#what are the jedi if not wizards?

[voidartisan]

I honestly was kind of ambivalent towards star wars until i realized that it's less sci-fi than it is an epic fantasy set in space.

#what are the rebel fighter pilots if not proud and valiant warriors? #what are the ghost and millenium falcon if not noble steeds? #what are the jedi if not wizards? #what are lightsabers if not magic swords? #what is palpatine if not the evil sorcerer? #what are droids if not talking animal companions?

[americankimchi]

wish i knew what to do with this helpless frustration i feel every time i see people vilify the jedi for their way of life when the person doing the vilification doesn't even understand them properly. it's one thing to criticize and dislike them if you have an accurate picture of who they were and what they're trying to do vs. hating them because you straight up don't understand them at all 😭

#personal #this isn't vagueposting i'm just tired of seeing it every time i go in the tags or on youtube or on ao3 #literally if you boil the jedi down to the essentials it's just #''these are psychic empath space wizards wandering around the galaxy trying to establish a higher quality of life for everyone'' #a bunch of aragorns except anduril is a beaming blade of plasma #or gandalf with the ability to do backflips #the only hard rule they have is ''thou shalt not add misery to the world where you can remove it'' #everything else is just interpretations on that theme #''they're cold and unfeeling and they HATED ANAKIN and BAN LOVE'' #like WHERE in the WORLD are you getting this information #WHEREEEEE #SHOW ME YOUR SOURCESSSS #and don't say ''they ban attachments'' without understanding what that MEANS #ATTACHMENTS =/= LOVE #ATTACHMENTS ARE CHAINS THAT YOU USE TO DRAG OTHERS DOWN WITH YOU #YOU KNOW THE SAYING IF YOU LOVE SOMETHING YOU WILL LET IT GO? THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL IT IS. #and where are u getting that they hated anakin do you think he'd be so torn up about betraying them all in ep 3 #if he was surrounded by people who hated him for over a decade like mans was IN TEARS #HE LOVED AND WAS LOVED BY THEM IN TURN #IT JUST WASN'T ENOUGH TO SAVE THEM IN THE END BECAUSE #CRUCIALLY #HIS ATTACHMENT TO PADME DRAGGED HER AND THEM AND EVERYONE ELSE DOWN WITH HIM #stop stripping anakin of his agency he made a CHOICE #star wars is ALL ABOUT CHOICE. THE CHOICE TO FALL IN EP 3. AND THE CHOICE TO RISE AGAIN IN EP 6. #like cmon fellas..... fellas cmon........

[dathomirdumpsterfire]

if it will keep you from setting them off while people are trying to celebrate. ಠ⁠_⁠ಠ

... but of course. ᕙ⁠(͡⁠°⁠‿⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)⁠ᕗ

#i don't know what au it is but it's pure comedy #sith existing openly in senate focused au #it's The Office but with wizards #maul is STILL obsessed with kenobi #they fight to the (near) death once a month #at least #star wars #darth maul #dumpsterfire edits #obi wan kenobi #obimaul #if you squint #star wars misquotes #star wars shitpost #what i mixed my models? too bad can't stop me #i tried to filter the clips to make the scenes match but that DID NAWT work #happy new years #sith #Jedi #new years eve #Coruscant #tcw #clone wars #sw rebels #dumb

[comebackali]

😭😭😭

#what if i died actually #they make me so FUCKING emo #obi wan kenobi #otp: more intimate than lovers #obikin #pt #star wars #sw novels #jedi quest #allie reads jedi quest #jedi quest the moment of truth #the moment of truth #wizard

[un-pearable]

sorry star wars is my new archie sonic

#long sprawling mess of a canon that retcons itself into a glorious mess of worldbuilding and cycles of growth and decay #and then funny guy saves the day ! #so so funny to me that OG star wars (e4 ANH) was just a silly little derivative hero-saves-the-princess story #and then lucas reverse engineered DESTRUCTION OF A GALAXY WIDE SOCIETY BY ONE GUY PLAYING BOTH SIDES OF A WAR THAT COST MILLIONS OF LIVES #from a single line saying ‘i served with your father in the clone wars’ #like a) clone wars as a phrase. without knowing what it means now. fascinating worldbuilding tidbit i wonder where they’re going with it #b) the OG movie handles the force like it’s *genuinely* a rare mysterious thing no one’s ever heard of. jedi really ARE rare wizards like #arthurian legend n shit. and since then that’s been completely changed into a once galaxy spanning religious order that adopt/rescued #children who were different and kept the peace of a galaxy for better of for worse (h. hey you think more kids had to be taken the more #palpatine + his sith rebirth grew in power bc the darkness welling made it more unsafe and harder for an untrained kid to manage -> more li #ely to lash out -> more likely to be kicked out/abandoned/mistreated unrelated anyway) #c) the OG movie presents the empire as terrifying and unstoppable and then the prequels completely recon it as a shadow of its former self #limping along in a mockery of the republic’s splendor with the remnants of their ships and armies with shittier training and shittier soldi #hm. this is not what this post was about . oops #posts from a galaxy far far away

[knife-em0ji]

I’m taking this weekend off to catch up on all the estar guars shows I missed and like. Hey. Was anyone going to tell me that andor is the best Star wars show ever made

#the thing is I think I like Star Wars wrong #the less lightsabers there are the more I like it #just finished the prison break eps and I’m just laying here like. this is what Star Wars is about this is what it could’ve been all the tim #this just cements in my mind how much I hate Dave filoni force mysticism shit #but also it’s very funny thinking that somewhere else in the galaxy while this gritty political thriller is happening #Vader is off somewhere being an evil space wizard committing atrocities #like how funny it is that you think you’re fighting against an evil that is overpowering but ultimately mundane #but actually they have two evil space wizards in the chamber and one of them is the emperor #and your only hope to win was to find another space wizard who was good #if I was a rebel organizer I’d be so fucking mad that it all comes down to who uses space magic most effectively #idk it’s so dumb but this dissonance is what makes Star Wars the best property on the planet imo #is that when you take a step back the world is so expansive the space magic is such a relatively small part #anyway I love star wars bc it has the capacity to simultaneously be so gritty and real but also so fucking stupid #all at the same time #also I love while all this is happening the word Jedi never comes out of any of the older characters’ mouths even once #like they weren’t really all that important to the common galactic citizen were they

[battlekilt]

Rex, boyfriends and husbands are not like Pokémon. You do NOT gotta catch’m all!

He swears he tries to throw them back out. They just keep coming back! Like feral cats!

PS. No, I am not specifying which characters to feature in this husband-harem. I’ll let imaginations fuel the voter, and leave it up to that to answer the “who?”

Bc who isn’t the question. Who isn’t even the answer.

If you want, reblog with some spouse suggestions.

#captain rex #bucket votes #// this is what I use for my first poll? #obirex #rexwalker #// 2 Jedi for 1 Clone sale? #// Cody hates ALL of this #// some how none of this is Rex’s fault #// just the two space wizards #// Ahsoka is howling with laughter at this chaos child

[beskarfrog]

he was definitely not ready for his baby's arrival

#tw pregnancy #of all the people to be looking for reference when I get a baby ad #i love him thematically but he was woefully unprepared to parent a child #and i guess the jedi just skipped any kind of pregancy ed?? #idk what padme was thinking like she must have had some kind of pregnancy education #like girl ik now your unstable wizard husband is worried about the baby #just go to the doctor for goodness sakes

[oflgtfol]

like i dislike obi-wan because i think he's overrated and he's the epitome of pretty white boy that the fandom fixates on and ships him with literally every single character in the entire franchise as a form of the roving slash fandom etc. but then seeing people dislike him because like oh he MISTREATED anakin or whatever it's so annoying like how dare you make me want to defend this bland ass white bread milquetoast man

#whats that one post. like everyone is so determined to blame literally anyone for anakin's fall rather than darth sidious and anakin himself #like can you all shut up about the failings of the jedi and obi-wan etc #there was a fucking evil wizard manipulating this little boy since he was 9 and you wanna cast blame to anyone but said evil wizard #and also anakin himself like idgaf what your master tells you to do. he committed MASS MURDER AND GENOCIDE !!! #hell he did the mass murdering of his own volition no evil wizard manipulation involved in that whatsoever #but oh yeah lets blame obi-wan all because he has like a very normal everyday human mistake of like poor emotional vulnerability #why are you people making me defend this man who i couldnt care less about. gawd #sorry im at the end of the movie right now and the whole obiwan padme anakin confrontation scene got me Contemplating #brot watches star wars

[other-peoples-coats]

I think. Mandalorian view on war crimes tends to vary wildly? I would say uhhh backstabbing tends to be bad, but then I remember the whole ‘combat determined ruler’ thing and challenges have to start somehow. Most of sw tends to have a different idea of war crimes anyway but if you think Mandalore follows the Yavin Code then you’ve got all of one rule, which I’m p sure is you can’t execute people without offering a blindfold, and the YC doesn’t even seem to be treated very seriously by most people? It’s mentioned like once? If there had to be a hard answer I’d say the Star Wars universe generally doesn’t hold war crimes to the same weight we do/have such varying ideas it doesn’t come up much? The Jedi probably have something bc of like sai tok being “frowned upon” (what wookipedia says) but that appears to stem from “what would the sith do” and then noping the fuck out of that, which. If you say is the entire galactic basis of a war crime stuff probably gets very awkward bc A.) Mandalore you know. Worked with those guys. B.) a chunk of current republic space used to be ruled by those guys and C.) at one point, has spent 20 years under those guys in what we know was an information suppressing regime

Oh also if we’re going off the 8 year old thing v the demagolka thing, I could see a mandalorian viewpoint that one scenario is like.,, rightful training/revenge, whereas a demagolka would be doing stuff against the will of the child? Like good parenting could be “take the kid out to fight where they’re surrounded by fam/friends, but not where we’re going to be clearly outnumbered” + To us helping an 8 year old kill people is obviously bad and they can’t really understand quite what they’re doing, but mandalorians probably have a very different view on death and Learning to Murder n stuff. In that vein I also think the mandalorian version of protecting a child is probably, at some level, teaching them stuff like shooting anyway

Yeah! I mean, I think you're kinda bang on, anon; starwars likely doesn't have a set definition of war crimes, at least on a 'We All Agree [x] is Too Far' level; any given group likely does have lines, but I'd assume those very much vary widely. Even the idea of war crimes as we think of it is pretty recent, though there's been some sort of 'you can do [This] in war but [Not That]' from various cultures since ~2000 bc (code of hammurabi, which is where we get 'an eye for an eye' from! that shit is very old); a lot of those older laws are very practical, for a level of practical that includes 'you have to offer the option to surrender (and become your slaves) First, then you can slaughter the shit out of people' and 'Don't go scorched earth (because You could own that once you win)'. A level of morality, in that those things are bad, but also, a very practical level of 'war is expensive, don't fuck up your ability to profit or hold what you take'.

I suspect in star wars there's some things that are horrifying, but mostly a 'oh my god' rather than a 'you can't do that'; there's certainly enough 'and Then We Blew Up A Planet' to show that, while that might be logistically difficult to pull off and existentially horrifying and thus basically only something Evil Shitheads do, it's not actually something star wars has, like, got laws (or even widespread agreement) about; I assume if there was laws at least someone might have, uh, mentioned it, like literally ever. Concord dawn is half a damn planet, surely it would have come up (we don't talk about alderaan; genocidal empires don't usually give a shit about war crimes).

Interesting about the yarvin code; as far as I know, firing squads in real life often use blindfolds for the benefit of the firing squad members, rather than the person being executed. (also like varying ideas of honor/respect/etc; that gets pretty complicated quick and I'm a star wars blog, not a history/anthropology blog). I guess given star wars is much closer to a medieval level of legal vibe, that's probably actually a groundbreaking civil rights law; were it not for the whole 'children's media etc' we'd probably be seeing a lot of breaking on the wheel or other super horrifying Ye Olde Execution Methods.

I assume the Jedi have very much a list of 'these are Unacceptable Tactics', and likely even more pre-rusaan reformation (army of light! god I wonder what chivalry looks like when your knights are space wizards; take the 'local attack tank' of a knight/lord and turn it up to 11), but that's less 'war crimes' and more 'organizational/cultural norms and morality'.

God, thinking about the whole 'used to be a full out sith empire' thing just drives me bananas; the logistics and legal issues in the star wars universe have to be fucking insane.

And yeah, hard agree on the mandos seeing it as a 'this is Good Parenting' vs, y'know, us being like 'uuuuuuuuuuh'. I tend to assume, tbh, that star wars as a whole leans very much on the 'children are Little Adults' concept that, again, you see in very much medieval (and up to the victorian era) times. so you have 14 yr old queens and 8 yr old bounty hunters and 10 year old generals, etc.

Which tracks with the 'doing stuff against the will of the child'; a kid can learn Life Skills (like murder), but experimenting on anyone without their consent is Bad.

#coats chats #mando war crime chatter #look sometimes I have to just. think about how they went 'jedi knights!' and like #ok but how does that function. #like yes the modern jedi are Monks #but when they were lords. like what is the resource breakdown there #one psychic space wizard needs 4x villages of 150 people supporting them in lazer swording evil wizards to death???? #knights are expensive!!! they're so expensive!!! and then you put them in SPACE??????

[maloosh-baloosh64]

lowkey very happy im not the only one who dislike the jedi in star wars holy shit i thought i was losing my mind

#star wars #maloosh rambles #not really sure if its anyhing i wanna dablle in im not really a fandom discourse enjoyer #but i guess i consider myself partially anti jedi #im anti jedi as a government religious instituion #pro jedi as nomadic wizards who try to do what is right #its hard because star wars wildly varies in its ability to have moral nuance and tumblr reading comprehension is dogshit #obviously the stuff sith get up to in star wars is not good either but like i think jedi have capacity for evil too #in a more subtle systemic way

[vampiric-bruce-wayne]

was just watching the mandalorian and din awkwardly just said “may the force be with you” to the new republic ship that was policing the beacon, and the reply he got was “and also with you”

and just-

#sooo are the jedi now Catholic or #this is how amen always sounded to me #it cracks me up that din doesn’t even fully Know what this means #he’s just trying to get by without offending the space wizards so he can fly in peace #din djarin #the mandalorian #star wars #jedi #may the force be with you #grogu #John mulaney #the Catholic Church #aND ALSO WITH YOU #WHAT WHAT #HUH?!?

[boxofbonesfic]

you “don’t write black or PoC readers” because you “don’t know what it’s like to be black or PoC” but y’all have no problem writing wizards, dragons, elves, witches, supersoldiers, mutants, jedi, people from eras you haven’t lived in, monarchs, murderers, and stalkers

but PoC are too far outside of your lived experience?

you can write nuanced and diverse characters from all walks of life, but as soon as they don’t look exactly like you, suddenly that creativity vanishes, and all you have to draw from is stereotypes?

#just say you can’t write and stop the cap

[gffa]

HEADCANON TIME:  Part of the reason Ahsoka took on Sabine as a Jedi Padawan, despite that Sabine isn’t any more Force-sensitive than a baseline “every living thing is part of the Force” is, on some level, because Sabine can never have the Force like a Jedi did.  Because Sabine can never have the Force like Anakin did. Ahsoka refuses to train Grogu, who does have the Force like Anakin did, and she tells Din straight out that she won’t train him because she’s seen what this kind of mindset can do to the best of them. But she agreed to train Sabine because Ahsoka is still dealing with the loss of Anakin, that’s a huge part of what the series is about, that she never put her feelings of guilt to rest, she’s still torn up about what Anakin became, she’s still holding herself at arm’s length from the rest of the galaxy because she’s terrified of all of that happening again. She still pushes Sabine away, but she accepts her back because Sabine can never be a Jedi like the Jedi of the prequels, she can never do more than faintly touch the Force and so she can never be consumed by the dark side the way a level 100 psychic space wizard could.  Jedi had to train all their lives, they had to take that shit absolutely seriously, the Force literally works based on their emotions, if they use it in anger, they’re sliding towards the dark side. Sabine can be angry all she wants and she’s only hurting herself, maybe hurting Ahsoka’s feelings.  Ahsoka cares deeply about her, she knows this can help Sabine, because Jedi methods have always been available to non-Jedi, The Clone Wars showed that from the very beginning when Yoda was teaching the non-Force sensitive Jek, Rhys, and Thire.  The Jedi were never covetous of their teachings, they wanted to share with anyone who wanted to learn. But Sabine can never be a Jedi like Anakin was, she can never have the full brunt of the dark side in her head the way it was in his, she can never be a Jedi like the prequels Jedi.  And that makes it acceptable to Ahsoka, it makes it safe to train her, because Ahsoka is still hedging her bets about truly dedicating herself to a Jedi path.

#lumi.txt #star wars #ahsoka series #ahsoka spoilers #ahsoka tano #sabine wren #jedi order #meta

[rochenn]

Half of the mystique surrounding the Jedi has to come from them simply being calisthenics freaks. What's scarier than a wizard with a laser sword? A wizard with a laser sword who struts their scrawny ass over to the bars and performs multiple one-armed muscle-ups consecutively in perfect form. You do planks. They do planches. You are not the same.

Terrifying

#i was thinking about obi-wan free climbing out of that mortis lava pit and arrived at this lmao #i feel like anyone who does a planche to handstand press and can ALSO do a mile of free climbing could crush my skull with one hand #SCARY