#starkid theories

[miss-holloday]

ALRIGHT SO HOW DID I JUST REALIZE

THE BLACK AND WHITE IS WEBBY’S WEB: ITS A CAGE??

Because

A. The web I spin for you - it’s Webby singing about trapping her brothers.

B. The witch in the web - “I can hold her just for so long” “her black and white cell”

The LiB can only be reached through the black book. They are all powerful? Why can’t they just kill everyone since that love it so much.

I think that Webby can hold them but only until a point. It’s literally like she has to babysit them. But when she’s distracted by a few of them, one of them slips their consciousness into the real world.

That’s why Webby warns Hannah about “two doors” because she knows her brother is up to something.

And she sings to her songs that will help her, because she cannot leave the black and white either, in order to hold her brothers at bay.

She can only seep into reality through cracks, or doors, to reach out to her. That’s why Webby keeps disappearing.

!!!!!!

#webby #hatchetverse #the lords in black #starkid theories #LiB #starkid #nightmare time #nmt #the black and white

[a-song-of-rivers]

Starkid fam I have thoughts about a lyric from The Summoning in Nerdy Prudes but I don’t know if I remember enough Hatchetfield lore to make it mean anything lol

In the song the Lords in Black sing

“We dancе around the pentagram

And take all our kingdoms back”

The taking our kingdoms back part seems significant? Like as though the Black and White is *not* their kingdom, but maybe they have been banished/trapped there and previously were rulers of their own individual kingdoms?

Although they have a lot of power and control if they’re meant to be trapped in the Black and White.

But maybe they have to achieve something each in order to regain power/their kingdoms and that’s why the timelines reset/there are so many alternate ones, because they aren’t achieving what needs to happen in order for them to ‘win’?

I remember seeing somewhere once, not sure if it’s right, that the Hatchetfield trilogy takes place in reverse - eg NPMD is first, then BF, then TGWDLM, in which case was this summoning of the LiB what starts everything that happens in all the other shows eg ‘you summon us once you summon us twice’ and ‘forever in our debt’? Like once it happens in one timeline they’ve been summoned in all of them? And Stephanie and the gang all belong to the LiB in every timeline because of the deal they made over Jagerman in this timeline?

Idk I just thought it was an interesting line and things in the Hatchetfield shows are usually quite pointed - would love to hear other peoples more coherent thoughts on this line!

#starkid #team starkid #Hatchetfield #nerdy prudes must die #the guy who didn't like musicals #Black Friday #lords in black #spoilers #starkid theories #hatchetfield theories #nightmare time

[littlesilentrebel]

ok so i managed to convince @jay-draws-gays to watch Black Friday, and when she got to the part when John gets to the black and white she asks me if the lib know him personally (i think he does) then she asked, "WHAT IF HE IS A LORD IN BLACK/something like that"

and i just. HOLY SHIT.

#john macnamara #general john macnamara #the lords in black #lords in black #jay-draws-gays #starkid #hatchetfield #hatchetverse #starkid theory #hatchetfield theory #hatchetverse theory #starkid theories #hatchetfield theories #hatchetverse theories #someone else tell me what else you think about this cuz GODAM

[enginespark]

I’m being insane about Nerdy Prudes must die and star kid lore again FUCK I wanna somehow fit other star kid musicals into the hachetfield extended universe

#nerdy prudes must die #nerdy prudes spoilers #starkid #starkid musicals #starkid theories

[blondephenobarbitol]

If you guys liked the whole "Stephs flannel matches Peter's suspenders and bow tie" thing then this costuming detail is in tgwdlm gonna fuck you up.

When we get our first scene with Paul and Emma, the two are dressed in their respective main outfits. These are the ones people tend to associate with them.

But throughout the show, as they get closer and bond, their outfits become more and more similar. Pretty soon Emma's lost the apron

Then at the professor's house, Paul loses the jacket

and by the time McNamara is infected, Paul has his sleeves rolled up and Emma's bow tie has come undone.

At this point, the two are at their most aesthetically similar, and also the closest they've been the entire show. This is moments before the helicopter crash and their failed kiss. They remain this way for a good chunk of time...until Paul comes back

It's like some fast-paced foreshadowing. Emma remains in her changed state, the same as her character, but Paul is back to square one. He's wearing the same outfit he was when they met, and they no longer align. She doesn't know who he is anymore.

I don't know if this was intentional (and if it was, no one explained it to Jon) but it plays out so damn well.

#tgwdlm #paulkins #paul matthews #emma perkins #starkid #hatchetfield #hatchetverse #theory #npmd #jon matteson #lauren lopez

[epitome-of-an-openbook]

No, because people keep acting like Grace Chastity being consumed with a lust for the power that Lords in Black provided her doesn't count as a world ending Cataclysm - but it very much does. Not only has she shown little to no empathy for others throughout the entire show and only ever felt bad for lying to authority figures and being horny - but the final song of the Musical is essentially a reprise of Max's Murder Song/Manifesto which places her as a parallel to Max. Max sings about how he's going to kill ALL the Nerdy Prudes and not once but twice tells the audience that it doesn't matter if someone is actually a Nerdy Prude because he makes the rules and gets to decide who is or isn't a nerd etc etc. Grace's take is that she is going to kill all the Dirty Dudes but she's literally singing it to a guy who has, throughout the entire musical, done nothing to indicate he's a pervy/dirty dude and only kissed her after she asked him too. Like Max, Grace Chastity doesn't actually care if someone genuinely fits the framework of her stated victimology, because she has the power so she gets to make the rules.

Honestly it's like some people didn't think about the implications.

#npmd #starkid npmd #starkid #nerdy prudes must die #grace chasity #max jagerman #nerdy prudes spoilers #npmd spoilers #nerdy prudes must die spoilers #the guy who didn't like musicals #tgwdlm #black friday starkid #starkid musicals #hatchetfield #hatchetverse #hatchetfield musicals #nightmare time #dirty dudes must die #starkid theory #hatchetfield theory #the implications #Promise me you'll think about the implications

[nobodysdaydreams]

One of the funniest things about “Hatchet Town” is that over the course of three musicals and Nightmare Time, most, if not a significant number Hatchetfield residents HAVE committed murder or been accomplices/accessories to murder in at least one timeline. To the point where if you randomly accused pretty much anyone in town of being a murderer, there’s a good chance you’d be right.

#A better question would be who HASN’T killed someone or been an accomplice to murder or manslaughter? #Shapiro was 100% right about the town being messed up #hatchetverse theory #starkid productions #hatchetfield #hatchetverse #star kid #starkid #team starkid #npmd #hatchet town #starkid npmd #nerdy prudes must die #nerdy prudes spoilers #npmd spoilers #nerdy prudes must die spoilers #starkid Productions #the hatchetfield series #starkid musicals #hatchetfield universe

[jesterbabey]

wait I just realised as soon as “fuck you Clivesdale go get fucked” starts, everyone is lit green ??

IS WIGGLY BEHIND THE HATCHETFIELD/CLYVESDALE BEEF

#nerdy prudes must die #npmd #the guy who didn't like musicals #starkid #starkid analysis #npmd theory #wiggog y'wrath #npmd spoilers #npmd analysis #jester's originals

[witchstormm]

I love forever and always, guys

#paulkins #paul matthews #emma perkins #forever and always #nmt #hatchetverse #starkid #tgwdlm #I love it probably for the wrong reasons? #I find the episode in theory really fucking funny #okay? #my art

[charlottesweetly]

The Clivesdale hospital redecorated, but I'm not sure they thought it through.

#hatchetfield #tgwdlm #starkid #PLEASE recreate the colour theory post w me lmao

[thelesbiandeli]

So it was said in TGWDLM that Paul used to babysit Alice for Bill. But in Black Friday, Paul forgets Tim's name, and calls him Pete. What are the chances that at some point, he babysat Pete for Ted?

This has probably been pointed out already, but I thought it was a fun detail, and it makes sense!

#hatchetfield #hatchetverse #peter spankoffski #paul matthews #ted spankoffski #tim houston #black friday #the guy who didn't like musicals #nerdy prudes must die #starkid #deli.chats #theory

[miss-holloday]

Okay I saw a post about what all the Ted Spankoffski’s are doing in the bastard’s box and that made me question…

Are there not different timelines in the Black and White?

Like if Tinky is all the same Tinky, then that would mean that the timeline split didn’t effect the Lords in Black/ The Black and White.

SO- does that mean that Miss Holloway or McNamara could run into a different version of themselves???

If not, then are there different Lords in Black, some who succeed in their timelines (Pokey and Wiggly in TGWDLM and BF) and some who are still trying.

But also that seems tough because that means that maybe whatever split the timelines WASNT caused by the LiB directly

#hatchetverse #lords in black #tinky #wiggly #pokey #starkid theories #the black and white #ted spankoffski

[musicalslugs]

Grace and the Lords in Black: an analysis.

Okay, so, this may be obvious; although I haven’t seen anyone mention this as of yet. The link between Grace Chastity and the Lords in Black is clear, I mean we’ve all agreed that she seems to be like that, and Dirty Dudes must Die highlights her “corruption” plainly.

That being said! I think there may be more.

Firstly, the Lords in Black mention/talk to Grace first, before Peter and Stephanie (the arguable proper protagonists of this story).

Sure, Blinky’s motif is obvious, it’s of eyes, of watching and of observation. But to speak to Grace first, even if it seems (on the surface level) that it’s just to flex their omniscience and make her uncomfortable, is a little strange. Especially since they then speak mostly (only) to Steph for the rest of the song [The Summoning].

Secondly, because if that were all this wouldn’t be a very good analysis, we have her (Grace) and Nibbly being echoes of eachother.

“Swallow” and “devour” are synonymous. Both fit into Nibbly’s motif of consumption. Now, Grace could’ve said anything. Absorb, harness, control etc. I think the wording here is particular. Not exactly the same, but clearly within the same ball park.

What is exactly the same though, is Grace Chastity and Wiggly.

This may seem a bit out of left field at first, but hear me out.

In The Summoning, it is said that “Wiggly wants his Wrath”, Wrath is a vice, a sin. It may not be the exact opposite of Chastity, however Chastity is to do with restraint, whereas Wrath is very much, not so. Moreover, Wrath can be defined as ‘a great anger that expresses itself in a desire to punish someone’. Now… who else could be described as wrathful? Obviously Max. And Grace. I mean, her song is called Dirty Dudes must Die. As well as being a direct reflection of Max, it implies that she wants to harm someone. Punish someone though? Well, yes. Grace says “This is the consequence of what you’ve done!” - she must believe that death is a worthy punishment for their actions (being ‘pervs’). Thus, Wrath.

Lastly, and this is where the exactly comes in, Grace and Wiggly both say the same things. (Again, of course, I could write another analysis on how Grace and Max reflect each other beautifully by also saying the same/extremely similar things) The difference between Grace saying similar things to Max, is that she and Wiggly aren’t similar. It’s the same.

Example A) Stephy / Stephie.

Upon rewatching Nerdy Prudes Must Die and listening to the album on repeat, I noticed that no one bar these two call Stephanie: Stephie. I know Grace calls Ruth, Ruthy and Peter, Petey- so her calling Stephanie, Stephie, makes sense linguistically. That doesn’t take from the fact that Wiggly is the only other ‘person’ to use that particular moniker.

Example B) “bloody bits”

A particularly strange phrase that these two say. However, not really. The point of this analysis is to point out the links between the Lords in Black and Grace Chastity, specifically Wiggly and Grace. By pointing out the parallels in their idiolects, I have come to the conclusion that they are not only linked but INCREDIBLY similar.

Both are characters that use cutesy, almost childish language (“mommy spot” / “belly-well”) to disguise the violence, the wrath that lays beneath the surface. Wiggly (as shown in Black Friday) uses it as a facade. Throughout Black Friday and throughout The Summoning, he expresses himself as non-threatening (“We’re all pally-wals.” etc) before eventually showing what’s beneath the surface (“..deck the fucking halls!” / “We don’t give a shit about your phone!”). Both times are as abrupt as each other, showing that Wiggly has a fairly short temper. Grace doesn’t necessarily have a short temper, instead she has periods of ‘sin’, when stressed: Dirty Girl, calling “God a son of a B-Word”, smoking (after), having sex with Max, the scene of her ordering hot water etc etc. The visage, her carefully constructed facade, slips. Wether it’s because deep down she doesn’t believe in God (possibly shown in her “are you religious?” conversation with Shapiro), or that due to her upbringing she’s being confined, restrained, controlled, and this is when her ‘true self’ begins to peer through the cracks.

Either way, these are two characters who use similar themes (one of childishness, the other of purity/innocence (which can also be linked to childishness)) to cover their violence, their real selves.

Uhhh- anyway, watch Nerdy Prudes must Die on Youtube- it gave me brain worms.

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[gone-to-oregone]

I’m sorry-

this scene in the YouTube release is called-

S. Lauter House.

Slaughter House.

#nerdy prudes must die #this is basically just feeding my theory that Solomon sacrificed something to Nibbly #to win the election #starkid

[thericeballofcamelot]

So, you know how tinky's whole thing is time travel and he says he wants the full set of Spankoffski brothers? - What if Pizza Pete... is actually Pete Spankoffski? Like, Tinky transports Pete to before the time split and like Ted, he's homeless at first, but he's a lot more resourceful than Ted and he sets up this tiny pizza business that eventually grows into Pizza Pete's. He builds a life for himself and he makes decent money - he's not happy though. He'll never be with Steph.

Imagine modern day Pete and Steph going to Pizza Pete's on a date and Steph decides they have to leave because the manager won't stop staring at her, but she doesn't realise it's because she was his best friend once - and she's still the thing he treasures above all else.

#Hatchetfield theory #Hatchetfield headcanon #Hatchetfield #pete spankoffski #ted spankoffski #stephanie lauter #tinky #t'noy karaxis #spankoffski bros #nerdy prudes must die #starkid #nightmare time #lautski #The only way we can know for sure is finding out whether or not pizza Pete is Joey Ritcher

[blondephenobarbitol]

If there's one thing TGWDLM fans are gonna do, it's think about the implications. And the implications of the opening number are crazy.

So. We know that the show isn't completely chronological since the opening number takes place before the meteor hits. So that song is a sort of "flash forward" moment. But when you think about it, we don't really know how far in the future it takes place.

What we do know is that by the time it's happening, Emma is infected. She has a little solo in it singing about how Paul is pining over a barista

And we know that this is meant to be an infected Emma specifically. Lauren had other characters in the show, if they wanted to avoid the Emma implication they would've just dressed her as one of those.

So we know this is meant to be Emma.

And Emma isn't infected until the very end of the show. She's dragged off stage during the credits. So since she's infected in the opening number, we know the number takes place after the events of the show.

Another important detail is that Paul is infected before Emma. He's the one that passes it on to her.

So back to the opening number, Emma is infected. Which means by just following a simple timeline, Paul must also be infected. He should be singing and dancing, right?

But that's not what happens. Paul misses his entrance.

If Paul is infected, then there's no reason he should be missing his entrance. Furthermore, if he's a part of a hive mind, there's no reason other members of the same hive mind shouldn't know where he is. They are literally all connected by one brain, and yet both Mr. Davidson and Bill express they have no clue where he went.

What I'm saying is that Paul is not infected. He was infected (again, we know that because Emma is infected and he was infected before her) but now he's not anymore.

I'm saying there's a way out of the hive, and Paul found it. That's the only explanation that makes sense given the facts of the situation. Sometime after the events of tgwdlm, Paul is able not only to break out the hive mind, but to hide from it.

And if he broke out, others could do the same. Maybe even Emma.

Edit because a countertheory has emerged: Yes it's possible that everyone is infected the entire time and the show itself is just Pokey replaying the events for the fun of it. But it seems unlikely to me. First of all, each of the Lords in Black has a distinct personality. They all are evil, but within that they seems to fall somewhere on a spectrum of "silly billy" to "prick." For example, Tinky is more of a silly billy. He toys with humans without much of a motive and more for just shits and giggles. But in every instance, Pokey's more on the extreme side of prick.

He's one of the few with an actual motive behind what he does. In Yellowjacket, it's confirmed that Pokotho hates the sound of anyone's voice except for his own. The events of TGWDLM don't happen because Pokey is bored, they happen because he is executing a plan. So I don't think that he would just have them play out their little scenario just to entertain him, especially just one small island? I just feel like he'd be more focused on world domination.

If the theory is that all this is happening after Pokey's already taken over the whole world, no one was successful in stopping him, then yes it's plausible, but still weird. There are a strange amount of things in that show you just think an eldritch god wouldn't include.

Edit 2: New evidence has emerged???

The Guy Who Didn't Like Musicals is loosely based off of Invasion of The Body Snatchers. Paul's last name is even a nod to the main character, Matthew. At the end of the film, Matthew survives, and continues living among the infected, pretending to be one of them. And wouldn't that be just such a fun little parallel...

Obviously it doesn't prove anything but the source material doesn't lie folks.

#the implications #starkid #hatchetfield universe #hatchetfield #paul matthews #emma perkins #tgwdlm #the guy who didn't like musicals #npmd #black friday musical #theory #fan theory #jon matteson #lauren lopez