beady black eyes. "Ah, you must be the famous Edward Nigma," Thorne addressed him in a way that was almost charming. He reached his hand out to shake. "Pleased to meet you."

In one second, Edward could reach across the desk and strike Thorne. How often had he lain awake at night, wishing for that? If he'd come armed, he could have delivered a fatal blow to the man before Candace and his guards had time to react. He'd be killed but wouldn't it be worth it to make sure Thorne was put out of this city's misery for good? Edward plastered on a cool smile before he accepted the handshake. "The pleasure's all mine. It's not every day that I get to meet someone as distinguished as yourself." It made Edward almost cringe to be so subservient to the man, but appearances needed to be kept. He rubbed the head of his cane and surreptitiously pressed the record button on the underside of the cane's head. This entire conversation would be recorded. "Now, your very charming assistant said that you requested to meet with me."

Thorne dropped his hand and sat back in his plush red chair. "Yes," he said. "As I've said, I've read quite a lot about you Mr. Nigma. You've made a bit of a name for yourself solving seemingly impossible cases."

Edward made a show of shrugging. "Well, I don't mean to brag, but I am the cleverest men in this city. As well as the best dressed."

Thorne let out a deep laugh. "Well, you're certainly sure of yourself! I like that. To come to the point, I'm in need of your services."

A cold dread settled in Edward's gut. In need of his services...what could that possibly be? "Go on."

Thorne leaned forward then, steepling his fat fingers. "There's one great mystery that no one in this town's ever been able to solve, but I think you can. I'd like you to figure out who the man is behind Batman's mask."

Edward felt as if he was in a daze. Batman. Of all the men and all the things Thorne could ask him for, it had to be Batman. It made sense though. With Falcone and Maroni gone, the only person left to oppose Thorne was Batman. At least, that's what Thorne believed. There was another and he was standing right in front of the gangster's stupid face.

"Mr. Nigma?"

Edward slightly shook his head. "Batman's true identity," he pretended to muse. He rubbed his chin. "I have to admit, that's a question I've pondered myself for some time. To solve that would be quite the challenge."

"So are you interested?"

Edward looked down to study Thorne's expression. He looked right back up, his eyes almost boring into Edward's. He smiled. "Mr. Thorne, I am at your disposal."

Thorne smiled. A cold smile that wouldn't be out of place on a serial killer. In Edward's opinion, Thorne may as well be one. "Excellent! Now, about your fee-"

Edward abruptly raised his hand. "Forget it." He would be dead and buried before he ever accepted Thorne's blood money. The confused expression on Thorne's face however needed to be dealt with. "Beg your pardon, Mr. Thorne, but with something like this, the challenge is its own reward. We can discuss a fee after I deliver Batman's identity to you."

Thorne smiled again and Edward knew he had him. "Mr. Nigma, I think this could be the beginning of a great partnership."

Edward smiled himself. If the fool only knew.

The girls were, as Edward could have predicted, less than thrilled when Edward told them the news that night at Kristen's apartment. Kristen herself sat at her table, picking at the sleeves of her blouse. "Eddie," she said at last. "I'm sorry, but-"

"This is the stupidest damn idea you've ever had," Deirdre piped up from her seat on the couch next to Nina. "What happens if Thorne finds out you were in GCPD?"

"If he didn't figure it out before he had me brought to his office, he's not going to now," Edward said, pacing across Kristen's living room. "Besides, how better to collect evidence against Thorne than from his own mouth? If he trusts me, he may be candid about his actions the last few weeks."

"What about Batman though?" Nina asked. "I get that your pissed at him and I don't blame you, but are you seriously going to go along with trying to figure out who he is?"

"No," he admitted. "But Thorne doesn't need to know that. All I have to do is look busy and he won't have anything to complain about."

"For a few days, maybe," Kristen said. "Eddie, Thorne didn't get to be where he is by being an idiot. He's going to figure out that you're playing him eventually."

"Eventually," Edward said. He wasn't about to deny that Kristen had a point, but he was so close, how could he give up now? "But that's only a problem if I can't get evidence. And I will get evidence."

Kristen shook her head. "Eddie, I really think you should talk to-"

"He's the one that pushed me away, Kristen!" Edward shouted. He saw her flinch and instantly calmed himself down. He sighed. "I'll be alright. I promise."

The three women exchanged an uneasy look.

Tonight was the night, Bruce thought. He drove the Batmobile down Broad and turned onto Main. It was a quiet night on patrol tonight, as it had been for the past two weeks. The relative peace gave Bruce time to think about tonight, about what exactly he would say to Edward when he saw him. He'd apologize, of course. Offer to reform their partnership, if that was what Edward wanted. Bruce swallowed a bit. Tell Edward what he was beginning to feel for him. Everything else was up to Edward.

"Anything interesting going on out there?" Dick's voice rang through the Batmobile's communications.

Bruce leaned forward to press a button. "Nothing so far. Just a mugging and some vandalism."

"Wow. Maybe we should think of retiring. So, have you seen Eddie yet, or?"

Bruce arched an eyebrow. "No, not yet. And since when did you start calling him Eddie?"

Dick laughed. "Well, if we're going to be working together, might as well get comfortable, right? So I'm thinking we could have him be our intel guy. He's still got that informant network that could come in handy."

Bruce hadn't thought that far ahead, but the idea of Edward joining their team was appealing in more ways than one. "I think you're just saying that to get out of intel duty."

"You really are the World's Greatest Detective."

Bruce was about to say something when he caught a glimpse of light in the rearview mirror. He turned around slightly and bit back a curse. The Batsignal was on in the night sky. "I got to go, Dick. I'll check in in a bit." He made a sharp left turn and drove back towards GCPD.

When he arrived on the rooftop of GCPD, Gordon wasn't alone. Standing beside him, clutching her jacket close to her, was Kristen Kringle. Bruce's heart dropped. "What happened?"

Gordon gently put his hand on Kristen's shoulder. "Tell him what you told me."

Kristen took a step forward, her hazel eyes downcast, and said the two words Bruce feared the most. "It's Eddie." She bit her lip. "I think he's in real trouble."

Edward stretched his arms above his head and popped his back with a grunt. He'd just spent the last few hours reviewing the audio he'd taken at Thorne's office and backing it up to his computer. Nothing that directly connected him to the killings of course but it was a start. He'd be meeting Thorne back in his office the next morning at 9 on the dot. Hopefully, he'd slip up then. In the meantime, Edward would have to be careful just how he went about the business with Batman, how to avoid giving away what he knew. He sighed. More than anything, he wished the vigilante was with him now, that they were back to working this case together. He felt the cool wind against his back and he shivered a bit. Then he froze. The window to his fire escape was shut when he came back from Kristen's.

"Edward."

Edward jumped out of his chair and turned around. Batman was there, standing behind his desk. Edward felt almost every emotion competing for dominance in his mind. Elation, at seeing him again. Anger, for being abandoned by him. Confusion, desire...Edward furrowed his brow when he saw how tense the vigilante was, how his fists were clenched. He was angry. "Edward," he spoke again. "Just what in the Hell are you doing?"

Edward almost took a step back before his own ire was roused. Batman was angry at him? That was rich. "I see Kristen got word to you, somehow," he said, crossing his arms. He really should have expected that. "Nice to know that all I had to do to get your attention was to make tangible progress on the case."

"You're throwing yourself in danger, Edward!" Batman shouted at him. He really was angry. "What are you thinking!?"

"I'm thinking that this is the best shot I have at getting evidence against Thorne! O'Reilly's dead and I doubt either of us had any luck connecting him to Thorne!"

"That doesn't mean that you have to take risks like this!" Batman lowered his voice and the timber of it was very familiar to Edward. "Don't you think your life is more important than putting Thorne away?"

He sounded almost stricken and that made Edward's heart beat just a bit faster. He shook his head and stepped forward. "You told me that night when you found out about why I left GCPD that you understood me," he said. He closed the distance between the two of them and impulsively took a gloved hand into his own. "I think now I understand you. You think that you're trying to protect me. I suppose I appreciate the thought, even if the way you go about it is less than ideal. But you're so busy trying to prevent me from getting hurt that you seem to be forgetting that I survived for five years outside of GCPD with nothing but my own wits. You need to respect me as much as protect me."

"Edward-"

Edward held a hand up. "Let me finish. I want to work with you on this, more than anything. You said that you trusted me, and I believe you, but you need to prove it."

There was a long pause before Batman spoke. Soon enough, Batman moved his hands out of Edward's grasp and onto his shoulders. "Three days," he said finally. "I'll give you three days to do this. I'll be by every night to check in with you and at the first hint of any danger, I'm pulling you out. Understand?" Edward nodded. Batman sighed again. "I don't like this."

"It's not strictly speaking what I'd want either," Edward said. "But I can do it."

"I know you can," Batman said again. He dropped his hands and went back towards the open window. "I'll be back tomorrow. Be careful."

Edward nodded. "Thank you."

Batman hesitated as if there was something else he wanted to say, then he left, disappearing into the night.

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powerdadbatman · 7 years

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tessatechaitea · 7 years

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Earth Too: Society #22

What the fuck is going on with Flash's stomach?! That's Observational Comedy 101! I don't actually say anything funny. I just point out that I noticed something!

At the end of the last issue, Batdick was killed. That's probably a good thing because nobody needs a Dick Grayson on Earth Too: The Rebirthening. Ultra-Humanite was also killed by Green Lantern which is not a good thing because nobody in any lousy circle that has ever allowed me to be a part of their circle has ever clamored for an Alan Scott that murders. On the plus side, Vicente Cifuentes drew big tits on every female character. And he's drawing this issue too!

This was my favorite roleplaying game: Small Eyes, Big Tits!

This issue takes place six months after last issue ended. Power Girl seems happy and big titted (like usual). Actually, based on the size of tits that Vicente loves to draw, Power Girl's tits are just average! Her main super power (according to Comic Vine) is Big Old Titties (just after Wind Bursts). I suppose I'm being too critical. What do I know about the laws of physics on Earth Too: The Rebirthening?! Power Girl is flying around Metropolis Too while think-speaking to America. At first I just thought she was thinking to herself but when she's interrupted by a report of a robbery in progress, she thinks, "Oh, one sec." You don't say that if you're just thinking to yourself. So she's totally in a telepathic bond with America right now, discussing how much she loves Earth Too: The Rebirthening.

Seeing heroes as a boon and not a menace should be the lowest bar of a comic book world! Fuck, comics are in such a terrible state. Stop trying so hard to reflect the real world and maybe present a world of inspiration like you're supposed to be doing, comic books! Having that happen here on Earth Too: The Rebirthening shouldn't be an anomaly!

Instead of moving into the future and showing why people should totally be creaming their jeans for whatever version of Earth 2 will crop up in Rebirth, Power Girl decides to remind everybody of how terrible Earth 2 and World's End and Convergence and Earth Too: Society were. Normally, I wouldn't suggest recapping a series in the final issue¹. Also, I'm not suggesting it now, if that whole "normally" clause confused you into thinking I was going to conclude with an "in this case." My guess is that everybody reading this issue remembers how terrible all of the Earth 2 stories were. It was almost as if DC saw how popular the Injustice comic book was and was desperate to have that kind of thing happening in their canon universe. Maybe that would have been interesting if they didn't fuck over Earth 2 to do it. The way Power Girl is explaining things, this feels like it should have been the Earth 2 Rebirth issue. But what new readers are hopping on at Issue #22 and thinking, "I hope this explains what this book has been about and where it's headed!"

Yeah, this is a good way to look at what happened. Just forget about all the non-Wonder survivors of Earth 2 who were wiped out of existence by the miraculous do-over.

This miracle is like the time the Non-Certified Spouse was told she was pregnant by about fifteen thousand home pregnancy tests (she's a bit obsessive) but was then menstruating two days later. Sure, I called that a miracle but some people might have looked side-eye at me for that proclamation! Thank you, Baby Jesus, for taking away my child (whom we named Astird (yes, like from The Office))! I didn't even pray for this great miracle! I always knew he was pro-choice! One thing I learned from the experience is that these pregnancy tests that proclaim they can tell a woman if they're pregnant earlier than anybody else due to changing hormones and not due to a fertilized egg actually attaching to the uterine wall to set up shop for the next nine months are causing an epidemic of heartbreak and grief. I found a number of forums on the web where women were shattered that they had seemingly lost their baby in cases like these. To be fair, it's not simply the pregnancy test's fault. It's also the fault of the Anti-Choice people and their life begins at conception propaganda campaign. If a pregnancy stick says pregnant than the woman must be pregnant! It's not like science and biology are complicated matters! They're God's will! If a sperm fertilizes an egg, that's it! LIFE, MOTHERFUCKER! And if that egg doesn't attach or the body rejects it for whatever reason, your sins probably caused that to happen! And now you've killed your child, you selfish bastard! Power Girl points out that, since this is a second chance, the Wonders are going to make it work this time. I guess they took the old world for granted and just shrugged off all the crime and disasters happening around them. This time, though, they're going to save everybody and Darkseid will never get a foothold on their Earth because they're all so damn vigilant now!

Hey kid! Watch the grabby hands!

To be fair to that kid, at least he isn't hanging on with his lips like some person I know that totally isn't me but, like, a friend or something. Look at that previous scan. See that pudgy fuck with the old timey mustache? He's definitely a super villain. According to Power Girl's summation of Earth Too: The Rebirthening, the defining characteristics of this new world are that Batman is a woman and Superman is black. Also probably that Green Lantern is gay. It's an Earth 2 for a new generation! The first Earth 2 was all white men and women (mostly men!) fighting Nazis. But then Earth 1 came along to update that old way of thinking, creating a world where white men and women (mostly men!) fought things other than Nazis. Now this new Earth 2 is about diversity! I guess this Earth 2 is in the DC You Universe? At the weekly meeting of the Justice Society, we learn that Earth Too: The Rebirthening has a Lex Luthor and a Belle Reve. Also that the voice that's been alerting the Wonders to crimes is that of Oracle. Who is Oracle? Probably Batdick's computerized brainwaves. Remember how he had a broken back! Also maybe he's not totally dead or something (he isn't! He's last to arrive to the meeting which starts off with a total downer remembrance of everybody who died while trying to fix Earth 2 basically since The New 52 began). The Ranking! +1! This is where Earth 2 should have began when it started about a year into The New 52! All that other shit should have been brainstormed as background and not sold as a monthly comic book (weekly at times with World's End! UGH!) for five years! Anyway, I guess Earth 2 is now a kind of mish-mash of Pre-Crisis, Post-Zero-Hour, Pre-Infinite Crisis, Post-New-52, Prebirth, Afterbirth, Preboot, and Reboot universes! It's what DC Comics should always and never have been! Or something. Anyway, it at least ends in a way that makes a Rebirth Earth 2 possibly interesting. _______________________ ¹Oh god. Is this the final issue? I fucking hope this is the final issue!

#Earth 2 #Society #DC Comics #Dan Abnett #Vicente Cifuentes #Rex Lokus

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