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Edvard's Supernatural Guide 2x06 No Exit
Contains discussion of sexual assault
Spoilers for The Winchesters 1x06 Art of Dying
This episode continues what I see as a run of mostly weak-to-average episodes starting with 2x05 Simon Said and lasting until roughly 2x15 Tall Tales. Having the plot spread so thin is frustrating: Buffy had the same number of episodes per series and had plenty of monster-of-the-week episodes, but they usually linked into the overall plot and story in some way or other, or were relevant to the characters. For this to be less present in Supernatural is to the show’s detriment and makes it seem undeveloped.
I do not mean to fling poo at the actors’ livelihood and work as this is the responsibility of the writers, producers, and executives. As I have said before, I do not watch the show for the plot, so this is not such a big concern for me. The reason I do not watch it for the plot, though, is because there is so little of it to watch. If I were not so stuck on doing certain things properly and in the correct order, I would have half a mind to skip quite a few of the next few episodes and jump right to 2x15 Tall Tales.
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If it were not for Jensen, I would not have stuck with Dawson’s Creek, Smallville, or Dark Angel for half as long as I did, and I certainly would not have bothered sitting through the hot mess that is The Boys. The first half of Supernatural series two is not so dull that I would quit without him, but I can see why it was faced with cancellation. While some episodes in the next ten take steps to advance the plot, 2x10 Hunted is the last one to do so until 2x21 All Hell Breaks Loose Part I. Of course viewers who watch it for the plot would have got tired and bored. That might have been all well and good in the early to mid nineties with The X-Files, but people in 2006 clearly wanted more in their stories. Add to that the fact that the new characters such as Bobby and the Harvelles are almost entirely in absentia, and things can get slow and tired. I could watch dozens of hours of Dean eating a sandwich and be perfectly content, but normies clearly require more stimulation.
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Preamble aside, in my analysis of 2x05 Simon Said, I forgot to mention the ending. Against Dean’s better judgement, Sam revealed to Ellen that he has psychic powers. She accepted it and it seemed like she would be taking on a more prominent role in the plot of series two, working with the brothers to fight against whatever it is Azazel wants to do with the psychic children. Other than being annoyed with Sam once again not being in his brother’s corner and letting him take a ‘telling off’ from Ellen after trying to keep Sam safe, and me having flashbacks to Missouri, this scene is disappointing because nothing comes of it. She barely appears after this.
After referring to Missouri Moseley, some readers who read my analysis of 1x09 Home might be under the impression I dislike Ellen, but they would be mistaken. She got my back up talking to Dean like a naughty schoolboy because every ‘parental’ figure in this show does that to Dean whilst fawning over Sam. Missouri did it, Bobby did it, John did it, Ellen almost did it.
I actually like Ellen. Other than the fact that it is a wonderful change to have a middle-aged women on a show like this who is not ‘just’ a mum, she was a relatable, likeable, believable character who was tough and competent but not written as a male character played by a woman. In spite of Samantha Ferris’s douchey behaviour in early 2021 relating to Dean and Cas’s wedding at the Roadhouse, I think it is a serious shame she was not given more to do on the show. Her apparent marriage to Bobby in the alternate universe in 6x17 My Heart Will Go On suggests a lot of stories we could have seen, but alas, shall not be told.
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While on the subject, I understand Ellen’s anger in the car at the end, but the relationship between her, Dean, and Sam had not been sufficiently established at that point. She was acting like Dean and Sam’s angry mum, but that needed to be earnt. As things were, her turning off Dean’s music felt much more like a rude passenger being petulant than disciplinarian mother, especially considering it was Dean’s car, not hers.
What that scene was trying to show was that Ellen was very angry at Dean and Sam for lying to her, and Dean and Sam were uncomfortable and did not want to argue with or upset her further. Or Dean was, at least. Sam and Jo seemed significantly less so in the back with their smirks. Perhaps it says something about me, but my thought during that scene was ‘Who dis bish and why she turning off the music in somebody else’s car?’
And in case you were wondering, I do still think Missouri Moseley is a mega-bitch. Die mad about it.
And whilst on the subject of Samantha Ferris, it would be remiss of me not to point out that this is her and Jensen’s second time on a show together: she appeared as Lionel Luthor’s lawyer in Smallville 4x10 Scare in 2004. The same episode also featured Jensen’s character Jason falling from a balcony and hitting his head hard enough to knock him unconscious. And what have we learnt so far? ‘A blow to the head hard enough to cause unconsciousness is hard enough to kill or cause serious brain damage.’
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That’s it! That explains the reason for the huge change in Jason’s character halfway through series 4. The only reason he seemed to be on his Jocasta of a mother’s side was because of the brain damage he sustained in 4x10 Scare. Anyway, in spite of his serious concussion, he is alive and well in 2022 enjoying lots and lots of coitus with his husband Lex Luthor somewhere in Switzerland. Eat your heart out, Lana Lang.
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By the way, the fact parental figures pick on Dean and not Sam is another bit of evidence in favour of Dean being autistic. No matter how good we are at masking, something about us marks us out and makes us targets.
Having discussed one Harvelle, it is time to discuss the other, and this rewatch has not left me liking Jo very much at all. She seems like she was written by somebody trying to create a strong, young, confident female character, but ended up writing an immature, myopic, cocky little sister. That is no criticism of Alona Tal, just the material she was given.
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I made it clear in my analysis of 2x02 Everybody Loves a Clown that I thought Jo got off to a bad start, and unfortunately things have not gone any better for her since. A friend commented that Jo seems as though she was written to be a bit younger than she is portrayed. She looks like she is in her early twenties (working in a bar in America means she is at least 21, if I have understood correctly), but her dialogue often sounds like it was intended for somebody a few years younger. The same friend also commented that she gets the sense Jo and Dean were supposed to have a young girl/older man relationship, perhaps as one of the writers’ fantasies of copulating with a young virgin.
Whatever the case may be, Jo certainly sounds very young in her argument with Ellen at the beginning of the episode. Even having an argument like that with her mother implies she is far from being an independent adult because if she were, she would have simply left with or without her mother’s approval. Dragging Dean and Sam into the argument to support her was also a childish move, though understandable.
Where her inexperience really comes out, though, is in her behaviour with Dean and Sam on the hunt. Before giving my own thoughts, let me take an extract from Paula R. Stiles’s analysis of this episode:
‘So, what made me nearly give the show up after just one episode? Two words: “Jo Harvelle”.
I needed to give you this introduction so that you could understand the mindset I had going into [the first episode of the show I watched], especially since I’m sure some twit, somewhere, will insist it was because I had a crush on Jensen Ackles and was jealous of the female guest star. I loved (and still love) horror, but I had zero investment in the show at that point. I didn’t know who the regular characters were. In fact, the episode left me with the impression that Jo was either a regular or about to become one (Lord knows she was in enough of it)
 I’ve always actively loathed that annoying, sexist cliche that goes back at least to the 1950s in Hollywood – The Useless Tomboy: Dumb Bitch Variation, which is even more irritating for fanboys often using as an example of female fans being “misogynist” toward our own gender whenever we (rightly) point out that we don’t like being portrayed as useless, self-centred, dumb bitches (We “chicks” are funny that way, just as guys don’t like being portrayed as dumb slobs, or abusive dirtbags). And Lord, was Jo one in spades. She was pushy, whiny, helpless, self-righteous, hypocritical, immature, stupid, and more than a tiny bit vindictive when the Big Reveal about her daddy and the brothers’ daddy came round.
She also had all of the makings of a recurring character who might well stick around and even supplant the two brother protagonists. I had put up with her for the whole episode in order to enjoy the other aspects, but when both she and her mother (though I later came to like Ellen a lot, “No Exit” wasn’t her finest hour, either) went off on Dean in the coda, for something of which he and Sam were completely innocent, I threw in the towel. And keep in mind that I had known both Jo and Dean for less than forty minutes at that point. Plus commercials. So, I was judging both of them entirely on first impressions and, therefore, their actions. As I’ve said in the review for that episode, it wasn’t until I tried again with “Houses of the Holy“, six episodes later, and got all perky about the prospect of Dean and angels (with no Jo Harvelle in sight), that I finally decided I needed to watch more of Supernatural.
That’s how lousy a character Jo was in season two.
I am afraid I must concur. Sorry to any Jo fans reading this, but she had been skating on thin ice since smiling smugly at Dean after punching him in the face in 2x02. Acting as if she was coördinating the operation, trying to be authoritative in ‘asking’ Dean to sit down, and insisting Dean’s ‘chauvinistic crap’ was the only reason he would object to her presence was the ice cracking and Jo plummeting into the water.
Dean calling her out for this was perfection: ‘Sweetheart, this ain’t gender studies. Women can do the job just fine. Amateurs can’t. You got no experience.’ This is exactly why there was no chemistry or romance between Dean and Jo: he saw her for the inexperienced child she was. Their entire interaction when she turns up at the hotel is dripping with Dean’s irritation and disdain for her puerility. She has put herself in danger, burdened the brothers with keeping her safe, and made their job harder to boot. She is an irresponsible amateur and not the equal of Dean or even Sam in hunting.
She reminds me a little of Sam in her arrogance and indignant bristling at Dean challenging her. Her attempts to imply he is the problem, not her, with her ‘untwist your boxers’ after he pulls her up for lying to her mum and running away was twisted, and the image of a chihuahua yapping at a German Shepherd came to mind again, only this time the chihuahua is a bichon frisé.
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The main difference between her bad behaviour and Sam’s behaviour is that the show does not portray Jo as correct or justified, but rather allows Dean to call her out every time, and ends with her getting kidnapped, almost dying, but ending up getting saved by Dean and Sam.
To her credit, she did show bravery in letting herself be bait for Holmes, but any positivity her slight character growth might have won from me was dashed utterly beyond repair with her taking her anger out on Dean for John’s role in getting Will Harvelle (Jo’s father and Ellen’s husband) killed. Note once again it is Dean who is the brunt of somebody’s anger, not Sam, nor is it Sam who is held responsible for his father’s actions. Ellen does not even direct any of her anger for the events of the episode at Sam (at least not that the viewer is shown): Sam could have called up Ellen and told her Jo was with them, but chose not to. If Dean endangered Jo’s life and lied to Ellen, then so too did Sam, but not a single angry word is aimed at Sam.
Either Dean is regarded by everybody involved as the one in charge and therefore the one bearing liability, or for some reason the writer did not want to show Sam in a bad light. Given the fact it is always Dean who is put in embarrassing, degrading situations, and who is supposedly the ‘perverted, gross deviant’, I expect the truth is actually a mix of both.
Take this line of dialogue from 13x19 Funeralia where a reaper named Jessica has been spying on Dean and Sam:
Jessica: I’m especially fond of Sam’s impressive… extensive array of hair products. [looks at Dean] Not to mention, the three day old bacon cheeseburger in your room, or the VHS tape hidden under your bed labeled "Sweet Princess Asuka Meets the Tentacles of Ple--
Sam is allowed to keep his privacy and dignity, but Dean is not. ...even though Sam is the one who ‘conveniently’ does not lock the door while watching porn so that Dean can walk in and almost catch him.
Winc*sties, no. Bad Winc*sties.
Sam also clearly has a serial killer fetish, but he is allowed to keep that to himself rather than having it dragged out in front of his friends in an attempt to spite and humiliate him. (Sam’s a douche for spitefully telling Jody Dean likes hentai. Once again, Sam escalated a situation into an attack against his brother. But that can wait for another time).
Whatever the case, Ellen throws Dean’s apology (for Jo’s behaviour) right back in his face, and Jo tells him to leave after finding out John got her dad killed. They drove Dean and Sam (especially Dean) away, and they are never really on terms with each other again. They will eventually be colleagues for a handful of episodes, but nothing more.
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Mention of Dean naturally leads the discussion to him. Sharp-eyed observers might have noticed a subtle suggestion in 2x05 Simon Said to Dean having been either date-raped or almost date-raped. He likened being under the effects of Andy’s mind-control to being roofied. Of course this does not mean Dean knows first-hand what it is like, but given all the evidence (including Jensen’s own speculation) to support the idea Dean might have been engaged in sex work at some point (not necessarily willingly, and not necessarily as an adult), one does certainly wonder.
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An episode somewhere has Dean describe an escapade he went on as a child. He managed to slip away from John for a while and ended up in a bar, where people apparently started buying him drinks and getting him drunk. I almost never go to bars, rarely drink alcohol, and men/boys are not generally raised to be constantly on the look out for such things, so it took somebody pointing out to me that the issue here was not only plying a minor with alcohol in a bar, but a suggestion of rendering poco!Dean defenceless and vulnerable to predation.
Rather than retyping everything, I will direct you to my essay on John’s abuse of Dean, and my analysis of 1x20 Dead Man’s Blood for specifics on Dean showing signs of being sexually abused. One thing more which arose in this episode was when Dean and Jo investigated the block of flats together, and they happened upon a certain spot. In addition to the EMF readers going off, a smell hangs on the air which Dean pinpoints as chloroform. Why does Dean know what chloroform smells like? This is all circumstantial and proves nothing, but a picture came together a long time ago: now the show’s just adding a few details. Dean is the victim of sexual assault.
Contrary to popular conceptions, men and boys are not immune to sexual assault. Statistics regarding male victimisation of sexual assault and violence show almost parity with female rates of victimisation when sexual assault includes the category ‘forced to penetrate’. Men being raped is endemic in prisons, but it is not just men raping men: women do it, too.
If you care to take a look for yourself, please peruse these links. I would like to draw your attention specifically to pages 42 and 43 of the Center for Disease Control's study which indicates approximately 11 million US women compared to 9 million US men are victims of sexual violence and assault over their entire lifetime.
If Dean were Diana and she said things like Dean says, would anybody hesitate to conclude she is a victim of sexual assault? Why should it be any different because Dean has a penis?
This show’s relationship to sexual violence is an issue, especially regarding male victims, but that discussion can wait until 2x15 Tall Tales where Gabriel rapes a male student by proxy and we are supposed to laugh because a) he is a male victim and b) he ‘deserved it’.
Back to the current episode, the first thing which comes to mind when Dean thinks of John (at least that he is willing to discuss) is John teaching him to shoot a gun when he was 6 or 7. He bullseyed every target, but scoffs at Jo’s suggestion that John must have been proud of him. Do you remember the gravestone Dean saw in 2x04 Children Shouldn’t Play with Dead Things which read ‘Loving Father’ and Dean’s pensive look which said clearly ‘I wonder what that’s like’? I remember.
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Regarding sexual assault, the antagonist of the episode of America’s first serial killer. The episode gives enough information on him to be going on with, although as Paula R. Stiles points out in her analysis of this episode, Holmes (in our universe, which is not the Superverse) died a long way from the city this episode takes place in. His presence in this episode was generally creepy, but my latest rewatch had me wondering why he was so extra, especially with the second blonde lady. Was it really necessary to make cracks in the ceiling and wall? Just grab the woman and drag her off with you.
When Dean and Jo searched the walls, the cramped, claustrophobic space reminded me very much of the film The Descent (which I remember my youngest sister watching with my dad when she was eight years old).
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How exactly the ghost managed to drag adult women through the air vents without getting the attention of the whole building is beyond me, but somehow he managed. Dean managed to pull a hank of blonde hair still attached to a bit of scalp from the air vent, so clearly being dragged through the walls and air vents damages the women. Does nobody hear this? Nobody? Anyway, Holmes presumably imprisoned all the women he kidnapped in the iron cages in his cupboard of delights sewer lair until they died. It is also assumed that the Superverse version of Holmes constructed his lair while he was still alive, and they had stood the test of time.
They manage to trap ghost!Holmes in his sewer lair with a ring of salt, then a while later Dean commandeers a cement mixer and fills the subterranean lair with concrete. I assume the viewer is meant to go away from this believing Holmes is now trapped forever since storms and floods cannot wash the salt circle away, but concrete is porous enough that water can get through it. My blocks of flats is made of concrete blocks, and because of a tiny crack in the roof I had to have half my bedroom cordoned off for several months at the end of 2019 and the beginning of 2020 because of water damage. It would take a while, but percolation will occur. All it would take is a tiny dribble of water, or a tiny bit of concrete breaking off and disturbing the salt. Once that is done, ghost!Holmes can pass right through the concrete and start killing again. So not the best plan there, guys.
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Staying with that scene a moment, the track playing while Dean cements the hole is called 'Dean's Dirty Organ', which is an interesting name.
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Which of Dean's organs is dirty, why, and why is this so noteworthy that a track is named after it?
Regarding ‘dirty organs’, I was supposed to laugh at Dean’s comment in the walls about ‘shoulda cleaned the pipes’, but I have no idea why, nor do I know why Jo acted as if it were an innuendo of some kind and was offended. How could one reasonably assume that Dean meant something like ‘Jo should have douched’ when there were pipes in front of them?
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There was supposed to be innuendo there, but I cannot see it. This is probably another one of those times the writer was trying to make a joke and lots of people act as if the joke was funny, but I remain nonplussed. Other examples:
13x12 Various and Sundry Villains Rowena asking Dean ‘Did they get to fifth base?’ after the witches magically roofied him. Why is Rowena asking Dean whether he engaged in anal intercourse with the women? That is oddly specific, not to mention gross and tone-deaf since any sexual intercourse he engaged in while under the women’s magical control would have been them raping him, regardless of who inserted what into whom. I do not know what I am supposed to be laughing at.
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Dean being a ‘meat man’ which is supposedly a reference to Dean finding men’s genitals sexually attractive. Dean DOES find men’s genitals sexually attractive, but none of the definitions of meat man I can find have anything to do with same-sex attracted men. Some say it means a well-endowed man, but then why does Sam act as if it is something weird? I am so confused. Is this a normal-person thing?
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One last note before I finish: Dean’s insistence Jo go back to Ellen is undeniably based in his own wish that he could have Mary back. Jo has what Dean cannot, and seeing her take that for granted must have grated on him something fierce.
Thus concludeth my analysis of 2x06 No Exit.
A brief aside to discuss The Winchesters
Having discussed the problems Supernatural had with plot, structure, planning, and pacing, it surprised me when I realised how much different Jensen et al’s prequel show The Winchesters is. At the time of writing, only six episodes have been broadcast, but I am enjoying it more than most shows I have watched in a long time. It reminds me of early-years Buffy, but doing its own thing. Like Buffy, it shows a far greater level of care and skill behind the scenes than a lot of Supernatural did. This is probably down to a few factors:
a) the show has a known point that it must reach
b) more time was taken before the show began to ensure it had a strong plot to start the show off, giving it more focus and direction
c) no weak links in the cast. At the moment, Jensen is carrying the weight of Supernatural on his back, and as much as I am in awe of his Herculean efforts, it is refreshing to see a show he made where everybody shares the weight equally.
d) no Eugenie, Brad, or Robert Singer
The akrida are present in the show from the cold open of the pilot, and their storyline comes up in every episode. Not only that, but each monster-of-the-week is tied in to the akrida storyline by means of the radio signals summoning them for the akrida to gather their essence. As well as that, each episode appears to be linked to an aspect of Dean’s own trauma and the issues he needs to overcome in order to find his own peace, leave hunting behind, and – dare I hope? – find Cas and finally hug him and say ‘I love you too’. Jensen’s own voice-over makes this clear for the idiots in the back.
Even subplots Supernatural did are depicted better in The Winchester. E.g. 1x06 Art of Dying episode paralleled a hunter who became a metaphorical monster due to childhood abuse and bullying with John who was suffering the effects of, among other things, watching his ‘friend’ get blown up by a landmine in Vietnam. Given the fact Dean (or Jensen not quite managing to do the Dean voice <3 ) narrates the beginning and end of each episode, it is also no challenge at all to link this to Dean’s story and experiences, and his need to let go of what John did to him.
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Those are just some examples of how The Winchesters is structured better than Supernatural. To be fair to the writers of Supernatural, there was a lot of hostility and competition in the writers’ room over the years, and if rumours are to be believed, Robert Singer was quite the tyrant and his wife Eugenie his right hand among the writers. We apparently have him to blame for what happened to Charlie, a character created by Robbie Thompson (thee show-runner of The Winchesters) and killed off in an episode written by Eugenie and directed by Robert Singer to put Thompson in his place.
I have bitched about ‘the writers’ in the past, but it appears the atmosphere was made toxic by a handful, and many writers’ plans and stories were sabotaged by people with greater seniority.
Speaking of John, as much as I hate Supernatural John, his alternate universe version in The Winchesters is much more likeable. I know the monster John becomes, but even so I find him infinitely more enjoyable to watch than Sam.
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spn2006 · 4 months
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the fact that eric kripke isn't even christian really adds something to the way christianity is depicted on supernatural. because its really not about being christian at all, but about living in america, a country dominated by christianity, and having to decide for yourself how to handle that. faith is huge in supernatural, and the mythology of the show is very bible-centric, but notably, christ is never there. even sam, who starts out revering the angels, who once said he prays every night, doesn't actually call himself a christian or imply that he believes in jesus--the show is steeped in christianity and biblical lore and yet neither sam nor dean are christians. in fact, over and over again the church itself is depicted as a haunted house that sam and dean will only ever enter as strangers, as outsiders. priests, preachers, faith healers, chapels, crypts, etc. are all just iconography that create an intense sense of unease that sam and dean respond to instantly. as a jew, its very relatable. an essential part of living in america when you're not christian is that exact sense of unease, of knowing that the culture of your country has ensured that you'll get knocked over by christianity no matter where you go, that you'll see hundreds of people truly believing they're good people while doing awful things in the name of their god, and you have no choice but to confront that. kripke gets it
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Ok so. "Why does this sound like a goodbye?" Was fucking heartbreaking, right; we have the full-on uninterrupted eye contact, the head tilt, Dean's already open mouth twitching before the scene cuts to Cas' "I love you," like he had more to say, but Cas beats him to the punch. It's great, we love that. But for the dialogue to be sequenced that way, and to have Dean reply with, "don't do this, Cas."
I'm only just realizing how fucking insane it was. And sure, I might just be coping here, at the end of the day who fucking knows, but look at it. Think about it. Now let yourself feel it all over again.
It's Dean's death knocking on the door behind Cas, and it's Cas' death emerging behind Dean. Like this, they're directly facing their own demise—but they're too stuck on each other, in their moment, to give a damn. And then Dean doesn't say, "I love you too." He says, "don't do this."
He isn't disgusted or ashamed or put off in the slightest by Cas' confession, because if he is then why is he on the verge of tears? In what world would it make sense for him to want to cry after his best friend confessed to him, if the confession was something he did not want. He says don't do this here, don't do this to me now.
Even if, and that's the most unlikely if to ever exist, Dean did not reciprocate Cas' feelings—don't do this is still so fucking powerful. Because Dean's connected the dots, happiness [...] is in just saying it, and Cas said it, so where does that lead Dean? That's right, with Cas dead again, trying to save him again.
Don't do this. Don't die for me, don't love me only to die for me, don't love me at all, just stay with me.
Don't let me watch you die again and not even let me follow you—because, at the very least, that was a consolation. She's gonna kill you, which Dean knows that Billie knows will hurt him more than his own death, and then she's gonna kill me.
"Don't do this," was actually so fucking powerful, I don't know how it slipped past me until now...
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creatorofarcadia · 2 months
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It's been a while since I watched Supernatural, so don't take my opinions as gospel or anything. But I think Dean is self-hating to the point of narcissism in some ways. Don't get me wrong, I empathise with Dean and understand why fans largely do too. But his self-loathing warps his perception and becomes the centre of EVERYTHING and at times that really has ripple effects on those around him - particularly Sam.
Take their childhood, Sam has a right to mourn the fact that he didn't get a normal childhood. He's allowed to be angry that he didn't get a home, a present father, a stable community, and consistent education. But whenever Sam attempts to express his complicated feelings about his childhood, Dean immediately interprets it as ' oh I was supposed to look out for you. Are you saying I failed? Are you confirming I'm worthless?' which grinds the conversation to a complete halt. Because of Dean's intense self-criticism, Sam can never really be 100% honest with him or ask for support with his own issues, especially regarding their childhood. As anything outside of 100% gratitude just becomes another stick for Dean to beat himself with, and the conversation is immediately derailed.
Not only does Deans self-hatred mean that Sam's expression of his own experiences are pretty consistently shut down. In some ways, I think Dean strips Sam of his autonomy - he's so self-loathing, he sees every decision Sam makes as being about/a reaction to him. A good example of this is Stanford. Rather than understanding Stanford for what it was, an attempt by Sam to carve out a better life from himself and escape hunting. Dean views it as betrayal or abandonment, some re-affirmation of his own belief that he's not worth caring about. Rather than understanding it's a rejection of hunting, he sees it as Sam rejecting him. To Dean, Sam isn't attempting to find a better life, he's punishing the family.
Overall, it's interesting that people largely and rightfully sympathise with Dean due to his self-hatred. However, I don't see as much discussion about how his self-hatred doesn't just hurt him, it hurts those he's close to, as it colours his interpretation of their every action. Dean's self-loathing is always the biggest thing in the room and that has consequences.
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rosedark88 · 10 days
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No personal Space between Sam& Dean
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suchawrathfullamb · 29 days
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my "hot" take on the show is that while it tried to dehumanize hannibal and make him seem like a god/devil, with no feelings, and apparently most of you do see him like that, I'm over here like "my bbg he has biiiig big feelings leave him alone" and "I trust no words that come out of Will Graham's mouth". I don't know what happened along the way but I ended up perceiving everything upside down from what they tried to depict lol
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pagannatural · 2 months
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2.03 Bloodlust
-Sam flirts with Dean by telling him (and the Impala) to get a room. Meanwhile he’s looking at Dean like this and the two of them are, literally, getting a room.
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-Sam tells the bartender “we’re looking for some people” and the bartender says “sure, hard to be lonely.”
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Sam blinks wide, grimaces. Dean looks at him, assessing. Sam looks down and then at Dean while he says “yeah, but, um…” slowly, then he regroups and pulls out a fifty, “that’s not what I meant.” There’s a sexual implication to being lonely and looking for someone at a bar, and the brothers share a very loaded look about it. It’s like this bartender accidentally hit on a truth.
Sam has been lonely for Dean. He’s been trying to get Dean to talk to him and spend time with him since their dad died, and Dean has been shutting Sam out emotionally. Sam knows Dean is lonely for him too, even though he won’t say it.
-Sam notices something is off when Dean says he’s been itching for a hunt. He and Dean also make prolonged eye contact after Dean kills a vampire and his face is spattered with blood, and Sam notices Dean is unsettled. They give each other strength just by staring into each others eyes. Sam’s always paying attention to Dean.
-Dean also notices right away that Sam’s off and asks him if he’s okay. Noticing Sam, for him, is less watchful and more like noticing the orbit of his own moon. Gravity’s off, something’s up with Sam.
-Sam went from correcting Dean every time he used Sam’s nickname to “he’s the only one who gets to call me that.” It’s so possessive, like he’s saying I’m his not yours. Dean notices and smiles to himself. Then he says “Sammy remind me to beat that buzzkill outta you later” you’re gonna do what to him later?
-Sam’s development from telling Dean he has to let him go to identifying him as the only one who can use his nickname is also the change from Sam seeking distance to Sam acquiescing to being Dean’s.
-Dean tells Gordon a story about killing a monster at 16 while Sammy waited in the car. He didn’t need to mention where Sammy was, he wasn’t a part of the story, but he has a condition* that makes him talk about Sammy to strangers whenever he’s not there (*wretched, soul-crushing love).
-Dean tells Gordon he always thought of his dad as indestructible. Now he’s questioning everything about his dad’s teachings and realizing the version of John in his head is not the only one.
-Sam says he sees through Dean’s fake smile and knows how Dean feels, because he feels the same way. When Sam says that Dean’s behavior is “an insult to [John’s] memory,” Dean kind of nods and raises his eyebrows like “you have no fucking idea” before punching Sam in the face.
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-For once, Sam is way off about Dean. He has no idea how Dean feels or what he’s dealing with. The idea of insulting vs honoring John’s memory is complicated for Dean right now. He’s seeing Sam being protective of John for maybe the first time ever and I can just imagine Dean thinking, I raised you, and the man you finally want to respect as your father asked me to kill you.
-Dean looks regretful after he punches Sam, like he’s realizing he took it too far, and Sam looks hurt and taken aback, his eyes searching to and away from Dean and his mouth open. And then Sam tells Dean, “you can hit me all you want. It won’t change anything.”
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There are some potential layers to that.
1. They’re arguing about something else here, at the same time—whether or not vampires can choose to act ethically or if they’re inherently evil. Sam implores Dean not to kill them, believing the former. Dean wants killing to be black and white due to Dead Dad’s Last Words reasons. Hitting Sam won’t make the issue any clearer.
2. Sam’s words could be interpreted as “you can hurt me all you want and it won’t change how I feel.” About Dean. Or “whatever you do it won’t change the way things are.” Between them.
3. Sam has been begging Dean to give him something real and emotional, he’s been pushing and pushing him to get a reaction, escalating and becoming more desperate. Now Dean has responded. He’s hurt Sam, but that means he’s touched him out of uncontrollable emotion—or better yet has chosen to inflict his feelings and needs upon Sam’s body. The pain is better than nothing.
It’s hard to be lonely.
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-When I first saw this scene I was shook. Dean hit his baby brother! My best guess is that Dean has never punched him like this before, outside of the context of sparring. I might be wrong about that, but the way Sam accepts the punch and turns slowly back to Dean with that disbelieving look felt too significant. I thought Sam was going to feel betrayed or scared, but Sam’s resolve strengthens, he gazes after Dean, and then he follows him.
And then things go right back to normal between them.
-Another thing Sam is missing is that Dean trusts Gordon partially because Dean can identify with Gordon. Gordon said he hunts vampires because vampires killed his sister, and Dean trusts another protective brother.
-Sam tracks the nest and Dean says “you’re good. You’re a monster pain in the ass, but you’re good.” Just like that they’re reconciled. Sam’s face is probably still throbbing, it’s been like 3 minutes.
-When Gordon pulls a knife on Sam and admits he killed his sister himself, it’s over for him. Dean is not having any of that.
-Dean punches Gordon in the face in front of Sam, then moves really close to Sam to tell him they can leave now. It’s like he wants Sam to see what he’ll do to anyone who threatens him. Dean is the only one who’s allowed to hurt Sam. He also asks Sam to punch him to get him back, so he clearly feels guilty.
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-Dean’s true nature is a huge theme in this episode. He’s trying to understand who he is. Gordon tells him that he was “born to hunt” and “a killer like me.” John wrote the same things about child-Dean in his diary.
At the end of the episode, Dean tells Sam that he has the instinct to kill and would’ve killed the vampires. That’s how he was raised, it’s what John told him to do. I love how Dean is a caregiver and a killer in equal measure, he takes naturally to both violence and nurturing.
Sam reminds him he made the right choice. Dean says “yeah cause you’re a pain in my ass.” He made the decision because of Sam. He’ll kill for Sam but he’ll also decide not to kill for Sam.
Sam says “I guess I might have to stick around to be a pain in the ass then.” Dean thanks him and gazes at him intently. Even here, notice the mention of their connection being painful.
Sam is now agreeing to stick with Dean not because of what John would’ve wanted but because he’s accepting his role as Dean’s guiding light, the one thing that gives him a sense of purpose and good.
Dean’s purpose is not killer or caregiver, but protector. He’s guardian of Sam’s soul.
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ananke-xiii · 3 months
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So... I don't think I'm feeling well...
I was rewatching spn 4x16 "On The Head of a Pin" as one does and...
Alastair tried to kill Cas by impaling him on... a rebar!
It can't be real, this show is soooo cruel... I won't post nor mention a certain death that happens during 15x20 because in my universe it didn't happen...
But I am flabbergasted.
Also, are we supposed to make the correlation "angel on the head of a pin" with "angel impaled on a rebar"? 'Cause my mind just did and now I'm forever changed.
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xxc0reyxx · 1 month
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dean and cas have abandonment issues but they deal with them in such different ways.
dean is terrified of being unloveable and of people leaving him, so he pushes them away before they can leave. because in his head, everyone leaves in the end, so why bother let them get close? he’ll just end up heartbroken in the end because that’s all he’s know, from his own family, his friends, partners, allies. they either end up dead or gone.
cas, on the other hand, is terrified of being useless because he had been created as a tool, a weapon for others to use, and was treated as one his whole life. every time he thinks he isn’t useful anymore he leaves because why would anyone want a broken tool? people always end up leaving when he doesn’t have power, or they make him leave with little to no explanation.
dean needs someone to stay when he’s pushing them away, to be reassured that even when he is at his worst they still love him and want to be around him.
cas needs someone to tell him to stay when he’s no longer useful. if he is asked to leave he will, because he is never allowed to stay for long and sees so little of himself.
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hauntedpearl · 9 days
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s12 destiel from dean's perspective is explanation enough for why dean is sooooo insane after that season. like.
- first he almost kills himself for the greater good or whatever and has to come to terms with like. dying. on purpose. and then he is given the gift of life but before he can be like yay! i can go home! his mom is back from the dead??? and his brother is missing???
- then his mom leaves him bc she wants to figure out who she is and even tho he's like a 38 yo man it fucks w him a lot understandably.
-they get arrested and put in SOLITARY for a while and when they finally get out and meet cas again (at which point dean has once again come to terms with dying for the greater good but also mostly his mom and brother this time), he KILLS THE REAPER THEY MADE THE DEAL WITH AND GETS ALL EMOTIONAL??? after which he proceeds to fuck off bc he is Busy™ tracking lucifer etc.,
- then they get a lead and CAS ALMOST DIES IN FRONT OF HIS EYES and throws an I love you in his goodbye speech for the lolz. which. hahaha. anyway cas lives but turns out his mother — with whom he's trying to connect so badly so he can achieve full Normalcy — was like. lowkey responsible for his almost death. so they're fighting now.
- cas receives a divine voicemail from his close friend and colleague and then they go on that case with Lily sunder and ISHIM BEATS CAS UP AND THREATENS TO KILL HIM and even after they beat him Lily Sunder is like. I'm gonna go do some soul searching and if im in the mood I'll come back and KILL YOU. THREAT. and cas is like 😔 fair. so you know.
- there is also an instance of him losing his memories which is scary. and it's like. being intimately familiar with that experience is. something else. as a memory loss girlie let me tell you 👍🏽😄
- and then!!!!! lucifer's unborn child mind melds with his wifehusband — once more in front of his own two eyes — and "manipulates" him into running away with the pregnant lady instead of staying and Figuring Out A Solution. and when they finally do find cas, they are with them for all of 12 hours before HE DIES. FORREAL THIS TIME. AND LIKE THAT'S IT. NO COMING BACK FROM THAT ONE!
this is not an exhaustive list bc i don't remember everything but. like you know. he was primed to get worse and worse. all things that happen in s12 are out of his control but they are also things that happen in front of his eyes, and in ways that make him think that perhaps he did have control over them and he did fuck up some way and he *should* have done something to change the course of their lives so he's filled with guiltshame about it. and he decides that the solution to not losing anyone in the foreseeable future is to just. Control Every Possible Aspect Of Their Existence. which is impossible and that's why he gets mad all the time but YOU KNOW. YOU CAN SEE WHY HE'S CRAZY. poor s12 dean man.
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samwinchesterdefender · 4 months
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sam winchester and dogs - analysis
nobody really seems to talk about this. the other day, i saw that clip of sam and dean going through the memory of the time sam ran away for the first time in a while, and it made me think. we only see sam with dogs a handful of times in the series, at least owning them, and there’s a reason for that— dogs are a symbol of imperfect happiness for sam winchester.
⚠️there will be MAJOR spoilers in this post⚠️
example 1 - bones
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we see bones in the episode when dean and sam are going through some of their best memories. one of sam’s is the time he ran away for two weeks and hid somewhere with a dog he found—bones—and lived off “funions and mr pibb”. people often criticize him for this in favor of dean, because dean tells him that john beat him for losing sam. however, people don’t really seem to mention the backstory for this (probably? not all the details line up, but this is seemingly the first time sam ran away) that we got for this later in the episode with sully.
in the episode, we get flashbacks of one part of sam’s childhood: dean and john were on another hunt and wouldn’t let him come with. he had asked sully, “ever think… about running away?” which sparked a conversation about sam’s future which ended in sam deciding to actually run away and ended with a cut back to present day.
sam had decided to run away because he was tired of feeling unvalued and hated the way he was currently living. he didn’t really hate his family— he was just a kid sick of being alone with no promise of change soon. when he ran away, though, he was still alone. he was just alone without promise of dean and john being home in a few days. he thought it would fix his problems, but it didn’t. he didn’t have the greatest relationship with john, but he did love dean. he didn’t really show it as a kid but dean was the only one who showed him real love, and he needed that. he didn’t have that anymore.
this is the first instance sam is shown owning a dog, and it comes after sam ran away for something he thought would fix his life but ended up not really measuring up in the end. he was ripped back from his little adventure right back into his old life. he couldn’t escape. he was free,
but he didn’t have dean.
example 2 - riot
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one of the WORST plot lines on this show. i’ll say that. weird choice for sam. regardless, it stands with the analysis.
we all know how sam hit the dog and went to live with amelia instead of looking for dean. it came from the idea that dean used that one time they had evidently agreed on where if one of them died, the other would live a normal life. personally i don’t think sam would have actually done this at this point in the show, but whatever. dean had lisa and ben, and this was sam’s version. sam’s chance at normalcy. we see bits of his life with amelia develop over multiple episodes, and he was even living with her. amelia made him happy. and they really showed that dog a lot.
the dog lived with them, obviously. the second instance of sam owning a dog. sam was trying to start this new life for himself of being a guy who settles down with someone and lives his life in peace. of course, that didn’t really end up working for him, as he left amelia to go back to hunting.
yet again, we have a dog present during a time sam was trying to escape his problems and start over. sam was starting to get this life for himself that he never really thought he would have, but that he always had as an unattainable dream. he was free,
but he didn’t have dean.
example 3 - miracle
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the final instance shown of sam owning a dog. dean had found this one, which, as we’ve seen from the takeaway of the two previous examples, was actually foreshadowing of dean’s death in the final episode.
unfortunately, we all remember how 15x20 starts with sam and dean in a semi-normal life. they’ve beat chuck. they’ve saved the world multiple times, and lost so many people in the process. they finally get some normalcy, while still keeping up the little hunting jobs. and then dean somehow dies on that damn rusty rebar.
immediately proceeding is what i can remember through heavy tears as an extremely sad montage of sam living his life without dean, permanently, with parallels to earlier scenes in the episode. then we get that shot of sam and miracle watching dean’s body burn.
dean had unknowingly found sam a companion before he died. this was what sam had left of his big brother. a dog. he took that dog with him when he left the bunker, and took care of him until the day he died. they had both loved that dog. sam had gotten a taste of a free life— a free life with his brother, unshackled by world-threatening evils. that was then forcibly taken away from him in an instant. he was once again alone. alone with miracle. he was free,
but he didn’t have dean.
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another tally on the “things about jack that have been almost erased by the baby au” is how genuinely fucked up and weird and scary and violent and horrifying he is. the body horror of his existence is so. Palpable.
he looks human, but he still fundamentally is not human, and the thing that separates him from being human or belonging or being normal and loved and accepted without strings attached is his own bloodline. his own family, his own father. the blood that runs through his veins is the blood of the devil and he wasn’t fed it like Sam. the anger and rage and capacity for violence inside him isn’t an ancient curse like it was for Dean. It’s just who he is. It’s his neurology. Jack enters a guilt/grief-induced psychosis so bad he starts hallucinating his own dead evil father who proceeds to say “I’m in your head, your DNA,” and goes on about how Jack’s place with the only chosen family he ever cared for is that of their little pet monster who’s only kept around to kill things for them. And this is his subconscious, remember, these are all Jack’s own thoughts being given a hallucinatory voice.
When jack is first born he doesn’t even register that he’s not a full human. It’s not until he catches dean telling the sheriff that he’s a Nephil and gets stabbed all the way through his entire heart to the hilt of the angel blade and survives, that he realizes he’s Not Normal. Jack stabs himself 18 times with “grim determination,” dedicated to making a wound stay open in his body, but nothing happens. He doesn’t know what any of this is, but he knows it’s dangerous and he’s seen firsthand what he can do, because he sent the sheriff careening backwards into glass when he didn’t mean to do anything more than push her away. He tells Dean he will hurt someone again [whether he means to or not]. And he tells Sam, using his powers is like breathing; it’s a subconscious, physical, neurological part of his system that he cannot (currently) consciously control or stop.
He’s literally a living weapon. These powers of his that hurt people are akin to breathing. His violence and his evil is deep seated and runs through his heart and bleeds out of him. But he can’t bleed the evil out. He can’t escape what he was born into or what keeps him alive. He can’t even live without this nuclear power that ostensibly others him from everyone forever. He’s foaming at the mouth and seizing and fainting and bleeding and going into total systemic failure and subsequently dying as a human because he just isn’t human and he can’t live as one even if he wants to, even if that is a part of him it still isn’t the only part of him. The other half that makes him untrustworthy and violent and angry and dangerous and nuclear and evil and feared and hated is the one part he is left dying without.
His body dies a first time because it couldn’t live without its own hereditary disease, he died as a human and goes to human heaven and sees and rekindles with his human mother, the part of him that he wants to be and loves but can’t exist as. He’s brought back but now he’s a time bomb, a nuclear reactor internally melting down. he’s a weapon, but he’s alive because he was born as a weapon, and neither of these things were his choice.
and then a second time his body dies because he was only registered as a threat with no humanity. his eyes are burned out of his skull and instead of heaven with his mother, instead of humanity, he wakes up in the pitch black abyss where other nonhumans go when they die, then he’s brought back and he’s a weapon for the third time. He’s a living bomb, a collapsing black hole, and he has to eat human hearts ripped straight from the chest to keep his bomb body alive and ready for detonation, ready for collapse. He’s so far from human, further than he ever wanted to be, further enough to make his deep rooted fear a reality that he’s too suicidal to bother rebuking. Why rebuke the truth? The absolute truth that the devil, the evil of all things is in his blood and he is evil and he was a born weapon whose body exists to destroy and kill and not even his own love or will can stop it.
He is a gun that doesn’t want to be a gun and hates that his body is made to shoot and kill, but he has no choice in being anything else but a gun. He cannot ever be good, he was never good to begin with, he was just malfunctioning, glitching, experiencing an error and virus and flaw that he wishes was his entire programming. His eyes glow yellow like the corrupted Star Wars Sith and Rosemary’s Baby and a whole slew of evil things that are evil and meant to be rejected. When he gets angry, people stare at him as if he’s a cornered animal, because that’s what he is to them. To both sides of the equation, he is an animal. A foreign creature, a thing, he’s not human enough to be human and he’s not angelic enough to be an Angel. He’s some weird mixture that nobody can understand or accept. He’s unpredictable and violent and wild and born that way and only in his subsequent domestication, only in the extension of personhood and humanity can he be deemed worth loving. He’s like a dog, detrimentally loyal, old yeller going rabid while saving his family and having to be shot in an act of mercy. Barking and biting at people who might hurt his loved ones and killing them as an act of love. Sam wanted Nick to burn so Jack burns Nick and that’s why Jack says they would be grateful. He did what Sam wanted. Same for the other biblical killings. He’s the cat sinking its fangs into rodents and birds. Leaving the punctured corpses on the doormat as a gift, I did this for you because I love you, don’t you love me too?
I haven’t eaten well in the past two days does this click click anyone’s boom. Saliva
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See, it's the cinematic choices like these that convince me destiel wasn't an accident or something added last minute, it had build up and it was sprinkled all over the narrative.
It's Dean grieving so much, in a way he never grieved for familial figures like Bobby or John—there is enough pain inside him that it shattered his belief that what he and Sam did was right, as hunters protecting the common folk. When, in times of multiple Armageddon-level crises and then some, that belief is what held him together. Because hey, we may have lost people (so, so, so many people) but at least it was for the greater good.
None of that, absolutely none of that, because this loss made him feel that the job wasn't worth it anymore. This was where he drew the line.
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It's Dean, literally gaining back that light in his life when Castiel called.
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And, at the end of the episode, there are slow, dramatic close-ups between Dean and Castiel. Because Sam's grief wasn't the same as Dean's, so Sam's relief at finally having Cas again is different from Dean's.
This moment belongs to them. To Dean, who's finally finding his faith again.
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creatorofarcadia · 1 month
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Literally replace hunting with any other risky profession and the idea Sam is selfish for not wanting to hunt kind of collapses. No one would ever suggest someone who doesn't want follow the family tradition of joining the military is selfish because hypothetically, them joining could result in someone not dying. It's absurd.
Season 1 John and Dean are really like, you don't want to die painfully in your 20s/30s after a life of constant fighting with no outside connections? Is this? The height of selfishness?
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rosedark88 · 5 days
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Sam is a badass….
I think so many people overlook Sam’s badass side, lets not forget Sam:
Took control from the devil himself.
Overpowered Demon Dean and was able to cure him.
His heroic action in Red meat episode, he was in injured almost dying, still he managed to kill the monsters by himself and drive back to the hospital.
He lead a team of hunters the fight against BMOL.
I dislike that people use his relationship with Dean as prove that he cant make decisions or take charge. The fact that Sam loves and respects his big brother, doesn’t mean he is weak or lack strength in anyways.
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lost-and-cursed · 2 months
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Some amazing analysis of themes in supernatural, how finale has broken them and how it could have been fixed
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