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a-rose-for-gold · 1 year

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“The Crocodile”

Okay. I was typing a reblog and it somehow became a rant/spiel, so I’m making a whole post about it.

“The Crocodile” Episode? I know a this isn’t exactly an unpopular opinion, but I’mma say it anyway.

Hook and Milah. Had. It. COMING.

Granted - Hook became cool eventually. But I hated him for a LOT of the series on the grounds of his first impression alone.

Like it’s one thing to run off with a man’s wife. Rumple and Milah weren’t in love and the marriage wasn’t a good one. She put zero effort into their family and taking her off their hands may arguably have been better for everyone.

Seriously. Fuck Milah.

Spinner Rumple tried so hard to be a good husband and father, or at least to make their family work in a loveless marriage, and he deserved better.

But in spite of that, what Hook did to him on the ship crossed so many lines and he totally deserved to get owned for it.

Let’s review:

Concerned husband boards a pirate ship to beg for his wife back, thinking she’s been abducted. Right off the bat: That right there took courage. It always pisses me off when OUAT characters call Spinner Rumple a coward, because he really wasn’t. The world put him through it and he was doing his damn best. Just showing up to the ship of bloodthirsty pirates, knowing that literally all he could do was beg and hope for the best, took guts.

Back to Hook. So this poor guy shows up to ask for his wife back unharmed. And shy of actually hurting Rumple, Hook decides to do quite possibly the cruelest thing he could have done:

Keep letting the spinner think that his wife had been taken against her will and that she was being raped by the whole crew.

If Milah was in on the lie, then in my opinion SHE was the cowardly one here. Not Rumple. You want to abandon your disabled husband and son to run off and live the high life with a pirate? Own your shit.

But no. Instead they pushed the blame onto Rumple and gaslit this poor man into thinking it was somehow his fault.

Yeah - Rumple didn’t pick up the sword when Hook challenged him to a duel over Milah. But let’s think about that for a sec shall we?

We have Rumplestiltskin: An older wool spinner with a disability. Who can’t walk all that well WITH his walking stick - much less without it, on a boat, and during a fight with a sword. Which he’s barely held in his life unless you count the crash-course he got as fodder- I mean a new recruit, when he was drafted into the Ogres War.

Versus Captain Jones: A younger, taller, stronger pirate. An experienced swordsman, comfortable on a ship, and with two good legs. AND with a loyal crew of OTHER strapping pirates who would probably kill Rumple even if by some miracle he DID take Hook by surprise or something.

So really, Rumple had two options here.

Option A: Refuse to fight the bloodthirsty pirate, leave with your life but without your wife, and return home to your now motherless son.

Option B: Fight the bloodthirsty pirate, probably die or at least get badly injured (which could be death within a few days-weeks anyway given his financial situation and living conditions), the pirate takes your wife anyway, and your son is left an orphan who may or may not ever know what happened to you.

So there was no realistic scenario here where he fights off the pirates like a dashing hero and carries his wife home.

What else was he supposed to do?!

Rumplestiltskin is extremely smart. He always was. He knows when to pick his battles and he would have known all of that at a glance.

Refusing to fight wasn’t cowardice. It was common sense.

And yet Hook, this mothafucka, who must have realized all of this too and put Rumple in this situation in the first place, had the gall to act disgusted about it when Rumple refused to “fight like a man.” And then gaslit him into thinking that he was a coward and a fool for making what was obviously the more rational decision.

Now Hook is a pirate. I never would have expected much from him. But that’s no excuse. What he did was fucked. And karma is a bitch.

Stupid Game = Stupid Prize

And yes I know this is a pretty commonly held opinion so it shouldn’t be new to anyone but I rewatched that episode recently and needed to get this off my chest. 😤

#once upon a time #rumplestiltskin #mr. gold #robert carlyle #rumpelstiltskin #Captain Hook #killian jones #milah ouat #character analysis #show analysis #karma is a bitch #anyway 💅#woobie #woobie rumple #spinner rumple #The Crocodile #stupid game #stupid prize #fucked around and found out

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oautincorrectquotes · 1 year

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I have a question, why did rumple want everyones fucking firstborns like to eat them? put them in baby races? make the firstborns fight to the death? like why. What does he even do with them?

#ouat rumple #rumple #rumplestiltskin #rumplestilskin #mr gold #firstborn #crocodile #robert carlyle #ouat #once upon a time #ouat fandom #questions

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weregonnabecoolbeans · 1 month

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Finally on “The Crocodile” in my OUAT rewatch!!!!

Let’s Goooo!!!!!

#every time I’ve watched this show I’ve appreciated rumple as a good character and thought he was entertaining but never thought much of him #tell me why this time he’s been my favourite so far #like he’s genuinely the best character on the show and every episode he isn’t in takes me forever to finish #Robert Carlyle is just so talented idk man #im currently obsessed with not only shiny goblin rumple but mr gold too #i wonder if this will somehow make me love the rumple and hook storyline even more #welp time to start the episode :)#ouat #ouat rewatch #once upon a time #ouat The Crocodile #ouat 2x04 #rumplestiltskin #ouat rumple #Captain Hook #killian jones #kate's post

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exhaustedpirate · 25 days

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love scare

the beginning of my silly tiktok prompt series starts with a tiktok by @itspierreboo and @nickychampa that I found silly and adorable which makes this fic just as silly so enjoy! it's a little canon-compliant one-shot that i place during the six weeks of peace, more specifically, like a day or so before 4B

rated G | 922 words also on ao3

Maybe it was fate, maybe it was luck, maybe she was just too damn hot under the covers. No matter the reason, Emma woke up early. Although, early was a bit of a misconception, since it was very clearly mid-morning and she could hear her parents puttering about in the kitchen and her baby brother was already fussing.

Who cares? Sunday was a day to sleep in and clearly, Killian took that seriously.

That was another reason she was so damn hot, there was a naked pirate with his head firmly burrowed on her neck and an arm wrapped around her. But really, she’d much rather burn than get out of this bed.

For a moment, she wondered if something was wrong, Killian was usually the first to wake up but it could have something to do with the vigorous work-out the night before - really, finding positions and places to fuck that delicacy of a man while sharing a house with her parents and a baby was a task of its own. But they figured it out, oh they figured it out. And last night? Last night she found out how much pain tolerance Killian actually has.

If she looks down, she’ll definitely see her bite mark on his shoulders. But right now, she’s more focused on the way the hair of his arms brushes her nipples with every breath or how his hand is holding her waist possessively. Well, who is she to complain? His back definitely has some new scars and not just from the night before.

In any case, she is not ready to watch him leave out the window or for him to put clothes on. She’s not ready to move even an inch and that’s not just because of how sore she feels. No, she’s more than content to wile away the day in bed with a pirate.

In a dream world, she would and that should really scare her. Or it should scare her how much it actually doesn’t.

Emma closes her eyes, her hand finding his and relaxing. Five more minutes.

Not a minute later, she feels him stir but stays still, maybe he’ll do what he did last time she slept in and try to wake her with his head between her legs. Hmm, that was a great Sunday morning.

She feels Killian sigh in contentment, his hand clenching around hers and pulling her closer. She feels his eyes on her, on her lips, on her nose, on her cheeks, on her hair, at the same time, his legs hooks (ha!) around hers.

“Good morning, my love.” His whisper is barely audible, the addition of the “my” causing her heart to stutter in her chest.

She knew how he felt about her, it was clear in his eyes, most predominantly, every morning they woke up in the same bed. If only she would let herself-

His lips found her jaw in a barely-there kiss, something she wouldn’t have felt if she wasn’t already awake and she wondered if he had done this before. Then his lips whispered over her cheek and her brow in the same way.

“I could spend centuries here with you,” He spoke in the same whisper close to her nose before he kissed its bridge and then the tip.

Her heart was bound to explode if he carried on, so full of affection, care and, dare she say it? L- His lips found her chin and she couldn’t handle anymore. If she didn’t do anything, she was bound to confess it all to him and it was too soon, too early.

With his breath over her lips, she opened her eyes and let out a quiet ‘boo’, loud enough for him to hear but not too loud for her parents to hear from the floor below.

However, her plan had a major flaw - she didn’t account for a startled pirate. For all that he was a ruthless pirate who likely slept with an eye open, he had probably gone soft sleeping with her because he let out a loud curse and fell from the other side of the bed. It was probably her fault for sleeping like a starfish and giving him very little room.

She probably didn’t help either by laughing out loud at his reaction, especially when he sat up on the floor to look at her with what could only be called a fond glare.

“Emma, are you alright?” Even David’s purposeful steps and panicked voice couldn’t quiet her laughter, only exacerbating it as Killian’s eyes widened and he froze in panic.

She really wished she could know what was going on in her father’s mind as he arrived at her room to find his daughter wrapped with a blanket on the bed and a pirate hiding his naked body behind the bed. She would probably see his brain short circuit.

“Charming, what happened?”

Her mother’s voice seemed to break David out of whatever shock he was in because his glare was deadly on Killian while Emma’s laughter dimmed to giggles. Really, who could blame her?

“I think we need an upgrade on our anti-pirate alarm system!”

“What are y- Oh!”

And really, Emma shouldn’t be the target of her dad and her boyfriend’s glare when it was her mother who went into a fit of giggles. She hid her face in her hands and shook her head.

“I really need to get my own place.”

Especially if she was going to keep falling for sneaky pirates.

#tiktok #tiktok crocodile #carolina writes #killian jones #emma swan #captain hook #captainswan #captain swan #cs ff #ouat ff

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kazoosandfannypacks · 2 years

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"I did terrible things. Unspeakable things. That will always hang over me. I've tried to be the hero... What if it doesn't matter? There's no redemption for me. There's only suffering... I have to live with my past darkness and all its well-deserved consequences."

"With all this talk of authors and the book, we've never discussed one fact: I was a villain." "But you're not anymore." "Neither is Regina, but she still lost her happy ending. If we're to believe the rules of the book, then it's only a matter of time before I lose mine."

ONCE UPON A TIME: 6.21-23 [2.4, 5.22, & 4.16]

#once upon a time #once upon a time gifset #killian jones #captain swan #once upon a time season 6 #the song in your heart #the final battle #david nolan #charming ouat #snow white ouat #regina mills #emma swan #once upon a time season 2 #once upon a time season 4 #once upon a time season 5 #the crocodile #poor unfortunate souls #only you #gifs from the fannypack

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martianbugsbunny · 11 months

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Rogers and Weaver would so get on Emma and Hook’s nerves. I mean, 1) it would be hilarious to see Hook’s face when he realized that a version of him married Rumple, that mental image waters my crops (but doesn’t overwater them) and curates my garden

And 2) Rogers and Weaver are probably the single most annoying pair of detectives to have running around any district you’re supposed to be sheriffing. Intentional lack of communication, air of shadiness, and I just know it would drive Emma crazy that they’re actually pretty good at being detectives. Maybe the Killians would have competitions to see who could solve the most cases in a month, but Emma wouldn’t be able to stand when Weaver solved a case she couldn’t.

#once upon a time #ouat #rumplestiltskin #Killian Jones #detective rogers #detective weaver #wish hook #the detectives rogers #captaincroc #goldenhook #captain crocodile #rumple x hook #hook x rumple #weaver x rogers #rogers x weaver #storybrooke #Emma swan #martianbugsbunny ships

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pineartppland · 6 months

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Inktober Day 26 : Remove

#my art #inktober #inktober 2023 #inktober day 26 #remove #emma swan #ouat #once upon a time #dark one #dark emma #ouat s5 #crocodile skin #ace week #asexuality awareness week #asexuality #♤

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scripted-downfall · 2 years

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Shades of Morality

I know that there’s a lot of debate about who was “right” and who was “wrong” in the history between Hook and Rumplestiltskin, and I’ve always found the parallels here fascinating, so I’m going to offer up my two cents and hope it’s not overdone. :) For reference — as promised in my last OUAT post — this will be pulling principally from season 2 episode 4 “The Crocodile” and season 5 episode 14 “Devil’s Due.”

(Let me start by saying that I’m not really going to address the beginning sequence of flashbacks from Devil’s Due — everything we see about Milah and Rumple interacting once he gets home, how they handle Baelfire getting bitten by the snake, etc — because it is very ambiguous. I’m not sure there is a distinct right or wrong up until a very specific point because which of the couple a viewer identifies with is largely dependent on an individual’s personal values and experiences. After that ambiguity disappears, it’s because he decides to sell his wife’s — Milah’s at the time, though, in actuality, Belle’s — reproductive rights without talking to her first. At that point, I disagree with any argument that he was not acting completely and totally in the wrong. And, once that’s done, Milah absolutely has the right to take time and space for herself at the tavern.)

Instead, I’ll start with the first chronological event we see: when Killian and Milah meet in the tavern… and, as far as I can see it, both individuals acted with honor. The first seeds of their relationship are sown when Killian knocks out the guy hitting on her when she didn’t want him to be, when Killian talks about a way out of her provincial life (discussing the spices in the air, etc), when he outright offers her a way out… and yet they’re both bound by their own personal codes of honor. Milah rejects the offer because she has a husband and kid and responsibilities at home, and Killian abides by that because he wouldn’t go against her wishes.

Then we have the scenes in “The Crocodile,” starting out with the scene where Rumple goes with Baelfire to bring Milah back home from the tavern. This scene is a touch complicated, especially since it’s after years of bitterness and the aforementioned deal with the apothecary. On the one hand, there’s the fact that Rumple brings Baelfire to a tavern in order to manipulate his wife into coming back to a life where she does most if not all of the work and where it’s a bit rich for him to be accusing her of forsaking responsibility; on the other hand, she’s intentionally cruel to him and has been out of the house for a while despite having a kid. This goes back to the earlier ambiguity of their day-to-day interactions; there isn’t, for the most part, an outright, objective right or wrong. She returns to the house and promises to give life with Rumple/Bae “a try.”

The next thing we see, a villager tells Rumple that his wife has been taken by “the men who came into port last week” — aka Killian and his crew — and that they’re about to set sail with her. And this… this is the scene that I think is often viewed incorrectly. I know a lot of people who say that this scene is totally rigged against Rumple, that Killian was young and able-bodied while Rumple was neither, that Killian was cruel, etc… and, in some ways, I get it.

I also think, though: that’s the point. The entire encounter is most assuredly a sham. A test.

Mainly, because this entire encounter is completely and totally out of character for Killian. If there’s one thing that can be said for him, it’s that he is absolutely a man of honor. So, why then does he say, “I’ve had many a man’s wife?” We know for a fact — albeit post-episodically — that he doesn’t make a practice of starting affairs with married women; as mentioned above, when we see him meet Milah in “Devil’s Due,” all it takes for him to back off is for her to say she has a husband. The above quote is absolutely not the kind of man he is… but it is the kind of man who might pose a threat to Milah’s safety. Similarly, “I have a ship full of men who need… companionship.” The implication here is something that would never stand on Killian’s ship or in Killian’s presence. The man’s code of honor is inherent to his personality — “good form,” etc — so the fact that there’s something clearly dishonorable being alleged here is important.

So I take the “it was cruel and mean and how dare he” argument and put forth a new one in its place: “it was harsh and effective.” Milah said she’d give life with Rumple a try, but the main hurdle they had to overcome was his cowardice; she resented being lashed to the village coward, and (judging by the look of sheer surprise when Killian stood up for her in the tavern) hadn’t really had someone fight for her before. This is also supported by the ending line of that scene; Killian’s scornful of Rumple because he’s a coward, because he wouldn’t fight for his wife. (And there wasn’t really substantial proof that the duel would be to the death; Killian said Rumple had to fight for her, not that he had to win or kill Killian or any of the above.) This was a trial by fire to test Rumple’s valor when it came to Milah, and he was willing to walk away with the belief that he was leaving his wife to be served as a favor to a group of pirates.

Now we fast forward. Rumple is the Dark One; he’s found Killian again; and he purposefully bumps into Killian to provoke him. To be honest, it’s true; Killian was a bit of a dick here. He’s working off a code — his basic understanding of what manners should be — but he’s still intoxicated to some degree and definitely jerkish.

Then Rumple reveals himself and asks about Milah before then challenging Killian to a duel… and this is the part that really, to me, settles who is “right” and who is “wrong.” Because, in essence, Rumple gives Killian the same exact deal — if not a little harsher — than the one Killian had given him, all those years ago. He requests a duel, though this one is pretty clearly to the death. There is a power imbalance; Rumple is the bloody Dark One, complete with immortality and magic, while Killian is just a pirate with a cutlass. There is something at stake if he doesn’t do the fight, but it’s not something intrinsic to his person; in other words, Rumple threatens not Killian’s life but his crew’s lives, similar to the way Killian seemed to be threatening Milah’s wellbeing and not Rumple’s if he didn’t duel. (This is very important because it means that, if the person being challenged decides to duel, they are taking on personal risk for someone else’s benefit instead of taking on personal risk to avoid personal risk; it’s a selfless decision to duel, whereas the alternative would be more selfish.)

Anyway, it’s the same duel. (Or, I should say, it’s at least the same duel… I maintain that the power imbalance between immortal magic user and mortal swordsman is a touch more extensive than the imbalance between mortal pirate swordsman and mortal-but-injured trained soldier… And also, there’s the fact that Killian already put himself at risk to protect Milah by telling Rumple that she was dead… Oh, and also the fact that Rumple put in the caveat that Killian had to sit an entire night preparing to die with the ability to run right in front of him even as he didn’t run to protect his crew/Milah… yeah, it was at least the same duel.)

And yet Killian showed up for it. He showed up with his cutlass exactly at dawn, ready to die to protect Milah/his crew the way Rumple hadn’t been willing to fight for Milah so many years before. He actually follows through on fighting. He loses — although, I will point out, that Rumple betrayed any semblance of a code of honor and used magic in the duel, which is (to coin a phrase) bad form — and prepares to die easily, willingly. And this, people… this is the difference between Killian and Rumple. When put in the same position — the same trial by fire — Killian passes the test that Rumple failed.

Thus, is it any wonder that Milah goes to get Hook? She puts her own life on the line to confront her ex-husband and save her new lover. He fought for her, and she fights for him. She’s clever about it, finding just the piece of leverage that might get through to Rumple and using it, and all because she’s found someone to fight for her.

I also feel like it’s necessary to point out that, when they get back to the Jolly Roger, the crew treats her as a second captain. They respond to her orders and follow what she says. She’s not, as they implied to Rumple, a party favor that they passed around, and nor is she some mere component of Killian (i.e. they don’t treat her like “the captain’s mistress” but as her own person, and someone who’s definitely in some degree of command). What I mean by this is that the way we see the crew interacting with her further invalidates the earlier encounter between Killian and Rumple unless it were a test set up by Milah and Killian to test Rumple’s mettle.

And then, of course, there’s the fatal scene, and I feel like I’d be hard-pressed to find someone who thinks that Rumple acted appropriately. (tbh, I’d be very worried if I found someone who did, because… murder? Really? Seriously, folks, feel free to reach out to me with explanations for how Rumple was right in the killing-Milah scene because I don’t understand and am curious if anyone has any logic to provide whatsoever.) This scene is, to me, one of the best at summing up Rumple’s character flaws, if I’m being honest. His anger at her for leaving Bae is, yes, partly at her, but it’s also in large part him projecting onto her because he left Baelfire, far more permanently. He continues to not see things from other peoples’ points of view; he didn’t get how Milah was so miserable with him when she was doing all the housework and childcare while also being married to one of the town’s outcasts and getting no help from him. His anger issues, because he can’t take hearing that she didn’t love him without deciding she deserved to die. And his cowardice, hiding behind magic, because — even with immortality and everything else — he needs his powers to restrain Killian long enough to kill her. This is probably not a very persuasive paragraph in terms of the thesis idea of Killian vs. Rumple, but that’s largely because I’m very confused as to how anyone supports Rumple’s position here, so I can’t foresee which counterarguments to provide.

Before I conclude, I do want to address one slightly-off-topic thing… Milah. I will confess that I have serious personal qualms with her leaving her son behind to set sail, but I also very much disagree with the people who dismiss her as being heartless or careless there. Do I think she was right to leave Bae behind, to leave him with Rumple as a father? No. But. She wasn’t thoughtless. She wasn’t careless. We find out through Killian at some point that the two of them had carried on long conversations about bringing Bae, that both had felt guilty for abandoning him, and that both were worried about the environment that a pirate ship might provide for a child. We also find out that they’d planned on going back for him at some point. I think this is another instance in the show of a mother trying to do what’s best for her child; I just also think that Milah made the wrong choice.

However, I also vastly believe that the family unit of Rumple, Milah, and Baelfire was unhealthy and should not have persisted. It was a relationship built on years of bitterness culminating in Rumple making a decision to sell their future, and it was deleterious to everybody involved. I cannot believe that Bae would have had a substantially better life if Milah had stuck around than the way it ended up happening.

And also, it’s just important to notice how much Milah thrived away from Rumple. (Because it’s not her being away from Bae; she’s consistently feeling guilty about that, and he continues to be her unfinished business after she dies.) Not only does she get to leave the life she hated, doing all the work in a small town where everyone hated her husband and pitied her, and get to go on a life of adventure to different worlds… Not only does she get respect and an actual, healthy family in Killian and his crew… But the sheer amount of meta analysis that could be done on her clothing as compared to her mental state?? Massive. I mean, she goes from drab peasant in rags and worn out clothing to a pirate queen, with bright colors, beaded shirts, and brocade.

So, long story short; I think that Killian — and, to a slightly lesser degree (principally because of leaving Bae, even though, as I said, I think she was just a flawed person doing her best in a shitty situation), Milah — were worlds more justified in all of their actions than Rumple was. I think that, if we’re talking right or wrong, neither Killian nor Rumple were 100% right or 100% wrong. I also think that Killian was more right.

Whoo, that was a long one. I’m slightly dying because I now have no clue if any of this is coherent or makes sense. I’m also fairly certain I didn’t get to say some stuff I wanted to say… oh, well, guess that’s what future posts are for :) Thanks for sticking with me!

#once upon a time #ouat #captain hook #killian jones #milah #ouat milah #millian #rumplestiltskin #character analysis #analysis #2x4 #the crocodile #2x4 the crocodile #5x14 #devil's due #5x14 devil's due

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