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shieldofiron · 2 months
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When I first joined this fandom in late 2022, I had some traction with some stories. And some people reached out to see if I wanted to join a discord server that was owned by a person who at the time had over 1000 followers and posted quite frequently. She was popular, though she presented herself as much more popular than she was. Let’s call her Z.
I did not connect with everyone there, in fact I was uncomfortable for reasons I will go into in a moment, but there were some people I really did connect with, and I stayed to be close to them. And then one day, my closest friend there was kicked out of the space with little to no explanation. He begged the mods and Z, formerly his close friends, and was blocked. I combed the server, but I couldn’t find anything that he did that in my opinion was worth kicking him out. Then he began losing followers and receiving many hurtful and upsetting anons on his tumblr. Angry, because I suspected they had something to do with it, I stopped posting in there and later left. I was disgusted that this was going on and they were acting to my face like it wasn’t, and still sucking up to me about my stories. He said he was worried about me believing him, believing that whatever he did, he didn’t understand what it was. But having witnessed Z’s behavior in her server I had no problem believing it was her and her friends.
Z used to find fanfiction or art of ships that she didn’t like, and @ everyone in the server to come look at it, despite knowing it was extremely distressing for some members. If you protested that you had no issue with these ships in fiction but that maybe you didn’t want to see that on a Tuesday at work in the general chat, Z and her closest friends would harass you (me) to say that it was bad, and evil. She often called for people to unfollow these artists, or block users who she had found and showed to us without any participation on our part. Despite this she frequently became interested in dead dove subject matter, but it was always ok when she did it. Boundaries did not exist to her, except for the boundaries of her taste and how she thought the world should be. Z would routinely make jokes about sensitive subjects like trans rights, and let's just say it felt like it wasn’t her place. But don’t worry, Z would say, I have friends who are [joke she had made] [from country she had insulted] so it’s fine. There’s only so many times you can hear a joke like that and not wonder why it’s being made over and over. If you were offended, everything was a joke, or there was something you didn’t understand.
This server was a deeply uncomfortable space. Many times I felt harassed over my politics, over my opinions in fiction, and it was often easier to just swallow this. When I met my friends there, they showed courage standing up for themselves and I am so glad that I found them. With them, my experiences of this fandom lightened enormously. Z and her friends had made me so paralyzed, paranoid and unhappy. I had been afraid to even talk about my race however tangentially. I was afraid to make posts against anti behavior, because they had so twisted the way I thought the Billy fandom would perceive them. Thankfully I do not think that the majority of the fandom agrees with her views.
Z apparently has been presenting harassing my friend as a misunderstanding. Perhaps the misunderstanding is that she thinks any of this is harmless. Misunderstandings can be overcome, discussed, apologized for. If someone is confused, you can explain, you can be civil. There was no discussion.
Z made no effort, except to further talk about him and others behind their backs. She never reached out to clear anything up at any time. Her excuses when she made them were frankly shocking. And she never explained to me why my friend was so dangerous, but hid behind fake apologies and more popular friends, lying to my face like things were all good. My friend made a post when he felt safe with her username and the username of another person who harassed him. My friends that I kept from that server are the bravest people I know who understand that reputation means nothing if you can’t look at your own actions with conviction. And Z went away for a time.
Until I earlier this year, I was invited to a very large Billy server. Immediately I was confused by a user I had seemingly never seen before who had me blocked. It was Z, with a new name. She had me blocked until she saw me interacting positively with a very popular artist. Then I somehow became unblocked. Which was very interesting. I came to find that she was very close friends with them or tried to be. She appeared to be very close with the owner of the server too.
I was obviously wary but who knows. People can change. I really believe that. Unfortunately I do not believe that she has changed yet.
All of her old behavior was back as was my paranoia and fear. And it appeared that, emboldened by her friendship with the owner of the server and others, she felt safe going even further. Here was finally what she had craved, a large platform and popularity to continue her previous behavior. I later came to find out that the owner of the server had her own issues with bullying others, twisting the truth, and other, much more serious things. They showed the same character that Z always did, sweet to my face and sour behind everyone’s back. Yet again people said that they worried they wouldn’t be believed. They were afraid of the fandom famous people who were their friends.
Perhaps it’s just me, but if I had been called out in the past for bullying a trans person online I would distance myself from any appearance of transphobia or bullying or lying. Not Z. She in fact announced that she would bully the mods and “everyone” in the server when people joined. I am not paraphrasing, she said he was a bully so often that it was almost comical. She openly said she was an anti when someone confronted her over AGAIN trying to publicly shame authors and create mass unfollowing campaigns. There were no or minimal consequences for this. She would casually bring up the same old jokes and dogwhistles that she used to, uglier with time, and to me pathetically stripped of anything that could have excuse them.
Nobody told me these things. I saw it with my own eyes. But still, somehow, she was the hero, the popular beloved person in every story. I was afraid because she had very powerful friends. Or at least she pretended she did. Because she was friends with a server owner who hurt people I cared about. I am still afraid now. But I’d rather do it afraid for my friends than watch this happen.
I would give up every stupid note on every stupid meme if it meant trans people, and all vulnerable people, felt safe in fandom spaces. I am tired of dishonest communication and trying to play some stupid game I never fucking cared about. If some popular person wants to crush me like a grape for believing my friends, they can go ahead and do it already.
Everybody wants to be liked, everybody wants to be believed. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to be liked. But I’m done waiting for people to believe me or like me. I’m done waiting for people to wake up and take a look in the mirror. To explain and to deign themselves to listen. I believe in my friends. I believe my eyes, and I believe in my own convictions. That’s enough for me.
I believe people can change. I hope they do. But I hope they do away from vulnerable people who they can hurt carelessly.
I’m not blocking you. Clean up your own mess.
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There are a lot of takes and tropes that bother me in the MDZS fandom, but don’t really bother me outside of it, and I’ve been wondering why that is for a while now. And I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s because of the way the MDZS universe, is portrayed, and the roles it plays in the story, when compared to those other pieces of media.
Because one thing I’ve noticed in fandoms I’m in is that people like having hope. Maybe bad things happened to the characters, yes, but surely there are lots of good people out there – maybe if something happens so that the abused character is brought up by them instead, things will turn out well! Or maybe if those people see what’s really happening with the misunderstood protagonist, everything will be ok!  
And it’s one thing to believe humanity is inherently good, or is inherently anything. And it’s definitely understandable that people want to believe that about humanity in a fictional universe, which can often function as a form of escapism But the thing with fictional universes is that they generally skew on one side of the spectrum, whether that side agrees with those views, or not. Pessimistic or optimistic, hopeful or hopeless.
And MDZS... is not an hopeful universe.
Now, that’s not saying there aren’t good people in it, or that we’re left with no possibility things could change for the better – the Juniors precisely embody that  hope! And a lot of the established characters are good people, it’s not saying it’s impossible. But generally, the view on society and societal structures, and the people inhabiting it from the top to the bottom, tends to be quite cynical. For evidence, just look at how all the clans reacted to the situation with Wei Wuxian and the Wen remnants, and how the one person who spoke up about it, Mianmian, was treated. I don’t think MDZS is making a case about how all leaders are corrupt, though some are, but it is making one about how most people will blindly follow the people in power and turn on anyone who opposes that, and how that can lead to mob mentality and false gossip and danger if that leader is corrupt. The fault and the problem is with the structures themselves. 
And because of that, it’s impossible to eliminate one thing that’s the problem. There’s no one person behind the state of the world, though some definitely take advantage of it, so you can’t get rid of Y factor in Z character’s life and make everything all right. For example, there are a lot of stories where Wei Wuxian is raised by the Lans or the Nies, and that somehow makes everything alright. And maybe something similar would work in other fandoms, where there is one nation or group of people that’s the problem – but the corruption here is society-deep. That would not solve the problem – the classism, the mob mentality, the dehumanisation and so on – because that’s how the world is going to be. Likewise, I also see AUs where people found out what the situation really was at the Burial Mounds and everyone went to band against the evil Jin Sect and help Wei Wuxian. But the Jins weren’t the only sect responsible, and if the sects didn’t know the situation before (though some people definitely did), they definitely knew after the siege – who threw the Wen remnants’ bodies into the Blood Pool, again? And that didn’t change their attitude at all. Because the Wens aren’t seen as human (there’s a reason they’re called Wen-dogs), they’re seen as less than that, and they’re seen as not deserving of life. Being ‘innocent’ doesn’t change that. 
Just because a similar premise works in other fandoms, where maybe there is one main thing that’s the problem, doesn’t mean it’ll work in all of them. And it certainly won’t here.
Again, the one person who spoke up in favour of Wei Wuxian protecting the Wens because maybe there was more to it? Ostracised. And in MDZS, people like Mianmian are most definitely presented as the exception, not the norm.
The MDZS world is not kind. And too much of the plot hinges on that for it to be easily changed.
(...And I do wonder if this thinking is a factor in people thinking Wei Wuxian rejects help too, or is bad at dealing with the situation involving the Wens, or the Golden Core, or anything else. Because if the world was kind, surely there wouldn’t be a reason not to ask for support, right? And because of that, people mistake his very sensible (and accurate) view of the clans in power for low self-esteem and being simple unwilling to ask.)
...This isn’t a condemnation of fix-its in MDZS. If you want to write one, great! But understand that in the universe you’re writing about, you can’t remove simply one thing, or one clan, or one person, and make everything ok. A story written with a premise like alternate clan adoption or people finding out what's actually happening can be great, if you remember the constraints of the universe you’re working within.
Some universes are hopeful, others are not. And you can’t have the same trope working exactly the same way in two on different ends of the spectrum.
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for any sci-fi/dystopia writers out there (or any other writer who has reason to include a fictional prescription/pharmaceutical drug in their story) who care vaguely about certain degrees of realism:
There are actually perfectly understandable legal reasons that pharmaceutical drugs have such weird names, both for generic and brand names. It’s not just random. This post for now is only about generic names but if people show any degree of interest I might make a followup with information about brand names.
First, generic names are made to be the same worldwide so people traveling to other countries can still ask doctors for prescriptions. Generic drugs also have to have a two-syllable prefix (which helps with identification) and a suffix that indicates how the drug functions. For instance, “-cycline” (ie doxycycline) indicates that something is an antibiotic, and “-etine” (ie fluoxetine) indicates that something is an SSRI. Here is a list of pharmaceutical suffixes and their meanings. The prefix of a drug’s generic name also can’t contain letters in the English alphabet that aren’t used in many other languages, like Y (except I think when it’s used for a more common vowel sound), H, J, K, or W.
The name of the drug also can’t be considered marketing. This is my biggest pet peeve in fiction when authors are trying to semi-realistically depict the pharmaceutical industry and if I’m being honest it’s the reason I bothered making this post at all. Companies can’t even name their drug something that’s an ANAGRAM of a marketing claim. They submit three potential drug names to the USAN, an association of pharmacists, doctors, and related regulatory professionals, and the USAN will run all possible anagrams of the name as part of their decision-making process. If they think a drug name sounds too much like marketing, they simply don’t allow it and send back a list they create of 3 names to choose from.
Companies cannot name a drug “Joy” (looking at you, resident evil netflix adaptation) or “Phalanx” from world war Z. It’s heavy-handed and shows a lack of research in what are sometimes otherwise well-researched media. Pharmaceutical companies can cause devastating damage with legally-named drugs. If you wanted to make a movie about a fictionalized version of the opioid epidemic, you would look stupid if you named the oxycodone analogue something like “painkill” or “insta-relief.” It can take away from the weight of the story in a subtle but notable way. It’s a small factor, but I know there are writers out there who really care about things like this and might not realize they have no idea why pharmaceuticals get named the way they do. If you’re trying to write something that depicts pharmaceutical drugs at all and you don’t want to beat your audience over the head with what you’re trying to say, don’t name your fictional drug something dumb.
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dykejaskier · 3 months
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Hi! Rüdeger anon here!!!
Rüdeger's reaction at Andreas finding them at the library it very telling to me personally. He doesn't reject or distance himself from Mathieu or their relationship, implying to me that he might not necessarily feel guilt over their relationship, rather like you said fear over the consequences of being found out. That's not to say he's never felt guilty or the guilt might come in waves, (because I do think that in all likelihood he might) but I think what might actually worry him is the breaking of his vows rather than loving Mathieu. I also think the fact that monastic being separated from secular life is precisely why he is able to be in his relationship, and acess/understand his queerness. A lot of monks/priests/nuns do describe being "married" to God and I suppose in that sense there is a fulfilment and comfort if you are queer and part of the clergy, maybe not being able to be in a relationship with person, but being able to acess that same affection through God. I think Rüdeger would have a complicated but not entirely fraught relationship with his faith and queerness.
Personal hc: this is totally not projection onto a fictional character lmao. But I think Rüdeger could have OCD. Especially in regards to scrupulosity/routine/his anxiety. Someone needs to get him some St Johns wort stat!!!
I have a lot of thoughts/feelings about Rüdeger/Mathieu that I can't articulate rn but I'd love to hear more of your thoughts if you're willing!!!! I hope this isn't too much spam!!! ❤️‍🔥🕊️
hi! not too much spam at all, thank you for writing back! <3
I also think the fact that monastic being separated from secular life is precisely why he is able to be in his relationship, and acess/understand his queerness
good point!! i mentioned the monastery course i took, and as an atheistic (partially anti-theistic) queer person, it was during the first lecture that i really got why someone would want to join a monastic community (sorry if that sounds condescending, i mean it sincerely). like, it's entirely possible that if i were to have lived in a different era, i would've become a nun just to escape secular obligations of marriage/children/whatnot. obvi it would've been different for men vs women but still. and also co-signed on the rest of your points
re: ocd, i admittedly don't know much about it, so i'm sorry in advance if i say very obvious OR stupid things. but i'm curious if the daily schedule of monks, which would've by its nature been very repetitive/structured/consistent, would be helpful? like finding a sense of peace and stability in the knowledge that most days are the same. and that's another reason why the town riot is so hard on him - it disrupts these routines, displaces his place in the world, potentially triggers compulsive thoughts - hence why mathieu says he's "been deep in prayer" ever since they fled to the library. like he's going back to his routines as a coping mechanism (compulsively repeating the prayer, because something is wrong > if i do x y and z it can be fixed?)
sidebar since i went back to look at that scene again, it's so so sweet how, when andreas is encouraging him to sing to the others, he says "i believe in you and mathieu believes in you" :( they're in love your honour. in general mathieu being so comforting and gentle here gives me brainrot
if at any point you have more rüdeger/mathieu (or pentiment in general) thoughts i'd love to hear them! thanks again for sending these asks <3
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scumtrout · 1 year
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There's a scene in Tommyknockers where Character B asks why Character A is powering alien tech with a frankly stupid amount of batteries instead of leeching off the power grid.
And Character A points out that the power grid uses AC and they need DC.
To which they are asked, 'WHY DIDN'T YOU USE A FUCKING CONVERTER THEN?'
And it's suggested that Character A was just doing things in ways that worked, not ways that were efficient, because 1) they didn't understand the theory behind anything, and 2) they suffered from the sort of stubborn bloody-mindedness that's typically associated with addiction and mental illness, where all they cared about was getting from Point X to Point Y. If you have something in your brain that's screaming, 'YOU NEED TO DO Y!' then you're not very inclined to stop and think, 'Why do I need to do Y?' (Because after you've established the reasons for doing Y, you can then figure out the optimal ways to do Y, or decide to do Z instead if Z is a better fit, but these things take time, and it doesn't feel like you have time when your brain is screaming at you to do Y.)
I've seen the 'YOU COULD'VE JUST USED A CONVERTER' scene mentioned above criticized because it seems an afterthought (Tommyknockers is honestly like a NaNoWriMo project that got published), but I still love it because it's a rare instance in fiction where you see the characters do Cargo Cult programming.
The book is a complete mess that has a really good novel buried deep inside it, yet it does make me think about how frequently I use things without understanding how they work beyond a certain level. I'm pretty dependent on electricity, and I could tell you in general terms how a motor works, but I have nowhere near enough knowledge to do something like wire a house, for example.
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mrangeldevil · 2 years
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ive been thinking about this way too long and im forcing everybody to hear me out
The 2010s Cinnamon Roll vs The 2020s Blorbo
both words have extremely similar meanings and intentions, but entirely different effects
the term ‘precious cinnamon roll’ was mainly used in the 2010s in fandom to describe someones favorite character (and is still used to this day but with much less frequency esp since its seen as a “cringy” word or a millenial word even though it was used in the 2010s which many gen z were definitely there to witness but i digress)
then the term ‘blorbo’ is also a word with the same meaning, a fandom word to describe someones favorite character, but this time it is the word for the 2020s and much like ‘precious cinnamon roll’ it will likely be looked down upon as an outdated internet slang in a few years (or maybe even by next year considering how fast the internet goes compared to before)
but while both terms mean the same thing, they come across completely differently. for one, ‘precious cinnamon roll’ is not only a lot longer but is a word that drips with sweetness, like something your grandma would call you, and is generally reserved for characters who are sweet in themselves. and while you can technically call any character your precious cinnamon roll, it is undeniably weird/funny when you call a character like Wolverine your precious cinnamon roll. its longer phrasing also leans in well to the kind of internet culture before, as in the 2020s things run a lot faster so a word that is easy and quick to say like “blorbo” makes sense. i also find it interesting that the term is generally also said as “my precious cinnamon roll” adding a personal quality compared to “the blorbo” which can sound more impersonal due to its phrasing.
now before i go onto blorbo i do want to mention that another thing both terms share is the idea of “!!!!!XD sO RaNdOm!!!!!” just different flavors of it. the 2010s used randomness in a way that involved using familiar things in unconventional ways but not too unconventional. cinnamon roll being a perfect example as using a random food to describe a fictional character is, very random. the 2020s meanwhile, use randomness in a way that makes everything feel like an elaborate inside joke that is completely incomprehensible. someone who isnt familiar to the internet can probably put together why people call things “precious cinnamon roll” pretty fast but how in the world would you understand “blorbo”? theres no way to tie the term to anything in real life, blorbo is a purely internet joke that simply cannot exist outside the internet because its basically an inside joke that we’re all in on
and that brings me to blorbo (also associated with scrunkly, scrimblo and the works): blorbo originated from this hellsite, being a term originally to parody fandom spaces. its a bit hard to describe but the best way to put it is, you make a post and it blows up and fandoms immediately keep naming a shit ton of characters you have no idea who the fuck they are so you just pick a random word out of your ass and you say “guys i do not care about Blorvo Blingblong please for the love of fuck stop saying it”
annnd thats how you end up with the term Blorbo. it is the definition of a stupidly elaborate inside joke that only chronically online people will ever get. and that perfectly describes the type of humor of the 2020s.
and the term itself has a very different connotation to ‘precious cinnamon roll’ while that terms connotation of sweetness is extremely obvious, blorbo is extremely vague and very much left to personal interpretation and its absolute randomness, while adding a funny factor that cinnamon roll could only wish to achieve, is undeniably very inpersonal as it was designed that way. it is designed to fit literally ANY character, its a throwaway name, you could use it anytime on anyone, Walter White can be a fucking blorbo if you wanted him to be.
now this isnt trying to actually pick a fight between these two terms, thatd be fucking stupid and if you did try to you need to get offline more. i just wanted to analyze these two words and how people use them.
im personally a fan of neither while loving both, cinnamon roll comes across as very ‘grandma’ and can have a fan-girl attribute to it that, as a masculine dude dont personally like but still find myself appreciating its use as it was the word i grew up seeing used in fandom and was pretty commonplace till 2019. i also appreciate how much more personal the word is, it conveys an overwhelming feeling of sweetness and personal investment and that is probably why some people still prefer the term. meanwhile blorbo is pretty gender neutral (albeit mostly used by girls it still has no gendered connotation) its a lot quicker to say, its an extremely funny word to say, and its the word that is the most popular now, but it loses a lot of the personal feeling that cinnamon roll had and is very reflective of the time period its from, its funny and quick for a moment till it becomes bland and meaningless in a year or so
idk how to end this off, this is just some linguist hobbyist’s rant about two stupid words but which ones do you prefer if you read all this way?
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imekitty · 10 months
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If you still do the writing ask game.
9, 26 and 32. If you don’t want to answer all, you can just choose one! I saw an ask saying it was your birthday a few days ago, so happy late birthday!
First, thank you for the birthday wish! ^^
(Weird Questions for Writers)
Honestly, you could send me an ask for a writing ask game from three years ago and I would still very happily answer it!
9. Do you believe in ghosts?
That is the question to ask the whole DP fandom, isn't it lol. So I myself have never seen/felt anything supernatural, but my mom and sisters have seen/felt/heard ghosts, and their stories are too bizarre for me to just discount. I also know that they aren't liars, so I can only say that I don't know if I believe in ghosts, but I'd like to believe that they're real? I'd like to believe that there's some proof of something beyond death in our world.
I've also had a bizarre Disney movie moment where a psychic told me that the reason I'm blocked from using my clairvoyant gifts (because I've been told by several people that I have a clairvoyant aura...somehow) is because my great great grandmother (my mom's dad's mom's mom) has a hold on me due to some generational trauma and we have only one picture of this woman and she looks exactly like me lol.
So ghosts...maybe?
26. How do you get into your character’s head? How do you get out? Do you ever regret going in there in the first place?
There isn't a particular technique I do to get into a character's head. I am pretty naturally empathic, like I am able to discern how people are feeling or what they are thinking and I can often feel it in my own being. I'm also able to understand why people do the things they do, which is why I don't get too angry or impatient with people very often. I am also pretty good at talking people through their feelings or actions and helping them see other people or events in their lives from a new perspective.
My mom keeps saying I should be a therapist lol. But I think the closest I'll get to that is writing Ghost on the Couch.
Anyway, this seems to apply to fictional characters as well. I feel that I'm able to just connect with them easily and understand not only what they do but why they do it.
And I never regret it. :) I appreciate how fiction can help me gain a new understanding of the people around me.
32. What is a line from a poem/novel/fanfic etc that you return to from time and time again? How did you find it? What does it mean to you?
One line that just kind of stuck in my head ever since I read it was from Mark Z. Danielewski's House of Leaves. The plot of the novel is hard to explain succinctly, it's basically a horror metafiction about a house that has a big maze on the inside. It's not an easy read, the text starts going crazy in all directions because I think it's supposed to simulate the feeling of being in a labyrinth? I've only ever read it once and I don't actually want to read it ever again lol.
To give you an idea of why this book is difficult and frankly exhausting to read, here's a screenshot of the page with the line that I still think about:
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I don't even remember what is going on at this point in the book but I remember the line "Picture that. In your dreams." Because there is just something so haunting about that line, something about how it's broken up by a period, not a comma, a full stop. That feeling of unease but also something so surreal, like twilight, the space between the administration of anesthesia and falling into dark unconsciousness.
It's just exactly the kind of atmosphere I try to create in my fics.
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risingsouls · 1 year
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🦎[What do you think could be done to improve Super as a series?]
🦎 for my work thoughts || Always Accepting!
[Hoo boy. That's a big question because I would change so damn much. But I think I can sort it down to three main categories:
Tone Whiplash
Taking the interesting concepts introduced and keeping them interesting
Make it feel less like a parody (which is sort of a combo of the two but)
Probably one of the biggest issues I have with Super is the tone whiplash we get from Z to Super. For me, Z evolved from Dragonball's fun, comedic, and more whimsical tone to Z's well-implemented balance of seriousness when the moment called for it while keeping some of the fun and humor from DB. In other words, the series felt like it matured with the characters to put it a different way. Then Super comes in and it feels like it's more interested in reviving much of DB's comedic tone, relying more on jokes and fan service rather than actually continuing the story with a tone similar to what we get in Z. Moments that deserve anything other than a laugh feel passed over if not disregarded in seconds. The characters we watched grow and mature and change feel completely regressed to either what we see in DB if they were there (big examples being Goku and Bulma for this) or their characterization goes full tilt into One Attribute to the point od the character feeling totally flat or their motivations and actions just don't make sense because of it (Vegeta is a good example of this one). And all of this is, as I said, either for a laugh or because of fan service (and I don't just mean the sexy kind, either; excuse my tinfoil hat here, but I've been convinced for a long time that Super's writers are absolutely actively taking cues from fan material and reactions far more than they did with Z because I know there were issues with that back then too) makes it feel like you're watching a completely unrelated series if not just a fan made series. If you're not prepared for it, it's a really big slap in the face and jarring.
The next thing that absolutely sucks with Super is they really do actually introduce a lot of neat concepts and plots but....do nothing with them or ruin them by the end of the arc. Super is a bottomless mine for new concepts from God Ki In general, gods of destruction, angels, and the new universes to new forms(?) like Ultra Instinct, Beast Gohan, Orange Piccolo (both stupid names) and Ultra Ego. But we get next to zero explanation of them, and if we do, it's conflicting or even completely retconned later in the series. Again, it feels like it's all done just to do it and bring in a new form or power or whatever without making it feel relevant or giving any understanding as to why it's special from what we already know and understand. Similarly, pretty much all of the main arcs start our with interesting premises. However, most of the time, by the end, it becomes a huge train wreck and the whole thing just felt like a waste of time (the Goku Black arc which doesn't deserve the hype the fandom gives it I'll say it and the Granolah arc are good examples for basically the same reason). In every arc, it basically feels like there are no real stakes, and, if there were stakes like in the ToP, they get ripped out from beneath us by the god of gods saying they only made the tournament to see if the winner would wish back the other universes from being erased. And even with the concession of Zeno apparently claiming that he would erase all the universes if the winner made a selfish wish, it just makes the entire arc feel pointless. And this feels like it happens in every arc: if the plot had any teeth, by the end, they've been completely ripped out.
And finally, it just needs to not feel like I'm watching or reading a parody or poorly executed fan fiction. As I said this kind of puts both of them together and is just big on how poor the writing is most of the time, from the plot to the characters themselves. I mean shit there's not even blood. And I guess I get they're trying to appeal to a younger audience but listen. I was watching Goku beat the tar out of Frieza at 6 and I liked the series just fine, blood and not constant jokes and all. And maybe I'm just asking to much of this series but damn. If it felt like there was half the effort put into Super as was put into Z (which don't get me wrong could have used a little more effort and care itself in places), this could have actually been a halfway enjoyable series. But as it stands, I can barely handle a few episodes at a time or more than the monthly manga chapter to sate my curiosity and see if anything I want to see in this series comes to pass.]
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dgcatanisiri · 10 months
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Y'know, I do get worried sometimes about the way that even in leftist anti-terf spaces, there's often an... I'm gonna call it a reflexive worst case response to still assume the worst of men, like there's this inherent attitude of assuming that anything they do that is deemed wrong is also done with intention to cause discomfort.
It's even in the way of "hey guys, don't do this," when there's like DMs of what are probably parasocial relationships making an impression of assuming a closer friendship than there actually is. Y'know, there've often been cases of women who get these kinds of DMs and then post pictures of it (hopefully blacking out the names) on social media as an example of what not to do.
Cuz like... doing that tends to prompt the social media mob to start investigating and try to figure out who did the creepy thing - the story gets taken out of the posters hands and made into the absolute worst possible thing, when the worst "crime" was assuming that someone was closer than the other person thought they were.
To be clear, I do understand why there's a jump to this on the part of women in general, I'm not saying that it's a response that comes from nowhere.
But at the same time, there's also still what sometimes comes across as an undercurrent of always assuming the worst of the men involved in these situations, which... feels like it might come from terf talk of assuming all men are inherently dangerous and not to be trusted because of the fact that they are men.
I mean, I'm basically word-vomiting this out right now because I read some stories that involved various drama on this, and just thought about how I respond in a lot of scenarios. Like... I've outright worried in the past if me responding to like various YouTubers on Twitter is overstepping my bounds, when honestly, I'm saying this about a YouTuber who probably has had their notifications set to only show them responses from mutuals anyway. I've even held back from making comments BECAUSE I worry about coming across as overstepping those bounds.
So like... I could easily see myself doing this with people. I mean, I've had a few occasions where I've said something on Twitter that got a like from actual celebrities, but like... That may be a thing that makes my day, but they probably would never recognize me by my screen name if I were to like speak with them at a con or something.
Also, probably there's some commentary to be had about how we turn random voices on the internet into micro-celebrities, simply because they sit in front of a camera for a few hours at a time and rant about their views on X, Y, and Z, and how damaging that can be for both the person in front of the camera and the audience - I have like a less than nothing of a platform here on Tumblr, but if I went and made like YouTube videos that were basically me reading my venting and rants as a script, slapped some footage on top of that audio... I could probably end up being able to give myself a trajectory into the Video Essay Community™ because of it. And then I'd have to become MUCH more concerned about the inevitable Discourse™ that comes from it - even to the point of potentially being doxxed and having to move, just because someone disagrees with my opinions and thinks that I deserve to pay for not agreeing about the portrayal of video game characters or something.
Like the most drama I've ever been a personal party to was that weirdness a couple of years back of someone accusing me of wishing violence upon ACTUAL women because of my lack of sympathy for a FICTIONAL race of female-only aliens, due to their portrayal and actions during the FICTIONAL existential war, and then listing off a series of either wild misinterpretations or outright lies to try and make that out as a pattern of behavior. Beyond that, I've had a couple of instances of people taking my saying X means that I don't give a shit about Y...
But amplify that the way that inevitably comes when you end up with a platform of thousands, of hundreds of thousands, all taking the worst possible interpretation of your words and then amplifying that so that people who've never heard of you now hear those interpretations...
And when I think about it, yes, honestly, I do kinda fear what would happen from that because of my being male - obviously, again, I don't want to frame myself as being more vulnerable than women to doxxing and all that associated concerns, but... I feel somewhat like my vulnerability would be played down by others because of my gender, because of my sexuality, that I would be seen as being less "at risk" just because I'm male, even though I'd theoretically be just as much at risk as anyone else - hell, I'd inevitably be speaking leftist rhetoric while living in a red state, which... I mean, I see plenty of signs of support for the guy who just got his mugshot taken on a daily basis, so it'd be dangerous for me all the same.
That's what I'm getting at in saying that sometimes you see this downplaying of and dismissal of men, the kind that comes from terf rhetoric dismissing what men go through because it's not as persistent and socially pervasive as what men go through.
But it seems sometimes like what women get as waves of harassment, men can end up getting in a series of piling microaggressions that everyone - not just those hurling them at them, but even by the men in question - downplay.
I mean, it's not like I don't know about the way that MRAs have ruined the whole concept of "men's rights" and that sort of thing, but... I DO genuinely think there needs to be more discussion of the way that patriarchy broadly hurts men AND how sometimes attempts to undo the damage it's inflicted towards women can be overcorrected for to continue inflicting damage on men.
Again, this is a lot of word-vomit on my part, so this may well not necessarily read right, but... I mean, that's kinda going back to the "worst case interpretation" thing, isn't it, that I'm trying to process this as best I'm able, but maybe not able to put it into the best words, so some random person can come along and decide I'm saying that men are the real victims or something like that...
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jaggededges123 · 1 year
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five things you never get tired of writing
thanks for tagging me, @ripeteeth!
i'll tag @ibijau, @walkwithursus, @neliore, @br-disaster, @a-schrodingers-fox, and anyone else who wants to do it! (obviously, don't feel obligated even if tagged!)
i do have to say, before we start, that most of these are going to be emotions in one sense or another. one of my favorite things about writing in general is the ability to explore the emotional landscape and interior of a character (whether my own or someone else's).
pining
wanting something you can't have, or shouldn't have, or shouldn't want to have, really speaks to me as a queer person who grew up in a very repressive and religious household. wanting a person you shouldn't have . . . well, that's par for the course. Feeling like the person you want is out of reach because they don't want you back is also one of my favorite feelings to explore (though of course, i do also love mutual pining because of point number 4). it's just tragic and beautiful i think, to love someone and to not expect to be loved in return, and to want it but to understand that you can't have that because of x, y, or z.
2. guilt
the further i get into writing this thing, the more i'm realizing that there's a theme lmfao. but yeah, guilt is really compelling to me in narratives, especially if it's overblown to the point that it's overwhelming to the characters. even better if characters feel guilty for things when they don't really need to, ie feeling responsible for events they're not responsible for or feeling guilty for who they are as a person, but i'll settle for things the characters "should" feel guilty for in a pinch. i do also like to explore why certain characters feel guilt for one thing or another, and if other characters don't, why they don't.
3. taboo relationships
this isn't necessarily just like, social taboos either. i write incest fanfic, sure, but even most of my original fiction contains romantic relationships that usually are censured by the people around them. characters on the opposite sides of a war, characters who are from social spheres that seem incompatible, duty getting in the way, characters meant to stay single, etc, etc. i'm quite obsessed with characters receiving explicit or implicit messages from their society that they shouldn't engage in romance or sex with a specific or any person, and then throwing all of that in the garbage and going for it anyway. bonus points because this usually includes points number 1 and 2.
4. happy endings
i feel like this selection sticks out like a sore thumb when compared to everything else on the list, but i truly adore being able to wrap a story up with a happy (or moving in that direction) little bow. even if it's a little bit of a stretch sometimes, i will never get tired of the feeling of "no matter how dark the night gets, the morning sunrise will always come and it will be beautiful." of course i write stories that end sadly as well from time to time, but happy endings are my preference if i can manage one, and i only rarely design outlines without figuring out a way to dig the characters out of the hole i put them in.
5. sadness
i have to make my characters suffer before they have a happy ending. big splashy emotions make or break a story for me when i'm writing, but sadness is my favorite to roll around in. it's been years since that's been the case, but originally it was an outlet for the very deep depression i had when i was younger. even now that i'm grown it's still just as cathartic to work out my own feelings by torturing my little fictional children.
when i started writing this i didn't think i would get nearly this much out, and i've had a couple realizations along the way lol. so thanks again for the tag, teeth! i really enjoyed sitting and thinking for a little bit instead of moving moving moving like i usually do.
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gunsli-01 · 1 year
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People complaining about the verdict of certain prisoners switching and votes not mattering have really selective memories. So, let me remind you Haruka was at 50/50 several times during his second trial then people voted him guilty in mass during the last couple days and Yuno was voted Innocent two trials in a row.
Resulting in this
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TL;DR: If a character you like is Guilty now that's not the result of a more diverse or robust fandom. Not everyone is going to agree on how to vote but everyone deserves to be able to vote. Regardless of anyone in this fandoms individual opinion.
The votes aren't changing because the fandom is larger or more diverse. This is the same crap that's been going on since trial one. Things are only changing because people are learning more information, and recognizing their previous favorable assumptions were wrong.
That's kind of what happens when you idolize real or fictional people. The only options left to them is to disappoint or live up to the image people imagined. Something impossible because no one is a mind reader and even though the characters can cononically hear what we think no one owes it to anybody to behave in a manner they don't wish to.
I can be upset about Haruka's verdict, but I can't objectively state that I don't understand why some people would want him to be Guilty. I can't even say wanting that verdict for him for malicious reasons is objectively bad. Everyone in Milgram has done messed up things. It's understandable that for just as many people that, like a certain character, there will be folks that hate that character.
No one is universally likable. However, I've literally seen people discussing wishing Milgram voting was region locked to Japan. Which is such a ridiculous wish... Like man, let's just create the Electoral College real quick just because the verdict Mu is getting here is not the one I want and certain votes should and do matter than others. This is like when they were discussing raising the voting age in the states because Gen Z appeared to be more liberal and progressive.
Everyone was real quick to tie Yuno's situation to politics, but now that Mu's case is clearly about classism and racial bias, people have gotten a bit quiet. People are literally saying certain people don't deserve to vote because of where they live. Hm, I wonder what that sounds like. I wonder what specific countries they don't want to have the ability to vote? Or would it be specific areas in certain countries that would be given that right outside of Japan based on some unknown standard?
Man that doesn't sound familiar at all... Everyone likes majority voting systems when they're a part of the majority. Yet, when the tides change, we need systemic reform. Fucking wild. The entitlement being displayed during Mu's trial should be documented as a point of shame in this fandoms history and studied in media classes as an example of the type of shit white passing characters and people can get away with. Like the younger generation is better my ass seems like a lot of these generations are just like their parents.
Can't believe I have to see some of these takes with my own eyes.
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What I like about cosmic horror* in particular is the fact that our knowledge of the universe and science in general keeps expanding (and as an archaeologists all talk about astronomy and physics and quantum begins to sound like magic at times), but there is still more. And there will always be more to know. The more we know, the more we acknowledge that there is Far More that we Don't Know. And we know for a fact that most of the things we Think We Know are only make-do explanations, waiting for something that will explain mystery X/Y/Z better. Since truth is (and cannot be) an absolute thing (yeah, scientists, that will not happen and cannot happen), we have to survive with Circumstantial Certainties; things that make sense now.
And we're all happy with these temporary truths.
The leap into the cosmic horror side of knowledge is that while fiction can concoct all sorts of scenarios about what we Don't Know that try to give a glimpse of the Actual Truth (or, rather, a More Accurate Truth), we cannot be certain that they are not correct. And there is always a chance that we can come up with an explanation that adds more sense to something, but that implies dismantling all other Circumstantial Certainties. Admitting that we are living just thinking about temporal lies that fit our understanding of the world then gets a ball rolling that are quite interesting thinking exercises, because they end up with "what's the point of anything?" and "it matters not what we do" if everything in the vastness of the universe is beyond our understanding and comprehension.
Most stories about cosmic horror end up being about this transition from knowing to more-knowing and the feeling of emptiness, the actual terror that you get when realising you're not just living a massive lie, but that you're living a lie that is Universally and Absolutely pointless, that nothing matters in the Larger Scheme and that the Forces Beyond could just put everything to an end. Perhaps I, as an archaeologists who intends to expand our knowledge of something very particular about our own minute and inconsequential past [circumstantially speaking], am more interested in this kind of horror.
*NB: despite general views on the topic, cosmic horror is NOT about tentacled monsters from beyond time and space. They are cool too, but cosmic horror can be much more nuanced and not only Lovecraftian. Cosmic horror is about the pointlessness of existence and the dread that comes from really Finding Out.
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YEEEEEEES THIS IS WHAT I MEAAAAAAAN!!!
Abso-fucking-lutely!!!! It's the reason why I love Bloodborne so much, because while it DOES have tentacled monsters and shit running around, the story focuses so much on what humans do with the knowledge that we're given, the knowledge that we tear away forcibly, and the consequences of it!!!! It's the HUBRIIIIIIIIS!!!!
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starryknightwrites, anon admires you for attempting to reason with Chloe fans, but at this point, I don't think modern fandoms even CAN be reasoned with.
If Chloe fans were the only problem, fandom might be salvageable. But this isn't an "isolated incident" of bullying apologism, this has become a PATTERN, and it's not exclusive to Miraculous Ladybug.
In the My Hero Academia fandom, Bakugo fans believe it's Izuku's job to fix his bully, who violently assaulted him for 10 years and told him to kill himself.
In the Life is Strange fandom, Victoria fans believe it's Max's job to fix her bully, despite Victoria having almost driven Max's friend Kate Marsh to suicide.
In the Naruto fandom, Sasuke fans believe it's Naruto's job to fix Sasuke, and Sasuke fans acted like the show personally betrayed them somehow when Naruto married Hinata instead.
In the Avatar the Last Airbender fandom, Azula fans constantly scream at the top of their lungs that Zuko is a terrible person for leaving the sister who tormented him for years.
This isn't just a few Chloe fans, this has become an ORGANIZED PHILOSOPHY in modern fandom culture.
There is something horrendously wrong with Generation Z's expectations for "how the world should work." Somehow, Generation Z has been raised to believe, with every fiber of their being, that "other people only exist to act as therapists for their own attackers."
At this point, we may need to write off modern fandom culture as a "lost cause", and just concentrate on raising future generations with more humane and responsible values that don't burden victims with the expectation of appeasing their own attackers.
Hi anon. This has been a thing for a while. I wouldn't necessarily blame Gen Z. After all, this trope is named for many a millennial Harry Potter fan. All sorts of personal factors go into it... how much the fan relates to the character, the ability of the fan to be objective rather than subjective, media literacy ability, etc. I think so long as fiction and subjective bias exist, there will always be people who lean so deeply into their biases that they "______ in Leather Pants" their faves and blame anyone else in the process.
That said, I think the Chloe situation is unique in that, what started as your typical Draco in Leather Pants situation with biased stans being in the wrong, ended with Thomas Astruc making a poor choice too. Maybe I'm off with this, but I don't think Season 4 - 5 was the original intended route for Chloe's character. I think it's pushing it to say she was definitely getting a full redemption arc because Chloe never made that much progress, but I don't think the clownishly villainous Chloe in Seasons 4 - 5 was planned initially. That, to me, felt like an intentional slight at Chloe stans. And yeah, I get why TA is mad at them. Truth be told, Chloe stans are what kept me from joining the Miraculous fandom initially. I remember I logged into Tumblr to look up this cute show I just got into and I found several posts about how Marinette was being unfair to Chloe. It blew my mind. Like full 'Draco in Leather Pants' bias and logic. I blinked, closed my browser and decided I didn't need that in my life.
From what I understand, he also got quite a lot of harassment on Twitter from Chloe stans demanding that he write her the way they felt she should be written. Some writers would have crumbled under pressure and retooled it. More humble writers would have just blocked these people/left Twitter alone and stuck to their original plan. TA decided to take the aggressive route and troll the haters. Which I'm sure feels good for him, but he sacrificed the integrity of his show in the process. And gave Chloe stans a leg to stand on.
I don't agree with them on everything. I don't care to argue about it anymore, but I think a lot of their in-narrative takes around 'Revelation' are full of bias and misplaced blame. That's what my post was based on. But after seeing the leaks, I also can't completely wave their complaints off anymore. I am saving my final judgement there until after I actually see these episodes. Framing is everything.
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Very simplified: antis/puriteens are mental toddler who thinks we need censorship, because childhood friends ship is 'incest and pedo coded', while proship are people who think 'ship what fiction you like, just don't harass people, YKINMK and learnt bo block'. But anti-ending or anti-konoha is still used as 'hate/don't support this thing'.
Well, you see that's kind of my problem, that fandom somewhere decided that there were two factions and they got to be adversarial and fight each other. And talking badly about the other side or talking down to them just gives off the vibe to me that people just want to fight each other and not have a discussion or figure out how we can make fandom better and healthier. Like any argument where one side is right and one is wrong annoys me when it comes to something as nuanced as people's feelings even if it involves something as inconsequential as shipping.
Honestly, I could probably go on about this entire subject for hours and I would probably go on a screed about it to everyone I met if I thought it would do any good lol. No one listens to me though. I like to give people understanding and grace, but ever since I learned about this whole pro/anti shipping thing (which I literally learned like a year ago when Sarah Z made a video on it because as always I'm old. Before that I was so confused I was like there are a lot of ships I like and even more I hate what are you people on about being pro or anti shipping in general????) my feelings have been "literally both of y'all are annoying" lol.
As for saying I'm anti-Konoha though like I don't think that's even accurate. I have no problem with Konoha doing terrible shit for the purpose of a story, my problem is that Kishimoto doesn't acknowledge it and doesn't frame them as bad. I think I could be most accurately described as anti-Kishimoto's framing lol.
Similarly I feel like anti-ending makes it come off like I'm mad about pairings or the epilogue or something when I was mad well basically when the war started because it was boring but more importantly I was mad that Sasuke's character stopped making sense. I think the ending is lowkey hilarious my only issue is Sasuke.
So yeah saying I'm "anti" something I feel like doesn't accurately describe how/why I feel hatred or dislike towards something so I don't feel it's useful to use that term to describe myself.
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I don’t want to offend anyone but I can’t understand why you said Mel is biphobic ? Lindsay never said she’s bi, she said she’s lesbian but imo you definitely don’t fit the Label if you’ve sex with men / are attracted to men unless you feel forced to do so (if anything Lindsay’s comment can actually be hurtful to the Lesbian community because some women fight for the right of being attracted to women only). That’s why I think her sexuality is much more bi than anything else.
I can see your point, but I don't think it's so black and white. But it is complex and there's a lot of nuance needed, so... I kind of rambled? Hope that's okay! Also, it's fiction, so arguing about a fictional character's sexuality has a weird feeling to it.
That said, I called Mel's reaction biphobic because she does freak out that Lindsay was with a man specifically, and I know many bi people were offended by that. But, well, words and labels are--
See, labels are general categories that help us communicate and figure ourselves out, but labels aren't perfect. No word or words can capture every unique experience, and that's just one of the limits of language. This applies to sexuality, gender identity, and a whole host of issues.
For example, there are people who discover their sexuality later in life. Plenty of people grow up in environments where they can't even consider the idea that they might not be straight without associating it with extreme stress/hellfire/whatever, and so shut off that part of them. Later, when they're in a healthier place, they realize "oh shit, I've actually never been sexually attracted to men; I just thought I had to do this, but I never enjoyed sex. I never even knew what sexual attraction was until I met her." (I know people IRL for whom this is their story.) Because they had sex with men earlier in their lives, does that make them not a valid lesbian?
There are also people who wonder "what if" and are curious, only to realize no, actually, that's not really for me. That is fine. Exploration isn't inherently a bad thing. Yes, many people are certain of their identity from the start, but others aren't for various reasons, and that's okay. People often frame equality in binary terms, and while I get why we do that--again, language, aligning with the familiar helps communicate--I don't think it's the be-all-end-all of experience.
Also, then we have gender identity, which is itself divided weirdly and not nearly so binary as we might think. Not even just with nonbinary folks, but with those who identify as women, it's a rainbow! Trans women, intersex women with CAIS or any other syndrome... they don't always fit the binary. Caster Semenya, for example, is an intersex woman athlete married to a woman. I believe she identifies as a lesbian. She is, but then you have TERFs and conservatives arguing that she isn't because x,y,z, hormone levels and blah blah blah, and that's just... awful and unfair. There are plenty of genetic conditions and factors we don't even know about, and diseases that can affect hormones, and more. Does that make you not something you've always been, if suddenly you get Cushing's or your PCOS acts up and hormones go wild?
I just have 0 interest in policing peoples' identities because labels are the best way we have to communicate currently, but they are flawed and limited by language's limits (time periods, scopes, etc.--no word can cover every experience). Whatever someone says they are, if they like, actually mean it and aren't trolling or using it to hurt someone, I'll call them that. It doesn't do me any good to be like "hey, you're not actually what you say you are." So that's why I said that, but I do understand why people call her bi and don't think it's like, inherently wrong or a sign anyone's a bad person!
Do I think that if the show were made today, or if Lindsay was a real human being who was alive today, she might consider herself bisexual? Yeah! I think she well might. I think the show in general doesn't acknowledge bisexuality, and that's a major flaw of it. But insofar as what she identified as on the show, she calls herself a lesbian, so I don't personally care to call her anything else. But again, fiction, so you do you.
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