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the-viking-goddess · 8 months
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This is super salty re: the 'New Jedi Order' film, so be warned. I have tried my absolute ALL to avoid even thinking about this announced forthcoming film and am desperately trying to pretend it doesn't exist with every fiber of my being. However, I've been letting in my TROS grief and anger a little bit recently (I mostly keep it boxed away but every now and then I have to let myself feel it a little bit) and it unfortunately got me thinking about this new film. And you know what? I hope it fucking bombs. I hope it is diabolical and crashes and burns at the box office. I don't have anything against Daisy Ridley or the potential team involved (the creative team) but I fucking despise DLF for what they did/allowed to happen with TROS and most specifically Ben Solo and the Skywalkers and I want them to SUFFER as much as possible for it. I want it to be obvious to them after this film loses eye-watering sums of money that killing Ben and just the absolute travesty of TROS was a mistake they can't sweep under the rug or come back from, not in this timeline with these same characters. I want the film to do terribly because, surprise, no Ben, no Skywalkers and the annihilation of Rey's character into a flat, empty OP superhero-cutout who stole Ben's life and identity is not an interesting character to build a new film around.
But of course, life isn't fair and I'm sure this film will make bank and a shit ton of people will see it because it's SW. But I can still HOPE. I mean hope is what it's all about, right? I hope this film is a travesty and is torn to pieces by everyone in every way possible.
And like... I'm trying to be mean and peppy and zingy about this and I meant it, but genuinely the idea that they'll make a new film off the back of TROS without Ben and after every knife in the heart that film delivered... and make money and do well? It actually makes me feel broken. It breaks my heart to think of a new film with 'Rey Skywalker' happily teaching kids with uncle Finn popping in (and ye gods if she has moved on romantically I will kill someone) like Ben never existed and the Skywalkers, Han and Leia didn't all suffer and die for nothing. It makes me FERAL with anger that the films and characters I loved are going to be desecrated even worse than before and this film will be a dance on the grave of everything that TFA and TLJ was.
Anywayyyyy, that's my rant and now I'm going back to trying to pretend it doesn't exist.
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allgirlsareprincesses · 2 months
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The kindest thing you can do on Tumblr is tag your negativity.
I genuinely think it's fine to talk about the fandom stuff you just can't stand, but giving people a heads up and a chance to filter it out is great.
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emperorren · 1 year
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I will never forgive JJ for coming up with the idea of a renegade stormtrooper, casting a black actor for the role, and then going out of his way to do less than nothing with the character whenever he was in charge. It's even more infuriating that RJ gets all the heat for this (including from me until I wised up) when he at least tried, however weakly, to do *something* with him.
Finn's arc was basically served on a silver plate, and yet they screwed up. JJ loosely set it up, then proceeded to do nothing with him other than following a very basic "escapes the death star and gleefully joins the good guys" arc, occasionally having him as comic relief (which would not be a problem per se, but *is* a problem since it doesn't remotely address how Finn could be a funny outgoing guy despite growing up as a child soldier; but that's another issue). Rian tried to do something with him, but yeah - kind of weakly, as objectively his and Rose's subplot was never meant to be the focus of the movie or steal the scene from the main force plot.
And then JJ came back in, and - what the fuck was that? Seriously what did Finn even do in TROS? Other than following Rey around? JJ was so concerned with putting the trio together than he completely forgot those three were never a trio to begin with, but three individual characters, each with their own stuff to do, and FINN had his own established connections (Rose, Poe), his own big bad (Hux), and his own purpose (leading a stormtrooper rebellion + supporting the text that the idea of stormtroopers being irredeemable sub-human brainwashed cannon fodder is TRASH, and no, the point is that there aren't occasional good apples like him and the other rebels because the Force blessed them, but that every stormtrooper is STILL HUMAN, and each and everyone of them can be virtually DEPROGRAMMED and FREED)
and like there were faint shadows of that concept here and there but they were so haphazardly done in a haste to retcon everything related to Rose and Rian's work and please the fanbros by giving Finn random Force sensitivity, introducing a new character to be basically Rose 2.0 and giving her Finn's plot and mission AND STILL DOING NOTHING WITH IT ANYWAY, what a mess
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Varitey named Duel of the Fates as one of best movies never made
Variety needs better taste ❤️
Joking aside though, while Duel of the Fates had some plot and character points I would've preferred to see in TRoS, they're all such unbelievably obvious things to include that it feels like cheating to give that script credit for them. They're just part of basic competency at writing. And their value is overshadowed by some truly horrendous choices.
Like Finn and the stormtrooper rebellion. Of course it's a good thing DotF had that! It is the obvious conclusion to Finn's character arc. TFA gives him his independence and TLJ gives him his motivation and authority, the skills he needs to lead the rest of the stormtroopers against the machine they grew up in. It's just so blatant that that's where his story was going, to the point that it doesn't make sense to create a character with his backstory if that's *not* the story you wanted to tell. Why would you include a character breaking free from the programming they'd be subject to if you're not going to see them help free the others stuck in the same trap they were??? So yes, it's good DotF includes that, but it's less a point in favor of that script and an indictment of TRoS's complete failure to do anything meaningful with the developed character arcs it was served on a golden platter.
Or Hux as the villain to rise in Snoke's wake. Hux's entire character in TFA/TLJ is wanting power and control over others and resenting those in his way. That's it. Once Snoke is removed as an obstacle and he sees Kylo's weakness, of course he'd see the chance to take the power he craves and assert his dominance over the galaxy?? That's just following the path that's already been paved for you. It's so obvious that TRoS had to invent a totally new character, not to mention Kylo’s whole governing council, for it to make any sense that he wouldn't be taking what he feels he deserves. Which is just lazy and cheating when it comes to the final film of a trilogy. DotF does use this obvious set up, but then takes such utterly bizarre strides like Hux's Force envy or, most awfully, his suicide when "he lost the Star Wars". This is a children's film being released for Christmas!!!! Just writing that scene for the finale of this story should've been enough to utterly disqualify Colin for ever writing for the franchise.
And then there's all the other terrible and nonsensical things about DotF, like everything about Kylo’s arc, or the weird forced Rey/Poe to fulfill Colin's weird self insert fantasies. The only people who think this script would ever have been filmed or acceptable for its role in the Skywalker saga are weird reddit bros who want Star Wars to be more "gritty" because they can't accept that their childhood stories are meant for children, so that those kids can grow up with them the way they did, and not to cater to them as adults who want more violence in films. TRoS was a failure as well, but at least it didn't include on screen suicide and public executions ffs. I can't say I'm glad we got TRoS instead of DotF, but I am glad we didn't get DotF.
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hegodamask · 2 years
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rewatching palpatine’s scenes in tros incident leaves 12 dead and 16 injured.
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vibinglikethat · 2 years
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an essay in which i rant about the rise of skywalker
im not an overly critical person, especially when it comes to my faves, and i do understand the importance of constructive criticism. i generally prefer just liking the things that i like; which isn't to say ppl who are more critical than me aren't capable of liking things! like obviously ppl can like things however they wish to, whether that's with a critical eye or not. thats perfectly valid. my point is im simply not that kind of person. 
THAT BEING SAID... I love Star Wars, I love it a lot, it means so much to me and generally i dont really talk about its flaws and criticisms bc like i said im not super critical, but the fact of the matter is....the sequel trilogy absolutely sucked. it had potential but it didnt live up to it.  it had some good moments ofc, but after the first movie, it just kept getting worse. 
the rise of skywalker SPECIFICALLY ruined the sequel trilogy for me. i didnt mind the last jedi that much. but the LAST movie in the skywalker saga....oh man it fucking bombed.  
ive been playing the rise of skywalker chapter in the lego star wars the skywalker saga video game so thats why ive been thinking about TROS lately and how much it fucking sucked lol  
when i saw it in theaters (last time i was in the theater before the pandemic hit btw lol) i liked it but ive long since had time to think it over and yeah. it's not a good movie. and the fact that i’m saying that??? it really wasnt a good movie lol  
my biggest issue is palpatine returning somehow. i still dont get it. ive eventually accepted darth maul's return bc whatever it's star wars but palpatine somehow living this whole time is ????? tbh it felt like a cheap move on the writers part. like omfg why??? 
why the fuck would you bring back palpatine it's so fucking lazy like you couldnt think of a better villain??? ALSO THE FACT THAT REY IS RELATED TO PALPATINE IS SUCH COMPLETE BULLSHIT I FUCKING HATE IT LIKE PPL JOKED ABOUT HER BEING A PALPATINE AND IT ENDED UP BEING TRUE????? WTF  
like what the FUCK???? it's bad enough you brought back palpatine but you had to make him rey's GRANDFATHER which implies palpatine somehow had sex when he was like. struggling bc he SOMEHOW SURVIVED????????????? MAKE IT MAKE FUCKING SENSE 
so much bullshit........and also finn and rose tico deserved WAY better. finn and poe and rey deserved better. everyone except for palpatine deserved better. yes even fucking kylo ren. i hate him but he deserved better than whatever characterization he got.  
the fucking kiss was so unnecessary too like what the fuck. the rise of skywalker is the WORST star wars movie. thanks for coming to my ted talk
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pacificwanderer · 1 year
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Soooooo what are your thoughts on the Rey film?
Hey Nonnie,
I have a lot of feelings LOL. None of my ire is directed at you, and I'm trying not to get too worked up given that we know who the director will be and that Daisy will be in it (everything is meant in a general sense, and it's just my feelings on the matter so whatever). Also, given their track record with directors and writers.... we'll see how it all ends up going!
As far as story, well...
So this is such a coincidence, given that I just saw Su//zume and was thinking that if anything that follows up TRoS ISN'T at least thematically similar to that movie, I don't want it. It still holds.
This is my interpretation, and if others don't agree. That's fine. I'm not really looking to argue with anyone or win anyone over lol. People are allowed to have different interpretations of media, but for me, TRoS didn't work. Both as a fan of the ST and as a lifelong fan of SW. And I don't know how they plan on moving forward with that fucking albatross weighing them down! I really don't!
My problem was and remains that TRoS IS NOT REY'S STORY or really any of the ST characters, it's all focused on the past and that's not a great way to build a point to go forward from. Hell, it's not really even a story so much as characters moving from one set piece to another in an effort to disguise how it's a movie that's basically serving one purpose: address and make up for prior criticism (mostly from re//ddit and prolific you//tubers).
I could go point by point about how that film was set up to make up for "disappointing" certain fans with how TLJ went, but I don't have the time rn for that (I have a lot of work to do in the next few days and not much time, but here i am on tumblr lol). I'm sure it's been done to death, anyway, but people far more eloquent than I.
That film is and was and ever will be is a reactionary film that was made to be an answer to very specific criticism from a very specific subset of the fandom, and it failed. Not only to address their criticisms but to stand on its own as a film. That story takes Rey, takes her character and her story, and reskins her to be Luke 2.0.
But they didn't want that. Those fans didn't want her to be a stand-in for Luke. They didn't want her to symbolically be a Sky//walker, they wanted her to BE one via BIRTH (Luke's daughter or whatever). What we got was insulting to those fans and to fans of TLJ. It's one of the more blatant examples of pandering that I can think of (even if it's badly done), and I really don't know if I'm ever gonna get over it entirely lol. Like I've mostly moved on because there are storytellers out there busting their ass telling stories that deserve to be told, so I have other things to focus on.
Rey's story needs to be her own, and I don't know how they're going to accomplish that given what's happened in TRoS. She's not her own character anymore. She's just... a vessel. Fuck I hate that. I hate saying that! I HATE IT! But that comes from the creators themselves! I love Rey! I wouldn't have written like three-quarters of a million words of fanfic about her world otherwise! AND THEY DID NOT. AND IT SHOWS.
And it's personally offensive to me that they took a character that I loved THE WAY SHE WAS and tried to make her fit for people who were committed to hating her from the start!!!! How dare they! And not just her, but what they did with the rest of the ST characters makes me so fucking angry i have a hard time being chill about it lol.
Anyway, I have some reservations about their ability to craft a tale that's going to honor her character and not just be some sort of way for Luke to jump in and take over the narrative again. As he's done before and will do again (hi there, man//do, nice luke you got there for no fucking reason).
Anyway, I very much try to keep to my own corner of the fandom because I just don't have the energy for much these days, so I'm sure other people have different feelings about it all. I hope it goes well! I doubt it will! Like Andor was great, but Tony is a great storyteller, and I don't think the person they've tacked on to finish the Rey script is capable of doing her justice (sorry bro, PB is good, but it's tragic, do I want that for Rey??? no).
Storytelling should be the first and foremost thing they're focusing on, and... I don't really trust them in that regard anymore. The SW ip is too all over the place, and there's a certain note of cynicism that just seems to infect everything these days. I'm fucking tired of the american monomyth, i'm tired of campbell redux (with no deeper thought or criticism of the aforementioned, just shallow retelling to tick of fucking plot points and NOTHING MORE).
It just... feels like they're trying to find their way without really thinking about what got them to this point. I hope it doesn't suck, but if it does, then there's always fanfic.
PERSONALLY idgaf about rebuilding the gd jedi temple, so i hope THAT changes because it's been done and they fucked up REPEATEDLY like how many movies do we really need of that!!!?? God, there's a whole wide sw universe out there, and they make it feel so small.
So fucking small. What a waste.
TLDR:
Anyway! Hope it works out for anyone who's interested. If anyone's really interested in how I'd like a post-tros narrative to go, please go see su//zume. i fucking adore it to bits and pieces.
Cheers, Nonne!
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sodalite-lite · 10 months
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Some silly doodles + a cropping of one because I think it's actually good.
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the-hawks-rye · 1 year
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i know it's been said a gazillion times and said more eloquently than me but god the amount of missed potential in the sequel trilogy. thinking about how anakin became a villain because he felt he had no other choice (and the tragedy being that he always had a choice, and his character arc concluding with him deciding to stand up for what's right by saving luke), meanwhile kylo grew up surrounded by a loving family full of positive role models and chose evil knowingly because he craved power for power's sake. kylo idolizing the tragic figure of darth vader all the while burning the world around him. there was so much you could do with that but instead they had to sacrifice rey's character to make the movies about her fixing the genocidal white boy who never wanted to be saved
#rereading tfa junior novel...#tfa wasn't perfect but it really did set up a lot of interesting stuff! that never got proper attention (if it did at all)!#mitch rambles#sw#sw negativity#and of course the nature vs nurture with kylo vs finn. why the hell did they never get a rematch after tfa. like that would have so good#having finn now on solid footing knowing that this (the fate of the galaxy) is worth fighting for and his now realized self#kicking kylo's pathetic ass into the next galaxy#also why tf did rey get force healing in tros when finn was ren's (characterized by destruction) narrative foil#like i know it's sidelining finn bc racism and making rey super special and powerful in lieu of actual characterization & bc they didn't#actually care about the story they were telling but y'know. 'why' best conveys my bafflement with the thematic flops situation#anyway back to kylo. u could have him tentatively going lightside-ish at the end of the final movie bc star wars redemption themes and all#but you'd have to have him very very very clearly giving up power (or accepting a forced loss of it) for it to work! like themes 101 people#like 'oh i did a bad thing by killing my dad :(' cool but are we gonna address the root cause of why you did that? (or your other crimes)#it's bc he was representative of how morals still had some power over you and u hated that because u need to be stronger than anything else#i don't think any of this ground-shaking breakthroughs like your room full of writers couldn't work out any of that. does nobody know what#a theme is? people were payed big money to make those movies??? (this is not about set/sound/costuming/etc you did great)#*sigh*#store wore posting
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the-viking-goddess · 1 year
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Fucking hell, just heard about the New Jedi Order film that's been announced. 15 years after TROS, starring Rey. I guess they just had to find another way to spit on Ben's grave, huh? More salt in the wound, another gut punch. I actually feel kind of sick... it's brought back bad memories of everything TROS related.
And I mean, I'm sorry but who TF will go and watch this? There'll always be some GA folks who'll see anything SW related but the consensus on TROS and the trilogy is that the former was a dumpster fire and a lot of people think the whole ST was a dumpster fire, so who are they pleasing here? Rey was nor many people's favourite character, and I say that as someone who loved Rey in TFA and TLJ. She was a cardboard cutout in TROS, they ruined her, and without Ben the heart has been ripped out of this story. This just sounds like absolute nightmare fuel...
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Tw / TROS/Star Wars negativity
I think the worst thing tros did to me was kill my enthusiasm over any piece of media, especially star wars. I'm seeing all these posts praising Andor and, although I believe it's probably a good show, I just can't bring myself to watch it because... I don't know, this whole story ends in a very weird place? Why bother?
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userpoe · 2 years
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and ooooff twitter i go oh my stars people are so pressed that there’s a story about them lmfao
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endorablerey · 2 years
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cannot believe they reduced rey’s character to fit the narrative of the villain’s redemption cannot believe they sidelined finn poe and rose so bad cannot believe every member of the OG trio died cannot believe they brought palpatine back cannot believe we got no rational explanation abt snoke or the resistance or the first order cannot believe they didn’t plan out three movies AHEAD OF TIME
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rozs-tros-saltmine · 1 year
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I'm still too much of a chicken shit to admit I don't like rey anymore like at all on my main
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neonvqmpire · 2 years
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i think i lost my soul when seeing tros in the cinema. it hasn't returned since. i am now ghost. bye
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*enables you* what happened with TLJ 👃
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After all these years I still can't properly find words to explain how deeply betrayed I felt after the credits rolled and I shuffled out of the movie theater with everybody else. There was a TON of hype surrounding this movie, an absolute fuckton. I only saw positive reviews about it, the cast, the director, the plot. I got excited to see where Rian Johnson & Co. would take the ST.
The only remotely negative comment I saw before watching the movie was a fandom blog saying they didn't like what happened to Poe. Since this blog was about racism in fandom, I knew something was off. That was my only warning.
And y'know, it was like, five minutes in? Ten minutes? And Poe makes a "Yo mama" joke at Hux? I used to go into movies with an open mind and spent days gathering my thoughts about them because I was always slow to react, slow to gather my thoughts into coherent strings of words. It's how I enjoyed Michael Bay productions and JJ Abrams' love affair with lens flare. I never got actively angry with a movie I was watching, and I was fucking angry by the time the movie ended. I still remember texting a friend while standing out in front of the theater because I was so confused. The response to TLJ was so positive so why did I come out of the movie so frustrated and confused and dissatisfied with the whole thing?
It's been years and we all know how this movie divided the Star Wars fandom and just... broke Fandom Spaces in a way I never expected. We all know what TLJ did and didn't do, and how TROS provided the final nail in the coffin that was the ST experiment. But back then, all I saw was positive commentary about the themes and messages of TLJ, how it portrayed failure and the dangers of putting someone like Luke Skywalker on a pedestal, how the Force was female, how... important it was to see Poe get characterized as a hotheaded hotshot who needed to be demoted, slapped around, and stunned in order to learn some kind of lesson, how important it was to see Finn lose everything he gained in TFA so that he could relearn how not to be selfish or something while starring in a fucking incredibly tone-deaf B plot, how Rey... I'm not sure exactly what because she didn't need training anyway and then spent most of her time trying to bring Ben Swolo back to the light????? Rose was so promising as someone who grew up under the FO's thumb but she and Kelly were fucking abandoned by Disney so I don't know if Rose existing was actually a good idea if it meant giving Kelly unending trauma. Mark slipped up by calling Luke "Jake" and expressing his displeasure in front of cameras, and I was so fucking baffled and alienated by his character after knowing how his story ended in ROTJ that I couldn't connect with whatever lessons I and he are supposed to be learning. JJ set up Snoke like a mystery box and Rian just yeeted him off without so much as a fucking explanation so what was the point of that? Hux was a fucking joke. Phasma was barely there. The only character that Rian cared about was fucking Kylo Ren and Adam says years later that he was never supposed to get a redemption arc anyway.
Like, this was the movie everyone hyped up? This was the movie that didn't answer any questions left unasked by TFA and didn't bother to move forward with character development for any of the known characters? I spent money watching a slow space chase that ended on a planet made of salt and killed off Luke for Reasons? Am I stupid? Am I dumb? Am I a peasant incapable of understanding the masterpiece Rian directed, this so-called Best Star Wars Movie Since ESB?
But I couldn't say anything. I couldn't be dogpiled for hating such a empowering movie for women, a diverse and inclusive movie that had the likes of John and Kelly and Oscar. I couldn't be lumped in with the Star Wars dudebros with their raging misogynistic and racist takes on the movie, the cast, Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm, Disney, etc. I couldn't be seen as one of them just because I didn't like a movie that I should like, I'm supposed to like. So I sat in silence, read meta, witnessed the fucking catastrophic explosion around some wild ass AO3 fandom essays written by a racist OG member of OTW about Finn/Poe, saw hate piled on black and bipoc fans, saw r*ylo fans come for John and John clap back at them, just saw an absolute fuckton of hate, and so by the time TROS came around I just... checked out. There was no way JJ could salvage what Rian had done and I was right. TROS was a corporate-run soulless garbage end to the Sequel Trilogy, but it ended just as The Mandalorian finished its first season and regained a lot of good will with this small story about a lonely Mandalorian bounty hunter who encountered a Force-sensitive Baby Yoda.
And then TBOBF/Season 3 of the Mando Show happened, just like how TLJ happened. All the promise, all the unanswered questions of the previous movie/season, all fucking dropped or provided with the worst, most unsatisfying answer. I'm sure others have found better answers and can live with what Star Wars gave us, but I haven't been able to. TLJ came out years and years ago, and I am still so bitter today. I'm still so bitter because TFA had such an incredibly compelling setup with such promising characters, and then TLJ Did That.
I got so heated while writing this. I'm still so mad. I'm still so bitter. I bury my head so deep in the sandbox I built for myself so that I don't have to think how Disney is twisting and contorting all these Mando'verse shows so that they all eventually lead to the ST, their precious hot potato child that just... didn't have to end the way they did if they actually had a fucking plan and fucking stuck the landing. I'll give the MCU this - their Phase 1? They fucking stuck the landing. I fell off the train tracks and haven't really watched the MCU since Captain Marvel, but at least they had a fucking plan and didn't fucking derail themselves like Disney did with the Sequel Trilogy.
I could be nice to people who like this movie but I'm not going to be. They can be nice on their own blogs.
Man, I can't even watch Knives Out or Glass Onion because my blood starts boiling. Just. TLJ did a lot to ruin what I hoped would be a positive and creative connection with Star Wars, and it took the Mando Show and the 2 minutes where Din and Luke locked eyes on the Imperial light cruiser to bring me back.
I'm gonna stop before I get way too heated for sleep.
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