#Pro choice

[we-wife-without]

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#pro choice #twitch #ron swanson #poe dameron x reader #biochemistry #sad poem #book quotes #wine #waifcore #all for the game #foo fighters

[corporationsarepeople]

#pro choice #us politics #scotus #Sam Alito

[roguekhajiit]

A debate I had on Reddit about abortion rights.

The person I'm arguing with is an active participant of the Mensa subreddit, so they already fancy themselves a genius to some extent.

Me:

No arms, no legs, no heart, no brain. Just a blood vessel pumping blood from the host to the clump of cells.

And the "But there's a heartbeat" excuse is a lie. You're only hearing the host's blood pumping into cells cause the heart isn't fully formed until 10 weeks. Additionally, the brain isn't even fully developed until 24 weeks. No heart organ, no brain, it's not a viable life outside its host body.

Them:

Yeah that's an empirical argument to deny ontology. That's not convincing to anyone who thinks there is an essence to being human that isn't tied to having arms and legs.

Me:

I'm sorry, but are you trying to use philosophy to argue whether or not someone is capable of living without a heart, brain, and lungs?

Them:

How do you determine what is human and what is not? Arms and legs? What do you call someone without arms and legs? Or a mechanic heart? You can't answer the question 'what is human' based on physical qualities only. So yes, logically you cannot answer the question without philosophy.

Me:

I think you are confusing personhood with the human species.

A person is someone who can think, breathe, and exist on their own. They have a personality and their own opinions on subjects like abortion.

A human being or homo sapiens is a species on earth that evolved enough to form social groups and cultures and, therefore, are capable of personhood. Some other more complex animals might be capable of personhood, like Koko the Gorilla. She was intelligent, learned to communicate using sign language, and even had her own pet.

I'm not discussing this subject in terms of personhood. A fetus isn't developed enough to form a sense of personhood if it can't even survive on its own at 2 months gestation.

Them:

I'm talking about the essence of what makes one a living human. As long as pregnant women before the 3rd month believe they're carrying a child, which is all of them who want to *keep* the child, I am not appealed by the argument that it's suddenly no longer a child but rather a fetus for biological/scientific/empirical reasons when there are various financial and social advantages of it being so.

The points you mention are even still different from mine.

Me:

>The points you mention are even still different from mine.

Correct because again, you fail to see the point of the argument.

You yourself say;

>As long as pregnant women before the 3rd month believe they're carrying a child, which is all of them who want to *keep* the child,

That's all fine and dandy cause it's her *choice* to do so, not yours and not the government's. But it's not yours or anyone else's place to force your philosophical or religious views on an entire nation and bully us all into following them by making your opinions a law.

Them:

It's a choice to recognise a human as a human, you're saying? So where's the end to that travesty of logic? A cat is a dog, a man is a woman, that dog is a man and that man is a dog. That's a wild world you're living in. I don't see the world that way, it defeats both logic and common sense. But it surely makes a way to justify doing whatever the hell you like doing. I won't force morality on you, but I'll tell you when it's absent.

Me:

Again, you're trying to use philosophy to argue science, and that gets us nowhere. I already stated I'm not talking from a philosophical standpoint.

You can see the world however you want. Your morals aren't always going to line up with your neighbors morals. Your neighbor might think it's immoral to eat any kind of meat. Are you gonna give up that steak dinner cause they can smell it in their living room? How would you feel if the entire government decided eating meat is a crime and, therefore, it's banned and you go to jail just for eating a hamburger. Kinda sucks when other people force their philosophy and religion on you by passing laws to get their way.

Now I know you're gonna be like, "But you can't compare pregnancies to diets!" But you're already equating philosophy with science. So, let me give you another scenario.

Do you like eggs? Eggs are just undeveloped chickens who were denied the ability to develop and hatch. Will you give up your eggs and bacon just because your vegan neighbor says it's immoral?

Since to you personhood and human are one and the same. Say aliens decide to visit earth; they have arms and legs and a brain, can speak, express emotions, and have their own culture. Are they human? Do we give them the same rights as you and me even though they weren't born on earth and are basically invading our planet? Or are they just displaying personhood?

If you say yes, they are human and deserve the same rights as you and me, then you also need to give those same rights to the "illegal aliens" that cross the border.

Why are undeveloped fetuses given more rights to life than families with children who are trying to seek a better life? Why do we value a fetus over the actual baby? Once it's born, if the mother says she needs help, she's scorned and looked down on for asking for WIC, foodstamps, and cash benefits to help feed and cloth her baby. She should have thought of that before deciding to have a baby, right? But if she decides she's unable to afford a baby, and she can't afford to take time off because the pregnancy is making it hard for her to work, she's called a murderer for seeking an abortion.

To pro-life advocates, a fetus is more important before it's born than after it's born. And you won't convince me otherwise. The same people pushing for abortion bans, banning mifepristone (a drug that's also necessary to help with incomplete miscarriages), and even simple birth control are the same people who vote to cut funding to welfare programs, free lunch programs, and to entire school districts. That's not very pro-life of them now, is it?

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They gave up the argument after that.

I could have converted this into a rant solely from my perspective, but I felt it would be better just to copy it as a script.

Pro-lifers are not actually pro-life. They are just anti-women and anti-choice. If they actually cared about the fetus, they would care about it after its born by passing laws and regulations that would ensure the child has the best quality of life possible and every chance to succeed. Instead, time and again, they vote against those laws.

They don't care about the fetus once it's born. Why is that? Could it be that their true goal all along is to force women back into submission because they romanticize the bygone era of the 1800s and early 1900s when women didn't hold jobs, didn't vote, and couldn't do anything without their husband's explicit permission?

I dunno, that's just the vibe I get from the anti-choice supporters. Why else would they say things like, "Stop riding dick if you can't take accountability." But then start foaming at the mouth when you remind them accountability goes both ways. When's the last time they made a child support payment?

#pro life is anti-women #reddit #reddit rants #pro choice #personal rant #rants #rant #long post #long rant #my body my choice #abortion is a human right #abortion is healthcare #abortion rights #reproductive freedom #reproductive rights

[jukeboxgirl]

Let’s take a look at some of Trumps actual stats from his time in office-

-The economy lost 2.9 million jobs. -The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 -The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.

-The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion. - -Home prices rose 27.5%

-illegal immigration increased

-Handgun production rose 12.5% compared with 2016, setting a new record.

-The murder rate rose to the highest level since 1997.

These are just a few stats AND they don’t include the mass amount of wreckage that he’s left a trail of throughout his life.

Someone explain to me WHY anyone would want him in charge? The only thing I can think of is he makes people feel comfortable HATING others. For some, that’s all they’ve ever wanted.

Stop the stupidity.

#vote blue #vote democrat #feminism #women empowerment #pro choice #gun violence #please vote #trump is a threat to democracy #fuck trump #roe v wade #donald trump #traitor trump

[embracetheshipping]

#abortion #abortion rights #pro choice #us politics #vote blue #fuck republicans

[slipping-into-madness]

#deplorables #pro choice

[radicalgraff]

Pasteups in NYC denouncing Facebook for collaboration with Nebraska police to sentence a teenage girl to 90 days in jail for using using the abortion pill to terminate her pregnancy.

#pasteup #feminist #feminism #pro choice

[samwisethewitch]

I literally do not care what the Bible says about any political issue. I am not Christian. Christian scripture should have zero effect on my life or my personal freedoms. 

#abortion #abortion is a human right #abortion is healthcare #pro choice #pro choice activism #abortion rights #reproductive freedom #reproductive justice #religious freedom #politics #feminism #feminist #queer #queer politics #queer theory #lgbtq #mine

[liberalsarecool]

Pro-choice is about so many things other than abortion that you should keep your nose out of.

#abortion #ivf #reproductive rights #pro choice

[soberscientistlife]

Abortion is critical women's health care

#women's rights #abortion rights #reproductive rights #pro choice

[ef-1]

The dismantling of Roe v Wade will go down in history as one of the most damning indictments of american politics and a public health decision, no matter how short or long lived, that will shape the pain and suffering of generations to come.

#be. angry. #my mouth literally dried when the news broke. what the fuck #roe v wade #abortion #america #supreme court #scotus #reproductive rights #pro choice

[qillermeme]

#meme #memes #roe v wade #abortion #abortion debate #pro choice

[gayvampyr]

ppl being like “abortion is okay only if you took all the “correct” measures first or if you were impregnated non-consensually” SHUT UP! abortion for “sexually promiscuous” people and sex addicts and ppl you call sluts and whores and people who have one-night stands and every single person who had sex because they felt like it! you do not have to reach a quota of suffering to “deserve” an abortion. abortion is not something you earn. abortion isn’t a moral thing like you protestants like to think it’s a fucking right and everyone deserves access to it and they don’t have to prove that they deserve it. pregnancy is not a punishment for sex and every single person deserves the right to terminate a pregnancy regardless of how they became pregnant. shut up

#i am angry #because it’s my body and i do not owe pro lifers access or authority over my womb #abortion #pro choice #text post #top posts #10k #15k #20k #25k #30k #35k #40k #45k #50k

[radifemsara]

Pregnancy is not "inconvenient"

Missing the bus is inconvenient.

Losing your purse is inconvenient

Pregnancy is intrusive, risky and life-changing and no one should have to justify not wanting to go through it.

#female separatism #misandry #radblr #radical feminism #pro choice #pro women #pro abortion #radical feminists do interact #radical feminist community #terfsafe #radical feminist safe

[lilithism1848]

#anti capitalism #leftism #communism #socialism #anarchy #abortion rights #reproductive freedom #bodily autonomy #abortion #reproductive rights #birth control #pro abortion #pro choice #abortion is healthcare #pro life #anti abortion #radical feminism #radical feminists do interact #radical feminist safe #gender roles #anti religion #fuck the patriarchy #sex based oppression #radical feminists do touch

[fixing-bad-posts]

im for Abortions

#fixingbadposts #fixing-bad-posts #pro choice #abortion rights #reproductive rights #reproductive health