#tubbo crit

[rhiaarrow]

Hello, hello! The Ghostie with the penchant for long rambling walls of text here to give her unwarranted two cents on the current disagreement between the Tubblings and the Crows!

I'm offering my take as a purely unbiased outsider

(Yes, us Ghosties may be married to the Tubblings but when I first joined the Qsmp Fandom I was a Crow and a Crow only, before I died and became a Ghostie. Thus, while I like both qTubbo and qPhil I don't watch either of them often, ergo unbiased :D )

who has no real reason to attempt to villainise or place either character on a pedestal because to put it bluntly, they are not my cubito.

Without further ado I will begin my ramble.

Today's ramble of course comes with the disclaimer that with me not being a qTubbo or qPhil main there may be areas of their character that I'm not aware of since I don't watch every single one of their streams! Feel free to correct me on literally anything you think I've mischaracterized about your main just please be understanding that nothing is done with malicious intent! :)

I'm not attempting to paint either character as a villain in this ramble, I'm just publishing this in hopes to allow each community to understand that neither cubito is perfect and that's okay!

Okay! For anyone missing context; the current disagreement began when Tubblings expressed feeling happy that Chay was able to be a kid around qTubbo as opposed to being serious with qPhil then the Crows reminded the Tubblings that qTubbo is also attributing to Chay's hero complex through him acting as Chay's egg and asking Chay to protect him. Which has caused both sides to instinctively protect their cubito and is causing arguments within their communities.

As a Ghostie who is more than willing to write 1000 words to raise awareness, and is frankly sick of infighting within the QSMP fandom (it's why I left twitter, please don't bring it here 🫠) I figured I'd try to help 'squash the beef' if you will.

Polite discussions about cubito conflict is fine, going for each other's throats over character takes...yeah let's not do that! :D

Firstly, everyone has to recognize that Chayanne has an almost toxic hero complex. He's had it since the beginning of the server and while neither qPhil or qTubbo is doing it on purpose they are BOTH feeding into it!

He has an overwhelming urge to protect others with no regard for his own safety or wellbeing at times. In the beginning it only extended to eggs. As the older sibling he had a sense of responsibility over them, which was cute! But now it's borderline toxic although it's become so normalized as such a core part of Chayanne's character that no one recognizes it's no longer a healthy mindset.

Now Tubblings can make the defense that qTubbo isn't being entirely serious or that he doesn't truly expect Chay to put his life on the line for him but I watched him look Chayanne in the eyes and BLAME HIM FOR NOT PROTECTING 'HIS EGG'.

Even if that was immediately reincarnated qTubbo who was a little fucked up in the head, even if he no longer fully blames him, even if qTubbo was joking at the time, he looked that kid dead in the eyes and told him it was his fault. Tell me again how qTubbo isn't unintentionally feeding his complex?

Yes qTubbo allows Chay a more carefree space away from his overwhelming need to protect his younger sister and a space to be more relaxed.

Yes qTubbo is joking about a lot of things and a lot of the out of pocket shit he says isn't intended to be taken completely seriously.

BUT you cannot fully disagree with the Crows when they say that qTubbo feeds the complex too. BECAUSE HE DOES, JUST NOT ON PURPOSE THE SAME AS qPHIL!

qPhil is so used to his son being the strong warrior that he doesn't realize that that character trait is actively damaging his son's mental state. His attention is divided between Chay and Tallulah and since Tallulah is more open to talking about her issues he often isn't as attentive to Chay.

Is that a bad thing? Yes!

Is it intentional on qPhil's part? No!

Is it something the Crows need to recognize that qPhil does which unintentionally allows his son to continue to struggle with his hero complex? Yes!

qPhil loves his son unconditionally AND qPhil feeds Chayanne's hero complex are two statements that can and do coexist

qTubbo let's Chay be more of a child AND qTubbo feeds Chayanne's hero complex are two statements that can and do coexist

And as long as both the Crows and Tubblings are willing to understand that neither cubito is perfect and THERE'S NO USE FIGHTING OVER PIXELS then we're good!

- Sincerely a Ghostie who just wants to try to bring understanding between the two fandoms by utilizing her rambling skills!

AGAIN, any severe mischaracterization you feel I may have included is unintentional and feel free to correct anything you feel like I'm misconstruing, they're not my main cubitos so there may be somethings that qTubbo or qPhil mains find to be untrue to the source

HOWEVER if you're gonna call me out for mischaracterizing a character simply because I'm bringing up their flaws and you can't accept a character has flaws, kindly fuck right off :D

#qsmp #qsmp analysis #qsmp lore #qsmp tubbo #qsmp philza #philza #tubbo #qsmp chayanne #chayanne the egg #qsmp crit #tubbo crit #philza crit #fandom neg #fandom crit #qsmp fandom #rhia rambles

[whitmore]

classism is never the move, it’s inevitably going to be received in bad taste, as it should be, you cannot openly hate poor people and think everybody should be cool with that, you can’t enable that kind of behaviour and think everybody should be cool with that

#tubbo crit #qsmp #main tag fuck it some of y’all need to hear it #like you have to understand this is a bigger issue #sunny’s whole ‘ew poor people’ thing is in really bad taste #substitute poor for any other marginalized group and see how it sounds #yeah maybe it’ll be curbed in the future but actual real life poor people are allowed to be frustrated at the whole arc rn #plus i’m making this post in the present day not three months from now #i don’t think she’s a bad egg. i do think there needs to be more correction than there is right now #it’s not a cute bit #edit: everybody refers to the community & fandom not the characters in universe #i’ve never been an in-universe analyst ngl it doesn’t sit right w me to remove certain context #i think the tags imply that more but. if u just read the post it could be taken as in universe and that’s not what i’m going for here

[lionheartedmusings]

okay i don't wanna be that bitch bc nothing on the qsmp makes me uncomfortable including the murder, the cannibalism and the damn furry club but... the energy around frubbo specifically by q!tubbo makes me deeply uncomfortable.

#qsmp #tubbo neg #tubbo crit #discourse #qsmp discourse #q!tubbo #extra tags just to be sure bc like the last thing i wanna do is yuck people's yum but the energy there is... uncomfortable #which i know it isn't MEANT to be #but it's hard to watch bc it's one of those “fiction is getting real close to real life experiences people deal with every day” #yeno?

[tsukana]

someone remind me what the definition of spawnkilling is again and how what tubbo just did to sneeg wasnt spawnkilling. genuinely what a thing to tune back into. sneeg relogging and tubbo immediately killing him. what????

#qpurgatory 2 #tubbo neg #tubbo crit #like someone tell me a definition rn im so tired. why is this the first thing i see when i start watching a purg2 pov today #tsu talks

[angelpaperclip]

It makes very little sense to me that Tubbo knows so much about cameras but doesn't know the basics of cinematography. I guess when you're surrounded by content creators you can rely more on feedback than doing your own research, but.

It is a big loss. He's a smart guy with good instincts for visuals, but that lack of knowledge, methinks, stunts him from his full potential. I really hope that's something he looks into in the future.

Edit: .....thinking about it, I wouldn't be surprised if Tubbo knows all the film theory but ignores it because he doesn't want things he makes to have an over-produced feel. Because then expectations get higher. Stakes get higher. And he's just a little guy trying his best. Sigh. That's the kinda anxious guy he is lmao

#tubbo crit #...well it's constructive criticism really #clip.txt

[lacystar]

at this point I have seen so many mcyt controversies through that I am so detached from everything happening but bro when I say that bee duo updates ending their account with "FUCK TUBBO" is the FUNNIEST fucking shit

#(she doesn't really watch tubbo outside of the smp can you tell #mcyt #tubbo #tubbo crit #just to be safe #discourse

[dream-critical]

shit. I didn’t know all this stuff about Tubbo.

Seems to be a parent issue (obviously) bc his 14 year old sister seems to feel the same way. He’s still very young but i hope he educates himself more

i think it's a very white issue. hes white with tory parents ofc hes gonna grow up to be a tory. and like i get it theyre privileged white kids but its so ridiculous to see, especially with his sister too. anyways hope everyone have had a learning experience and the lesson of the day is white people should never be allowed to talk ever.

#him and ranboo should shut up and learn something before they start talking fr like 💀 #anonymous #asks #cyanide.txt #cc critical #tubbo neg #tubbo crit

[afabkaidou]

Video clip

#Discourse #<- ig #Tubbo crit #Tubbo neg #>:/

[journeysfable]

I believe Tubbo will try to be better. I believe he did his research. I don’t believe he’s an awful person.

But some parts of that apology still missed?? Idk how to describe it. Some parts of his apology feel like he missed the point of why people are mad. And it still hurts. And I hope he changes because if not that fucking sucks so much.

#discourse #tubbo crit #tubbo neg

[lmanburg-letter-service]

Dear Tubbo,

You sent me into exile over a country that was already fucked. You traded your best friend for a peace that was never even upheld. You chose A CRATER over me.

And to be honest, I get it. But at the same time, I wish you’d told Dream exactly where he could shove it.

My real “brother” never cared much for me, not really. But you? The brother I chose? I never expected such carelessness from you. After all we went through, you looked at it and decided I wasn’t worth the trouble of fighting for.

Why?

-Theseus

[Letter Sent!]

#to: tubbo #from: tommy #tubbo crit

[qtubbo]

There’s genuinely been such much ableism directed at Tubbo these past few days it’s been hard to deal with, just completely open ableist remarks with /rp at then end or I love ccTubbo but… Constant remarks of him not following social ques, being too loud, having issues with tone, mocking him for having trouble reading the signs, saying that he’s neglecting Sunny because he’s not emotionally aware, ect. It sucks, I don’t like having to see so much of the fandom be openly ableist, why can’t people just be normal able disabled people of any kind. Also saying Tubbo shouldn’t rant about his interests because it ruins your immersion is just horrible and you all know it.

#Qsmp tubbo #tubbo #ableism #tw ableism #qsmp fandom neg #qsmp fandom crit #neg #crit #Discourse #Its mainly coming from one specific community you know who you are

[mikaikaika]

Etoiles is saying that whenever he meets Tubbo he feels old cause Tubbo has a lot of energy and is happy and he also proceeded to say that "Toby is like the sun and I'm the moon" <3333

#Tubbo #Etoiles #That's so sweet #Crit duo #Qsmp French alps meetup

[haloberry]

Me, prayge-ing that just because Slime is back, the fandom doesn’t remove Tubbo from the father category and moves him to something dumb like “older brother” figure to Sunny.

Haven’t seen anyone do it, but the fandom be loving to infantilize Tubbo for no real reason at all, and I if I do see someone do it it’s on sight.

#qsmp #qsmp fandom crit #tubbo #qsmp tubbo #sunnysideup family #like please dont do that Tubbo is Sunny’s main guardian and to move him down to older brother or something is just not right at all

[moontide-nymph]

Tubbo: "....Most deaths? That's what I'm known for on the qsmp? Most deaths? :/ I got over 180 kills in Purgatory..."

🙃 I have words but will not say them

#qsmp crit #tubbo #qsmp tubbo #q!tubbo #qsmp purgatory #tubblings group therapy when #also sunnys admin is right there with us btw

[scheepstep]

I will continue to watch QSMP for as long as Phil, Fit, and Tubbo play on it

By this I mean, with the way things seem to be going, unless things get fixed I'm done with the server if Tubbo, Fit, and Phil stop logging on

I'm a Crow and Huevito (+ occasional Tubbling) before I am a QSMP fan

#qsmp #qsmp crit #philza #fitmc #tubbo

[phatcatphergus]

LOVE putting game mechanics into rp. Phil shot down tubbo saying the eyeballs had no armour but... It's relevent to battle strategy? Plus in rp that means they've been bio buffed to be stronger through possession somehow?

EXACTLYYYYYYY

It genuinely irks me how often Tubbo gets shut down for mentioning very obvious game mechanics that could VERY EASILY BE INCORPORATED!!

The biggest problem I have is when people shut him down from meta-commentary or overall analysis of the lore or game and then say he's fail rp-ing when it's very obvious he isn't in character at that point! Even canon-compliant comments are taken as meta or fail rp just because he's more knowledgable than other people! The armor things absolutely could have been canon-compliant but people would rather call him stupid and a metagame then acknowledge plot holes or go off course from their picture-perfect storyline.

Game mechanics could be so cool incorporated into the lore and the overall storyline but people have such insane standards and expectations for lore and rp and anyone who deviates from their perfect idea of lore is fail rp and a metagamer.

#its literally a video game and should be treated as such #just because hes smart doesnt mean hes fail rp-ing #qsmp tubbo #qsmp fandom crit #anon asks