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wrenwinchester · 2 months

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Bear with me here. Because I have. Some thoughts.

First things first, visit here for another in depth analysis of the table carvings that doesn’t really have anything to do with my commentary, but I found it while looking for the picture for the table and liked their analysis. So….

Anyway, the table. We watch as Sam and Dean carve their own initials, and we know Mary’s initials get added after her death in season 14. That’s all fine and dandy. And we know Cas and Jack’s names get added sometime after Cas’s death, and presumably after Jack leaves, but we don’t really know when, or even by who. We also don’t really know who carved Mary’s initials, not really.

However, we see Sam and Dean’s different styles of carving into things twice. (Sorry about the gore it was the cleanest picture I could find of the car initials completely.)

Now, neither of the boys are identical, however, we can see a distinct difference between Sam and Dean’s style. Dean carves deep, so it will stay a long time, despite wear and tear. Sam however carves wide. He carves out his initials instead of making a hole. It’s much more surface level, almost as if he’s scared of getting in trouble and wants it to be easier to get rid of. But that’s something we can get into later.

When they add Mary’s initials there are a couple things that tip us off that it was Dean who actually carved them in, A) they’re from that direction, which is the side/seat Dean almost always sits in when both brothers are up and about. And B) it has that same depth to it as his initials, and the same style of how the lives meet. Therefore Dean carved Mary’s initials.

However, this brings us back to Jack and Cas.

Both Cas and Jack’s names have that same width over depth, more surface level carving as Sam’s initials. Especially when compared to Dean and Mary’s. The S in Castiel has very similar strokes to the S for Sam’s initials, and the A’s and C’s in their names are similar if not the same (or as same as they can be considering they were carved into wood and sometimes the grain of the wood disrupts flow a little bit).

This, to me, means that Sam was the one to carve Castiel and Jack’s names into the table. And I’d even bet, that he didn’t do it until after Dean died.

Now I could be wrong about this last part, but if I’m remembering correctly, we don’t see all five names/initials until after Dean’s death. While Sam is sitting at the table (notably in Dean’s spot, and wearing dean’s sweatshirt.) with Miracle, so it’s plausible, and even probable.

And I’d bet he did it when he decided he couldn’t live in the bunker anymore without Dean because every little thing reminded him of his brother. And I’ll bet he did it because they are a part of his family and they deserved to be remembered too.

Castiel, the angel of Thursday, the angel who betrayed heaven for the sake of humanity. Who chose over and over again to take the Winchester’s side over any other supernatural being because he trusted their sense of right versus wrong. Castiel, one of the Winchester’s only friends who stuck around, who made sure that they took care of themselves, and made sure to save them while they were saving the world. Castiel, the Winchester’s best friend.

And Jack, their kid. Sure, he was the spawn of Lucifer, but he was Castiel’s kid. He was Sam’s kid, and he was Dean’s kid. (I’ll get to a rant about Dean and Jack’s relationship at a different point because I have thoughts.) Jack saved the world, and he turned out good because of Castiel, because of Sam, and because of Dean. Jack took the mantle of God to protect the world, so he could protect his family, and keep the angels from interfering with human affairs.

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revvethasmythh · 7 months

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An idle thought, really, but I think it's interesting to see fandom latch on the metaphorical interpretation of things like Laudna's relationship with Delilah as a metaphor for addiction or Imogen's psychic powers as a metaphor for either chronic pain or queerness, but there's much less attachment to or discussion of the characters who explicitly, canonically dealt with exactly those things. By which I mean Scanlan's substance abuse, Veth's alcoholism, and even Ashton's chronic pain (which feels like it was discussed much more before it was confirmed canon, and seems to be brought up mostly just as ship fodder these days). I suppose one could argue the devotion to the metaphorical interpretations lies in the fact that it's an interpretation of canon as opposed to being explicitly so, meaning there's more wiggle room to project a personal interpretation onto it. Explicit canon is more concrete, less malleable to the individual viewer. Still, if we're going to talk about addiction now in a metaphorical sense via Laudna, it leads me to wonder if we will see further discussion of the characters who explicitly dealt with addiction (Veth and Scanlan), as opposed to Laudna's purported allegorical version of it

#take this with a grain of salt because I was not directly involved in the fandom when major things re: veth and scanlan's #substance abuse issues were ongoing for the most part #so if there WAS a wider discussion of this that has happened in fandom I might just not know about it #that said in my experience it has not come up much at all #so even if there was discussion you rarely see it come up in the ongoing reception of the characters #which may just be an effect of WHO those specific characters are #i.e. two consecutive sam pcs (explicitly) vs now a marisha pc (in the metaphorical sense)#because I am familiar with scanlan often being called unfair and veth often being called selfish #but re: laudna many of her decisions (see: killing bor'dor) have the blame shunted onto other characters (orym) to absolve her #of having made those decisions to begin with #neither veth nor scanlan have ever been shown that kind of leniency in the fandom that I know of #particularly as it pertains to their very real struggles with addiction #ANYWAY this is not going into the maintag lol. lmao even #like am I fan of the comparison to addiction? eh. it doesn't quite feel like it fits. like it's not a perfect comparison #but like I'll play ball with it a little I guess since it's been brought up in canon

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doctorwhoarchive · 8 months

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so I know some people hc that Kirby’s parents used to babysit Sam and Tara right

so what if they babysat them for a long time like since Sam was a baby

and Kirby, being 4 years older than Sam, remembers some stories and stuff of little Sam that not even Sam herself remembers

now imagine the core 4 + Kirby together having a good time and vibing when out of nowhere Kirby decides to be a menace and bring up the absolute most embarrassing story of baby Sam she can think of just to piss her off and make everyone else laugh

#poor sam is so easy to pick on #I just know sam has high blood pressure issues and it’s not even bc of ghostface no it’s bc of all she puts up with from these little shits #they’ll be having a good night then boom kirby brings up the potty training story #bc let’s face it christina and mr. carpenter were probably absent for all the important milestones in sam’s life #oops this just took a sad turn ANYWAYS #bonus: kirby whips out a photo album of toddler sam out of nowhere #tara laughs so hard everytime but immediately shuts up when sam reminds her she’s got just as many embarrassing stories of her #this is so stupid idk what this is I’m rambling it’s 2:30am #kirby reed #sam carpenter #tara carpenter #core four #scream

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nobodymitskigabriel · 2 months

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It just hardly sticks..the fact that Jack decides to turn on Lucifer because Lucifer killed a single innocent person. Something that Sam and Dean have both done before. On a scale of badness, killing one girl is like...ok that's bad and you shouldn't do it but we've seen Lucifer dump entire towns into mass graves. If the intention was that Jack has flawed qualifying system for what makes someone an irredeemable monster then I feel that that very much did not get across. For a critical character defining moment that was meant to be very enlightening for Jack and exemplify his internal/external strengths and the ways he differs from Lucifer, I feel that his turning point should've been much closer in scale to the terrible things Lucifer's done.

#jack finding out about sam being tortured in the cage save me #one of the many many many issues i have with the way jacks arc was written #supernatural #jack kline #lucifer spn

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raspberryjellybrains · 4 months

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[a promotional picture of Sam and Dean Winchester, Sam on the left and Dean on the right, their images from circa 2010. They both stare challengingly into the camera with their arms crossed, though Dean also holds a large blade. The background is a two lane blacktop with an older style of power line and corn on either side. At the top and bottom are flames. Sam says "im restricting", Dean says "and im bingeing" and the flaming text gif at the bottom reads "the eating disorder brothers.]

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#theyre both so unwell #grew up in a financially unstable environment and coped opposite ways.#and i left it broad on purpose bc theres a lot of ways you can interpret their weird shit about food #bc i too am deeply unwell i counted every time sam eats on screen (not sits next to a plate of food–actually puts it in his mouth) and its #22 times. less than twice a season. i realize this could be in large part bc jared didnt want to have to act that but im choosing to Believe #not in him but my mentally ill agenda. bc you wanna look at me and say that hes totally normal aboht this when he has a guilt complex #autonomy issues a holdup with purity/cleanliness a boatload of self-loathing and an obsession with control.#and this feels familiar so just message or comment for credit or removal :)#i dont mean to plagiarize #also i didnt talk about it much but. dean definitely sees food as an assurance of safety and turns to it when under duress to the point of #excess. and also gets very specific and protective/territorial about his food.#so.#this is a silly meme but there are so many thoughts behind it #sam winchester #dean winchester #spn #ed mention

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brittlebutch · 7 months

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tbh Zelda's "I think I just need to freak out for a little bit" line in Belles of the Baronies might be one of my favorite lines from her; peak "I'm not fine but it's fine" phrasing

#N posts stuff #I especially love it in its context which is that she's at a fancy party and getting wigged out by all the people and SPECIFICALLY #that she says 'this music is kind of stressing me out' about whatever run of the mill music they'd play at a party like that and so she goe #to put her headphones in to go mosh out to her usual metal -- so many people will rag on you for liking that kind of music when you #also have sensory issues 'oh if you can handle That noise i'm sure you can handle this [noisy situation] fine' WRONG #but i love that Zelda is allowed to put it as plainly as this and no one calls her out like it's some kind of contradiction #ESPECIALLY love that this line is Direct response to Sam asking if she wants to go out somewhere even quieter like the stables #and offers to have like Sending queued up so that they'll be able to get her right away if they need her -> not only not making a big deal #about her having to leave Immediately after they arrived but also being more than willing to Accommodate her in that wholly #they're so sweet and i love them. samzelda gang forever. anyway i think i want to make a shirt with some art of zelda on the front #and then that line on the back in some unintelligible metal band font i think it would be So dope if only i could get the energy to do it #dimension 20 #d20: seven maidens #d20lb

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paellegere · 1 month

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i got curious about mary's role post-resurrection so i looked at a list of all her appearances in season 12 only to discover that she's only in about half of the episodes. which is surprising because like, where the fuck is she going? where is her character arc going to take her such that she's separated from her children for entire episodes, 33 years in the future with everyone else she's ever known or loved dead?

i'm just eternally fascinated that supernatural is a show about sam and dean, and literally no other character including their own mother is allowed to impede on that. every other character has to be removed at some point from the brotherly unit so as not to infringe on their domination of the narrative. every other character is expendable, unnecessary for the show to function continuously. every other character can go off on their own for several episodes at a time and live a life separate from them. there's no limit to this and no one is allowed to get close enough to sam and dean to negate this reality.

#liveblogging: supernatural #i wouldn't say they commit to this very well because the presence of the recurring cast expands their world and does a disservice to the #themes of isolation and the idea that they only have each other established by early seasons #but the bunker also does a disservice to the premise of it being a road show so like there are plenty of criticisms to make about how #spn has changed over the years #anyway i have critiqued spn on its inability to commit to either a small isolated cast OR a large recurring cast #which is where a lot of the issues i have with many characters stem from #since they're not well developed for the roles the show is trying to force them into #and potential is routinely wasted #anyway. that's just tangential. at the end of the day the show does always bring it back to sam and dean. one unit.#and no one not even other main characters are allowed into that inner circle #made real and evident by their mere presence or absence across episodes #it's just an interesting thing #.txt #spn posting

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rogersstevie · 11 months

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this season of ted lasso saying sam should forgive racists who vandalized the restaurant and then you know, dropping anything to do with that storyline immediately afterwards

and the saying jamie should forgive his abusive father bc hating him apparently isn’t good for him or whatever

doesn’t feel great tbh

#ted lasso #like yes absolutely tbf for some people spending that energy hating their abuser doesn't work #and they ultimately decide to forgive for themselves which i get is what they were advocating for #in his and ted's convo #but it's also like i don't even think jamie HAS had a lot of hatred bc so much of the time has been trying to prove himself to his father #and with sam they had that weird bit like 'oh we'll keep the broken mirrors bc it doesn't have to be perfect'#bc he was so concerned about everything being just right with the restaurant like...this was not that #could've kept the mirrors sure but not comparing it to the issue from earlier like....it was intended to be a violent attack #and then ya know. just never mentioned again all wrapped up apparently bc he chose to let it go #which hey they can absolutely go the route of sam choosing to let it go but that doesn't mean the problem is gonna go away #it's just like the whole thing i get forgiveness is a big part of the show but these are two things that i just don't love to see #though at least with jamie they've dedicated a good amount of the show to that particular issue and it's not so with sam #and they gave so much to colin's story line?? which has been pretty well done ofc but they were really like #sam gets a single episode and it's all wrapped up in the end bye like WHAT #ik with so many characters they can't devote the same amount of time to everyone but like....they should've done better for sam #and now there's only one ep left so ya know. i thought they might come back to it but they did not

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suncaptor · 2 years

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You know, I kind of feel like I got slipped the worst mickey of all time...

#I've been thinking about this post SO much for a while now.#the layers of which Sam gets his memories back plus the contrast between soulless Sam's hypersexuality #Given what Sam experiences in the Cage + the fact he didn't actually consent to the memories of him having sex #Even if there's not exactly fault because his soulless self + partners did. but he has those memories.#And like obviously Sam's more concerned about trying to kill Bobby! But I just. The way he says this line. And the hypersexuality of #Soulless Sam + the nature of many memories he's missing over the top of one another....#S.a #Tw implied noncon #Tw consent issues #Tw abuse #Tw noncon #spn #incoherents #sammy #supernatural #sam winchester #S6 #web weaving #Lucifer #S7 #Like a virgin #Tw rape #Ask to tag #Tw drugs #? Just in case given the metaphor #I suppose part of this post is just me being like. Actually let's look at the trauma of Sam facing memories of soulless Sam (imposed with #Regards or absence to regards of the Cage) instead of fixating on how soulless Sam was evil and Sam #Feels guilty or to atone or the ways people around him react etc

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souporsaladnatural · 5 months

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Goddd what Dean goes through with Cas in seasons 6-8 particularly makes me so insane

strained relationship. Defending Cas against Sam and Bobby despite his own suspicions because Dean has faith in him. Cas' betrayal. Cas becoming God. His subsequent death. Mourning him. Finding Cas alive, but with no memories. Seeing him get his memories back, but not getting a chance to talk about what happened because Cas takes on Sam's hallucinations. Going to purgatory. Getting abandoned immediately. Searching for Cas for a year. Finding Cas and immediately learning he stayed away on purpose. Thinking he failed to get Cas out of purgatory. Thinking he's hallucinating him. Cas comes back. He tells Dean that he chose to stay and Dean falsified memories to make it his own fault. Cas is back, but he's acting weird. Again. Dean knows and prays to him anyway. Cas almost kills him for the angel tablet. He then heals Dean and leaves without any explanation. Cas comes back. He attempts to repair their relationship, then immediately goes off with Metatron to deal with heaven. Cas tells Dean he's sealing up heaven forever with himself in it. He will probably be killed. Dean doesn't ask him to stay. Can't imagine why.

Sam is dying, and Dean prays to Cas. None of whats happened matters, none of what Cas has done matters. He just needs him there. Even now, he has faith in Cas.

Cas is human now. He can't hear him.

Sidenote: i am NOT saying that dean didnt do anything wrong in their relationship in these seasons, or that Cas didnt have real and even justified reasons for alot of his actions. This is j what im rotating in my brain rn, and i wanted to list it all out for maximum brain worms <333

#they never got to talk about fuckin anythingggg #cas babygirl i love you but PLEASE explain your actions to dean he does not have alot to work with here #they have the communication issues of all time #there are so many times where dean reaches out because he needs cas he wants him there we wants him to stay #and it never works #cas not hearing the prayer at the beginning of season 9 is lik sam never knowing the phone call at the end of season 4 was tampered with #to me #spn #supernatural #destiel #dean winchester #cat spirals tag

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philiponmycracker · 14 days

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#Look at my ship #Who are you to judge me and my ship #yes I do have issues So many #So glorious #Gorgeous edit #Jason dixon #Red Welby #three billboards outside ebbing missouri #sam rockwell #Youtube

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quietwingsinthesky · 9 months

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not to think seriously about the samelia arc but idk something interesting there through the lens of aromantic dean coming back and just. not getting it.

One of the first things he asks Sam about what happened while he was gone is “was there a girl?” and when told there was, he’s very upset by that. There was a girl, and in Dean’s mind, Sam chose her over Dean. And wants to continue choosing her! Wants to go back to her, says as much about wanting to go back to that life and almost does after the text message debacle!

And looking at this from Dean’s POV, Dean who tried to have that same kind of Normal Heterosexual Romance Life with lisa, and who it didn’t work for. could never quite make himself fit into place, couldn’t give her things he wasn’t even aware he couldn’t feel. who, as soon as he knew Sam was alive, made it a priority to stick close to his brother even at the expense of that relationship with Lisa. Like. Of course Dean doesn’t get what Sam wants with Amelia. He tried it! He lived it! For him, it felt wrong!

His life with Sam, for all that it’s a fucked up one, is more fulfilling to him than “being in love” with Lisa, and so even beyond the fact that he’s always going to need to choose Sam because that’s been his job since he was a kid, he’s always going to want to choose Sam.

and the idea that there’s some hierarchy of relationships for Sam where Dean isn’t the one he wants to spend his life with? That’s terrifying and confusing to him (if completely untrue, since Sam also proves time and time again that in the end he’ll always choose Dean.) Dean’s got no idea what being aromantic actually is, he’s Dean. Meaning to him, what he had with Lisa is either what everyone gets out of a romantic relationship or he’s broken in ways other people aren’t, depending on how much he hates himself that day. Neither of which are true, but you can see how, with that assumption, the idea that Sam wants to leave this life with him for a woman he met less than a year ago is kind of hard for him to process.

#does this make any sense lmao #Dean 🤝 me: ‘why is this person so special to u? u love them? that sounds fake. I’m the one you’ve known forever.’#it’s this weird intersection of jealousy society says you’re not allowed to have because your friend/brother is Right to put their romantic #partner before you in every situation (fucked up). and not understanding the hype because. u don’t get those feelings. don’t happen to you #staring at amatonormativity and feeling like shit that you’re on the outside of everything #which. clearly. would aggravate uh All Of Dean’s Issues.#this man can fit so much abandonment in him #anyway. Dean’s reaction to Amelia bad for many reasons but understandable too for many reasons.#but especially if he’s aromantic and Does Not Get why sam thinks loving this woman is a fair enough reason to leave his life with dean #spn #dean winchester #aro!dean

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strawberrycola · 1 month

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hello. i made a very long, very indulgent addition to the sam and max subreddit post earlier, and decided to make it its own post because i had way too many thoughts for a reblog. and the idea of clogging notes was eating away at my brain like mice eat a cheese. this is mostly just train of thought, so i apologise if it's complete nonsense. i've just thought a lot about sam and max's relationship, and the connection lgbt (and neurodivergent, for that matter) fans have had to the series, from my perspective since i was like 8. obviously that's gonna be tinted thru a tumblr lens, because ftmp that's where i see The Good Stuff. and i'm gay as hell, so there's bias. ok read more time kiss kiss.

anyhoozles, coincidentally i've been back on my sam and max bullshit recently, as i finally got a chance to play "this time it's virtual". and discovered vr is not my thing.

so to start, listen...i don't think sam and max's relationship is quite as cut and dry as i believe myself and perhaps many others would imagine/hope. i'm eyeing the "susan" gag from the aformentioned ttiv, in particular. but as your resident specialist in "complex and obscure knowledge of three series total or so", the question of sam and max's relationship has been here since the very beginning of the official comics. like. this has been a thing. pretending it's new is foolhardy. and wrong. obviously there's "like butch and sundance", the wedding toppers, hell, the devs of the telltale game trilogy lampshade their relationship a very decent amount, both in the game itself and in the commentary. at the end of 209, "chariot of the dogs", they directly bring it up during the final cutscene tie straightening maneuver max does. one of the devs literally gets excited about it, iirc. and one of my personal favourite examples is "do you find my warmth...alarming, sam?" from 305, "the city that dares not sleep."

that, in particular, is one of several lines directly from MR. PURCELL HIMSELF, that he gave to the devs each game as lines that must be in the game.

and speaking of season 3, i'd like to mention 305, "they stole max's brain".

(i am now holding "noir sam" so close to my chest, jsyk. that trope means the world to me. it has influenced SO much of my work, and i still use napalm's playthrough on youtube as a sleep aid. REMASTER WHEN.)

of course i and many others latched onto that shit, are you kidding me???? that whole episode was RIPE for hurt/comfort. minor spoiler warning for those that would mind, it's a roaring rampage of revenge plot. at least for the first 30 minutes or so. it's part of a long history between the two of freaking the hell out the second they're separated from each other in a way that doesn't end in like, five minutes. (305. if you know, you know. fkin brutal, man.) sam, in the second act of the game, has been affected by an alternate reality plot, and fully believes he has carried max's brain in a jar his whole LIFE and seemingly has no plans to stop doing so!! it's part of a season where the WHOLE PLOT revolves around the nature of their relationship and how it could change. you don't have to be a shipper yourself to understand how that could be incredibly compelling to the people that fancy them as a couple.

and it's a fandom that i give a lot of credit to lgbt people for revitalising in the mid 2010s~ (i was already a fan by then, and i'm still really curious as to why it blew up so much, but hey, who's complaining?), as well as in 2021~ in response to skunkape's remaster of telltale's season one "save the world" installment, and the release of ttiv. (obviously the actual demographic spread across platform to platform is a varied thing, etc. etc. i'd like to stay firmly in my lane, and i don't wanna overstate any particular demos in my discussion here, or hyperbolise too much.)

Obviously, you don't have. to be a shipper. completely fine. pretty common. Who Give A Care. and we're not even gonna get into the "not suitable" content. i can't fault anyone for not being cool with the actual sexualisation of childhood stuff they like. that's something i'm pretty "ambivalent with a leaning towards discomfort" about for quite a few things myself. and it turns out there wasn't even any "unmentionable graphic imagery" to begin with. shocking. HOWEVER. i'm fascinated but not completely surprised by the blatant homophobia and disgust towards the fanart of the ship.

like, to be nuanced about things, and it's not like the admin is extending the same courtesy here, this is clearly an older fan. like i think from around the same timeframe i was first introduced to it, give or take. maybe they missed a lot of the tumblr mid-2010s activity, or maybe that's going in to their Burning Disgust towards Yaoi Sam and Max Kissing Not Clickbait. i know the fanart had some level of cross-posting, at least on youtube as dubs iirc. OR maybe i'm a fool who is actively tricking you with my words and none of the above is true at all. however...pal. again, in my opinion, we owe those lgbt and neurodivergent kids and adults our whole rights as a fan community. you don't have to like it, but you do have to be respectful, jerkbag.

i can't be the only one who was devastated by the drought of content post "the devil's playhouse". we had a [1] singular whole webcomic to tide us over, with the occasional sketch on purcell's social medias. of course, there was a small community of fans, and some incredible stuff they made, looking at you Sam Dies At The End. i weeped. but it was slow and steady. and then, out of seemingly nowhere, people en masse suddenly REALLY CARED ABOUT THE THING THAT BROUGHT ME SO MUCH JOY AS A LITTLE GUY. like, fuck man...i first found out what autism was when i was real young because max's character description on wikipedia contained speculation as to whether or not he has it. (jury's still out, ...but we all have our little comforts. okay? also speaking of, "is max gay?" is like. one of the longest ongoing bits. like cmon dude.) now granted, by 2021 i was a little old for the new wave of shipping that sprouted up. tiktok edits are Not Always My Thing. but that's okay!!!! it doesn't need to be my thing. i'm really glad they're having fun. :] and i don't want to come across as like. infantilising in my discussion of the younger fanbase, so i apologise if my tone has come across that way. it really is simply the comforting thought that kids like me can experience what i had.

i remember how much fun my friends and i used to have when we were 16! (hi xavier, if ur reading this. miss you, buddy. :]) we got silly with it! we got angsty about season 3!! we wrote fanfiction, hell, an amazing fic my friend wrote that i beta'd is still the most kudos'd shipping fic on ao3!! the fanartists i liked had such an INCREDIBLE grasp on how to write sam and max's banter. it was a good time! and knowing these characters are giving joy to a new generation makes me giddy, dude. hell yeah! get "feral" or whatever the hell it is these days. find comfort in characters that don't really care about anyone's opinion except each other's, who get to be as weird and annoying and gross as they want all the time. that tend to punch up. that show love differently than what's seen as conventional. that end up saving the day, not even because they have to, so much as they genuinely enjoy each adventure together. max was my personal opportunity to feel comfort in all my weird freaky mannerisms i kept safe behind the polished exterior i had to wear as a kid. i found solace in the thought that those two were practically made for each other, as i stumbled through my own gender and sexuality crises. i loved how dry and dark sam was allowed to be. the banjo bits, the phone jokes, the repartee. so much of this series has influenced me, and helped me become who i am, as a creator and as a functional guy who Does Things.

so that's a small bit of why i think sam and max had, and still has, a lot of appeal to people that grew up like me. there's a lot of rough stuff i went through that made the idea of a couple of anarchist detectives completely devoted to one another that go around the seedy underbelly of america saving the day ("almost on purpose!") really, really interesting. steve purcell is unapologetic about how gross america can be, especially in the comics. at the heart of it, sam and max do what they do both because they enjoy it, and they enjoy each other. and i think, to overlook that, is to miss some of the whole point of the franchise. oh, i'm sorry, giant cockroaches literally everywhere is fine, streets crusted in various goos, totally chill, but gay kissing is the thing that Absolutely Nauseates you? plugging your ears and screaming gross seems like...kind of a weak move here, ngl. a work that doesn't shy away from how confusing and wild life can be has a decent chance to be compelling to marginalised groups, who often have to put up with the more disgusting aspects of reality anyways. at least these two odd guys are having fun with it. sam and max understand each other, each of their strengths and flaws, and choose to be with each other every day because of and in spite of them. they choose to love where they are, because of and in spite of its many, many, many flaws. they choose to be who they are because they love what they do. there's something touching there, if you like to think about such things. there are some occasions i find myself wishing sam and max's relationship was more...concrete. i wish we had an answer to Does Sam And Max Is Gay? but at the same time, being vague and obtuse is like. their whole shtick. so maybe it's just right how it is. and uh. obviously this is a fictional series. in the end, it's all how we enjoy it that matters, and it's not the end of the world. and as a final cherry on top, nothing beats turning to my husband and asking, "is sam and max queerbait", before delighting in the 3 hr conversation that follows.

and to get to the point. as the old adage unfortunately goes, it's...okay. to not like...ships. and i can even somewhat understand being frustrated by a subreddit you created being "flooded" by a thing you're not into. only somewhat, because a: we've always been here, and b: because you can. just not look at it? idk if reddit has a filtering system, but. the scroll wheel is free. to throw a tantrum and ban topics because you're personally offended people think they're gay? you might be missing out on some of the most fun you can have outside the series, and you're spitting in the face of the people who held this fandom up on their shoulders like atlas.

and you're being a dick about it.

TO CONCLUDE:

wah wah they're gay gay homosexual gay and they don't pay taxes. deal or die, fake fan.

#bee bumbles #thanks for listening to my ted talk.#at the end of it all. mod's a coward. watch the new shipping subreddit become the active one #like the jojos subreddit all over again #also so many subreddits have issues with questions popping up over and over again. get over it pal. hand over admin to someone else #if you're not having fun anymore #like i get it would prolly suck to hand over something you created. but you know what else sucks #vitriolic homophobia and censorship because you saw fanart of sam and max cuddling as they sleep one too many times #jesus #i thought we got over the idea that shipping exists in fandom in like. 2012.#freelance husbands #hey. just in case you're interested.#update: lol mod's getting clowned on rip

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happy wincest wednesday!! say more about the sam/dean/crowley love triangle❣️

YESSSS my favourite topic, thank you vicky 💘

the thing i love most about sam/dean/crowley is the canon moments we have, which are wild-- dean canonically has sex with crowley, crowley canonically wants to see sam in s&m gear, sam canonically wants to beat crowley to death-- all fabulous. the thing that strikes me the most about this triad is how many little moments there are between them, especially in season 9-10. not romantic-- i mean the moments that demonstrate dean's loyalty towards crowley, all of which are followed by sam clearly swallowing a lot of anger. and for good reason! it's delicious that one of the few people dean consistently seems to get along with in season nine and ten killed someone sam cared about in season eight. it's such a crazy dynamic to set up, especially coming right off the sacrifice church scene *which crowley saw* 😵‍💫

i've posted the things i've noticed while watching season ten so far, but there's so many interesting reactions from sam when dean mentions crowley. i highly advocate doing a close watch with that in mind. it's SO FUN. SAM HATES HIM SO MUCH. i wrote a post a while back that addresses the way sam, during the mark of cain arc, acts as a united front with dean as often as he can when they're around other people, but when they're alone, he argues hard. i think crowley is a great example of this. i have no examples rn, so correct me if evidence says otherwise, but: sam sees crowley as a threat to his relationship with dean. he knows that dean has a connection with him, and he knows that crowley saw him at his "worst" in the church after the trials, and we know via that deleted scene that sam intended to kill crowley as soon as he became human. sam works overtime to look like he knows what he's doing whenever crowley's around, and crowley knows that and thinks it's hilarious (blade runners comes to mind). i really do think that crowley's presence during sacrifice weighs on sam; he hates feeling weak, and knowing that crowley saw all of that, and then, later, that crowley heard god knows what from demon!dean?? that crowley was inside of him and, worse, that he was doing him a favour?!? sam guards his secrets as best he can-- i really think this is one of his worst case scenarios.

sam just-- hates him. it's great. crowley gets a kick out of knowing how badly sam wants to kill him, i think, which makes the whole messy triangle so much funnier. meanwhile, dean's in that position where an ex-fwb is also a colleague and a friend you need to maintain a relationship with, which is always fun. all in all, the lack of threesome fics is criminal. give me the messy layers!!!!

#.ask #thank you for this i love them #i don't know if any of this makes sense #but hopefully i'll have more to say when i get back to my rewatch #not many people get under sams skin so the fact that crowley does is HILARIOUS #thankfully he gets his own by fucking rowena #god bless mommy issues

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