#Rpf debate

[zingaplanet]

it’s incredibly creepy to ship real people you don’t even know irl, and doubly creepy to describe their relationships as “canon” as though they’re characters and not actual real people?? literally why just ship fictional characters its not that hard 😭

Hmm ok RPF debates have been ongoing since forever and I absolutely agree that there's a fundamental ethical line in it that CAN NEVER BE CROSSED. Like I absolutely cringe when ppl show the actual people their fanworks of them being shipped with someone else. As well as if fans lost sight of reality and they actually started believing their own stuffs, and even worse, TARGET their supposed significant others, this happened so many times and it's such a toxic culture because it harms so many people and hurt their personal lives.

But on the other hand, I also don't believe that people should be punished for, in its most basic form, basically 'hoping' and 'rooting' for certain people to be together. The thing with RPF is, I think the morale boundary is firm that we only imagine said RP in the capacity of its 'public persona', that is, what they have WILLINGLY shred with us in the context of what they're known in the public for, if they're perhaps an actor, an athlete, etc. My interpretation of someone that I might ship in RPF is exactly only from the media that they operate in, their interviews, their performances, etc, or basically what THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES TO THE PUBLIC, (how they are as a tennis player in the tennis world, as a footballer in the football sphere, as an actor in showbiz, etc).

Precisely because we have NO IDEA what their personal lives look like, nor is it our business, that I believe give RPF a little bit of breathing room. Because the part that is 'fictionalised' so to say is the part of them understood to us SUBJECTIVELY through the medium of our social media, press, television, etc. We can never know what they're really like in real life and we only have access to one section of their world, not the others. In a sense, RPF can also be seen simply as another perspective of interpretation, of this 'public persona'. I believe that the way certain people present themselves in media allow multitudes of understandings, rhetorics, and explanations to be made just as with ANY MEDIA CONTENT, without all of them necessarily being true, or even false.

In this context, I believe it'd be wrong to say that there's no element of fiction in it whatsoever either. Because, as much as we'd like to believe it and stay within the moral safe zone, I don't think fictional works are that safe either. A LOT of fictional works are actually based on real people, and a lot of the romance stories or movies you consumed took major part of their inspiration from REAL LIFE events. The difference is, of course, they adopted this persona under a different name, a given fictional name that the writers gave us. For instance, even Holmes and Watson are based on real people and most of the greatest work of fiction has a large chunk of reality rooted in it.

This also answers why RPF is appealing, because in essence, I believebhumans might love dreaming and hoping, but they crave even more to know that there's an element of truth in it, that this story is embedded in reality and that it can also happen to us. Isn't that the whole attractice premises of biopic movies/ historical fictions?

Bottom line is, I think it's frankly hypocritical to morally discredit people who might want to indulge in a different version of reality, albeit if they didn't hide it behind the jargons of fictional names and places. What I think is critical, however and I agree with you here, is that the separation between fiction and reality ALWAYS needs to stay clear, and we need to respect their privacy in parts of their lives that they don't share to the public, but that's precisely why we have safety measures in fanworks, the locked accounts in AO3, how certain posts are restricted etc.

In layman's term, anon, I give you the example of Rick Astley. When rick-rolling became viral, he initially becane really depressed about people mocking him (which in context might even be more horrible than aggressively hoping he ended up with someone else lol as people literally make him the butt of a joke for a decade). But years later, he's come to terms with it and now fully embraces it, singing 'never gonna give you up' to full stadiums, joking about it, even doing a parody of it and generally having a blast reminiscing his youth.

In his own words, he said, "I finally understood that it might be me in all those videos, but it was never actually about me."

I suggest you watch his interview here, he really has some great insights on what it means for the public to 'fictionalise' your real persona and image

#RPF #Rpf debate #asks #fedal #carraville #fanfiction #fanworks #football rpf #tennis rpf

[ilovetobiko]

really though, rpf is not immoral. most of the people rpf is written about are celebrities, and what are celebrities if not commodities? hardly any celebrity is the same when the camera is off, and when the camera turns of the version you see of them is just gone. like turning off the television. i could get real deep into this but: i think the debate can be ended straightforwardly by just acknowledging that none of us are special. nobody knows public figures personally unless they actually are in their lives.

people in the tags keep saying 'don't show a celebrity your rpf', which is agreeable! but fans will still ask their faves about trending fanfictions about them. recently read a fan asking a dbsk member if he'd read a trending dead dove, way back in their earlier days. he just asked how old the fan was, because he was aware that fanfic is not very PG. doesn't mean he was okay with it or he wasn't, but the point is that no matter what you say or try, you cannot really hide these things from your precious idols. like you googling yourself every now and then even if you're only known as your fanfictionnet username. as public figures who sell us the images of stuff that specifically appeals to the fans— i'm not saying they're asking for 15k 20+ fic of them with colleagues— but that it's gonna happen. 🤷🏽 shit happens. 🤷🏽

#rpf debate #ive seen many really fucked up things about real people #so maybe this is just me as a rpf writer #but there are some people who need to kts anywhere you go #so tell them to kts #thats my fix ig

[overthinkinglotr]

Has read the Silmarillion and enjoyed it: Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas, Frodo, Sam, Faramir Has read the Silmarillion and hated it: Gimli Hasn't read the Silmarillion: Merry, Pippin, Boromir Has read the Silmarillion, then wrote passionate Silmarillion fanfiction poetry that made Aragorn try to gently explain the dubious ethics of writing RPF about Elrond's dad: Bilbo

#lotr #overthinkinglotr #the bilbo thing is literally canon #imagine writing earendil rpf and reading it in his son's house..rip #the silmarillion fandom is dark and full of terrors #i am willing to be debated on Legolas liking the Silmarillion #I think he could also hate it #but otherwise. facts

[cobraonthecob]

if you’re going to send hatemail about me reblogging discussions of rpf, don’t

i personally view rpf as squicky and a very grey area that needs a lot of nuance and discussion. can rpf absolutely run over boundaries and/or moral lines? absolutely. i feel very uncomfortable knowing that explicit rpf fics of minors exist (especially if they’re not adults yet), but because there is no US law that makes such written forms illegal, there’s nothing Ao3 will do. if you think that law should change, direct your energy towards that, not some random person who already finds rpf squicky

#nightfalcon posts #rpf debate #i'll probably turn off anon actually lol

[spourtneys]

my message to the world.....

#debated on wheteher to put shaynse or ianthony in normal couple but i think ianthony is funnier there #smoshblr #smosh rpf #ianthony #amangela #spourtney

[earl-grey-teacake]

omg hello! your brain is truly so big for this idea… george coaching logan lives rent free in my mind at all times and their minimal interactions bring me life fr 🥺🥺 now.. very important question.. WHO adopted logan first? alex as his current teammate or george as his long-time mentor? i also have this insane image in my mind of george making a powerpoint titled “7 step plan on how to win oscar’s heart / why he’s definitely in love with you don’t be stupid / we need to talk about your (lack) or self esteem” . yea there are three topics but alex has sighed deeply and provided snacks to keep them going. and also the idea of carlando adopting oscar?? it’s a very strange dynamic bc lando is so excitable he’s def not a parent figure and oscar and carlos are still squinting suspiciously at each others for sure. maybe the three of them are using their combined 8 brain cells to come up with a game plan for wooing logan? and they’re just sitting their arguing over flower symbolism and lando and carlos genuinely almost break up over how worked up they both get. i know this ask got out of control but bestie.. your mind is so large and i am obsessedddd w this idea

Hello! Thank you so much! Very happy to hear that the ideas my brain makes up in the middle of the night are appreciated!🥰

To answer your question, Alex adopted Logan first. I see George keeping his distance, close but still professional. Alex, as both an eldest sibling and having gone through 2021, is very sympathetic to Logan. He sees the spiraling, he understands being alone as your parents are dealing with their own issues, and he knows what it feels like to be left behind while the friends you joined F1 with go on ahead. When Logan stops answering his texts and James brings up his worries, Alex is at Logan’s door telling him to pack up and come over to his place. George starts off in a “I’m here to help but mainly because Alex wants to do this and I love Alex” and quickly becomes “i am onboard with helping you, here is a list of therapists I have complied, please pick one.”

George is absolutely making PowerPoints. It starts off with “No one on the grid or your team hates you + with proof from the group chat” to “Your lack of self-esteem is alarming and we are all a bit worried” before becoming “Oscar is in love with you + photographic evidence.” George’s love language is PowerPoints. When he was getting Alex that Williams seat, I imagined him cornering people with a laptop in hand and a PowerPoint titled “Alex Albon’s Achievements: Why he is a perfect fit for Williams”. Alex is ordering take out and providing commentary on the slides, and questioning where certain photos came from.

I see Carlando adopting Oscar not in a parental way, but more in a “I have more life experience so let me tell you why ghosting your friend and crush is a bad idea”. They absolutely brainstorm ways to woo Logan but they keep failing because Logan thinks Oscar is doing this to apologize for not talking to him for a month/forgetting his birthday and Oscar is slowly going insane because nothing works and in every interaction Logan looks sadder and sadder. Carlos and Lando are definitely getting worked up because it was never this hard when they got together .

Your idea with the flower language is genius, can I write that in the fic? I am thinking of a scene like

“No, Lando we cannot put yellow roses in the arrangement. They mean decrease of love, that’s an awful flower to include.”

“How about orange lilies? There aren’t exactly a ton of papaya or orange flowers to choose from.”

“No! Orange lilies mean hatred. We should be starting simple like pink roses and baby breaths.”

“Those options are basic. They don’t have personality to them. It looks like Oscar just went to a supermarket and picked it up. How is anyone supposed to feel special receiving a standard supermarket bouquet?”

“I wouldn’t know Lando. You never got me flowers before so I don’t know how I would feel receiving a supermarket bouquet?”

This ask was super fun to answer! Thank you so much for sending it❤️ I am also obsessed with it and am drafting outlines to write it. Please feel free to send more asks. I really love answering them.

#galex #carlando #loscar #george russell #alex albon #logan sargeant #carlos sainz #lando norris #oscar piastri #f1 rpf #f1 rpf fic #This is looking like a really fun thing to write but also a really long thing to write #George is a very supportive boyfriend and won’t stop talking about Alex #Logan is sad but at least they take him to Monaco instead of letting him be sad in London #Oscar is panicking because talking with Logan has never been this hard #Something is wrong when Logan doesn’t laugh at his jokes the same way he used to #Carlos and Lando are debating whether Logan would find gin tasting romantic #they are pulling at straws here trying to find something that works #i am working on it #Alex is just trying his best to stop the spiraling

[whenyoulosesmallmind]

if you choose to run away with me i will tickle you internally and i see nothing wrong with that

Matthew Tkachuk + Mary on a cross by Ghost

credits: x.

#inspired by *that* tkachuk bowl and people going insane over matthew in the box looking like the virgin mary #(which. yeah. understandable) #forgive me i cared more about making the text halo-like rather than readable lol #matthew tkachuk #florida panthers #(tho this in this pic he still was on the flames) #hockey rpf #(debatable) hockey poetry

[b4sorex1a]

bossy bottom!jude (w haaland) and bossy top!jude (others) im sorry but i cant see him bottoming w pedri i even can see pedri topping gavi less even jude lol

Pedri Bottoming is my weakness but also I love him Topping, he’s a switch guys come on

Bossy Bottom! Jude with Haaland sounds really nice oh my god

Gadri has this thing, it’s that Gavi can be a top because he’s hot as a I’m-so-desperate-to-be-inside-you type of top…. And Pedri is a I-Don’t-really-appreciate-bottoming-But-For-Gavi-Yeah-Sure

#SO IS JUDE BELLINGHAM A SWITCH? #JUDE BELLINGHAM TOP OR BOTTOM DEBATE #fc barcelona #pedri gonzalez #barca #fc barca #pablo gavi #smut #football rpf smut #erling haaland #real madrid fc #man city #jude bellingham

[leoleolovesdc]

I’m having a bit of a moral debate about the morality of writing fanfic about real people (specifically historical figures) and I’m interest on other people’s opinions;

#ok so hear me out cz im abt to ramble: hamilton and six are basically historical fanfiction #they take real life ppl n events and bend their personalities. life. stories. etc. into whatevers convenient for the narrative #and fandoms n stuff dont seem to have a problem w that so i dont see whats so wrong abt rpf especially when the ppl portrayed in them are #dead and therefore cant be offended abt it #idk u dont have to like it and i also think it can be very uncomfortable but idk if it should be considered morally questionable #but idk i wanna hear ur thoughts so pls vote and/or reblog this w ur opinions cz im interested #rpf #real person fiction #fanfic #fanfiction #debate #poll #hamilton #hamilton musical #six #six the musical #idk how to tag this

[multifandomlandfill]

If L read explicit Kira x L rpf in front of Light, Light would be caught way sooner because he'd murder L (with his hands if he had to) on the spot. Memories or not it wouldn't matter.

#death note #lawlight #dn #nsft #nsft humor #this is very much a shitpost but that doesn't mean I'm wrong #confident there would be rpf about those two #and also confident that if the dn writers had guts (were willing to make it gayer) L would have tried this #another option is that L did they just didn't include it because all it amounted to #was Light noticing the subject matter and then trying to discreetly read L's screen. which i imagine L would not make it hard to do #and then he'd get really bitchy about Kira's characterization and ruin the whole mood #'it doesn't prove anything i'm just better at profiling than the author' #6 hours of intense debate about the psychological nuance of how L and Kira would fuck later #IF they did which of course they would never (light would specify more than once) #(no fucking nor sleeping occurring) #they would no longer be on speaking terms the next morning #this would last for about three hours

[fluffbyday-smutbynight]

hot take: RPF is fine because whatever we assume we know about any given celebrity is just their public persona, not their private self. as it should

#this ofc given it's kept in fandom spaces and not shared w/ the involved people yadda yadda - that's not up for debate #but yes today i woke up and chose violence #i mean... i just read somewhere “not even historical rpf is ok 'cause they used to be real people” THEY'RE DEAD FFS #or even better - somewhere else: “you should ask for consent before writing rpf”... just. just imagine that. not creepy at all /s #plot twist: it's just a tactic to let any eventual anti-rpf weed themselves out while i sip my tea #shit fluffsmut says

[romansmartini]

i'm really glad we're all on the same page about the apprentice. i didn't want to be an accidental catalyst of donald trump/roy cohn rpf but if other people are willing to make that terrible jump well. i'm right there with you

#movie tag #rpf #me personally i think one of the most fun parts about rpf is the morality debates. there are some lines i'd never cross and then there are #things that are objectively fine and then there are so many delicious gray areas. it's awesome. #literally the other day i took a screenshot of that first look and almost posted it but then was like idk maybe donald turmp rpf is taking #it too far. so i didn't post it. #and to be fair i know ive done rpf posting about one of the uks most horrible politicians #but there's a level of separation there when it's not someone from your country i guess. #and maybe donald trump rpf IS taking it too far. haven't decided yet. maybe the movie will suck so bad it won't even matter #until then expect more tag stream of consciousness. i guess

[singsweetmelodies]

time for the perhaps even more controversial twin to the pierre poll 👀😏🤭

#charles leclerc #cl16 #f1 rpf #katie polls #the piarles top/bottom debate #hey besties at least i'm not thinking of f1 rpf on my sickbed this time! #I'm thinking of it on the train 🤣🤣😌 #:DDD #but anyways yes pls indulge me; and reblog so we can see what the people think #i am ever so curious 🤭😍

[divinekangaroo]

does me proud to know there is Freud slash

like…not Freudian readings or lenses or whatever but actual Freud desperately sucking off Jung or Trotsky or whatever

#Alas there is no Salvador Dali in the mix I really was looking for a fic where Dali and Freud debate a de Sade work of their choice #also I’ve always vaguely felt the Fountainhead was some weird author-insert unrequited longing for Frank Lloyd Wright fanfic but apparently #-it was a political ideology fic? Who would’ve guessed! I thought it was shallow RPF with the serial numbers filed off!

[whenyoulosesmallmind]

"you're asleep in the car and i can't not look at you / you're so beautiful i'd crash, i'd graze the guard rail [...] we're wannabe youths / i dedicate to you the highways to the sea [...] we even survived the ending of the story / i want to meet you again at the next Big Bang" ― Giovani Wannabe, Pinguini Tattici Nucleari trans. mine | (screenshots)

#and im not even a big fan of either kind of penguins #(the hockey ones or the nuclear tactical ones) #i just think the juxtaposition is. hilarious #forgive me for graphic design being my passion #i have no idea how people do these #evgeni malkin #sidney crosby #sidgeno #(debatable) hockey poetry #pittsburgh penguins #next one tanger and ringo starr? im joking haha. but what if #hockey rpf #sorry i wont do it again i just needed to get it out of my system

[halain]

I would give literally anything to get a peek into the in-universe academic scene in tes I know the drama in cyrodilic unis is second to none

#.txt #i wonder if they also have historical rpf debates