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tljisthegoat · 5 months
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The tragedy of Reylo is knowing how we almost got a Happily Ever After for Star Wars that would usher in a new era for the franchise, but had it ripped away from us. Just like Rey, we all lost something that gave us endless joy, comfort excitement, etc. Something that was going to be so meaningful for both the characters & the audience.
And what did we lose all that for? Nothing NOTHING could justify this betrayal.
The fact that anytime I think of Reylo, I feel such intense longing. Disney better figure out how to save Star Wars cause Reylos have already figured out how to resuscitate this tragic mess of a franchise.
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artist-issues · 2 months
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Hello! My ask is about The Rise Of Skywalker. I would like to read your analysis of Reylo's scenes such as their dialogues in the film, Rey's declaration to Ben ("I did want to take your hand. Ben's hand."), Ben's return to the light side and the reylo kiss. The declaration, Ben's return and the kiss, for me, are the only good things about this film.
I thought all of the Rise of Skywalker was really terrible. Terrible writing, terrible plot, and even some pretty terrible characterizations. (I thought the actors did their best, though.)
Basically, ROS had several threads that TLJ and TFA had braided together. All it needed to do was tie those threads off. But instead, it unraveled them and tangled them up and said “done! All tied up!”
For example:
Thread 1: Finn’s journey from fear to faith.
Thread 2: Leia’s hope for her son.
Thread 3: Poe’s journey from hero to leader.
Thread 4: Hux’s growing, rabid desire for control. (It’s why the organization’s called the First “ORDER”)
Thread 5: Kylo Ren’s learning that power won’t make him feel secure.
Thread 6: Rey’s learning that she doesn’t need to be “somebody” because it’s all about something bigger than herself.
Thread 7: Kylo Ren and Rey learning their respective lessons by finding the answers in each other.
TLJ took what TFA started and got you those threads. Then TROS said “never mind, we don’t like those threads” with most of them. For example, Poe and Finn suddenly have nothing to do. For example, Finn is not doing anything that requires the faith he began building at the end of TLJ; he’s just following Rey around. Poe is not learning how to lead, he’s just info-dumping and trying quick three-man hero missions, unlike the lesson he learned at the end of TLJ. Hux is not strategizing with rabid extremism for control; he’s just pettily throwing his life away to get back at Kylo Ren. Et Cetera. The threads all get unraveled or tangled up or left dangling uselessly.
EXCEPT for Thread 7.
They make an attempt at “Kylo Ren and Rey learning their respective lessons by deepening their bond.” The problem is, without the other threads, that one just doesn’t fit any better than the rest of the story.
First off, I 100% agree that Kylo Ren and Rey would be involved romantically, in some way, eventually. There’s literally no way around it. Romantic attachment is choosing to commit to someone on an intimate level. Because they’re Force Bonded, and because they are the only people in the universe who have similar identity crises and deep family-related angst, they were bound to intimately understand each other. They started caring about each other in TLJ. All TROS had to do was fan the flames of that care up in a way that led to their character developments concluding.
Rey just needed to demonstrate more of the letting-go she demonstrated at the end of TLJ: she wants Kylo Ren to be Light, but she realizes there’s nothing she can do to force it, even if she begs and pleads, so she just keeps doing the right thing on her end and trusts the Force, believing he’ll come to the right conclusion in the end no matter how much evil he’s done. What’s that ladies and gentlemen? It’s called ✨ unconditional love. ✨
Then Kylo Ren just needed to see that love. Literally, just see and continuously experience it. Even if he’s trying to hunt her down and kill her or take everything from her or whatever, she just keeps refusing to kill him and believing he’ll turn good. After all, that’s more than his parents did for him back when they sent him away—and since then, whatever unconditional love Rey shows him is strengthened by the examples of unconditional love Han Solo and Luke showed right before they died. Plus the alternative to accepting unconditional love—murdering everything that might give him a sense of power—hasn’t been making him feel any better. So he was primed for redemption via Rey.
That’s all they needed to do in TROS. Not so hard, just write a reason for her to save his life or spare it again, even after their previous encounter and even given his new status as Supreme Leader. He’s halfway there. Continued pushes are all that’s needed.
Just like Luke Skywalker in the Revenge of the Sith, Rey and Kylo Ren don’t really need to develop much more in the final movie of their trilogy. They just need to put what the first two movies taught them to a big final test.
Anyway. With that in mind:
Let me give you the bite-sized version 😅
The Force-Searching Scenes - I don’t like these because they’re all Kylo Ren searching for Rey, with little to no engagement from her. She feels more like she’s given up on him in these scenes and is just trying to win an argument whenever he barges into her brain. He, on the other hand, might be looking for her, but it’s with one hand on his grandfather’s mask. Which is totally the opposite of him “letting the past die. Kill it, if you have to.” So he’s taking weird steps backward, toward TFA, as if TLJ never happened… and that tarnishes his motives for finding Rey, in my mind. If he’s going back to trusting the past and the idea of his grandfather, then why does he want to turn Rey to the dark side? When Vader failed to turn Luke, he tried to murder him. Kylo Ren knows that. So meditating on a mask he should be giving up on in order to find and turn Rey makes no sense, so it takes the tension out of those scenes for me.
Fight Scenes - Again, it makes no sense that Kylo Ren would still be pursuing turning Rey to the dark side so doggedly. Neither of them could convince the other at the end of TLJ. They split a lightsaber in half to prove it. Now, that doesn’t mean they should be giving up on each other completely. But Kylo Ren should be acting like he’s given up on her, even if just to convince himself. That’s what he’s done this whole time: turned to killing the people who fail him to make himself feel more powerful. She has a reason to keep believing in him: she’s on the Light Side of the Force. But instead, she’s the one acting like she wants nothing more to do with him. He mentions how he’s going to turn her to the dark side multiple times in the movie. But she doesn’t say more than one quipped question hinting that she still wants him on the light side. So the “attachment” focus of their fights loses all it’s tension because again, it doesn’t make sense. After TLJ, he should be at least trying to give up on her and pursue killing her, if anything. And she should be steadfastly believing in him, while pursuing doing the right thing no matter what he does. That’s where they were in their character development. More fighting barely makes sense.
Healing Scene - I liked this scene only when Rey heals Kylo Ren. Their fight beforehand, and her ramming his lightsaber into him, still makes no sense. She’s angry at him because of her connection to Palpatine and she’s fighting him like that’s going to exorcise her identity…but Rey being a dark, angry descendant of Palpatine never made sense (it unravels her whole character development.) So her motivations in this scene don’t make sense…until she heals him. Then, suddenly, there’s a glimpse of that Rey we left on the Millenium Falcon in TLJ: she’s healing him, even though he might just stand up and attack her again, because she genuinely believes he’s Ben and she just needs to show him mercy until he comes around to believing it. And THAT is part of what turns him. So I like that: I just think it was executed really poorly. She should never have been healing him from a wound she caused.
The Kiss - The kiss was just basically the TROS storytellers confirming that they were romantically attached instead of just enemies-to-friends/Allie’s attached. Because…for some reason they had to confirm that visually. I just think, again, that they didn’t set it up and execute it well. They have no conversations and no significant attention paid toward each other between the healing scene and the final battle. They might be force-linked, but the audience needed to see that bond turned romantic, or him turned good before any overt romantic gestures, much earlier on. Other than that, I like that he healed her. I love Adam Driver’s acting in that whole scene. Makes me wish they gave him more to do.
The Death Scene - This should not have happened. It was lazy. Kylo Ren is a character who has been trying to fulfill himself by making BIG, final (emphasis on “final”) choices. Having him make one more big final choice, to end his own life, was not good character development. He should’ve had to live with what he’d done so he could learn from his mistakes. That’s where his whole character was headed. He’s always failed to learn from his past: he thinks he can just erase it. You know what giving up your life for a different hero and then fading away is? It’s nice, but it’s just another “erase” choice. Additionally? It’s terrible for Rey’s story, too. She finally had someone she chose, someone she waited for who actually came back, somebody who understood her…somebody who’s redemption rewarded her long faith…and she’s left alone again. That’s just the worst. Plus, what did she need him to heal her for? What exactly did she die of? He was way more injured than she was.
What they should’ve done was, Kylo Ren and Rey save the day, and then he’s condemned to death for his crimes by the New Republic, but in honor of Leia’s life of sacrifice and belief in him, he’s given enough of a pardon to simply be banished to the unknown reaches. And Rey goes with him, because she can finally stop waiting, she loves seeing the galaxy, and they can learn about the Force together…plus, they’re obviously deeply connected. And that would be a great homage to Leia’s legacy as a character who never gives up on hope, and that hope is ultimately rewarded. Instead of having her give her life to reach him…so he can live for an hour or so before also dying.
Long story short…you’re right! I just think all the elements you liked should’ve been way more central, built up to, and placed where they fit in a better movie!
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kaneni09 · 5 months
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TFA - TLJ - HALCYON
Now we get to the rise of Skywalker.....sigh
This film needs a complete overhaul, very little about it is good: bad cinematography, bad set design, bad costuming and bad character arcs. 😖
I hate that Rey goes back to her first costume removing all her character development, I hate that she's so infantilised and I hate hate hate how lifeless she is. 😡
I don't even know where to begin with fixing this film so for now we'll just fix the costuming. There are 2 outfits that I think should exist in this film, Rey's Grey Jedi outfit for a majority of the runtime and then the outfit she wears once the fight is won, relaxed & retired on a lush green planet, married to Ben with a growing family.
I experimented with different hairstyles and outfits. I'm undecided on which Grey Jedi design looks the best, I'm thinking the one with the cut-out top and green skirt looks the nicest, but feel free to give your two cents.
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theladyship · 9 months
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So, they wanted me to forget about ‘But I Do’…
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the-viking-goddess · 7 months
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This is super salty re: the 'New Jedi Order' film, so be warned. I have tried my absolute ALL to avoid even thinking about this announced forthcoming film and am desperately trying to pretend it doesn't exist with every fiber of my being. However, I've been letting in my TROS grief and anger a little bit recently (I mostly keep it boxed away but every now and then I have to let myself feel it a little bit) and it unfortunately got me thinking about this new film. And you know what? I hope it fucking bombs. I hope it is diabolical and crashes and burns at the box office. I don't have anything against Daisy Ridley or the potential team involved (the creative team) but I fucking despise DLF for what they did/allowed to happen with TROS and most specifically Ben Solo and the Skywalkers and I want them to SUFFER as much as possible for it. I want it to be obvious to them after this film loses eye-watering sums of money that killing Ben and just the absolute travesty of TROS was a mistake they can't sweep under the rug or come back from, not in this timeline with these same characters. I want the film to do terribly because, surprise, no Ben, no Skywalkers and the annihilation of Rey's character into a flat, empty OP superhero-cutout who stole Ben's life and identity is not an interesting character to build a new film around.
But of course, life isn't fair and I'm sure this film will make bank and a shit ton of people will see it because it's SW. But I can still HOPE. I mean hope is what it's all about, right? I hope this film is a travesty and is torn to pieces by everyone in every way possible.
And like... I'm trying to be mean and peppy and zingy about this and I meant it, but genuinely the idea that they'll make a new film off the back of TROS without Ben and after every knife in the heart that film delivered... and make money and do well? It actually makes me feel broken. It breaks my heart to think of a new film with 'Rey Skywalker' happily teaching kids with uncle Finn popping in (and ye gods if she has moved on romantically I will kill someone) like Ben never existed and the Skywalkers, Han and Leia didn't all suffer and die for nothing. It makes me FERAL with anger that the films and characters I loved are going to be desecrated even worse than before and this film will be a dance on the grave of everything that TFA and TLJ was.
Anywayyyyy, that's my rant and now I'm going back to trying to pretend it doesn't exist.
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benthelastskywalker · 9 months
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The thing is The Rise of Skywalker is such a great title. And it was wasted on a terrible movie.
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I still can't believe Reylo didn't get a Happily Ever After. F*ck that.
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prozacmorning · 2 years
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I completely forgot about the time I was so mad at Disney for killing Ben that I sent them a ticket and gifs on Twitter to illustrate my point. At least they read it??
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So yeah, I forgot to mention it but I wrote (still writing btw) something 🥺
It’s a reylo pos-TROS that deals with memory loss, Calligraphy Professor Ben Solo, Rey needing a hug, and a journey where our favorite dyad finally finds the freedom to be who they truly are <3
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save-ben-swolo · 2 years
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Once again irate that Ben was never faced with “dark Rey” as a sexy/emotionally charged “be careful what you wish for” plot point.
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transgriffin · 9 months
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Usually I dream the most random and abstract, eldritch crap ever but last night I dreamt that Disney made a mini-series following the events after TROS (yeah retconning some useless shit they did), and someone had taken a badly injured Hux on a small ship with them to get him medical attention. Kylo, Finn, Rey and Rose were on board, so I'd just guess that Poe was piloting, while Kylo was pushing a cloth against Hux's wound (and Hux helped uwu touchy hands), trying to calm him down with a soft, low voice while Hux tried to speak his last wishes in helpless agony (he survived).
The second half of my dream I was about to participate in a school play but hadn't learned my lines and couldn't find my papers. And I confronted some school bullies that were also bodybuilders.
Yeah I preferred dreaming of getting some extra minutes with Hux. With that precious, perfect, handsome ginger face.
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tljisthegoat · 5 months
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My brain just keeps wanting to see Reylo kicking ass together for at least the next 10 years, but unfortunately, Disney took that golden opportunity away from the fans.
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rozs-tros-saltmine · 2 years
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Rey's parents apparently have canon names nearly 2½ years after TROS' release? DLF why even bother at this point?
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star-toured · 1 year
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every year, the nearer we get to TROS’ anniversary, my rage returns and I inwardly fume about the wasted opportunity, ruined characters, and horrible ending. I am normally able to get over fiction better than this, shrug it off because it’s fake and in space, but by golly they really got to me this time.
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burningblake · 10 months
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the more I think of it the more I can't understand how a media crew/producer can be so cruel and honestly hate their fanbase so much. like not only did they kill off ben solo directly after he was finally happy and with the woman he loved, but then they had to take back from that single good moment as well by arguing that it was platonic (a freaking lip-locking being platonic, imagine!) and they didn't even do that in a fashion that could bear no doubt, no, because as much as they hate their fanbase, they needed the clout, so they made sure to bait us with a whole load of "it was like a part of her was missing", and "i did want to take your hand. ben's hand" and "rey was his light" and "he'd just found her, really found her", in case the pain they'd caused us wasn't enough already by killing off a beloved character and ship.
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supercollide · 2 years
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i am a firm believer in rey nobody being the best narrative choice, but all of the parallels of obi wan and rey’s lives in the desert are just more proof to me that if there absolutely had to be some reveal of her connection to another character then rey kenobi would have been miles and miles better than palpatine. oh well :/
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