#with a lot of internalized misogyny :)

[offkilterkeys]

The world isn’t ready for my alpha kid readings.

#jane crocker #jake english #roxy lalonde #dirk strider #homestuck #alpha kids #Jane is the struggler don’t you EVER contest that #many might argue it’s Jake but he doesn’t struggle inherently #usually he just vibes until he’s forced into situations wherein he struggles #Jane struggles from the beginning #her entire arc is a struggle #also had to change it from “the fujoshi” mostly cause I don’t like that and also cause it’s not as versatile as the other labels #I don’t actually think Dirk is boring btw i just think that when put up against his friends he has a lot less complexity going on #like his arc is fairly simple as opposed to Jane and Jake’s #and even Roxy’s #His problems seem inherently a lot more straight forward to me simply because he’s articulate enough to realize he has problems #Jane and Jake are almost there #problems are like on the tip of their tongues #and Roxy is kinda like the John of the team where she isn’t even gonna acknowledge the possibility of problems #girl is like “problems? haha not me #I’m the put together one in this group :)” #and just ignores all her internalized misogyny and heteronormativity #she is a mirror to Vriska in that they both put a lot of emphasis on preforming romanticism as a means of affirming their gender #anyway my alpha kid readings are way too boring so I feel like nobody would really be interested in them Sighhhh

[diamondseaside]

all this senseless hate is why swifties were so mad at all the people who jumped on the taylor bandwagon bc she was cool again and made it significantly harder for real fans to get eras tickets only to end up hating her again bc they never actually liked her to begin with

#this isn’t @ people who recently got into her music #or genuinely grew and realized a lot of their hate was internalized misogyny #but people who were simply riding the wave of public opinion #and only liked her bc everyone else did

[prettyboysdontlookatexplosions]

this is so funny…. mina fucking with van helsing (a total stranger) for no reason. just to flex. a merry prankster just like [checks notes] the biblical eve. she just loves surprises! what a little weirdo. i love her.

#i don’t really mind mina’s internalized misogyny bc honestly none of it strikes me as being like #beyond the bounds of what a woman of the time may have written for a female character #not all women. but like… #sometimes the way people discuss stoker as a guy writing female characters #i do get the sense that they… maybe have not encountered a ton of nineteenth century writing before #mina has a lot in common with like. meg march. remember there’s three whole other little women who are not jo. #dracula daily

[phoenixyfriend]

Mina: Aw, these poor guys have no idea how much I know. They're so used to keeping secrets and people keeping secrets and don't want to tell me anything. Mina: Anyway, that's stupid and I'm going to tell them everything because that's how we solve this entire mess. [shortly after] The guys: You are so delicate and we are going to keep secrets from you.

#phoenix talks #dracula daily #dracula #re: dracula #plenty of posts on this already but still #also jfc Mina's internalized misogyny is uh. A Lot Right Now #there is so much going on and she is uhhhhhh Victorian-norm Biological Gender Essentialist and it's a little insane given her personality

[duckiemimi]

Fucking hate jjk twt because they already fetishising and feminising geto because of 1️⃣ outfit (and it’s not even Geto, it’s all Takaba imagination) like I don’t wanna be a kill joy but some people really lack the ability to separate their headcanon from canon…sorry to rant in your ask box, I am just tired of this happening every fucking day on twt

nah, you’re good, it makes me uncomfortable, too :’) and the way some people are running with it and conflating it to…something canon? which, considering the context of the scene…😭

#jjk #geto #asks #the art has been FEEDING ME #but some of the takes on the tl…what’s new anyway #for a fandom full of queer people there sure is a lot of internalized homophobia and misogyny here especially for an mlm ship :’) #jjk 242 #jjk leaks #jjk spoilers

[chilewithcarnage]

why whenever the topic of bisexuality comes up on this site, y'all don't ever mention bisexual men. like y'all always got some shit to say about bi women but not bi men. why is that?

#is it like erasure? like y'all dead be forgetting bi men exist #or is just straight up misogyny. internalized or otherwise #like i never hear about 'oh i don't want some bi man bringing his STRAIGHT girlfriend to pride' #maybe a separate term needs to be made cause there is a very specific type of hatred i see aimed at bisexual women specifically #cause a lot of biphobic ideas/talking points are just steeped in old fashion sexism

[nagararitsu]

ppl say it’s not that deep to like morally grey/straight up villainous male characters and that is true!! u can absolutely like your shitbag dickface character and not condone their actions irl!! but like so many of u r just straight up misogynists like. u can love your emotional support asshole man without degrading women in the process. it’s rlly not difficult

#e.g. I love naoya bc he’s such a loser and I also love maki bc she’s strong and cool #like I don’t put down maki or her strength or her role in the story to uplift a male character who #is a lot less relevant than her #like darkling supporters degrade alina every chance they get #and so many snape stans r so vile towards lily #and now w the movie I’m seeing so many coryo stans be so vile to lucy gray #like u can like and compliment a man w/out being horrible to women #and most of these ppl doing this r women as well it’s like. check your internalized misogyny girl #anti booktok #さくの小言

[brookheimer]

been seeing some weird takes ab the shiv pregnancy. like being ambivalent about how the writers will play it is one thing — it could end up being an incredible exploration into shiv’s internal life and her as a person beyond her relationships with men, but there are also a lot of ways to fuck up a pregnancy narrative and most are exercises in thinly veiled sexism, so it’s only natural to feel uncertain. we just don’t know how it’ll go yet!

…..buuuut. saying that pregnancy playing a role at all in shiv’s life/arc/character inherently reduces her to being The Woman just feels soooo like … rooted in internalized misogyny to me? that’s kinda doing the same thing as everyone always does — thinking less of a woman once she shows signs of, y’know, actually ‘being a woman’ quote unquote. a female character won’t stop being fully-fleshed-out, strong, independent, and interesting the second she get pregnant. pregnancy isn’t, like, just a sexist trope, guys. it’s a real thing with real importance in the lives of many, many people! pregnancy isn’t reductive to women, it’s just a part of life for some women! a lot of the time it feels like ‘good female characters’ are only seen as ‘good’ so long as you can almost forget that they’re female, so long as they act so ‘masculine’ it’s like they’re just a regular complex male character repackaged in a female body. but to be a complex female character, you’re going to have a relationship to your gender! that’s inevitable and necessary in order to actually create a good female character, rather than a good character who just so happens to be female. and this isn’t even touching upon the weird essentialism of being like oh womanhood = pregnancy & vice versa like…. y’all are complaining about the show ‘reducing shiv to womanhood’ but are you sure you’re not doing that? and besides what do you even mean ‘reduced to womanhood’? was she not a woman before? is she only a woman now that she’s pregnant? just some fucking bizarre takes all around.

the rest is under the cut because this got long, sorry !

i mean, why are we acting like the decision to explicitly explore shiv’s relationship with motherhood and femininity is bad writing and rooted in misogyny — like, not even the way it’s done, just the decision to make shiv pregnant? like, making a female character pregnant is not sexist in itself, at all! that is just part and parcel of some women’s lives! the only reason you would think pregnancy as a concept for a woman is sexist is if your internalized misogyny makes you think that pregnancy weakens or devalues a ‘strong woman’ !!! why are y’all acting like pregnancy is this terrible emasculating trope that puts the curse of Woman on characters like you sound like the roy men

and, like, maybe the storyline will suck! maybe it’ll be shitty and weird and not-so-secretly misogynistic. maybe the way they end up writing it will be yet another Career Woman Grows Heart And Has Kids or the equally bad Career Woman Feels Forced To Reject ‘Womanhood’ Entirely And That’s Supposed To Be Empowering narrative. but maybe it won’t. maybe it’ll be fucking great. maybe it’s fucking needed — maybe it will try to unravel to undo this exact centuries-long prejudice against pregnancy, against women who ‘act like’ women, whatever that’s supposed to mean. we just don’t know yet. so, like, while it is so fair to feel ambivalent about this development, maybe try to figure out what the root of that ambivalence is — is it fear that the writers will fuck it up, or is it your own pre-existing biases about pregnancy and stereotypically ‘feminine’ experiences and traits? because, yknow. it just feels kind of weird to act like the mere existence of pregnancy in the arc of a female character is inherently diminishing and reductive to her — after all, what you’re saying between the lines is not only that pregnancy diminishes and reduces independent powerful women to just being women, but youre also literally reducing the entirety of womanhood to pregnancy and the entirety of pregnancy to womanhood, and all of that feels just, like. a strange stance to take, maybe

#this is not about anyone or anything in particular!!!! i’ve just seen a lot of random weird posts and tags that just have these undertones #of internalized misogyny and judgment towards pregnancy and a lot of things that i just like… don’t think people really meant to say #if that makes sense. like it’s not purposeful there’s just some really weird language being thrown around that just feels very like… judgin #a woman for ‘acting like’ a woman #which is inherently a weak bad thing #like womanhood and strength are not diametrically opposed guys. you don’t have to choose between self-respect and femininity #actually this is getting into another arg about the unempowering nature of a lot of abortion plotlines these days but that’s for another #time so i digress #might delete this later i’m not trying to like start drama. i’m just thinking thoughts ab shit i’ve seen on reddit twitter sometimes here #sometimes articles…. idk. just thinking thoughts here fr #succession #succession spoilers #shiv roy #casey shut the fuck up about shiv roy #100

[cowpokezuko]

I recognize that the f/f vs m/m slap fight is pointless and a stupid way of creating division between queer people but ooooo it gets under my skin. It's fine actually if people, esp. lesbians and sapphics who are into f/f content feel underrepresented in fandom because they often ARE. I don't agree with blaming m/m creators, it's not their fault at all, but it's also valid to feel like sapphic content can be hard to find because it's often outnumbered ten to one in most fandoms. This issue largely stems from the lack of complex female characters in a lottt of media with big fandoms, which is not the fault of m/m shippers, but the original creators. There is also a case to be made that stories about women tend to get less attention than media about dudes, which is a larger, cultural problem that isn't specific to fandom but rather a symptom of a patriarchal society, so they don't have a chance to build the fandoms of male dominated media. We are finally starting to learn that straight white guys are not actually the default person, so I have a lot of faith that this issue will change with the times.

This is part of the reason I will always be a supporter of genderbending or transing characters or making your own ocs. If there aren't the type of character you want to see in the media you like, just say fuck it and change it. Characters are entirely fake and can be bent to your will. Once you get over that hurdle, suddenly everything can be about lesbians if you want.

It's absolutely understandable to feel like no one gets you and no one else feels the things you feel, but someone else does and it may just take a little digging to find it, and if you can't find it, make it! Yes it's awesome to eat the cake that someone else makes, but you can't simply pout your way into other people making cake for you. The audience for f/f content is undeniably smaller than the audience for m/m content, but there are so many passionate and creative people making sapphic cakes, and once you find them, it feels fantastic. And who knows, maybe YOU'LL make the thing that gets someone else to start loving f/f ships. If you're not an artist or writer, you can still talk to them about their ideas and support their work or hey even commission them to make exactly what you want to see in the world! What a great way to help your favorite artists and writers make more of the things you love to see.

TL:DR I just think it's very odd for a space predominantly inhabited by queer people and women to get so reactionary when people express dissatisfaction with the amount and quality of representation, even in the niche of fandom. Also cook your own food and find people to nerd out with.

#WOW I had a lot more to say about this than I thought I did #queer solidarity #4 eva #slap fighting #Do I think there's internalized misogyny in fandom? absolutely but I don't want to kick that hornets nest #mlm #wlw #f/f #m/m #ships #fandom things #fandom culture #haikyuu #star wars #lesbians

[raisedbythetv89]

So I started watching btvs in 2020 and spuffy especially really got me through a lot during that time. I maybe watched the show 40-50 times in a 3 year span but this week three separate details from season 6 ABOUT SPIKE have been brought to my attention and I fear every rewatch I have just been entirely too horny and distracted just staring at James to properly pay attention to his performance and process everything he’s got going on 💀😭💀😭💀

#SORRY I WAS STARING AND NOT LISTENING POOKIE 😭 #as someone who has been on the receiving end of this and hated it IM UPSET #although james loves being hot so it’s fine but still lol #WHAT A CLICHE I AM #I am bi so it’s actually probably getting so much of sarah and james TOGETHER that overloaded my brain lol #I was paying attention to Buffy and everything she was feeling totally missed some very important spike moments #this might unless a new meta monster in me lol #spuffy #spike btvs #spuffy season 6 #james marsters #at least I was hyper focused on the girl I guess? lots of people focus only on the man’s perspective and ignore the girls bc of internalized #misogyny so slay for me I guess but I’m just so shocked I love that man how could I have missed things

[fastwalker]

I feel like philosophy teachers should really make it more clear that philosophy is just thought experiments and none of it is based on evidence or anything, it's just whatever some misogynistic racist dude made up and sounded cool to other misogynistic racist dudes so his ideas survived.

like esp when said teacher is not subtle abt their fav philosopher and basically uses their classroom to indoctrinate you.

#my philosophy teacher was in love with nietzsche and jfc she had a lot of internalized misogyny she let out on us

[rodlaveraryna]

never forget people like aryna and iga are byproducts of the media they consume

#like internal misogyny is everywhere in tennis media #there is so much lacking in media coverage for wta #they never have those fun games that the atp people play that could introduce new fans to fun personalities #even though there are so many fun personalities in women’s tennis #and there is NO detailed wta technical analysis out there even though that’s the kind of content that connects a lot of people to tennis #and that’s not even getting started on all of the underhanded ways journalists talk about wta players compared to how they write about atp #and all the other non tennis places where we can find internalized misogyny #blame the system not the individuals

[apostate-in-an-alcove]

Choice feminism has rotted people's, especially women's, brains to the point where most of people get super defensive when feminism actually does its job and critiques the things they choose to do. Turns out that women's choices actually don't exist in a vacuum and are often influenced by living in a capitalistic patriarchal society and that we actually should critique some of the things women choose to do.

#choice feminism #liberal feminism #feminism #yeah you have the freedom of choice #but stop pretending that a lot of yall women don't enforce and perpetuate patriarchal values with your awful choices #feminism isn't about freedom of choice its about dismantling the patriarchy and liberating women #its not inherently misogynistic to call women out on their internalized misogyny and other awful behaviour and beliefs

[laurelwinchester]

spn stans are so terrified of women existing within the world of the show that they will literally rewrite canon to say "dean never truly loved any woman" or they will say absolutely absurd shit like "jensen ackles just doesn't have chemistry with women." and yet they still insist that they're not at all misogynistic or biphobic.

#i do realize that i have written this same rant about five hundred billion times but like. how does it keep getting worse???? #aren't new generations supposed to be better? and yet with every new wave the misogyny seems to run even deeper #yeah i have A LOT of thoughts about this new popular 'dean wasn't actually bisexual he was gay' headcanon #y'all have so many internalized issues that you need to work on #but you won't because you've convinced yourselves that you're the solution and not the problem #when in reality you're just the same old problem dressed up in brand new shitty justifications #and the thing is....supernatural is fiction yes but this line of thinking definitely impacts real life #and that's how you end up with outwardly progressive people spouting conservative bullshit and pretending it's what being truly woke is #the poison drips through folks the poison drips through #spn fandom discourse #supernatural #dean winchester #jensen ackles

[dreamyzworldlove]

hot take but richie is wayyyyy more likely to explore femininity than eddie

#now to be clear he still has a lot of internalized homophobia #and yk. the misogyny #but i feel like he would start out by wearing / acting feminine like haha feminine man comedy haha man in dress #but then be like. oh. wait a second. #regardless he is way more likely than eddie to get in touch with his feminine side and i stand by that #richie tozier #eddie kaspbrak #reddie #losers club #it headcanons #richie toizer headcanon #losers club headcanons #it stephen king #it 1990 #it 2017 #it 2019 #it 1986

[warningsine]

#kevin can fuck himself #allison o'connor #tammy ridgeway #kevin can f himself #kevin can f**k himself #sine's edits #q #I don't get people who trash talk Tammy #sure she's not the right partner for Patty that's obvious #she's possessive and controlling even when she has noble intentions and won't wait for Patty #who has her baggage and is dating a woman for the first time in her 30's #and tries to change her/make her more refined #that's why the show kept comparing her to Allison #but when it came to Allison's abuse? she was the only character to notice what's been happening and believe her on the spot no questions #asked #not even Patty was perfect when it came to this #she'd been sitting on her couch for 10 years and wouldn't say a meaningful word to her or support her #bc of her own internalized misogyny #I think people disliked Tammy a lot bc she was a cop totally forgetting the 'my boss was a scumbag white dude and I'm a black gay lady #how do you think that went?' part #not to mention that she let both Allison and Patty get away with a murder attempt drug dealing and two assaults #and then quit her job #and it's not like Patty was perfect to Tammy either #she used her at first and kept lying to her about Allison/her own stuff