#2019: fandom thoughts

[lara635kookie]

#carmen sandiego #carmen sandiego 2019 #carmen sandiego netflix #netflix #cheryl blossom #cheryl bombshell #riverdale #sorry but i had to #ppl keep in mind that altough I am from the CS fandom I don't hate Cheryl #I myself watched some episodes of the first season of Riverdale but then I stopped because I am lazy #this poll is just for fun #both carmen and cheryl are queer strong pretty girlies #just warning that if you compare them be respectful #also if you want to consider og carmen for carmen sandiego that is okay too #this is a friendly joke okay #but as it accidentally took bigger proportions than I thought it would #as the riverdale fandom is bigger than the cs one #it isnt very hard tho i am used to small fandoms lolol #watch carmen sandiego #if you like cheryl you will prolly like carmen too #i used a photo of new carmen because she's from 2019 and riverdale is from 2017 #so new carmen is closer to cheryl than 1994 carmen

[ingravinoveritas]

Following up on this excellent post from @nightgoodomens, it really is astonishing to see so many people in the GO fandom misunderstanding the characters/personalities of Aziraphale and Crowley. While I by no means am against people having head canons or differing interpretations, it has become frustrating to see people pushing their ideas about Aziraphale and Crowley onto others and declaring them to be official canon, leaving no room for any kind of discussion.

One of the things spoken about in the above linked post is the denigrating of Crowley, which seems to be a near constant in the fandom at this point, particularly in relation to the "apology dance" scene. (Which, to be fair, is chock full of soft!Dom Aziraphale vibes--thank you, Michael Sheen.) What seems to keep getting missed is that the entire apology dance routine is something that Aziraphale and Crowley do to each other. There is just as much of a possibility that Crowley sat there with a similarly smug look on his face and let out a guttural, snakey "Very nice" when Aziraphale did the dance in the years he listed off, because they play this game together.

Aziraphale and Crowley's relationship is one of equals, and I think this is also something people seem to not understand well. It seems as though a lot of fans who project themselves onto Crowley want to be taken care of, and so they want to believe the same of Crowley, and that the reason he wants to be taken care of is because he is broken. But someone doesn't have to be broken to want someone to take care of them. Sometimes the people who are a shambles on the outside can be dominant, just as sometimes the most buttoned up, put together people can also be submissive. And sometimes the people who look in control on the outside can feel not at all that way on the inside.

But this nuanced thinking seems to increasingly be difficult for many GO fans, particularly those who spend a great deal of time on social media, a place where people are either blindly praised or denigrated and torn down, and where such behavior greatly reinforces that binary, black-and-white mindset. We so badly want the world to be clear-cut--good vs. evil, heroes vs. bad guys--but very often that just isn't how things work. And it is exactly what Terry and Neil were trying to speak against in the GO book (and subsequently, the TV show).

The other thing that I think influences a lot of fans' perceptions about Aziraphale and Crowley is their chosen corporations (i.e., Crowley being thin and Aziraphale being plump). There is an automatic assumption that thin somehow equals more vulnerable, and for all of the emphasis that is placed on Aziraphale and Crowley being genderfluid/nonbinary/not subscribing to traditional gender roles, it's Crowley who seems to be viewed as more androgynous/femme, and is therefore looked at as inherently vulnerable. Meanwhile Aziraphale is thicker and viewed as more masculine, and therefore he is somehow inherently not vulnerable. Yet if the body types were reversed, it seems highly likely that fans' attitudes toward them would be much different.

(It also saddens me that this seems to mirror the fans' treatment of Michael and David, where Michael serves as a target for the fans' venom and is seen as less desirable/more threatening because he presents more traditionally masculine, while David is not targeted or attacked and is seen as more desirable/less threatening because he presents much more androgynously. Consequently, many fans find it easy not to sympathize with Michael, and when you can readily disregard someone's feelings, it becomes easier to see them as "less." In the case of Aziraphale and Michael, it leaves no room for either one to be vulnerable and is unfair to both of them.)

What I have always taken away from Good Omens--and from Michael and David's portrayal of Aziraphale and Crowley and how deeply they both understand these characters--is that Crowley doesn't need to be a perfect angel for Aziraphale to like him. He just needs to be a little bit of a good person. And Aziraphale doesn't need to be a perfect demon for Crowley to like him--he just needs to be enough of a bastard to be worth knowing. Neither one has to fully subscribe to the other's outlook or point of view to listen to what they have to say.

Aziraphale and Crowley meet in the middle. In the place that becomes their side, and where they take care of each other, fight with each other, and love each other. And that's more than most of us could ever ask or hope for...

#good omens #aziraphale #crowley #michael sheen #welsh seduction machine #david tennant #soft scottish hipster gigolo #ineffable husbands #i think this is also why so many fans can't handle honest criticism of GT and AL #in their minds either someone is completely good or completely terrible #there's no middle ground to just see someone as they are #i swear to God people have no sense of nuance anymore #i've had it officially.gif #also Michael yelling about Aziraphale being a bottom in 2019 was more galaxy brained than any of us even knew #PhD level of understanding of the assignment #bless his bisexual Welsh chaos #fandom woes #thoughts #discourse

[kittykillsposts]

How have theyve been not arrested yet theyre literally the police

#barbie and ken? who #absolutely hysterical that i can writw Vanessa Afton on the board and not get smited by the fandom #me shaking here ive been calling her that for like 3 years already #god why wont this fandom let me go #i thought the movie would prove me stupid but ig not #FNAF AR CAME OUT IN 2019???? #WHAT???? #fnaf #fnaf sb #fnaf security breach #michael afton #fnaf vanessa #fnaf vanny #william afton #springtrap #fnaf movie #vanessa afton #vanessa schmelly #michael schmidt #fnaf meme #fnaf fanart #fnaf movie vanessa #fnaf movie william

[leqclerc]

@f1blrcreatorsfest Week 3: Music Artist-Inspired ↳ Sebastian and Charles + songs released in 2019 Shameless / Piece Of Your Heart / You're No Good

#formula 1 #f1edit #charles leclerc #sebastian vettel #sebchal #*shows up 2 days late with starbucks* #i like the concept and i would've liked to include more songs but im tired of fighting photoshop honestly it took long enough already 😭 #i tried to go for a more moodier mid to late 2019 vibe where the rivalry was kind of intensifying & everyone was talking about the tension #which tbf a lot of that as we now know was blown out of proportion but it was the prevalent vibe in the fandom & fic sphere #and in a lot of the ~defining fics that i consumed when i was first getting into them as a pairing and researching what i had missed out on #and i guess i have a nostalgic soft spot for that darker moodier more sultry rivalry vibe and mentally it's something i like to go back to #a lot of it is a direct product of the narratives and thought processes at the time and sometimes you just need to step right back into 201 #so these are songs that to me are reminiscent of that era ig and what i associate with it and the fics that capture that zeitgeist for me #f1blrcreatorsfest23 #* #*mine: gif

[acaesic]

2020 type art

#not like art id make in 2020 but art that i feel i would see in the idkhow fandom in 2020. you get it #i originally thought ‘2019’ but LMA didnt exist by then … #dallon weekes #idkhow #my art #i did not use a reference for this #thats a lie i did momentarily. i was watching razzmatazz and trying to figure out his face shape #but other than that i kind of just imagined other idkhow art i had seen and was like ‘i should recreate that’ #and then it was too similar to said art so i added a lot. of colour #i liked it originally but such is life in the world of creation

[sunshinereddie]

imagining that in their teens the losers club always laughed at valentine’s day. after all, none of them ever got chocolates from secret admirers at school (unless it was a prank), none of them ever got confessed to behind the school (unless it was a prank), none of them ever got asked out on dates (unless it was a prank), and they all soon grew to roll their eyes at the ��holiday”.

instead, they liked to spend february 14th together, as friends. by the time they were 16, it was sort of a tradition for them to all go to the movies on feb 14th, spend their allowance on candy and popcorn and junk food, and binge watch all the bad rom coms that the movie theatre is showing and laugh at and make fun of them, and it was a tradition that they all loved.

until…

when they’re 19, richie and eddie start dating. and when their first valentine’s day as a couple rolls around, they find themselves in a bit of a dilemma. of course they love their losers club tradition and still want to do that, but now that they’re in love they don’t think valentines day is as stupid as they used to, and they want to do something together. but of course they can’t without their friends being suspicious, and richie and eddie haven’t told any of their friends that they’re dating- well, except for stan, but stan figured it out on his own.

so a few days before valentine’s day, richie and eddie come up with a plan. the losers are planning on watching 3 movies. richie and eddie will watch the first movie, then stay for the first 10 minutes of the second, before sneaking out the back (thanks to stanley for helping them sneak out unseen by distracting the others) and going on their valentines date.

their date is perfect. richie had a picnic already packed and ready to go in his car, and they went to a small field clearing not too far from the movie theatre and have their picnic in the bed of richie’s truck. sure, it was february and still freezing and not exactly picnic weather, but richie and eddie both still think it’s the best date ever.

eddie’s had a timer set on his phone from the moment they left the theatre, so he can keep track of how long they have before they have to return. they’re just finishing up their desert when eddie gets the fifteen minute warning, and they quickly scramble back into the car and richie speeds back to the theatre. stan keeps them updated, sending texts of reassurance that nobody has realized they’re missing, and when they slip back into the seats behind the rest of their friends just as the movie ends and goes to the credits, richie and eddie bask in their success.

the only thing they don’t know how to answer, is when the lights turn on, and the losers club turn around and ask richie and eddie why they’re so out of breath.

#reddie for valentines day !! #fun fact this was actually one of the first reddie hcs i ever made #i first thought of this hc back in feb 2020 when i was new to the fandom!!!!? #so long ago :0 but still a fav <3 #richie tozier #eddie kaspbrak #reddie #reddie hc #reddie headcanon #it #it au #it hc #it 2017 #it 2019

[dayurno]

Devastating that you had ten peaceful years to get into Jean and Jeremy but you only became interested in them when your headcanons got an expiration date... Like yeah Ill always keep smoker Jeremy in my heart no matter what Big Canon tries to sell me but it is a lowkey hilarious turn of events for you. Here you dropped this *hands you a cardboard L*

BAHAHA (takes the L) thank you............................... to be honest ive always liked jean and i never really cared for jeremy beyond his friendship with kevin and those opinions haven't changed so much as they have evolved. i still don't think much of jeremy beyond that he's funny and a good man, and i'm glad he's a good captain for jean, but there's not much investment here. perhaps the new book might make him more worthwhile to think upon, but truly there's very little about jeremy that makes him interesting or engaging to me beyond the amusement of his dynamics with jean and kevin. i daresay that as a protagonist for tsc he'll be the weaker end

BUT YEAH IT'S TRAGIC. it's all very tragic. i'm not looking forward to ten years of fanwork getting disproved or rendered useless, and to me, that's the most awkward part about the timing of tsc's release. i don't think there's anything anyone could do about this, or if there was any way nora sakavic could've timed it better, but i guess it's just still a little sad to think about. personally i'm not excited for the influx of post-tsc release content that suffocates the fan content made in the past ten years

#everyone can do whatever they want forever of course but you know what i mean? its a little sad #i feel like if we got tsc in 2018 or 2019 it wouldve been. not ideal but not as awkward #i dont know really fandom is not a recent phenomenum but it's still new enough that we've never dealt with things like this #in the publishing industry #if tsc is perfectly in line with all of the fandom's hcs it will feel pointless #if it isn't it'll feel like a study case in disproving the general consensus #i guess my point is just that it's delicate. it's all very delicate when it comes to stories like aftg #and i'm sure nora sakavic is more than aware of this #which again brings me to the point that if the writer has to conform the fandoms hcs to avoid harrassment or mass rejection #and it is in her best interest to do this because writing is after all her breadwinner #then what is the point of the book? and how can it be respected as an original piece of work? #anyway i dont know really. i dont know. hopefully my concerns are unfounded #lost my train of thought theres a cute fuzzy little bee buzzing around me #asks #jeremy #jean #tsc

[dukeofriven]

This Pride I want us all to take a minute to reflect on those brave but forgotten queer souls who worked on The Epilogues and Homestuck 2 with the goal of seeing Homestuck with queer content 'done right' and fucked it up so much worse than anyone thought humanly possible.

#they fucked up so bad I challenge you to find five fans in 2023 who still consider anything they did canon #even by the incredibly loose standards of Homestuck - a webcomic about how canon as a concept is meaningless #the webcomic whose entire driving philosophy is 'anything can be canon' #'anything can be canon' except very specifically these things which are absolutely not no way in hell #let's take only the elements of The Epilogues that people despised and double-down on them that's a risk that'll pay off #Barty's Brew-Ha-Ha is more a part of Homestuck canon in fandom consciousness than Homestuck 2 and I'm the only person who's ever watched it #Homestuck 2 the DmC: Devil May Cry 2013 of webcomics #who were these souls? #literally impossible to know #for none now live who remember them #homestuck #queer #Pride #coming back to add to the notes here that their very premise was wrong #homestuck in some sense is a journey of a straight cis author into a queer nonbinary persona and I find it faintly... #repugnant that this obvious journey was considered flawed because it didn't meet the standards we thought were iron-clad in 2019 #which is why H2 is less that four years old but feels sp dated compared to Homestuck classic #absolute hubris #and frankly kind of awful taht Hussie wasn't thought 'queer enough' to tell a queer story correctly

[kateis-cakeis]

What's really wild about the kiss right is like, the entire scene I could feel it all building up to a kiss, but like in the back of my head I was like nahhhh a kiss won't happen! They don't need a kiss at all, who needs a kiss, it's just not them. It's not something Neil Gaiman would do, after all I had some distant memory of an ask bouncing around in my brain. I have no idea what ask, but idk something.

So yeah I was like shhhh to my brain that was like oh my god are they gonna like it feels like it might be time for a desperate plea kiss! And then it happened????????????????? And my partner looked at me for my reaction (because she got spoilt sad :() and I know what I was expressing.

As in, I wasn't expressing at all. And I'm very expressive. I was just staring like is this real, is this actually real right now. And of course I was experiencing the utter shock of the scene, the utter like anger on Crowley's behalf (look, look okay after I calmed down it was fine but like what can I say I'm a redhead, I have to be on Crowley's side by law okay) But I just wasn't expressing, I was just staring at them. Blank.

And just! It was so unexpectedly expected? The scene very much was like screaming at them to kiss, with the music and all. It's the payoff right, ultimately, we were waiting all season for a kiss between Nina and Maggie, right, and instead we get their parallels kissing instead. In the world's most static kiss ever but like you know... desperate times and all that, can't really kiss well when you know ya barely know how humans do it, it seems.

And I'm still in shock when I rewatch what is about an 11 second give or take a second (I counted) kiss. And it happened, and it was real, and not in a million years would I have seen it coming, nor would I have imagined it would happen like that either.

But we got a kiss, and I don't know, it would be cruel and funny if it was the only one. After all, they don't need to kiss (or maybe they do with how Aziraphale pressed his fingers into his lips). But, I don't know... I think they need a redemption kiss, you know... some practice. Something because oh my god, it's a cool kiss to watch but that was a harddd press of the lips and that's just it.

Still, the point is, sometimes you can feel as the audience that something is coming even if your brain is telling you it's impossible. And that's good writing, it's good acting.

#good omens #good omens 2 #ineffable husbands #ive seen a different ship name being used recently??? but idk I was here in 2019 and then like left so whatever happened in this fandom #since - it isn't like you know in my realm of knowledge so ineffable husbands it is sdfhghsdg #uhhh yeah this is like i just needed to get these thoughts out #i know im like an analysis person but i am notttt smart enough to analyse this season or you know that last episode #but i am a person who can ramble my thoughts about a kiss I never thought would happen #found out this is what got leaked also??? not sure but if so ooooof like mannnnn #anyway what a moment mannnn what a moment! #it's amazing it's wow what a good breakup scene am i right guys.... ;)

[lylahammar]

very seriously considering combatting the loneliness epidemic by starting a loosely dunmeshi themed discord server to discuss/share stuff/make friends 🤔

#just a thought atm not sure if I will do it #but I've been seeing a buncha people in the fandom who seem real cool and I'm like. man I want more dunmeshi friends!!! #I've been trying to convert every friend I've made since 2019 into a dunmeshi enjoyer #but now I finally have the option of converting dunmeshi enjoyers into my friends :3 #this would have to be an 18+ server to be clear bc I'm not interested in having to censor anyone lmao #lyla's talking again

[antisociallilbrat]

I watched When You Finish Saving The World Recently so now I'm going to rate least to most likely Stanley Uris would be to kill *some* of Finn Wolfhard's characters if he got trapped in a room with them.

Trevor Spengler: 1/10 I think these two just wouldn't have much to say to each other and that means that Stan wouldn't have much reason to kill him. They're both just kinda there.

Miles Fairchild: 4/10 Miles would try to freak Stan out and Stan is just like ,,, why are you like this?? Miles would just annoy him.

Richie Tozier: 5/10. He's Richie, need I say more? Stan loves him but Richie catches him in the wrong mood and they're trapped in a room,,,chances are not good.

Ziggy Katz: 8/10 These two would bitch at each other so much. Stan would HATE him and Ziggy would think Stan has a stick up his ass

Mike Wheeler: 10/10 Honestly Mike is just as likely to kill Stan as Stan would be to kill him. This would be the battle of the snarky bitches.

#sam what is this post #I DONT KNOW #i just have thoughts #Sam: posts commentary on fandom #also Sam: posts whatever the fuck this is #stanley uris #stan uris #miles fairchild #ziggy katz #mike wheeler #richie tozier #it 2017 #it 2019 #stranger things #wyfstw #the turning #finn wolfhard

[fishedeyelenz]

I wonder how many people became slasherfuckers because of Brahms...

#i only vaguley remember my awakening #and brahms was not the trigger #it was either vincent or billy #and it was 2019... #i found the slasherfucker community through monsterfucking #the pipeline is real guys and it's hard to escape it sbdhsygbyduv #i was just too shy to actively involve myself in fandom for like #four years??? djbhfbsyyddv #and the interest came and went #now its at an all time high with billy #but anyway #thoughts on Brahms being most peoples gateway into this community #and what were your first slasher crushes

[castelobyers]

I was thinking, when are you a part of a fandom? Is it just when you enjoy the content that is made for this subject or is it when you actively interact with the fandom? Like when you not only reblog things but also add your thoughts about this subject, when you create things for this fandom, when you comment and talk to people about this subject, or can I feel that I'm a part of a fandom only because I enjoy things and I love to read about it and just admire what other people made? No new thoughts, no new art, no new fanfics, only reblog and admiration

#because i really enjoy good omens and i was obsessed with this show in 2019 and I really felt that i lost the pace when season 2 was out but #i pretty much love this show and i love everything about it i love the art i love the gifs i lobe people's thoughts and interpretations but #i dont think i can add anything new for it #not even for myself #i just watched season two and enjoyed everything about it but i cant think about anything else beyond #I'm just clapping and waiting #can i consider myself as part of the fandom? #because i was always a fan girl of musicians i am part of many musicians fandoms and i think its pretty different to when it comes to shows #well #it was just me ranting #the only show i was in the fandom actively participating on it was game of thrones fandom from 2015 to 2019/2020 #after this was me getting crazy about stranger things last year and now this is me relearning about fandoms and stuff #for st was easy i was completely obsessed with it #but when I'm not actually obsessed with it but i enjoy it very much can i consider myself part of it?

[dirgeforworms]

KINK DISCOURSE IN THE WAR CRIMES FANDOM.

#fandom #call of duty #call of duty tumblr fandom u are fucking insane please realize by nature being a CoD fan makes you problematic(TM) (she is also a CoD fan) #like hello how many of you have actually PLAYED CoD I am playing MW 2019 rn and it's SO MUCH oh god it makes my skin crawl #and is simultaneously super fun. haha my blorbos! #here. for you. does a scene when you shoot what you think is an unarmed woman in the back as she runs from you- #-only for the game to go. literally. via a character. “nah dude it's ok she was going for a detonater” #sit well with you? does it? #have you thought critically about this? I have!! I am being psychologically tormented by propaganda during my gaming downtime!! #like please analyze what CoD is saying about the west's relationship to terrorism as a whole (it's progaganda) #especially when real war crimes are happening very much literally right now #your house is made of glass!!!!!! leave the perverts alone!!! #as a kinkster I have analyzed this and am fully prepared to look at pics of hot soldiers for smut #military #discourse

[raayllum]

me, crying, because Political Trio Theory just came back to me but revamped and even more juicy: 

#political trio theory #NEVER THOUGHT I'D SEE THE DAY TBH #wishlist achieved #predictions #again: could not amount to this to the same degree #but the fact there could be a Variant happening?? #OH YEAH IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER #memes #fandom history #mine #dragons rambles #alternatively: hey political trio theory. we thought you were dead #arc 2 #s5 #s5 speculation #nov 2019 to july 2023 god is real

[verm1c1de]

between mr v calling zim old and the show crew obviously disagreeing and nick definitely disagreeing what is the truth!!!???!!??

#this is partially a joke post im not gonna change my mind #thats a babyman right there #but its also a frustration post beclaws goddd mr v do mew even have any idea how much less interesting mewr own show is if mew go that rout #and people taking it at face value and all that #literally nobody befur 2019 thought this. nobody #god #vermi.txt #no fandom tags im just having a moment