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merrysithmas · 2 years

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STAR WARS without the force just feels like WAR WARS to me but in this series im here for it bc of the ripe-for-picking political exploration of the universe which has been overdue bc the prequels were over 20 years ago! and little subtle nods to the Force like "The Eye" of aldhani... beautiful!!

a star wars story without a force presence truly is muted in darkness and andor does a great great job at displaying that both narratively and visually with its somber colors, mist, shadow, pallid light and stretches of silence...

all those spaces? that dullness? that's the absense of the force and the light. no color, no sound, no happiness, no life.

& moral ambiguity for all (as the sith/empire is at peak power) and suppressing the light. so well done and not outright stated or obvious.

i think when ppl watch this show and cheer that there's "no lightsabers" they are missing the point of that decision. that the down-to-earthness, the War Wars of it, feels that way because the magic is, literally, gone. the force is gone.

which also reflects our own world.

#andor #also im def here for the lightsabers lol #in mando we have grogu #in rogue one we had chirrut #i miss when the force isnt there as the spiritualism is why i enjoy sw #but this series is so good that the lens turned to a diff aspect of the saga for a little while is dope #i really hoped in the new movies they were going to disband the jedi and sith and start smth new #but alas #like the bardottans and nightsisters and whills all understand the force #there's so much to explore there but in the spiritual realm of sw the Order has to remain as an achor of sorts in SOME fashion even in the #background #there's sooo much to say about andor and the absense of a formal force narrative and the moral ambiguity therein #but the ultimate struggle for freedom and justice #very cool #the absence of a force narrative IS a force narrative #(and obv the empire/sith at full power and this is purge era)#so anyway just talking myself into more ideas haha #a sw universe without a strong force presence is truly muted in darkness and andor does a great job at displaying that

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a-couple-of-notes · 1 year

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Okay but the frustrating part of Andor is that I know it's good, I am happy it's good, and I am aware that that is a net positive for Rogue One and Star Wars in general - but I can't help but think that this will skew so many discussions of Jyn and Cassian's relationship (and, to an extent, Rogue One as a whole) to just be about how Andor reframes Cassian's feelings/actions. Like there's so much Cassian content now that Jyn will get lost.

And yeah, I know that's a little irrational, and no fault of the show at all. I also think it's very fun to talk about how Andor reframes our understanding of Cassian! But Jyn's so interesting in her own right. I wanna talk to people about how "her line about people not sticking around when things go bad is even MORE meaningful than it was before" and "now Jyn's bitterness toward the rebellion/Cassian makes so much more sense" because I don't think we talk about the fact that Cassian wasn't the only child soldier in that ship NEARLY enough

I guess I'm just saying - Jyn deserves her own show.

#rogue one #andor show #jyn erso #cassian andor #rebelcaptain #i'm also always wary - as another tiny personal gripe #of people who say things like 'andor fixed rogue one'#i think you can totally say 'andor ENHANCED rogue one'#and i'm not gonna argue that the movie was perfect #but i think it does a disservice to the great things in rogue one #to imply that it could only be made whole or good by this other show

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thegirlwholied · 2 years

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retcons. they're a writing tool. they're not fundamentally a bad tool. though I greet them more often with an "ugh, retcon" than a "nice, retcon"-

and that's often because they're overwrites. sometimes carelessly so, the 'didn't pay enough attention to what came before'/'guess I changed it' route. And sometimes retcons are the 'that's not the story I want to tell now or I can do better than that' route.

Andor is doing the second type of retcon, and interestingly so, because there wasn't a whole lot there to retcon *and yet* they are managing to do that.

When Rogue One came out, Disney dropped a bunch of expanded universe material. The NEW expanded universe, because they'd already ditched the old one, to avoid conflicts; this new one could be consistent (ha, ha, ha).

In those 2016 detail books we got the facts on Cassian Andor's backstory: from the planet Fest (clearly carefully chosen for its old EU history), father killed during a protest against militarization on Imperial Academy planet Carida (another world with EU history), involved with a Separatist cell from age 6 on...

Anddd anyone who'd read those extended materials knew Andor the show was ditching that backstory within seconds of him dropping the name 'Kenari' in context that was immediately clear it was his home planet. I appreciated at least getting a nod to the backstory we had since 2016 with dropping that his 'cover story' planet was Fest. They definitely were aware and chose not to go that route. And that's OK! they have a story they want to tell, they're digging into some interesting themes and meanings and...

Well. Either way it's a retcon. A minor one that 97% of the audience will never notice or care about. And yes they're still keeping to the spirit of that key line in Rogue One-

"I've been in this fight since I was six years old"

- clearly the mining disaster on Kenari presumably happened when Cassian was six years old. So his childhood was ruined by the Empire then and he's been resisting them ever since, it's not that it renders it untrue it's just-

it's just that he's pulling a moral high ground with that line over Jyn whose life was also ruined by the Empire at eight years old and was raised as a child soldier by Saw Gerrera, a character whose very name is designed to evoke guerilla warfare...?

I mean a Cassian who's already been in prison and is scrapping by and sticking it to the Imperials all he can, drawing those character parallels between them even closer then are we, but the whole crux of that (excellently written & filmed I'm still not over it) argument hinges on Cassian's relationship with/committment to the Rebellion above all else. The show's retcon has just... shortened that relationship. By quite quite a bit.

And there is now some unintentional irony, from this retcon, if Jyn was actually (via Saw's cell) part of the Rebellion longer than Cassian.

...it's fine, it's fine, tbh watch them retcon Jyn's backstory soon enough, it's a very minor retcon and maybe future episodes will reveal Cassian has been doing more actual rebelling than it seems and... nonetheless. Ugh retcon.

#andor #andor spoilers #cassian andor #rogue one #does no one else think kenari sounds a little too much like kenobi #I'm not saying fest is a great name but goddammit it was a planet that existed #i really don't understand why so many of the Disney movies/shows (except Mandalorian to a degree but even Rogue One my beloved did this)#refuse to use and build on old EU planet names #there's a frigging galaxy map #there's decades of source material #and every fan fic writer out there seems capable of doing research and crafting creatively off those details #yet it's mostly just been new planet after new planet #i do like that they name dropped Wobani in Andor #I'm not saying i dislike the show!#the choice to retcon feels a bit dismissive of the work of the writers who put together all those Rogue One books and those who bought?#it's by no means exclusive to this show this kind of thing happens all the time #my writing philosophy is just more 'work with what you have' vs 'this is a round peg and i want a square hole so let's make it a square'#that sounds harsher than i mean it to- sometimes the square hole is the better hole!#but just #ugh retcon

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moonfromearth · 7 months

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- Scary movies are so easy to survive. They never think to just move out or call the cops or something.

Day 4 - The Outcast

"Responsible and level-headed, they're often perceived as a 'Debby Downer.'"

from @windbrook's Slashed Challenge.

#you know that one guy who has plans for how to survive like #any survival situation #always guesses endings #and rolls their eyes whenever a movie character walks into an “obvious trap”#that's this guy #i don't mean to say that anyone who does those things is a horrible person or anything #but this character in particular is made to be obnoxious 😆#that's just how i kind of interpreted the description and this character trope manifested #like he's a know-it-all that manages to simultaneously insult everyone around him #if you know what i mean #😅#anyway #i do think his character is fun though as i'm writing it out despite him being made as an annoying character #he was in the building developing photos for a project in the dark room #once the group bands together for survival purposes he decides to go rogue and just call the cops for help #~however~ while he's on the phone is when he gets... well... ~slashed~#which i thought about in waaay too much detail #but it's important to day 10's character #the detective #so yeah at this point i've pretty much just plotted out a full slasher story #holden mccauley #day 4 #the outcast #windbrookslashed #sims 4 #ts4 #sims 4 screenshots #ts4 screenshots #tw murder mention #tw death mention

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oreolesbian · 11 months

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#andor #star wars #sw #good sw - like ACTUAL good sw #the fact that there’s no stupid ass nostalgia or cameo bs that disney does #they don’t even bring in jedi or the force bc they know it’s not this story #they made this shit an hbo series #and yeah - it feels so different from sw’s usual vibe but it’s so true to the universe #it’s WONDERFUL #this is the ‘edgy dark lord’ that tlj failed to do #bc tlj had shit world building #andor out here just … mmm i love it #so SO glad the only good disney sw movie (rogue one) gets the only good disney sw show (andor)#like yeah our bar is really low here - but this show has no right being this good #cassian is the protag for his own show but it’s also balanced w/ amazing cast of characters who are all so intriguing #and they have CHARACATER #no forced bs just cause #ahhhhh #the appeal of star wars is the stories - its why the legends are so beloved - and this has only added to it #i’ll continue saying this feels like a legends novel i would never shut up about

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jenevawashere · 29 days

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Does anyone who follows me get this joke? It’s ok if you don’t. I just thought I’d share this silly thing I made

#star wars #rouge one #star wars rogue one #the bothans #many bothans died for this information #the movie was made to fix a plot hole #and yet #none of them are bothans #what even is a bothan?#does anyone know?#anyone?!#ANYONE?!?!

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eskawrites · 1 year

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you have no idea how seriously i’m contemplating making some tenar/lark fanart. they live in my head.

UM i would die. just keel over right then and there

#do i even describe them enough in the fic for fanart?#does it even matter?#nancy is a princess with a sword robin is a rogue-type with leather armor that's the only important part #anyway #asks #anon #me when i started this fic: don't go too into the movie characters it's confusing and unimportant #me now: the tenar and lark fandom is Everything To Me #celebrity fake dating au

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princesssarcastia · 1 year

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in this land of milk and honey, we're too shy to say we're thirsty

here, have 1.5k of fic i just wrote about mission: impossible: rogue nation. AU of the scene where Ethan Hunt wakes up a captive of the Syndicate, where Ilsa Faust gets to run the interrogation the way she wants to, instead of being interrupted by the Bone Doctor. title from “Little Mercy,” by Doomtree. read it on ao3 here.

“What Vinter and the rest of his stupid ilk never realize is that torture doesn’t work, especially on their own kind. Pain is cheap.”

Ilsa grabs her tools by rote memory, uninterested in taking any care in the work she’s about to do. This isn’t the first time she’s worked someone over for Lane, and it won’t be the last time; she needs to stay numb to it, numb here in the moment and numb after his latest acquisition bends and twists, numb when she has to stand there in the aftermath as the others move in to take what they want from him, numb to the part of her that wants to perk up at the praise following a job well done.

The door groans under its own weight when the guards push it open for her, and she sees the man tense ever so slightly where he’s tied to the post. Conscious, then, but not quite awake. Her heels click in the silence after the door slams shut.

She leaves the lights off; the shadows help, sometimes, with some agents. Paired with the right kind of drugs, the right kind of touch, darkness can add a dreamlike quality to an already intimate process. People like them feel safer in the dark.

This one is dangerous. Lane wouldn’t take such a personal interest if he wasn’t. So, she slips off her shoes, sets them on the table with her tray and her jacket, unbuttons the top button of her shirt and rolls up her sleeves.

Ilsa turns around and—

He’s awake now.

He’s staring at her.

She stares right back.

The moment yawns and stretches between them, arching languidly. Ilsa breathes in sharply, quietly, and takes a step toward him, still caught on his eyes—although the rest of him is hardly a chore to examine.

He doesn’t move, focused intently on her. Assessing. Calculating. It feels—it feels a little like when Lane looks at her, like he’s cataloguing her expressions and picking apart the things that make her tick. But it doesn’t make her want to curl up and hide when this man does it.

“Nice shoes.”

Ilsa blinks, then quirks her brow, amused. That’s a new one.

“American intelligence, yes?” A soft opener.

He tilts his head, silent, but clearly not buying that she doesn’t already know.

“But not the CIA,” she continues, moving closer in even steps. “No, you have too much personality for that, I can already tell.”

Now he’s amused, letting his lips twitch, but he keeps his silence. She starts turning his reactions in her mind, letting her gaze fall over the whole of him to catch them all. This one is a talker; she just needs to get him started. And stop getting distracted by his eyes. There’s something about them that draws her attention, but Ilsa can’t figure out what.

“How long have you worked for the IMF?” She stops well outside of his reach but still close enough to see his chest rise and fall minutely with each breath. If she focuses, she imagines she might be able to see it twitch with the beating of his heart.

“How long did you work for British intelligence, before you turned traitor?” He fires back. Right on the money. Not that it’s a difficult guess, given where he is and how she speaks.

“Twenty years,” she says calmly, and watches him mentally turn on a dime, reassessing. “They recruited me right of secondary school. I imagine it was much the same for you. Sometimes, they catch people later, but MI6 knows how to recognize a good asset in the making fairly early.”

Ilsa takes a step closer. “The agency was my whole life. It consumed all my time and energy. My waking hours and my sleeping ones. And I was…eager to please. An excellent agent, willing and capable of doing anything they asked of me. It was hard, sometimes, but in the end it was worth it because I knew everything I was doing was for queen and country. The greater good,” she adds, letting her mouth twist wryly.

He watches her for a moment, and she lets him, lets the silence sit, lets it build. It’s an obvious enough cue, and he’s curious enough now to take the bait. He wants her talking as much as she wants him talking, neither of them in control nor sure they have the upper hand, yet.

“What changed,” he asks finally, and Ilsa’s gaze catches on his eyes again.

“I woke up,” Ilsa takes three steps to her left, changing the angle of approach. “I realized, one day, that I only thought I was fighting for the right side because it’s what I chose to believe. None of my experiences actually supported that conclusion.

“Have you ever killed an innocent person, Ethan?” She doesn’t wait for his answer. “I know I have. On accident, sure, as an unintended casualty of my mission; but on purpose, too. Sometimes it was the mission. To make things easier for MI6, for my handler, for England. For their convenience.”

Now he shifts, the cuffs on his wrists and ankles clinking. He doesn’t respond, but she can see it in his eyes. He has. Of course he has. No one in their line of work hasn’t.

That fact of life actually bothers him, unlike Lane and the rest of the men here. The same way it bothers her when she forgets to be numb.

She knows what it is in his eyes, now, that’s pulling at her attention.

His eyes are kind. He looks kind.

It’s impossible.

“I realized I was only loyal to them because of a lie I was telling myself. And that loyalty certainly wasn’t returned. The agency doesn’t exist to care for its agents, it exists to use them up until there’s nothing left. How many times did they leave me out in the cold, dangling in the wind, to survive or die under nothing more than my own ability?”

“That’s the job,” he says, with a hint of condescension. It grates. He probably means it to.

“That doesn’t make it right, the way they treated me. The way your government treats you.”

His eyes shift. He knows her game, now, has mapped out the path she wants to take, the weak spots she’s aiming for. The muscles in his limbs tense and relax minutely, imbued with the strength of surety, surety that what she’s trying to do won’t work.

But his faith in himself is misplaced, because now she can tell he hasn’t realized yet that what she’s saying is true. He’s like her, two, five years ago: unable to value his own life. What his handlers do to him doesn’t matter because he doesn’t matter; you can’t hurt someone if they don’t see themselves as person capable of being hurt. It’s fine if they use you because you’re letting them. You’re a tool; if you’re not being used, then what’s the point of you?

The truth is, it does matter. It does hurt them. And they only let themselves be used because the right people broke them at the right time, cracking them wide open to let someone else in to twist them into knots.

Truth will out. It’s more powerful than people like them, steeped in lies and deception, ever expect, which is why Ilsa is so fond of using it.

Faster than the eye can properly see, she lunges for him, sinking her needle into the meat of his bicep and depressing the plunger. Too quick for him to stop, although he pulls his legs up to kick her in the chest and send her sprawling.

Truth will out. But of course, the drugs help.

His kind eyes blink rapidly, then slowly, clearly tensing to try and fend off unconsciousness that isn’t coming. Oh, it won’t knock him out. Unconscious is no use to her. But it’ll ease the way for the truth; make him more pliant, more sociable, more open to suggestion.

What Vinter and the rest of his stupid ilk never realize is that torture doesn’t work, especially on their own kind. Pain is cheap. Their bodies are disposable, their lives are disposable. Ethan Hunt would happily die for the IMF, for the greater good, probably even for his fellow agents. He’s a fighter, this one. He’ll die before they break him.

But if Ilsa can lay the truth of their lives out in front of him in ways he can understand, it will plant seeds of doubt his lived experiences can’t help but nurture. Doubt is more dangerous than pain.

Ethan Hunt and his kind eyes will never work for Solomon Lane, not after Lane shot that poor woman in the head in front of him. Not after Lane made him feel helpless—and she’s sure Lane did, it’s his favorite way to make people feel, and he’s spectacularly good at it.

She just needs to make sure Ethan doesn’t work against them. Finding the ways his handlers have made him feel helpless is a good place to start.

Ilsa waits for his pupils to blow wide and his pulse to slow in his chest and neck before she starts. She stays where he put her on the floor, only shifting enough to sit up.

“How long have you worked for the IMF, Ethan?” She asks softly.

One breath. Two breaths. He blinks again, licks his lips.

And tells her.

#mission: impossible #m:i rogue nation #ethan hunt #ilsa faust #fic #mission: impossible fic #fanfic #my fic #when no one interrupts her interrogation #ilsa unfortunately doesn't have the opportunity to help ethan escape #so things unfold very differently #still completely captivated by the fact that these two had a 'same hat!!!' moment #with one of them tied up and the other preparing to interrogate them #anyway all the covert operatives in this movie are fundamentally broken #and incapable of recognizing their own worth as human beings #the ones that realize it only do so when its too late to back out #ethan hunt? never does #unless...#ilsa is still working for mi:6 here to be clear #because she knows lane is bad news and needs to be stopped #but she has no love or loyalty for her country anymore #they finally beat it out of her #(its why lane lets her stay. its why he 'believes in her potential'#because he can tell she see the system for what it is)#(he's just arrogant enough to believe he can make her sign on with him with the same loyalty #that she once showed mi:6)#if you're wondering why the hell i'm writing mission impossible fic now #good news! i am too #no fucking clue how i ended up here

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