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#laena and rhaenyra were also related to daemon and this did not stop him for grooming then
visenyaism · 2 months
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do u think nettles was daemons adoptive daughter or is this just targnation/team black propaganda and she’s just another one of his victims?
i think it was most likely a both situation like he did probably see her as a daughter figure a little bit but that was just. an element of the whole grooming thing instead of being like diametrically opposed to it
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the-desilittle-bird · 11 months
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Hello, I was just wondering if you would ever do a female Lucerys Velaryon fanfic?
AN- I don't know about a fanfic but here are a few headcanons for it...
Being Rhaenyra's Daughter and taking Aemond's eye...
Part 2
Warnings- Forced Marriage
GIF Credits to @veinereastath
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Being Rhaenyra Targaryen and Harwin Strong's first daughter and Jacaerys little sister. Being their first daughter meant that you were loved and cared by them; spoilt rotten by your mother and learning sword from your biological father.
Growing up with the Greens meant that you had a love-hate mostly hate relation with Aemond Targaryen.
You would tease him about not having a dragon, also being a part of 'The Pink Dread' prank. Though you had felt bad later, you were proud enough not to apologize.
You were to inherit Driftmark after Laenor. Lord Corlys Velaryon and Princess Rhaenys had decided that your gender won't matter in the inheritance.
You were quite close to Helaena, having shared classes by the Septa with her. But that was until your family shifted to the Dragonstone.
The news of Harwin's death saddened you tremendously, and you and your family had to travel to Driftmark for Laena's funeral.
You had tried to console your father, who grieved the death of your aunt, his sister.
In Driftmark, you met Daemon, the Rogue Prince, and his daughters, Baela and Rhaena.
You striked a strong bond with both of thems in the short time. Cheering them up a bit and helping them come out of grief.
That night, you were with them when you heard Vhagar and went out to investigate with them and Jace.
There you saw Aemond.
A fight broke out and in self defense, you sliced the dagger through Aemond's left eye, damaging it for lifetime.
Alicent wanted your eye as a payment and in the order to do so herself, she injured Rhaenyra, which in return hurt Viserys who yelled at everyone to stop.
As a way of repayment, you were betrothed to Aemond. Viserys said that it would join the two fractions of House Targaryen.
"Prince Aemond is betrothed to marry Princess (Y/N) from this day forward and shall be married when they come of age. This shall unite our House for good. The House of the Dragon should always be united."
And so, you left Driftmark betrothed to the man you hated with your entire life.
Only to know that your father died.
And soon enough your mother married Daemon.
Fast forward to the time when you with your family arrive at King's Landing to discuss your position as the heir of Corlys Velaryon, who would inherit Driftmark when the right time arrives.
And you met your betrothed again.
Only to be slightly awestruck by his beautiful long hair and sharp features.
But you could see he was less than amused, taunting you instead.
"Betrothed! Came here with your dagger, have you?"
The entire trial, you could feel his gaze fleeting over you. He looked at you like he could read you as an open book, running his fingers over the words to learn a secret you could only guess upon.
Your grandsire proclaimed you the heir to Driftmark.
Vaemond called Rhaenyra a whore and you and your siblings a bastard; adding a line about you following your mother's footsteps. That ended with him getting his skull off in a very asymmetrical way, so that his tongue was kept intact.
"He can keep his tongue."
The predatory look in Aemond's eye had you shivering; hiding behind your mother while she squeezed your hand in reassurance.
That evening, you were forced to sit beside him, which made it tense for you; while his eye pierced her soul.
And a toast was made for Jace and Joffrey, which was very offensive.
And then, for you.
"To my betrothed who is a beautiful, young... strong woman."
You stood up and slapped him.
Jace and Rhaena handled Aegon in the meantime.
Aemond did push you back a bit.
And before you could claw his only eye out, Daemon interrupted.
"Go to your bed chambers," Rhaenyra ordered
The betrothed was called off after that night.
And you returned to Dragonstone happy.
Your mother had started coordinating with the North about a betrothal between you and Cregan Stark.
"Cregan Stark shall treat you just and honorably."
But the news of passing of your grandsire came.
And Rhaenys came with the news of Aegon usurping your mother's crown.
You were sent to the Storm's End on your insistence.
And guess who you found there...
Aemond Fucking 'One-Eyed' Targaryen
Lord Borris Baratheon acted like a twat and denied helping your mother's cause.
Aemond stepped forward just in time for your leave.
"Give me your eye or I will take it!"
"NO!"
"Then I will take something far more precious."
Lord Baratheon was kind enough to order you to leave.
But that stormy night, you arrived at Dragonstone
And only a week later, your mother was told that you were forcefully married to Aemond.
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lemonhemlock · 9 months
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if possible, do you remember how old daemon was when he claimed caraxes? if he was older than rhaena, that just makes him look silly for ignoring her for not having a dragon yet.
similarly, i suspect he'd act the same way towards aemond if he were daemicent's child unfortunately.
this also seemingly lines up perfectly in the au timeline because if laena dies, they still have the funeral where he can try to claim vhagar. The real question is would he lose an eye? Daemon, once again, doesn't seem like the type to care much about bullying [which sets the scene for aemond to try claiming one to begin with]. I think he'd brush it off like viserys.
Combine that with aemond's desire to impress his dad <if i get this dragon dad will stop ignoring me> i can only see an equally terrible outcome.
caraxes' first owner was the late prince aemon targaryen, who died in 92 AC, freeing caraxes for another potential rider. idk when exactly daemon claimed him. i looked it up in FB and the first time daemon is mentioned in relation to caraxes is in 105, when he flies with mysaria to dragonstone, after rhaenyra was named heir. since he was born in 81 AC, that means that he could have claimed caraxes any time between 11 and 24 years old.
baela first rode moondancer in 130 when she was 14, but in truth she had claimed her before that. morning hatched around the same time as baela's first and only ride. the cradle egg of aegon the younger hatched into stormcloud, while viserys ii still had his egg but it either never hatched or he lost it (?) in lys.
aegon the elder claimed sunfyre by 120 AC (13 y.o. at the latest, likely before that), helaena claimed dreamfyre by the age of 11 and aemond was 10 (book age) when he claimed vhagar. daeron already had tessarion by the age of 6. these ages are given specifically in FB as context for the eye-gouging incident in Driftmark, as it is stated aemond is the only dragonless sibling.
so, judging by the fact that daemon could have been 11 at the earliest when aemon died and he could have claimed caraxes, it would be v hypocritical of him to be shading aemond who claimed the biggest & scariest dragon in the world at 10. to be fair to daemon, i don't remember in the text if he ever specifically singled out rhaena for not having a dragon by the age of 13. not saying that he was necessarily thrilled about it, but it's possible for it to be a show-only thing. also, if daemon had bonded himself to caraxes so close after crown prince aemon's death, i feel like the text would have noted that, so it's very likely he did so when he was indeed older. maybe even around the same age rhaena was when her egg hatched.
after all, what show!laena tells rhaena is not just a motherly comfort thing - she was right, there was plenty more time for her to claim her own dragon in the future. princess alyssa herself, her grandmother, claimed meleys at 15, prince baelon her grandfather claimed vhagar at 16 and prince aemon claimed caraxes at 17. they were the darlings of the targaryen dynasty in their time and jaehaerys' favourite children, so daemon side-eyeing his preteen son for not having a dragon yet is pretty goofy.
but then again i doubt the show-runners did the maths for this when they decided on the nature of daemon's relationship with rhaena. they probably just thought it would be a poignant way to highlight daemon's misogyny and that took precedence over dragon algebra
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maidragoste · 6 months
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Heeey I have more songs: 👉👈
Apologies if any are already there and I just blanked them.
false god by Taylor Swift
Don't Blame Me by Taylor Swift
Exs's and Oh's by Elle King
Maneater by Nelly Futardo
Boyfriend by Dove Cameron
Babooshka by Kate Bush
Running Up That hill by Kate Bush #Velaryon Sibling feels
I'm not a woman I'm a god by Halsey
God is a woman by Ariana Grande.
I'm Not Gonna Teach Your Boyfriend How To Dance With you by Black Kids (this was in Jennifer's Body so I had to)
You're On your Own kid by Taylor Swift
It's All Coming Back To Me by Celine Dion
Bejeweled by Taylor Swift
Bonus: Kitty Kat by Megan Thee Stallion.
I LOVE EVERY TIME YOU SEND ME SONGS TO ADD TO THE PLAYLIST 💖💖
I don't know who you were thinking about when you sent the songs so I'll tell you what dynamics or characters I can relate them to (you can tell me later if you agree or not)
False God
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This song makes me think of Reader and Harwin. Especially these lines because I think of Rhaenys and Corlys disagreeing with the Reader marriage but she ignored them and got carried away by her faith in Harwin.
Don't Blame Me
I had already added this song to the playlist thinking about the relationship between Reader, Alicent and Larys. I can honestly see the three of them ready to commit murder for each other lol
Exs's and Oh's
BESTIE THIS SONG IS SO READER. EVERYONE IS OBSESSED WITH HER AND WON'T LEAVE HER ALONE
Maneater
Again Reader having everyone at his feet 🛐🛐
Boyfriend
I had also added this song thinking about Alicent when she finds out that Harwin is cheating on Reader with Rhaenyra. I also thought about Reader seeing how Viserys is a shitty husband and father.
Babooshka
Reader and Harwin.
Running Up That Hill
IT HURTS ME BECAUSE I CAN'T STOP THINKING ABOUT LAENA AND READER AND LATER WHEN READER LEARNS ABOUT LAENOR'S DEATH. I'M NOT OKAY
I'm not a woman I'm a god
There are so many lines that I can identify with Reader.
"Maybe I could be a different human in a new place"
"I just wanna feel something, tell me where to go"
Reader after the deaths of Harwin and Laena
" 'Cause everybody knows something I don't wanna know"
Reader refusing to see what was happening between Harwin and Rhaenyra before Jacaerys was born.
"I am not a martyr, I'm problem
I am not a legend, I'm a fraud"
I'm Not Gonna Teach Your Boyfriend How To Dance With You
The truth is I didn't know it because I never saw the movie but this song screams Rhaenyra
You're On your Own Kid
THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE TAYLOR SONGS, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME BEFORE. The truth is I can relate it to Reader, Alicent and the green children
It's All Coming Back To Me
Harwin's haters are going to hate me but it made me think of him and Reader. Of course she hates him for what he did to her and she doesn't plan to forgive him, but God, they have a lot of history and when he helps her with the children and sees how he takes care of them even though they aren't his, it's easy to get confused. I don't know if it makes sense but I also thought Daemon, Reader and him also have history so even though he has his idiotic moments she can't really hate him. I also feel like they never had a proper closure because again these people don't know how to communicate lol
Kitty Kat
I had never heard this song before so imagine my reaction 👁️👄👁️
Thank you for writing to me and collaborating with the playlist 🥰🥰
I hope you are well 💖💖💖
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bohemian-nights · 1 year
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For the life of me I can’t understand how people think it’s acceptable for House of the Dragon a show that is pushing for more diversity (making the Velaryon’s Black and Mysaria Asian) to race bend the only canonical black character. If they wanted to race bend any of the characters they could’ve made Alys Rivers Indian. They could make Sara Snow Mexican and so on. It’s just so frustrating to see this happen time and time again in media when it comes to the portrayal of WOC in general but especially black women.
Like I don't care if people ship Daemyra you know? If shipping those two makes them happy go for it. My only thing is I just want them to stop with the racist shit they say about all the WOC in Daemon's life. From his lovers (cause they've said some racist shit about Mysaria too) to his wife and to even his daughters. At this point I'm convinced half of them don't even like Daemon because if they did they wouldn't stay shitting on the women who at one point or another were/are important to him.
Idk 🤷🏽‍♀️ it's just very strange to me.
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The discourse surrounding Nettles is absolutely crazy and you can tell it’s being fueled by anti-black weirdos who are mainly Dumbnyra stans(lol Team Green have their issues too, but they aren’t the ones who are advocating to race bend Nettles 🙃)
Honestly, I did not have a problem with Dumbnyra(and yes I’m going to call it that) at the beginning of the show. I was indifferent to it. However, that quickly changed when most of the fans started to show themselves to be the racist psychopaths that they are. Down to them literally calling Laena the n-word and celebrating her death🙃:
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You might say it’s just a couple of the more “extreme” fans that feel that way, but literally go on their blogs, Twitter accounts, etc., and 90% are arguing some bs.
If it’s not bashing Laena(yes they are still doing this even though she’s dead and according to them Rhaenyra was the love of Daemon’s life so it really doesn’t make sense to do all of this for a dead woman who paled in comparison to the “love of his life”🙃) it’s bashing Nettles.
Boy, do they hate Nettles. I'm posting her picture cause this is the face of their nightmares🤣
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If it’s not saying Daemon never loved her and she was just this “giant misunderstanding” between himself and the “love of his life” despite him literally going against his wife and queen’s orders to save her, it’s saying how she’s Daemon’s daughter or Daemon saw her like a daughter.
Their relationship was 100% paternal or mentee/ mentor. Stop mentioning the bath’s which were father-daughter bonding time or the fact that they might’ve slept in the same bed which was just done to comfort a frightened child. Daemon would never get with someone so black I mean so foul-mouthed in canon. She’s just his child😅
Why do you want a bada** with a middle-aged white man? You’re the one with the problem, not me even though I’m trying to infantilize a young black woman and pidgin hole her into the “strong independent black woman” trope while supporting a white woman getting with her uncle cause I can relate to her. I refuse to read the books(or parts of the books) because every time I do I want to ripe out my hair when Daemon and Nettles' relationship is mentioned 🙃
Anyway, if it’s not saying she’s going to be cut and replaced with Rhaena(cause then they know that the relationship would actually be non-romantic☺️), it’s saying and actively hoping she’ll be race bent because they can’t stand the thought of Daemon being with a black woman💁🏽‍♀️:
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All minorities are the same don’t cha know 😀and we have too many black people on this show. What we have Corlys, his sons, Rhaena, and Baela. Yes, Rhaena and Baela are mixed, but they count as representation cause their skin isn’t white and I can’t relate because of that. Why add the only in-canon black person when we have a whopping 5 whole black people in a sea of whites 🙃
Also, we don’t know what race Nettles is even though we have pictures of her in the lore and in the books as well as descriptions of her appearance that show that she is black, but again every time Nettles is mentioned I get triggered so I skip over her parts😀
Moving on. If it’s not bashing Nettles they are blatantly ignoring that Rhaena and Baela are Daemon’s daughters and his only daughters. They’ll literally draw a million and one pictures of lizard baby (that’s what I’m calling it, cause again, these people don’t deserve respect) and pretend like it ever drew breath and that it is his only daughter🙃 Or my personal favorite which is essentially Daemon is a good father because he didn’t abandon them on the side of the road (where they belong).
They were educated, clothed, and fed, children don’t need affection, stop complaining. The fandom loves Rhaena and Baela🙃. No one cares about poor Rhaenyra and her boys(who Daemon sees as his real children cause they share the same skin color🙃). That’s why I draw, write, and gif for these poor neglected souls and completely leave out the black ingrates, I mean Rhaena and Baela😅
Finally Mysaria. Oh, Mysaria, I’ve got my own problems with her, but yeah they do bash her by pinning all of Rhaenyra’s psycho deeds on her(so much for your girl being a queen who has "agency"🙃).
Like yeah, she’s not innocent, but she’s not the only one who isn’t innocent, and while I definitely don’t think Daemon was ever that in love with her given how quickly he was willing to call her a wh*re, it hasn’t escaped my notice that the only reason why she isn’t that much of a focus is because they do regulate her to just a wh*re 🙃
They hate Rhea too and try to make her into a groomer to justify Daemon murdering her, but we aren’t going to get into that because we are talking about how this fandom treats the non-white women of Daemon’s life.
Look, I could go on and on, but this ship literally attracts the most racist, white supremacist-leaning, self-hating fans(yes there are Black and other non-white fans who will literally throw their own under a bus for this ship🤦🏽‍♀️), and anti-Black fans by the boat load. And the thing is, they all hide behind “feminism” when called out for it🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, you can ship what you want, but it’s pretty obvious at this point it’s beyond shipping. If you are literally bashing every single woman and girl (especially the non-white women/girls) besides Rhaenyra in Daemon’s life then dude there is something wrong here.
They definitely aren’t Daemon fans(hell he probably has about as many actual fans as Nettles does🤦🏽‍♀️). They are Rhaenyra self-inserters who are pissed off that their ship is on borrowed time and “their man” is about to “leave” their self-insert in the dust for gasp 😱 a black woman so they are taking all the shots they can to feel better about this Titanic ship 🤷🏽‍♀️
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sweetestpopcorn · 6 months
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Thank you for writing what I always wish Daemon and Rhaenyra's story was in canon. The truth is that I was never a fan of Daemon x Laena, however, I loved the portrait you made of her in your fic and I can imagine her being that way completely, however, as far as Harwin is concerned, I know that I have a rather unpopular opinion, that of having children bastards with him seemed to me a totally unnecessary addition by Martin to weaken Rhaenyra's character as future queen and destine people to death, their relationship also did not seem to me based on love, but on desire, he never knew how to give Rhaenyra a stop or advice to stop having children who were clearly his and who would question her as an heir, I admit 1 but 3 seems to me a very big impudence, more knowing that there was no way for them to look like their mother (another favor from Martin to rhae) . In addition, in the case of Daemon and Laena, at least they were husband and wife, something that Harwin and Rhaenyra were not, I feel that their relationship is very romanticized, honestly they were lovers, it is not that they could have a family life in the eyes of the entire court and clearly To me it seemed like a patch in Rhaenyra's life for being married to laenor... and not being able to have been with the man she wanted. It has already been seen that he had 3 children with Harwin in quick succession... Daemon came back and it was over and once he had 3, what does it matter a 4? Lately, since the premiere of the abomination on hbo, there are many harwin fan girls who endorse him a lot and I don't understand it to be honest, his children weren't destined to be kings either, I'm of the opinion that it wouldn't even have happened if there wasn't dance. A true ally who thought with his head and nothing else would have acted differently, I think. I'm sorry to have such a negative opinion but it's tired to see people selling him as Rhaenyra's great love when he wasn't, in my opinion, of course. It also tires to always see the children born of their love affair as more loved and developed by the fans than the next kings of westeros🤣. I hope you don't mind my opinion but the Strong boys didn't fulfill my Targaryen supremacist quota so I'm more than happy reading your story, where you represent Harwin in a way that I can imagine quite simply at least in relation to Rhaenyra and good-natured, but for me that's it. I hope not to see like a bad person haha, I can be very direct in saying my opinions and sometimes they are questionable, i know ❤️
Greetings ✌️
Hi there 🤗
I hope you are well (and still there X'D) because this was such a big delay on my part 💔 but better late than never!
First, thank you so so much for your beyond kind words ❤️ I write what I wished the story could be as well, so I am happy others like my choices 🩷 asoiaf Daemyra are prime steak and adding anyone else in the picture is putting ketchup on it so I am just serving the steak and removing the ketchup 😂 just prime fillet mignon which is asoiaf Daemyra.
I absolutely agree with the fact that George added the "Velaryon" princes to add more drama to the mix and to make the whole claim thing more balanced and less just about Rhaenyra being a woman. Of course that ultimately I would argue that George didn't do it very well because although the "Velaryon" princes should have been a HUGE thing the fact is they were an afterthought of the Green Council - brought up only by Criston and Alicent - and none of the lords either pro or against the Blacks and/or the Greens ever mentioned them.
I think George succeeded at making it a big thing for the fandom and at making other people look at what Rhaenyra's behaviour said about her and at the lack of legitimacy of her three eldest heirs and going "Yeah I'm neutral" or "Yeah I am Team Green" (the latter a very small minority not even 10%), but he definitely failed at showing that this was a such a major thing for the characters. Besides the Greens mocking the "Velaryon" princes and Rhaenyra it's like... no one really cared, and this would contradict the very strong (no pun intended) hatred that many of the asoiaf characters have concerning illegitimate children. So yeah... I think that should have been explored a LOT better.
In my story, however, that issue is removed, and I have had many fans who consider themselves neutral tell me that actually in my story they are Team Black because there are no "Velaryon" princes, and the fact that Rhaenyra married Daemon - a Targaryen - and only had Targaryen children + her being her father's choice of heir would make it very hard for the Greens to have a step to hold on to. And this is not because I have embellished Rhaenyra or Daemon mind you. I have lost count of the times I had people say that Rhaenyra is annoying, childish, spoiled, arrogant, stupid, oh personal favourite "window-licking clown"... or that Daemon is cruel, and an assh0le, and that he doesn't love Rhaenyra. Hells, I had someone say that until a point they thought I was actually a Team Green fan X'D but the issue of the "Velaryon" princes that made the issue less clear is removed, and in such circumstances it's almost impossible for someone to not stand the Blacks - which just adds to how weak the Greens' claim is and how dependent on the existence of the "Velaryon" princes it also is. And also mind you, I made a lot of choices to make Alicent look better - for instances, it's Otto who wants to marry Helaena and Aegon, she has reservations, and at the start she is not very on board with many of her father's plans. I also added more depth to Aegon, and explored his relationship with Sunfyre for instance, and downplayed many of his "advances" at maids and women. I also don't shy away from showing what a sh:t sister Rhaenyra was, and this is another complain I frequently had - how she treated her siblings.
I might be Team Black but I give credit where credit is due and I like to explore the fault the Blacks had, and the good the Greens had. They are still the villains, but they clearly were the villains in canon to. That's not changing and someone can be the clear villain and still have reasons.
Moving to canon now and to why Rhaenyra in canon had three illegitimate children I have a simple answer: because she could and because she didn't care.
I think it is always important to consider that pre-Dance was the pinnacle of Targaryen power - they had never been as powerful before and never would again. All of them were raised to believe they were more god/goddess than man/woman and all of them were arrogant to a fault. And as I have said before, why shouldn't they be? Truth was they were superior to almost everyone in almost every way, and truth or law was whatever they said it was.
Even in good freindly Walserys wee see this. If he wanted a woman to rule he could do it. If he wanted people to patch up and be friends he simply demanded it. And if he wanted his daughter to marry a gay man and have children with him that would happen thanks to his Hand's son :D
Rhaenyra was just the same, and you see her have this attitude. Her reply to "Your sons are bastards" was always to either kill or threaten. Hells, she had the audacity to hear Aemond call her sons Strong and be like "Well who told you that lie?! We must get to the bottom of this!"
Rhaenyra:
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Viserys:
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Everyone else:
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Meanwhile Aegon II said and well - oh GOD I am defending Aegon II 🤢:
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As to what drove her to Harwin Strong, I mean, people can tell themselves whatever they want, but at the end of the day it was mainly three things:
Daemon was not available - had been exiled under penalty of death two years prior
2. Harwin had courted her and likely she liked him well enough
3. She was married against her will to a man who left her alone during the celebrations of their wedding and never consummated the marriage at 17, and wanted someone to love her Harwin was there, she liked him well enough, and likely she knew HE liked her well enough to keep his mouth shut and take his affair with him to the grave Spoiler :D he did! Rhaenyra:
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Now as you say and well, very clearly Harwin was a source of comfort for her above anything else, and I agree that it speaks volumes how many children they had before Daemon returned, vs. how many they had after he returned and how quickly she again fell in Daemon's arms and got pregnant. Given the timeline it's very likely that Harwin was actually still alive when Rhaenyra got pregnant with baby Aegon. My brothers in Christ literally the day Otto arrived in King's Landing following Harwin and Lyonel's deaths, word arrived that Rhaenyra had married Daemon. Even if we are to believe it was only after Harwin died what a fine way Rhaenyra had to mourn the "love of her life"... by banging her former lover and marrying him. Someone who could have been involved in Harwin's demise btw.
And they say romance is dead!
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Delusions and wishful thinking aside, one can argue who the love of Daemon's life was. The love of Rhaenyra's life however should be undebatable for anyone with reading skills and basic comprehension and that someone was Daemon. See all of this for book passages showing that Rhaenyra loved Daemon at every damn stage of her life: as a child, teenager and adult as agreed by all sources. And every damn time this b:tch returned Rhaenyra just turned around and went:
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And fell in his arms and maybe pieces of furnisher like bed or in the rocks of Blackwater Bay if you believe Mushroom X'D
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About the show I don't consider it so I am not even going to go there, I will just say that how anyone can have any ship in Redacted outside Renada/Alicia or Helen/Diet Almond Milk is a mystery to me because they all absolutely suck and apologies but having a man look at you like he's going to tear your oesophagus from your body and wear it for a necklace is not romantic, or the only interaction you have with him is just some witty banter where once again you are showing what a fine Girlboss you are. But wtf do I know about the fandom's standards?! I know they are lower than the Titanic.
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I don't think you sound like a bad person or anything of the like, if anything it says a lot that many of the so-called "Targaryen" fans only seem to like Targaryens who are less Targaryen and don't look like Targaryens, and the same people who love the "Velaryon" princes and call themselves Team Black fans hate Aegon and Viserys and go on to posts made by their fans to call them monsters. Their greatest sin? Why they are very pure Targaryens with Targaryen parents who enjoyed banging each other's brains out, had no reservations about incest, and looked so Targaryen that Aegon's hair was almost white.
Wincest is not for everyone.
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Now, personally, I have nothing against the "Velaryon" princes. I actually like Jace and Luke and feel bad for Joffrey because imagine your siblings being Jacaerys, Lucerys, Rhaena, Baela, Aegon, and Viserys, and you are Joffrey... ain't no ointment for that burn. #cancelLaenor But I don't buy for a minute that even if there were no Greens that they would just be one big happy family and that Daemon would gladly tell his legitimate kids step aside for Harwin's illegitimate sons to take their place.
Sorry, I have oats with my milk not delusions or Disney. Daemon is a grey character and if you think that equates to his d:ck not working when he's sad or conflicted thEn we didn't read the same books :)
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Well this was a long answer XD hope you are still around Anon to see me enter my Joker Era because I am so DONE. I really need some good asoiaf content and to touch some grass because after almost five years... I don't know how much I can take it.
But oh well. If my Joker Era can make anyone laugh it's what we here for fam.
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All the love to you 🥰❤️
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We all know the real reason Laena had to die and leave Daemon and Rhaenyra too early.
The Oldtown triad took one look at this poly triad of awesomeness and got flashbacks to Aegon, Visenya and Rhaenys and decided it had to be stopped then and there.
P.S, I saw your post mentioning how the Blacks need a separate communication system. It’s very telling that Doran Martell has his own raventenders who answer directly to him and not Oldtown.
If only it was just that, nonny.
If Oldtown looked at them the same way they’ve seen Aegon, Rhaenys and Visenya, it would’ve been bad enough. But those three bitches were much worse, especially Rhaenyra. After all, the conquerors had a problem with hatching dragons from the beginning. Daemon banging Rhaenyra meant the future filled with new dragons. Daemon banging Laena would probably give us another Rhaenyra as well. And sure enough it did, with Baela. I’m not counting Rhaena, because we learn she can’t hatch dragons later on.
 The last time Oldtown went ballistic about a possible union like this, was the one between another uncle and niece: Maegor and Rhaena, a woman who hatched Dreamfyre and who lost Irone Throne to Jaehaerys. They’ve claimed it was because of incest, yet nobody had anything to say about this issue before with Aegon. And let’s remember, that they forced Maegor to marry a Hightower instead.
 That’s why I’m laughing my ass off any time someone tries to defend Jaehaerys, because he at least disbanded faith militants (yeah, he did, after Maegor kicked their asses and put the fear of real gods in them) and managed to negotiate the compromise for Targaryens to be allowed to marry each other (yeah, he did, long after the threat of Rhaena and Aerea diapered across the Narrow Sea). And then he made septon his Hand.
 Please.
Oldtown rats have no trouble letting some Targaryens marry each other, and then they absolutely lose their shit about how incest is a crime against gods and humanity, when others try to do the same. And notice how most of those are remembered as murderers of little puppies and later have problems with producing heirs.
 And absolutely, Martells know what’s up, and what’s more, they seem to be using Oldtown for their own gain. Now, I won't go into detail about Martells Conspiracy, but no, it was never about marrying Quentyn to Dany and Arianne to Viserys.
 I love how Dorne and Oldtown get more and more tangled as this story goes on.
 We have Oberyn with his six links of maester's chain, him hanging around brothels in Oldtown and having a daughter from there: Obara, who blames Oldtown for her father’s death and wishes to sack it.
 Oberyn straight out sabotages his sister’s marriage to a Hightower, absolutely annihilating maesters' plan to bring all Seven Kingdoms against Targaryens together. And Oberyn’s own marriage to Cersei gets destroyed by Aerys tempting Tywin into saving her for Rhaegar.
 Then come forward the Brave Companions, most probably a company Oberyn created, filled with people related to the Faith, who chopped off Jaime's hand, killed Amory Lorch (a man who murdered Elia’s daughter) and had Qyburn with them. Qyburn who later works for Cersei and takes care of Tywin’s body (the same body that was poisoned) and Gregor Clagane, who's been renamed to Robert Strong. And yes, you’re supposed to make this connection with Harwin. Not to mention, the Brave Companions and their sacking of septs, kicks off the sparrow movement and brings back the faith militant force and their courts. Same courts that poor Cersei has to go against.
And the Sandsnakes?
  Not only Nymeria is now on the Small Council, we also have Tyene being dispatched to spy on the High Sparrow, and we have Sarella in the Citadel.
 Don’t even let me get started about Martells' race against Blackfyres for who will be the first to get to Dany and her dragons, as well as get Stepstones under their control to transfer an army. By the way, one of the largest city that would give you control over Stepstones, and yes, those are the same Stepstones we are about to see in the show, is Lys. The same Lys where Lynesse Hightower is.
 And the whole thing with Quentyn! Because you see, Quentyn was the lost cause from the very beginning. He was fostered by Yronwoods, a House that hates Martells (they are what Boltons are to Starks, or Florents to Tyrells) and people who are well-known Blackfyres supporters. I find it hilarious how Doran clearly knows that Quentyn's become a puppet and tells him to follow his maesters teaching, in order for him to become his heir one day... And then gives him no support on his quest to Essos. 
 And Arianne is clearly being groomed into ruling. Speaking of Arianne, she gets locked up with some books to read, and those are about: dornish law, dragons, history and septons.
 So yeah, Martells know and, as almost everyone in this story, they are playing only for themselves.
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goodqueenaly · 2 years
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@kristinakyidyl reblogged your post “If Alicent haven't given birth to a daughter for...”
Tbh I don’t think Alicent was wrong about marrying Rhaenyra and Aegon. It would have solved a lot of problems. Viserys said it was because they were 10 years apart and didn’t like each other, but he obviously wasn’t above making her marry someone she didn’t want to marry, and late 20s is certainly not too late to have kids even in westeros. I know it was to heal the rift with house Velaryon, but certainly sending Daemon to help Corlys with his little freeloader problem and then the royal marriage that ensued didn’t hurt relations between their houses. A promise to wed Aemond to Daemon and Laena’s potential kids could have also helped with the rift. It always just kind of seemed short sighted on Viserys’s part to me.
I’m not sure it’s quite so simple. After all, Viserys also seems to have concluded that, in his words, “‘[t]he boy is Alicent’s own blood … [s]he wants him on the throne’”. Of course, Alicent did want to see her son on the Iron Throne (not illogically, from either a political or a personal perspective), and I could see where such a marriage might have raised significant questions about the division of power between the spouses. Who would hold the authority in the relationship - Rhaenyra, Aegon, or the two of them jointly (an even more pressing question for the Targaryens, who to that point had precedent for the latter two options but not the former)? If Aegon proceeded to sit the Iron Throne, would he have been seen to emulate Rhaenys and Visenya (who ruled the realm from the Iron Throne in their brother-husband’s absence) or his predecessor kings (who sat the Iron Throne as full executives)? Would Aegon and Rhaenyra both wear kingly crowns (as they did IOTL, albeit as rival monarchs, with Aegon having the Conqueror’s crown and Rhaenyra the crown of Jaehaerys I), and if so, what might that action imply about the nature of their respective positions? Would Aegon and Rhaenyra both sit on the small council, and if so, what role would they each take there? You can absolutely believe that Rhaenyra’s faction would want Rhaenyra as the sole monarch, while the green faction would press for Aegon to rule as a nominally joint but in practice sole monarch (blurring the line between a jure uxoris inheritance, a la Tyrek Lannister or Bronn with Lollys Stokeworth, and Aegon’s rights as the senior legitimate male descendant of Viserys I). This marriage, in other words, wouldn’t necessarily stop the Dance, it would just change the nature of the Dance from an all-out civil war to a court war (which could in turn evolve into a civil war).
And of course, as noted, such a marriage wouldn’t help Velaryon-Targaryen relations at all. By Velaryon reckoning, they now would’ve been snubbed no fewer than three times: at the death of Prince Aemon (when Jaehaerys I skipped over Princess Rhaenys and/or her unborn child for Prince Baelon), at the Great Council of 101 AC (when Jaehaerys, following the votes of the assembled lords, proclaimed Prince Viserys his heir), and in 105 AC (when now-King Viserys refused to marry Laena in favor of Alicent Hightower). The Velaryons of this era believe, not without some reason, that the throne is rightfully theirs, and if they were willing IOTL to make a play for the throne via that proposed Laena-Viserys marriage (and then the actual Laenor-Rhaenyra marriage), they would not likely meekly accept the king’s younger brother and the king’s second son as marriage matches. Indeed, this latest snub might only motivate the Velaryons to renew their insistence that the throne belonged to Laenor (with, perhaps, the idea that Daemon and Laena’s children would be his heirs presumptive), so perhaps turning the Dance from a greens vs. blacks conflict (although again, that could still be an element) to a Targaryen vs. Velaryon conflict
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Laenora is us, A Targaryen/Velaryon who was just a guy that followed the flow then her siblings are death and her parents did NOTHING about it
First straw
Her nieces are ignored by their splendid father who prefers Nyra's children(If I were her, I would hate him with all my heart, Because of him, Laena is death and ignores her children..)
Second straw
Driftmark goes to Nyra's children
Third straw
Then she is sent as a spy and boom she grows fond of greens(especially of Helaena, she deserves all the love in the world)
I believe with the greens and if Alicent is alive, she would have felt like home you know...
The greens are deeply troubled yet they don't seem truly connected to their Targaryen's heritage and they treat Laenora normally, Aemond will be like: are you a spy???
Helaena will be like(who knows stuff): my brother likes red dresses☺ and older women, like you
Alicent is there for her because hello???Laenora has lost her siblings and for the rest of her life, she must watch Daemon and Nyra living her happy ending:I believe she would grow resentful of them but she keeps quiet about it-then that resentment grows also onto her parents, whom sell her off as a broadmare, but her husband dies and she becomes rich💅🏽💅🏽
Sorry to bother you! Just my thoughts, you are free to take inspiration from it🤣
Laenora to Alicent: my queen I...never felt so alone you know..I never felt a Targaryen, just Laenora and everyday my family always reminds me of it...I was just Laenora, the key for potential allies,Laena was the rider of Vhagar, Laenor the heir of Driftmark.
I'm not so important.
Alicent: well Lady Laenora..you are very important to me and my children, Helaena loves you, Aemond enjoys being around you, the twins always asks me of you and Aegon less drunk since you arrived...
Now I will leave with thissss
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I’m imagining after laena and laenor aren’t around, rhaenys saying the line should pass through laenora. Which ofc gets shot down by corlys bc that disenfranchises Rhaenyra’s claim (and the strong boys by relation). By that point, she (Nora) gets married off. Hears through grapevine about Rhaenyra and daemon having egg 3.
Originally she thinks, maybe I can make a family of my own since mine is kind of on the rocks. But her husband is useless and kind of sucks so she drinks moontea to stop it. Their ofc rumors around his death but since there are no kids, people assume it was all above board.
She goes to court for a fresh start, and assuming through this she can reconnect and be wanted by a family she’s been distant with. It all sort of spirals the more time she spends away. In a way she sort of pawn, and she has to figure out her own footing and frankly pick a side that suits her best interest
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good morning, meow meow!! it must around 8:30 a.m. in your timezone and i've just finished all the tasks i needed to do *star eyes* 'i forgot to answer your ask this morning' good. i already thought i said smth wrong, shouldn't had linked those songs or idk TT glad to hear from you anytime, though! 'if you dont want to' no but i literally don't know if i even have an opportunity to do so... actually, the whole death thing is... you know, burning? it's really important to talk about it. it's hard to describe but the death is just not the thing that stops me. omg i haven't watched comebacks for.. a lifetime... srry. but it's really been a long time. 'WHO IS YOUR BIAS MINE IS JOHN' giirl give you 3 seconds to guess yourself... yeah mine too. also doyoung seems too much like me so i just LoOk and relate. 'thats so random' I FORGOT THE WORD COACH!!! hghfjjd. awful. like irl i always say every word i know while trying to cheer up smn so my friends joke about me being one of those buisness-motivation coaches. 'interesting to know you like music like that' ig it's more about hyperfixation and nostalgia. it's published in 2012 and it feels. but it's the best part for me. actually, i like 'my sea' better. but i did fell in love with noize and all his songs yeah... 'i didnt really like the song' it's ok. i was just excited to unit my two fav thins at this moment: your fics an this artist. 'i like the chorus part' AHAAH it's funny that i'm opposite TT 'i never actually imagined the first scene to be a childbirth scene' LOLL ok maybe it's me and my bad memory but it mentioned a child and a wound on her stomach so i though... 'fuck your trauma, she could die and you wont be there?' SAME!! i was a little taken aback when i've read he wasn't present during rhaenyra's labour and didn't support her after due to his trauma and was like?? you claim to love her, fuck she beared your child and you couldn't like don't pay attention to the thing that happened how much time ago? 6 years? literally dont remember even if she died, you wouldn't be there to say her goodbyes like with laena?? i'm angry now(( 'i love how were planning the ending already but i havent even made p3' lol well you asked for this and triggered my imagination, so just enjoy. i'm glad you at least like it. *proud of myself* you may or may not include it, it's just a thought, maybe i'll even have the other ones after another part(s?) i trust you to do your big brained thing. 'i started writing it' YAY good luck catmom, meow meow!! sending you all my best love and big brained thoughts through a lot of kisses!! 'wow i love it when language does that' i'm glad you love it TT i was really nervous about sending russian songs. 'i will say im not feeling making smth fluffy' ig i'm falling ill so my fluffy side craves more sacrifice so... what's going on with the lifetime... 'honestly im a sucker for plots like this' GIIRL were again the same!! i always think what if daemon had a wise present wife instead of rhae (sorry babe you were perfect) who would've made him attend all the council meetings so viserys would've thought about naming daemon his heir... thinking... thinking so much... she'd be besties with corlys and rhaenys and they'd spill some tea every now and then.... ok now i'm crying bc it sounds good for me. (winking but not really. you decide. but one day maybe...) What about dimash!! this song is in russian. a lot of artists from post-soviet countries sing in russian. it's easier to promote like this ig. dimash is not really popular in russia as i know? he's been famous for being popular in asian countries as i remember from my most active time in kpop. but he is indeed talented. his voice is amazing. i'm happy to hear he inspires you so much. he's soso good i think he should be more popular and appreciated. hope you've done good with your midterms last semester! love you!! have a nice day/evening!!! take care!! <3
GOOD MORNING LOVIE
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me going through your love letter HAHHAAAH
it must around 8:30 a.m. in your timezone and i've just finished all the tasks i needed to do *star eyes*
well im readinf this at 10:13 am, i googled russian time and the general consensus is that is morning, good morning <3 HAHAH
'i forgot to answer your ask this morning' good. i already thought i said smth wrong, shouldn't had linked those songs or idk TT glad to hear from you anytime, though!
T_T plssssss T_T i will always reply to you i promise T_T i literally just forgot i hadnt done it yet you can tell me anything, link any song, i will read and listen to it all. i will reply as soon as I can always <3
'if you dont want to' no but i literally don't know if i even have an opportunity to do so... actually, the whole death thing is... you know, burning? it's really important to talk about it. it's hard to describe but the death is just not the thing that stops me.
that's fine if you cant watch it. i agree the whole death thing should be talked about, as well as other things that are quite hard to process as a human being.
omg i haven't watched comebacks for.. a lifetime... srry. but it's really been a long time.
that's fineee T_T its all fine T_T
'WHO IS YOUR BIAS MINE IS JOHN' giirl give you 3 seconds to guess yourself... yeah mine too. also doyoung seems too much like me so i just LoOk and relate.
OMG JOHNNY GIRL!!!!!!! I LOVE THAT FOR US :AS:ASH:FAHS:FSAAFAFJFAJF:JASFJASF SLAYY SOULMATES <3 AND DOYOUNG LIKING YOU TOO MUCH AHHAHAHHAH RELATABLE
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'thats so random' I FORGOT THE WORD COACH!!! hghfjjd. awful. like irl i always say every word i know while trying to cheer up smn so my friends joke about me being one of those buisness-motivation coaches.
like a motivational speaker? AHAHAH it's ok i get what you mean but LOL ??? THE EARN YOUR FIRST BILLION WAS SO RANDOM HAHAHH
'interesting to know you like music like that' ig it's more about hyperfixation and nostalgia. it's published in 2012 and it feels. but it's the best part for me.
i completely understand what you mean. i have a lot of song i hated as a kid that i love now only because its a song i knew when i was younger. not that im saying you hated this song or whatever
actually, i like 'my sea' better. but i did fell in love with noize and all his songs yeah... 'i didnt really like the song' it's ok. i was just excited to unit my two fav thins at this moment: your fics an this artist. 'i like the chorus part' AHAAH it's funny that i'm opposite TT
yeah i like the 2nd song better too. interesting to know you like noize haha. i cant believe my fics are one of your two fav things T_T and HAHAHHAH it so funny we're opposite about the chorus HAHAH
'i never actually imagined the first scene to be a childbirth scene' LOLL ok maybe it's me and my bad memory but it mentioned a child and a wound on her stomach so i though...
NAH YOURE SO RIGHT THOUGH. i didnt give too much details on the first part because what was important to me was to show she was DEAD HAHAH and i thought she was like, idk, stabbed in the gut by someone mid wartime thus why Daemon managed to find a sorcerer cos he and yn were situated someone like idk the woods yeah. also in my head she was not that pregnant like full on big belly pregnant ya know. but its 100000% fine that you thought it was kind of a pregnancy death scene T_T albeit the fact again idk if i would ever write smth like that.
'fuck your trauma, she could die and you wont be there?' SAME!! i was a little taken aback when i've read he wasn't present during rhaenyra's labour and didn't support her after due to his trauma and was like?? you claim to love her, fuck she beared your child and you couldn't like don't pay attention to the thing that happened how much time ago? 6 years? literally dont remember even if she died, you wouldn't be there to say her goodbyes like with laena?? i'm angry now
ReAL 🤬🤬🤬🤬 men (derogatory)
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i understand that you got trauma boy, but being pregnant/giving birth IS SUPER FUCKING TRAUMATIZING AND DEADLY HELLO??????????????????????????? men (derogatory)
(( 'i love how were planning the ending already but i havent even made p3' lol well you asked for this and triggered my imagination, so just enjoy. i'm glad you at least like it. *proud of myself* you may or may not include it, it's just a thought, maybe i'll even have the other ones after another part(s?) i trust you to do your big brained thing.
[chanting] trust in the big brain. i love all your ideas. im happy i trigger your imagination. [pats head] i'll do my best to make everything coherent and add as many ideas as you told me into the story
'i started writing it' YAY good luck catmom, meow meow!! sending you all my best love and big brained thoughts through a lot of kisses!!
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'wow i love it when language does that' i'm glad you love it TT i was really nervous about sending russian songs.
you can send me alien songs id still listen to it
'i will say im not feeling making smth fluffy' ig i'm falling ill so my fluffy side craves more sacrifice so... what's going on with the lifetime...
[chanting] SACRIFICE SACRIFICE i will say tho i have some fluffy fics lines up so HAHAH but idk if p3 of waiting for a lifetime will be fluffy
'honestly im a sucker for plots like this' GIIRL were again the same!! i always think what if daemon had a wise present wife instead of rhae (sorry babe you were perfect) who would've made him attend all the council meetings so viserys would've thought about naming daemon his heir... thinking... thinking so much... she'd be besties with corlys and rhaenys and they'd spill some tea every now and then.... ok now i'm crying bc it sounds good for me. (winking but not really. you decide. but one day maybe...)
the 'sorry babe you were perfect' AHHAHH 💀💀💀💀i love the chaos. DAMN sometimes i wish i could just watch these ideas instead of writing them T_T or someone else could write it so i could fucking read T_T asflashfasfafhafash [dramatic wailing noises]
What about dimash!! this song is in russian. a lot of artists from post-soviet countries sing in russian. it's easier to promote like this ig. dimash is not really popular in russia as i know? he's been famous for being popular in asian countries as i remember from my most active time in kpop. but he is indeed talented. his voice is amazing. i'm happy to hear he inspires you so much. he's soso good i think he should be more popular and appreciated.
he is he is such an amazing artist. im glad it was in russian i totally knew that AHHAHAH lololol jk. interesting fact to know about post-soviet countries. he is more popular in asian countries i think. i hope he finds more success too <3
hope you've done good with your midterms last semester!
yeah my midterms was fine. my partner made her part too high and un-singable for herself though 💀💀💀and i couldn't save her with autotune. idk why she did that i made the key not so high and she still messed it up a/lshflas T_T RIP
love you!! have a nice day/evening!!! take care!! <3
i love you <3 i hope you have a nice day as well. i fell like i have to say i finished writing at 10:45am so idk you know what time im sending this from <3
take care my lovie. i have assignments to do now
xxx
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