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ccuniculusmolestus · 5 months
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Bunny Corcoran: Mother, Women and Sexuality (Masterpost)
Apologies for the shitty quality screenshot, idk why their quality got butchered.
Anyway I divided this thing into IV parts.
Intro
Camilla
Marion
Henry
INTRO & DISC.
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Not to be a bunny apologist literally, he's sexist piece of shit, but you know whats funny? The way this fandom absolutely REFUSES to acknowledge the fact that, despite Richard's shady ass describing Bunny as "homophobic but not in a repressed way", Bunny could very well be gay or bi at the very least. The fandom just doesn't want to see it because he doesn't form "convenient" enough ships with major characters (he does. You guys are just cowards.)
Yes I know, sexist hetero men despise women just for being women, but they view women purely through a sexual lens. But Bunny's prude ass was NOT a pervert. I mean, this is the guy that got triggered when Richard asked him about his hickey.
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Yes yes sexually repressed people can act prude-ish in front of people but be total pervs when alone, but nothing at all hinted at Bunny being a pervert who viewed women as walking meat bags. I just find it weird that the only two female companions he had (Marion and Camilla, aside from Judy bcs we never see them interact) he just...didn't like them. Camilla he was good to, occasionally, in a very platonic way ("paternalistic stance").
CAMILLA
And you know what drives me crazy? In this group of 5 boys and 1 girl, Bunny was the ONLY one who was never inappropriate (sexually) or sexual with Camilla. Even the openly gay guy in the group had kissed her at least once. Even her own brother-- not finishing that. Henry slept with her too. Richard kissed her, and wanted to sleep with her. Not Bunny. Yes, Bun was cruel to her in other ways, ordering her around, saying she was intellectually inferior, but he showed ZERO romantic interest in her. Which is kind of ironic to me. The only homophobe in that group was the only one not acting straight.
MARION
With Marion, my god, the way this boy behaved.
He called her his "reason of being", the purpose of his existence, but he could barely tolerate her. She was only a clip holding him together from those parts where he was falling apart; wounds left from a neglectful mother. Lets not mention how Marion is sort of an underdeveloped image of his mother; delicate, blonde, somewhat haughty.
That bitterness he probably feels towards Kathy was then pointed to Marion. Its so freaking clear that Marion is filling the "Mother" role in Bunny's life. She's "feminine" (a trait often associated with motherhood and vice versa), she's "bossy and businesslike". I don't need to explain this, I'm sure.
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But watch Bunny's reactions to her; hes submissive for the most part.
For a man who's so incredibly sexist, it doesn't make sense for him to choose such a woman as his partner, does it? Now, either Richard entirely fabricated or exaggerated Bunny's sexism in order to justify his murder, or
His "dislike" for women didn't stem from the weird sexual obsessions misogynists tend to have, but from something else. It could be, purely, his mommy issues, or something else.
You know that whole, Bunny calling Marion that title, but treating her like a chore just reflects what a big performance his relationship truly was. He didn't love Marion, perhaps he liked her, appreciated or cared for her, but he didn't love her. Marion was, like every other thing in his life, just an element to uphold an image of himself. Potential beard? Maybe.
HENRY
Bunny's true "raison d'etre" might have not existed. The only person he could be said to gave been obsessed with was, truly, Henry. And im not just saying this for the sake of it. Bunny was invested in and attached to Henry, perhaps a result of his financial dependence on him.
I don't know guys, I just don't think its normal to snoop around your best friend's things often, or make multiple attempts to read their journal--
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this boy was DESPERATE to know the inner workings of Henry's mind. Mind you, this is BEFORE Bunny found out about the murder, or had reason to suspect Henry for anything. Henry's said he was always nosing around for it, and he mentioned Bunny was an "obtrusive" roommate -- meaning this was normal occurrence for him around Henry. Yes, he was also kind of like this with others (Stealing stranger's foods, stealing Charles' cooking literally as he works in the kitchen) but neither of these required a sense of interest in the person he was stealing from. It was to serve his own needs.
Bunny also shows a reluctance to lose Henry.
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After their fight, he's so overwhelmed that he doesn't know how to react (mentioned by Henry himself), and his first instinct is to try and cling onto whatever shred of normalcy there was left between them. Despite knowing the numerous cruel things Henry had written about him, Bunny just took it. He stayed somewhat amiable to Henry later. Yes, yes. He got annoying about "the blackmail" (or his inability to keep his mouth shut) but Henry and Francis BOTH tell Richard that Bunny doesn't see what he's doing as "blackmail".
In fact, i think Bunny the fool was trying to get "in" on the feeling of being in on a secret. Image below is regarding that German that started following them in Rome.
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But his immediate reaction of pretending everything's fine isn't the first or last time he tries to keep things cool with Henry.
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Henry, despite having to deal with Bunny's worst tantrums, was still treated with a degree of respect that seemed to be reserved only for him. Was he afraid of Henry? Hell no.
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Bunny was never afraid of insulting Henry, or fighting with him. But he rarely ever got personal with him. Yes yes he complained about the money and every little thing, but the way he went after the rest of the class? Targeting their weaknesses? He would've known Henry's weakness, he was perceptive enough. But he didn't. He still treated Henry with respect. Deference. Described as "polite submission and respect".
With Henry, Bunny was totally emotionally vulnerable. Henry reactedd explosively twice during their arguments. The first is when he slapped Bunny so hard that he "left a big white mark on his cheek", and the second where he broke that chair when Bunny was fighting him in his room. Despite losing control, Henry maintained a level of composure. Bunny never did. He became hysterical each time, screaming and becoming violent the first time, but sobbing himself to sleep (IN HENRYS BED) the second time.
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He slept in his bed. There was literally no reason for him to do that.
Except maybe he craved closure. Maybe he just missed his best friend. Maybe he was too shaken up to move from his spot.
And I don't want none of you fools being all "Henry didn't gaf about Bunny."
This is Henry's reaction to Richard essentially saying "You thought Bunny wouldn't be a problem??" And then reiterating that they're old friends.
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Do you even understand the implications of that last line? Bunny, whose entire being was hidden under a carefully crafted persona, admitted his family's SHORTCOMINGS with HENRY. Bunny, whose image was everything for him. Perhaps his image WAS his raison d'etre. Bunny, who lived life as an illusion of his true self, projecting away his insecurities. Bunny, who would never admit that he was poor, that his family was flawed in any way, told Henry this. How many more things do you think he confessed, or what other parts of his past and home did he reveal?
Yes, he could have just been telling Henry those things to mooch him off, but he also mooched off his other friends.they didn't know a thing. Marion, who I believe his family hadn't met yet (?) Probably didn't even know. Amd if youre from a dysfunctional home, you already know the only people you've told about your home are special, hand-picked.
Henry was also the first and only person Bunny told about Camilla/Charles.
Perhaps it hurt him, being left out of such a major events of Henry's life because Bunny was sharing practically everything with him.
Alls I'm saying is, Henry meant more to Bunny than most people realize (and dare I say, vice versa), and the only reason people don't see it is because RICHARD didn't see it (fool saw the potential of the dynamic but then was like "nah bunny's too ugly for that").
Bunny was most definitely either a repressed bisexual/gay man, and you cannot change my mind. And while his hatred of women is vile and inexcusable, it stemmed from a place of deep personal issues and insecurities.
Anyway. I'm done rambling LOL.
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smol-soop-spoon · 5 months
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I tthink we need to make something clear and it's that the guys of the greek class get pegged. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
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barnbridges · 9 months
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do you ever think about how Marion's got relatively 0 mentions and yet gets shifting characterization (that even contradicts itself within 3 sentences) and seems solely based off ill intent or judgement from the classics students, but we ignore that because... it's so small and the book already is drippinging with elitism and the male gaze of our narrator and his friends, we don't have time for background girls that are concerned for their boyfriend.
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an-architect-of-words · 10 months
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Just a theory about Francis’s fight with Marion
Was it about Charles?
Francis says Camilla and Charles are jealous over each other, but that Charles is worse. He says something like “Camilla is more reasonable and maybe she needs to be.”
Interesting, but I was trying to think if there was even one time this whole book Camilla was jealous or annoyed of a girl because of Charles. My wild theory is that, maybe, Marion? She didn’t hang out with them and the reason was that she didn’t get along with Camilla and had some huge catastrophic clash with Francis that nobody liked to discuss. We see later that Marion latches onto Charles at the funeral. This could just be that he was the one who called her when he and Cloke went into Bunny’s room. And it says when Marion is introduced that she gets along with Charles best of the group because he’s friendly and good with kids. But Richard thinks it’s because Charles is the best looking of the guys (kinda cynical now that I consider it. Especially because he says at the start that Charles is approachable).
It would tie these things up if somehow it became clear to Camilla and Francis that Marion liked Charles. This somehow causes conflict between Marion and Camilla— and the huge argument between Marion and Francis. But I guess she’d have been, at the very least, emotionally cheating on Bunny then.
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bazberkker · 11 months
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Little things in TSH that I had missed or forgotten the first time I read it:
It took Richard a whole year of pestering the college to let him in. It really proves how obsessive he is
Richard bumping into Francis in the hall before he joins the study group and being like: “Wowee I can’t believe that guy touched me. That was so cool; he was SO cool :D”
Francis talking to a cat he found on campus 🥹
CHARLES AND CAMILLA HAVE SLIGHT SOUTHERN ACCENTS
Julian loves flowers and keeps a bunch in his classroom
Richard’s Totally Real Car, Christine
Judy costuming, in her own words, “fucking As You Like It” implying that she also has to study obnoxious literature for her classes
Bunny genuinely believing Francis is as smart as Henry
Bunny is the only person who can make Henry laugh 🥺
Francis had a relative who died on the Titanic
Bunny would hide out at Richard’s whenever he pissed Marion off
Francis used to read Richard’s French homework out loud for him
Bunny’s hero is Caesar
Henry’s middle name is Marchbanks
Francis is a fan of the Boston Red Sox
The twins shrug with one shoulder
Henry finds Gucci “rather grand”
Charles’ wild cat that he forces Francis and Richard to bring to the farmhouse
Richard reads Proust *cough, cough, kinda gay, cough, cough*
When Francis is in the hospital in the epilogue, Richard reads “Our Mutual Friend” to him which, according to Goodreads, is about “the unfailing power of wealth to corrupt all who crave it.”
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strawberry-library · 6 months
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modern TSH au headcanons
Bunny has every social media app under the Sun. he’s always uploading pics of himself, him w/ Marion, the Greeks students, and his family
the only devices Henry would have would be a flip phone and a simple laptop. you’ll barely be able to reach him. He wouldn’t even think about getting a smartphone unless Julian mentioned having one and its perks
Camilla loves listening to Lana del Rey, Fiona Apple, and Ethel Cain
Francis has used every ice bar flavor out there
the Greeks class adore dark academia (while also promoting its elitism and Westernization because they are rich (sans Richard) assholes)
Judy runs an instagram account called @/hampden_affirmations. all of the Greeks class students have been targeted by her posts at least once
the Greeks class still wear their noticeably formal clothes, but they are constantly asked by the others if they thrifted it/bought it from Depop
Richard has a secret TikTok. he would be devastated if one of the other Greek students found it (Bunny found it).
Charles is obsessed with cute animal videos. he would send them to the rest of the Greeks class
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welivetodream · 8 months
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Some happy TSH Headcanons:
Henry and Bunny bonded because they are both flat-earthers (sometimes they like to talk about it in front of Francis just to annoy him)
Camilla likes to grow flowers and Henry helps her in gardening.
Bunny likes to throw surprise birthday parties for his friends (they end up paying the bill).
Charles and Francis do role-play when they are bored.
Richard likes reading books a lot and since he isn't able to afford many, Henry gives him all his old copies.
Francis goes to Richard whenever he is sick ("I think I have Cholera" "You don't have Cholera, Francis")
Camilla and Francis bake together, they like gossiping about boys.
Charles calls Richard whenever he is drunk since no one else picks his phone (they know better).
Francis brought a house in Paris, he visits art galleries and boutiques.
Francis and Richard remain good friends despite their distances.
Camilla is secretly Julian's favourite student.
Bunny has a key to Henry's house because he sleeps there when Marion is mad at him.
Charles loves Champagne icecream, Camilla loves apricots (idk why but she looks like an apricot girlie)
Henry bought a Gucci bag for Francis's birthday ("Damnit Henry" "Why, I think it's rather grand!!!" )
Charles and Camilla have similar tastes in fashion, they buy their clothes together.
Henry keeps a detailed account of his every interaction with Julian.
Richard often forgets to eat, so Camilla always keeps something for him.
Henry respects Francis and considers him to be smarter than him at times.
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estherdedlock · 2 years
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I’ve been wanting to write about Camilla Macaulay for ages but every time I think I have something to say, her character just slips away from me. I find myself focusing less on who she is than on what she is, and that’s where I get stumped.
Because Camilla’s a cliché, isn’t she? She’s the gamine, lovely and boyish. She’s a (not-so-manic) pixie dreamgirl, constantly amazing her lovelorn admirer with her mysterious ways. She’s the embodiment of the “not a regular girl” trope, outshining all those “real” girls who are matronly nags (Marion), ditzy chatterboxes (Judy), or forgettable hookups (Mona). But where did this cliché come from? Did Donna Tartt...invent it?
I’m not that widely read or versed in film. So although I call Camilla “a cliché,” I literally can’t think of another character like her who predates The Secret History. I don’t think this character exists in Victorian literature, for example. Great Expectations’ Estella has some of these qualities, but she’s more of a femme fatale. Cathy Earnshaw in Wuthering Heights? Not really. Because TSH draws so heavily from Brideshead Revisited, it’s tempting to see Julia Flyte in Camilla, especially since there’s a lot of Sebastian in Charles Macaulay. But Julia isn’t eccentric the way Camilla is.
So why do I feel like this type of female character has been around forever as a fantasy ideal? You know: She’s boyish, but still exquisitely feminine. She “doesn’t take the pains” with her appearance that other girls do, but she’s all the lovelier for it. She’s well-practiced in feminine wiles, but never plays the coquette. She spurns “feminine” interests (like childhood education and costume design) in favor of challenging, “masculine” subjects, like the Classics. She doesn’t have a chattering flock of female friends, or even one female friend, preferring the sophisticated company of men. Less exceptional females (those “real girls,” like Marion) seem enviously scornful of her.
Richard’s description sums it up better than I can:
“Being the only female in what was basically a boys’ club must have been difficult for her. Miraculously, she didn’t compensate by becoming hard or quarrelsome. She was still a girl, a slight lovely girl who lay in bed and ate chocolates, a girl whose hair smelled like hyacinth and whose scarves fluttered jauntily in the breeze. But strange and marvelous as she was, a wisp of silk in a forest of black wool, she was not the fragile creature one would have her seem. In many ways, she was as cool and competent as Henry; tough minded and solitary in her habits and in many ways as aloof...She was the Queen who finished out the suit of dark Jacks, dark King, and Joker.”
Did Donna Tartt invent this type of character? Or did she just make it exceptionally vivid? Either way, why did she do it? Why does the only important female character in this book conform to this very specific male fantasy, a perfect composite of masculine and feminine charms so alluring---so aesthetic, if you will---that such a creature only exists in fiction?
I’ve been thinking a lot about something I read in that Esquire article about Bennington in the 1980s. From the article, here’s Bret Easton Ellis talking about  an early draft of The Secret History:
The book was perfectly formed. The writing was perfect. The only note I ever gave Donna was, “You have a college-age male protagonist who’s not noticing women or men or anything. That’s unrealistic.” I will never forget her expression. Donna has a stare, okay? She stared at me. Silent, staring daggers.
Now, I don’t know how far along the book was when Ellis read it. Earlier in the article, another Bennington contemporary of Tartt’s says that there were “about eighty pages written” when he read it. So it may have been just eighty pages when Ellis read it, too. Or, if it was so “perfectly formed,” then there might have been more. In either case, if Bret Easton Ellis is remembering what he read (and what he said) accurately, it’s important, because it means that Richard’s infatuation with Camilla was probably not part of Donna Tartt’s original vision for the novel.
And this is what fascinates me:
What happens to a female character when she suddenly has to become an unattainable object of desire? 
Hold that thought. More to come.
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quidfree · 2 years
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top 5 funniest lines/moments from The Secret History???
this is so hard bc tsh is so funny and i dont have it on hand to be selective with . okay as a random pick & in no particular order:
5. early in the book when richard is having nervous meltdowns about what a bad first impression hes making on the study group & how much cooler they are than him but actually theyre just kind of mystified by him bc from the outside pov he seems super aloof and disinterested in them
4. the really serious convo about what food to prepare for dinner when the group’s murder plans are thrown off (including the iconic ‘asparagus is in season’ line)
3. francis and marion’s unspecified pre-canon falling out / undying hatred of each other
2. when theyre searching for bunny on campus and henry is telling the group very intensely that they need to get their act together and participate so as to elude suspicion & immediately afterwards when julian decides he can’t be bothered to stay francis tries to get out of it by volunteering to drive him
1. whenever judy is there but ESP when shes hanging out w richard whenever francis rushes in trying to tell him murder things and they have to have conversations in stilted greek over her head
but there are too many other moments to count. henry’s terrible murder plans. ‘but those movies sound awful’. richard almost freezing to death his first winter away from california. francis’ phone compulsion. olivia abernathy. THE COKE MIRROR. everything about cloke. the bunny family fiasco. etc.
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francesthinks · 2 years
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marion trying to get laid at her boyfriends funeral is definitely in my top 10 tsh moments
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edmundcorcoran · 3 years
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MY FRIENDS AS CATS
Henry - 
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Francis - 
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Marion -
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ccuniculusmolestus · 2 months
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Huge headcanon but you know that hickey Richard tries to tease Bun about and Bun becomes so triggered over it? ("Fell down some stairs," he says ''BRUSQUELY")........
Richard automatically assumed it was Marion but........lol. Henry gave it to him.
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paranormalacademia · 3 years
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Marion: What are your pronouns?
Bunny, tryna hit: haha I'm pro all nouns
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barnbridges · 7 months
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when i say sometimes im a marion apologist people are like oh bunny was so bad like... have you not noticed she's worse.
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Bunny’s Moral Crisis and Julian being Anti Judeo-Christian
I was positive I got the impression, during my first read of TSH, that Bunny was truly morally bothered by the farmer-killing. Then I started wondering, post-reading, if I was being too generous, and Bunny legit was just worried for his life and was angry that the group was keeping secrets from him (that second one is what Henry told Richard).
But I got to the part in my on-and-off listening to the audiobook where Julian tells Richard he’s wondering what’s going on with Bunny. Julian says Bunny keeps approaching him and asking to talk about morality (particularly sin and forgiveness). Julian says he’s getting concerned that Bunny may convert to Marion’s religion. He asks Richard what denomination she is, and Richard says he thinks she’s Presbyterian. Julian is disappointed and says the only Christian denomination he can gracefully accept losing a student to is Roman Catholic.
Now this scene is interesting to me for a couple reasons. Firstly, it does indicate there may be more going on with Bunny internally than the Greek class gives him credit for. If Bunny is trying to approach Julian privately to talk about ethical dilemmas, this shows some level of genuineness in his questions (Julian also believes it to be earnest questioning). But secondly, Julian’s comment about only finding the Roman rite to be a worthy foe is so, so interesting to me.
The scene shows that something more is going on with Bunny, but it also reveals that Julian hates Judaism and Christianity— making exceptions for people like Dante and Giotto. The thing that’s fascinating to me about this detail is that Julian’s statements show the central theme of the whole book: that beauty is worth something if it’s backed by things of substance (Georges Laforgue says this, and the same thing is said by Theo in The Goldfinch. This is a concept important to Tartt’s writing).
Julian has a basic respect for Catholics, because Catholicism traditionally also has emphasis on art, philosophy, and classical aesthetic beauty. And, perhaps most importantly, Roman Catholics have kept Latin as the language of the Church and Vatican. The medieval Catholic Church was perhaps the biggest patron and commissioner of artists, and from the Catholic Church came Notre Dame, Aquinas, Dante, etc. Here, Julian mentions that the Catholics make “worthy foes” for the pagans, and what he means is that there’s all this aesthetic beauty and classical study within the Catholic Church. But it’s key here that Julian hates other branches of Christianity. The scene emphasizes that the only thing he enjoys about Catholics is their specifically classical history.
The thing I like about this detail is that it is a really specific bit of characterization to show that Julian does not care about morality or the search for truth that’s at the heart of all religions and mythologies. He’s different from people like Aquinas because he does not see human art and language as a means to articulate and pay homage one’s moral beliefs. He sees art/language as the highest good in and of itself. Once you remove the classics aspects of Catholicism, Julian does not care. And we see this because of his apparent disdain for Protestants and Jews. This also reminds me of Bunny saying Henry thinks Jamaicans have no culture. Obviously, they do, but it’s not the particular kind of culture and expression Julian and Henry find legitimate.
I guess I like how Donna Tartt understands her own theme and can show how it’s applicable so naturally just in the way her characters talk. We get a lot of hints about how closed-minded and shallow Julian actually is before we get to the end of the book where it’s confirmed.
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bazberkker · 1 year
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I would KILL to read TSH from Bunny’s POV. It would make for the perfect Greek tragedy and a killer thriller. Imagine reading his descent into insanity and paranoia. Imagine Italy from his perspective; his secret, almost sinful confessions to Julian; his pillow talks with Marion. I want to feel Henry’s betrayal and Bunny’s unease. I would eat that shit UP
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