#cc critical

[dream-critical]

Seeing dream stans turn against Tommy once again is so funny to me. Like it wasn't like Tommy called out dreams grooming, he didn't call out his racism, it wasn't anything serious really. He just rightfully joked about the childish way dream dealt with someone understandable cutting off contact with him and how manipulative and weird his tweets were and now every dream stan on Twitter is just crying about how insensitive and horrible Tommy is. Doesn't he know dream stans got death threats and got doxxed bc of all this??? Which they totally haven't done to others before btw. They're total saints don't you know. Dream stans, all famously known for being good people who stan a good person woah. It's not like they're all racist as fuck towards a man of colour bc he dared to cut off contact with a racist white guy.

#mercury.txt #cc critical #dream critical #dream neg #anywayy. posting this and going away once again

[flamedoesart]

a ramble bc flame needs to chat for a min

i don't get it

i really don't

i already hate dream, but the fact that he had all these insanely fucking talented people on his smp (mind you, this shit doesn't happen often) and has a lightning-in-a-bottle story that spawned over the course of a pandemic and gained so much massive internet fame to a point where it leaked into the real world (remember Trump replying to Quackity? Lil Nas X going on the dsmp?)

and he just. blew it.

like it boggles my mind.

this is the same guy who swore up and down this year that things would be better, that communication would improve, that vol 2 would be a new era for the smp and we'd get constant lore.

vol 2 was meant to begin back in September. no wonder c!wilbur's finale was so rushed.

with all this shit coming out about the finale, it's becoming more and more clear that basically none of the cc's were really consulted about this finale and it appears to have just come up randomly and wasn't planned in advance.

even ignoring the Allegations, this is still such a shit thing to do to your fellow ccs. you would think given how popular the dsmp is and how much it supposedly matters to dream himself, he'd be busting his ass to make sure that every cc is heard, and that if he needed help he'd have a few co-managers to keep track of lore and everything.

BUT NOPE.

instead we got a rushed c!wilbur finale (that is pointless now bc vol 2 is still not out), a damage control, impulse-made c!tommy finale (that shitted on everything c!tommy's story meant) and a syndicate finale that was good, but it could've been Great if the amnesia plot wasn't chucked in.

part of me genuinely believes dsmp doesn't matter to dream outside of money anymore, bc that man hasn't interacted w the lore in good faith in well over a year by now. every time this year he logged on, it was to either do damage control lore, or to help snf piss off fans.

most of the issues trace back to him, bc it just seems Oh So Funny that his character was the central conflict to s4 (or rather, was supposed to be) and yet he fucked off for almost a year. not even c!tommy's plot with c!phil and c!sapnap happened bc they needed dream and woopdy-doo it didn't fucking happen.

and if even tommy couldn't reach dream, why the fuck would anyone else be able to?

what a fucking waste.

#flame talks #dsmp #negativity #critical #dream negativity #cc critical #dsmp critical

[moriphyte]

okay i’m sayin it. as sad as i am to see the dsmp dying in season four it also…isn’t all that surprising? like, that’s kinda what happens when you constantly drop plot lines, retcon canon to make your character look better, throw consistency of any kind out the window, dangle lore over peoples heads, and make fun of your own fans for being interested in the story. not everyone is guilty of this of course, wilbur tommy and quackity have all done an amazing job with their stores and they’re not the only ones, but a large part of the cast basically said fuck it a long time ago and it’s become very clear that most of them are just in it for the money at this point. that is why people leaving and that is why the story is dying.

#dsmp #dream smp #cc critical #p

[sunlitmcgee]

honestly sometimes I feel bad for cc!Tubbo. Imagine having your roleplay husband kill his character out of boredom and have to rewrite your semi happy ending to die in nuclear fire for the sake of reviving the server in a plan that was complete farce the entire time

sometimes I feel bad for ccs for a second, then I remember how I felt in the aftermath of the finale and how long it's taken for me to get to the point where I can somewhat enjoy the lore again and then I kind of. don't. :") that relapse really reworked my feelings towards these people huh

#cc critical #ranboo neg #ask #discourse

[tobi-smp]

so how many of these cc’s complaining about the audience not being receptive to casual lore Really just mean that they want to hang out on the dream smp without thinking about their characters at all.

if your complaint is that the audience expects the things you do to vaguely line up with the character and connections you’ve set up on the server then the problem is not with “casual lore” because that’s Not Casual Lore.

if the existence of your character is the problem then you’re not playing your character, if the existence of your character is a hindrance to what you’re doing then you Shouldn’t be playing that character.

which again, comes back to what I was getting into here: [Link]

there’s nothing wrong with streamers wanting to Just Hang Out With Their Friends, you can’t do strictly lore all the time, especially not now with the [gestures vaguely at everything].

but if what you’re doing is either actively hindered by having to consider your character or actively Works Counter To Your Character then trying to dress it up as “casual lore” is probably the worst option to take.

1: it is perfectly viable to do shenanigans in a way that suits your character. it’s been done for two years, it can be done again. this can Very Much So include things that have nothing to do with plot or lore or characterization. I don’t recall anybody complaining about tubbo being out of character when he transformed half the server into a farm.

however, this option Does require some awareness and understanding of your character, as there are of course things you can do that run directly counter to said character, but even That can be justified if it’s given the space to Be justified. c!tubbo and c!phil weren’t on good terms when they started hanging out together, but they used their mutual connection to c!ranboo and michael_beloved to make it work. and this was integrated into their lore! they were allowed to have casual haha streams hanging out with other characters that they weren’t on good terms with in their lore and made it work by having an Awareness Of said characters.

2: if you can’t or Don’t want to justify what you’re doing through the lens of the character that you’ve already made, then another option is to Make A Different Character. that’s something that immediately signals to the audience what’s going on and cuts out the problem of a streamer’s actions on the server reflecting on their character.

this can be a one-off joke character that never shows up again, or it can be a regular for your out of character shenanigans. whatever suits the needs of the cc.

3: if you absolutely cannot modify your behavior to suit the server, if you want to do things that are directly counter to the character you’ve created and you don’t want to make a side character (or worse, you want to be actively destructive to the rest of the server) then there’s no reason why this has to happen on the dream smp.

this is minecraft, it is perfectly possible to stream on Any Other Server. hell, dream made a different server and connected it To the dream smp by way of portal. there’s a Backup Copy Of The Server made specifically to be used in interesting and destructive ways. if you don’t want to work under the restraints of your character or the restraints of the dream smp’s storyline or the expectations connected with those things then... Don’t? just stream Anywhere Else.

choosing to log on to the dream smp Anyways knowing full well that what you’re doing runs counter to your character Is Not Casual Lore. if you’re not willing to put in the effort to integrate what you’re doing into either your character or the world of the dream smp then there’s no reason to be there Specifically.

the storyline of the dream smp can Only happen on the dream smp, but people can hang out anywhere. getting annoyed with your audience for noticing when what you’re doing on the server runs counter to the character you’ve asked them to care about and bandaging it with Nobody Is Interested In Casual Lore is ridiculous.

#dream smp #cc critical

[carpedzem]

Watched the jm interview and dream was only talked about for the last 15 seconds and the only takeaway is that jm unfollowed him and doesnt want to talk about it further... but i guess you have to clickbait if you have 500 subs🙄🙄🙄can they stop using dreams name for clout fr

anon thats so fucking funny this has to be the cheapest clickbait in history of clickbaits wow thank you for reporting back

#nonny #cc critical

[goatedgreen]

how is it the fault of fans that they got attatched to a story that the ccs worked hard on... i will never understand that

#blaze.babbles #discourse #cc critical

[proudfreakmetarusonniku]

sorry sometimes I just think about how fucking much tommy and Tubbo were sexualised as a “joke” when they were as young as fifteen. i think maybe we shouldn’t normalise that actually. maybe the reason there’s so many creeps in this community is bc saying shit like “sixteen is legal in the uk” and talking repeatedly about a 16 year olds masturbation habits was just something that people were allowed to do. maybe doing behaviour like that as a joke encourages and normalises grooming in an audience of mostly teenagers because those are Literal Grooming Tactics. like do i think they were done intentionally? no. but also it’s still literally showing adults overstepping your boundaries and talking sexually to you when you’re a teenager as fine and funny repeatedly and that hurts kids and attracts predators like flies.

#paedophilia tw #grooming tw #cc critical

[khizuo]

sometimes i really get upset and frustrated with mcytblr's unwillingness to engage critically with their cc's, even the people who say they do. like this is something i'm trying to learn to do better at too it's not like i think i'm perfect at this or anything. but stuff like: uncritically supporting cc's who do unmasked activities or overlooking anti-Indigenous racism in the qsmp isn't okay just because these are your favorite cc's, you guys know that right. I watch these cc's just like you do, I'm not saying i'm better than you, but they're not exempt from criticism especially since most of them don't belong to the most marginalized groups which they hurt with their actions.

#my text #cc critical #discourse #this goes for all of mcytblr. hermitblr empiresblr qsmpblr etc. #mcytblr #fuck it i'm putting this in the main tags

[lucemferto]

The more I'm hearing about the current state of the Dream SMP, the more I just come to realize that one of the big problem the creators are facing - aside from lacking communication, which is by FAR the biggest problem - is just a general lack of vision, cohesion and structure.

Throughout the entirety of the Dream SMP it seems like they never managed to nail down what they wanted to be. A big dramatic, structured series a la Game of Thrones? A collection of individual storylines that sometimes come together for big events a la the MCU? Just some silly Minecraft RP fun with no strings attached?

Dream SMP seemed to be every single one of these at any given time without ever committing to any thing. And you can have these things run parallel in a server, but that still requires a lot of communication and coordination behind the scenes in order to give each preferred "mode" of the SMP room to breathe and develop.

And they apparently just ... never did that. Ever since Wilbur's departure after November 16th, the SMP has just noticeably floundered with finding out its identity.

They floundered with the seasonal structure. Some ccs implied there was one, some were working alongside this seasonal structure and some just seemed completely detached from it.

And this non-committal approach to the SMP led to the big, planned-out storylines dragging, with long lore-draughts because there was no season in a production sense (or writing sense, evidently). They didn't sit down and said: "Here's Season 3, we're doing x, y and z until August."

They just kinda let it drift and stall - which in turn let to a draught in relaxed, casual streams as well, because you don't want to step on any big lore plans and some people aren't even streaming outside of big lore events.

And it led to small creators, which were seemingly added to revitalize the "brand" if you will, to also just left directionless, floundering and ultimately leaving as quickly as they came.

Because there is no "Big Lore" and there's no "Casual Lore" so what's even the point of sticking around if the SMP can't even make up its mind on what it wants from you, the creator.

#dream smp #cc critical #dream smp analysis #dsmp analysis #dsmp #dsmpblr #dreamsmp

[bemtevis]

all of the heavy truths that alastair drops about his childhood are so glossed over that it's jarring. like thomas says in chain of iron that for years he's wanted alastair to tell him what broke his heart and in chot he says he wants help ease the guilt, but there's kind of no response to anytime that alastair does say anything about his past? even in chot, he says all these things about his father, and thomas never says anything back

also i have so many thoughts about cordelia but i literally can't even articulate them because so much went wrong 😭

“who broke your heart and let such bitterness spill out?” was SUCH a good line and the fact it was wasted like should be a cardinal sin I think. thomas' apathy towards alastair's confession is just so frustrating!! alastair deserves kindness, not this bs! my thomas would give that to him, but cc didn't get the memo did she

I don't quite know how to phrase this but thomas' actions seem more driven by his stubborness than a genuine desire to love alastair. I hate it here

#I am kidnapping thomas and getting a bunk bed for us until cc learns how to behave #chot spoilers #chain of thorns #tlh critical #cc critical #ask to tag

[dream-critical]

Dream genuinely being upset about it and liking tweets talking about how horrible Tommy is just making all of this even funnier. Yeah bro you're fucking ridiculous and everyone thinks you're a joke what's new lmao

#i refuse to call them posts its on Twitter and they're tweets fuck off #mercury.txt #cc critical #dream critical #dream neg

[doodlebloo]

I wanna hear more about the dsmp lack of rp etiquette cause I’m not that knowledgeable on the subject

Well I'm not the best to ask about it, but here's what I remember happening, this is all from memory so if I am mistaken about some of this I apologize.

Essentially Sapnap and George have been logging on to destroy other people's stuff for a while now. The entire Saving Michael plotline started because George, Sapnap and some others logged on while cc!beeduo were not only offline, but were live doing an IRL stream at a bowling alley (or something), so they literally could not have logged on if they tried. They broke into c!Tubbo's house and found Michael (none of these characters except c!Foolish would have known about Michael's existence, and none of them would have any reason to want to hurt him.) They started joking about killing him, they threw eggs at him which obviously aggro'd him, he ran at George who had thorns on his armor that hurt Michael, they ran out before Michael could die from thorns. Sapnap announced they were gonna go play Bedwars and whoever won would get to kill Michael. While they logged out, Eret put Michael in a boat and took him somewhere safe to hide him. All of this was streamed live from multiple povs, people on beeduo's stream started spamming them about it and iirc Ranboo said he sent a message in the discord about it but I am not 100% sure about that. The entire Saving Michael plotline spawned from this, except c!Sapnap and c!George have NEVER had the fact that they tried to kill a toddler brought up for their characters - because it wouldn't make sense, of course. The consequence? C!Tubbo's son went missing, and for reasons unexplained, he didn't notice, so now c!Tubbo looks bad. Well then c!Sam took Michael as collateral, and during THAT point in time, George and Sapnap took Michael (again, while people were offline,) and replaced him with a fake Michael, killed the fake, announced that if their "demands" weren't met they'd kill the real Michael, and as far as I remember they reacted pretty rudely to Eret's discord messages asking where Michael was, even reading the message out onstream. As far as I know, neither c!George or c!Sapnap have ever had this brought up for their characters again. I'm pretty sure the real Michael ended up dying somewhere along the way, as he used to have a sword but now he doesnt. There's always a chance that Michael died on someone else's watch and it wasn't their fault, but the fact that people were playing hot potato with other characters' very important mob in the first place sucks. And now they've released c!Tommy's spider, Shroud, (you guessed it) while Tommy was offline. And the worst part to me is that they've made a copy of the server to grief before, so them greifing the actual server just shows how little they care. There are probs more examples of piss poor RP etiquette but this is the one that makes me angriest. This is all from my memory of the events, so if I got something wrong I sincerely apologize.

#asks #anon #discourse #negativity #cc critical

[griancraft]

Tbh I wish the dsmp members did sessions like the hermits do. Even if it was like once a month it would just make things go smoother? And I think people would be more interested long term. But god forbid they plan lol

#discourse #cc critical #I love them all but god damn do they need to plan

[sunlitmcgee]

this is the last thing I'll make about this shit

#discourse #cc critical #ask to tag #this is a general umbrella thing that applies to all of them #yesterday just Reminded me of how annoying and stupid it is

[tobi-smp]

MAN

it just hit me, c!bad’s prime path conflict with tommy shouldn’t have been framed as stemming from the egg, it should’ve been implied that bad was talking to dream.

think about it:

1: we had the set up during the prison arc with dream manipulating bad Before his torture started. dream’s edited lore video told us that this culminated in bad helping dream behind the scenes, aiding in his escape and possibly in causing tommy’s death (though I doubt he was aware of what it was actually For). and bad brought Back this sympathetic edge during his confrontation with sam after dream’s escape, implying that he suspected something about the torture as well.

2: this would tie into what dream was Already setting up. first with the promise to tommy during the logsted chase that nobody would believe tommy anymore, that they’d think he’s Crazy because nobody would consider dream capable of what he was actually doing to him. and Second with dream conditioning/abusing sam into reframing dream and tommy’s relationship (Among Other Things), with dream trying soften his intentions and make what he did seem more reasonable.

3: this would give that Much Needed feeling that dream is moving pieces behind the board, not unlike the vibes of the early prison arc (before the long stretches of nothing happened that set in late season three that’ve plagued the entirety of season four). it’s Already been implied that bad is working closely with dream, or at least Was at some point, so giving this feeling of momentum for the plot wouldn’t be pushing much further, because we should Already be given some connection between bad and dream in the future.

4: it reframes not only bad’s actions but the things he Said. bad pulling out the victim blaming for what amounts to trash talk that’s never going anywhere feels awful because it’s picking at a serious concept in a way that doesn’t recognize the severity of it, there Will be no follow through. but here it’d be given a Purpose. it’d imply that they knew Exactly how alarming it is to hear, with it being a clear sign that whatever dream’s doing behind the scenes right now is Working. it’d have been Exciting rather than disappointing or uncomfortable (or, uncomfortable for the Right Reasons at least).

5: bad changing the prime path to cut tommy off from it would be so cool to see reframed in this context. bad Genuinely having wanted to do something nice while dream was manipulating him behind the scenes to try to isolate tommy more, both for the mental warfare aspect and because it’s help keep tommy Physically distant from help would be Chilling.

6: it gives this actual stakes and consequences, which isn’t necessary for All conflicts but is Desperately what season four needs. I want characters to do things that matter in the long run on purpose

#dream smp #badboyhalo #tommyinnit #dreamwastaken #meta #cc critical #there's not actually anything said to criticize anybody directly #but I suppose it's implied if you read between the lines