"That Really Happened?!" DC Comics Tournament
Entry #23
Wally Mobius Manhattan West
[ID: Cropped comic panel of Wally West as the Flash but in a blue suit sitting on the Mobius Chair. He has one hand to his head, and the other conjures an image of a house. /END ID]
What Happened?
Alright. So. The Mobius Chair. In post-Flashpoint continuity, the Mobius Chair wasn't made by Metron, but by Mobius the Anti-Monitor (which I have beef with, but will set aside for the time being). So it was already all powerful. Then Metron took it across the multiverse in his pursuit of knowledge, and the chair gained basically all the information that's ever existed in past, present and future, as well as in realities that didn't end up coming to exist. Then one day when some other shit was going down, Wonder Woman lasso'd Metron out of the chair and Batman took it for a while. Then finally Metron got it back and made a deal with Owlman on the moon to give it to him. So at this points it's changed hands a number of times, and all the while has absorbed a shitton of knowledge in the process. Next thing you know, Metron and Owlman are steaming piles of dust. The End. Or is it?
Cut to everyone's favorite, Heroes in Crisis. We're not going to get into all that because it's not the point here, but it matters because it's why Wally was in jail at the start of Flash Forward and was at a pretty low point in his life. But not to worry, the Mobius Chair told (?) Tempus Fuginaut to do some shenanigans to convince Wally to sit on it (and also save his family and this and that, you know how it is). Though reluctant, Wally does decide to sit on the chair. When this happens, he is imbued with ALL the knowledge the chair has absorbed. So like, that's a lot right? Yeah. But what we weren't shown because it was implied, is that Dr. Manhattan was the one who took the chair on the moon, so not only does Wally get everything the chair already had, but ALSO Dr Manhattans powers. Wally immediately becomes blue and starts sitting like the biggest douche in history because I guess that's just what the chair does to people lmao. And he becomes not only the fastest man alive, but also the most knowledgeable and arguably most powerful. He literally fixes the multiverse.
And then it's like "To be continued in Generation Zero" which didn't even get put out because free comic book day got all hecked up due to Covid. But it did get printed in the Flash Forward trade paperback, and idk the Batman Who Laughs shows up, and tbh that's about where I lose steam on this whole thing.
BUT the point is... even though continuity got kind of rewritten, Wally in his infinite ability to transcend reboots, has been hinted at (or maybe even outright said) that he still retains the Mobius Chair/Dr Manhattan knowledge in current times. So that's pretty darn fascinating.
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Wally but in blue outfit(Morbious(idk how to spell it) chair phase I think)
oh you mean Wally on the Mobius chair? Heck yeah I can do that!
I didn't put too much detail bc part of this exercise is to be quick about it, but I will say this is probably the best chair I've draw lol.
[ID: Digital fanart drawing of Wally West as the Flash but with the blue costume and chair from the Flash Forward mini series. He is lounging on it sideways with one foot up on the arm and resting his head against his palm on the other arm. /END]
Throughout the known universes, there are a few hundred where Batman does not have his no-killing code. These universes were studied through the Mobius chair, and his methods were found to have been less effective than him staying with the code.
With the majority, if not all, of those universes where he kills, crime rates in Gotham tend to skyrocket. The reason being is that crime is commited in spite of these Batmen, to either lure him out or to one-up him. In a few of those, criminals tend to actually declare full scale war on batman, rendering Gotham a battlefield and putting Gotham at an all time high for criminal activity.
In the ones where he doesn't kill, crime is much, much lower in Gotham. Some are due to a lingering fear that one day he would tire of simply being a pacifist and go beyond breaking bones, so the criminals try to not piss him off too badly. A few other universes actually learn from his code, and see criminals even giving up a life of crime due to a sense of morality returning to Gotham.
In short, Batman killing criminals in the majority of universes tends to cause higher crime, where ones where he develops his code tend to make gotham less infested with crime.
"THERE ARE NO BARRIERS TO THE MOBIUS CHAIR OF METRON, THE KNOWLEDGE SEEKER OF NEW GENESIS!"
PIC(S) INFO: Spotlight on pages 1, 2, 3, & 4, introducing Esak, from "NEW GODS" Vol. 1 #4. August, 1971. DC Comics.
"There are no barriers to the Mobius Chair of Metron, the knowledge seeker of New Genesis! No world or universe seems unreachable! And on one such distant place, he is accompanied by a young scholar..."
-- "NEW GODS" Vol. 1 #4 (Aug-Sept, 1971)
Story/script/pencils by Jack "King" Kirby
Inks by Vince Colletta
John Costanza
Source: www.zipcomic.com/the-new-gods-1971-issue-4 & X (formerly known as Twitter).
"That Really Happened?!" DC Comics Tournament
Round 1 - Match C7
[ID: Two images of cropped comics panels. The first is the Flash Wally West in a blue suit holding a hand to his head. The second image is Swamp Thing and Metron who is leaning back against him, both yelling in anguish. /END]
Wally Mobius Manhattan West
VS
Metron and Swamp Thing go for a ride
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Which one is more shocking, unbelievable or just plain wild?
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all im saying is marvel has the opportunity to do the funniest thing by making lokius canon. like come on. think about it. here is this character who has been one of the most beloved by fans in a HUGE franchise for over a decade, has thousands if not millions of fanfiction written about them and obviously EVERYONE wants to know who they'll be paired up and turns out the one who has them trailing after him like lost puppy and basically acting as his guard dog is a seemingly very boring bureaucrat with an obsession with jet skis and a tendency to stress eat. like all shipping aside wouldn't that actually be the funniest thing you've ever witnessed bc it would be for me.
So “Goodbyes” which is played during the Hug Scene in 1x06 has almost the exact same sound as “Complex and Many” which is played during Lokius goodbye in 2x06?
And the part where Loki hugged him has the exact same melody as when loki gripped mobius’ hand
Ok, so i just finished watching the first episode of Loki s2 ( yes, only now) , honestly at the start i was like " mhe i don't really like this" but i ended loving It