#in asoiaf and otherwise

[catofoldstones]

Why do dudebros hate a feast for crows so much? We get such interesting POVs like Cersei, Arianne and Brienne.

One literally said Sansa is still idiotic as fuck and Brienne should be finished because her story is boring and adds nothing to the plot.

Like, are we reading the same books? Do you understand the point the author’s trying to make? Are you that far up your own ass to be that blind?

#Oh and don’t even get me started on the prose is so pretentious #we know ‘pretentious’ is just a euphemism for ‘I can’t read’ #but that’s still slightly beside the point #the ugly stepchild of asoiaf #hope they had given this book 0.75 minutes on the show #huh? #I’ve only read it a little but the sand snakes are the best coolest characters I’ve ever encountered #in asoiaf and otherwise #and what’s the point of Brienne? #she IS the point #the foil to all the knights we have seen in the series till now #also yes Catelyn’s back you can die mad about it #I swear y’all read the books with your ass cheeks #🙄 #asoiaf #sansa stark #brienne of tarth #arianne martell #cersei lannister #game of thrones #affc #a feast for crows #why was I looking for reviews #sigh #it’s on me guys #they way their misogyny and racism just JUMPS out #you just wanna see people get murdered needlessly #you thought this was your manbro alphamale novel #and when it when it proved to be otherwise #with WOMEN’s POVs your dick shrank back inside huh

[saessenach]

What is honor compared to a woman’s love? What is duty against the feel of a newborn son in your arms… or the memory of a brother’s smile? Wind and words. Wind and words. We are only human, and the gods have fashioned us for love. That is our great glory, and our great tragedy.

Jon Snow - and family that haunts him, because sometimes ghosts make for the best love stories.

#asoiaf #my art #artists on tumblr #asoiaf fanart #valyrianscrolls #jon snow #rhaegar targaryen #lyanna stark #rhaelya #rhaegar x lyanna #r+l=j #a song of ice and fire #fanart #digital art #procreate #canonjonsnow #agot #adwd #grrm #i am obsessed with the fact that this boy has so many ghosts surrounding him #here are rhaegar and lyanna's ghosts getting handsy in the afterlife #and that is robb's crown bc there's also a legacy there #insane how jon's legacy is love #he's a bastard! and yet the outcome of an unlikely and impossible love #he was loved! otherwise this story makes no sense #anyway this has been in my wip folder for far too long #i must send it out into the world

[archamion]

Arianne, Aegon and Gerold

My favourite (living) Dornish baddies

#arianne martell #aegon vi targaryen #young griff #gerold dayne #asoiaf #asoiaf art #until grrm releases winds or confirms otherwise i’m gonna pretend aegon is elia’s son #you can pry it from my cold dead hands #my art

[hylialeia]

I've really soured on the whole "if these female characters end up in any position other than one of feudal power and influence it means GRRM is perpetuating the harmful idea that women should be punished for their ambition" because while I am aware that is a rather disappointing and common takeaway in fantasy (and other) series in general, I am ALSO aware the strongest most consistent hammer-you-over-the-head-with-it motif across asoiaf thus far has been "FEUDALISM BAD" which is sort of hard to keep impactful when your endgame is "and then they ruled happily ever after and were so good at it nothing bad ever happened again". y'know.

#asoiaf #which I also think of irt kitn bran because while I find that a likely endgame #I also am unsure how positive of a thing it will be or how well it might mesh with this particular theme otherwise #something to chew on for sure #asoiaf meta #ish

[pookiebearsnookumsalicent]

♡ Mama's boy ♡

Half as small and twice as fierce as his older brother, Prince Aemond only allowed his mother, the queen, to bathe him.

#click for better quality #pls click for better quality this looks so bad otherwise #i love them💔 #mommys little war criminal🥰 #aemond is a bit of a confusing character for me🤔 #in the show he is THE mama's boy #in f&b he's... a piece of work lol #alicent hightower #aemond targaryen #team green #pro team green #hotd fanart #f&b #asoiaf #my art #im still a novice so drawing and shading this kicked my ass lol #babies are my M.O.

[melrosing]

👀

end of year wips!

#ask #asoiaf #robb stark #theon greyjoy #theon came out looking too young otherwise I was gonna add Jon but whatever 😭 #he reminds me of twig from the edge chronicles….. #end of year wips 2023 #melrosing art

[fromtheseventhhell]

Arya *learns that Bran can communicate through Weirwoods*: Oh, so that means it was you who spoke to me in Harrenhal?

Bran:

#arya stark #bran stark #asoiaf #Arya talking about how much that moment helped motivate her and Bran's just like ???? #I'm an /the old god's spoke to Arya personally to remind her of her identity/ truther until I'm explicitly told otherwise #I also really love the potential for us to get /another/ moment of Arya reclaiming her identity in front of a weirwood #Her listening to Bran through Nymeria then she wakes up and we get /Arya/ opened her eyes 🤭

[thevelaryons]

Addam/Ben + Renly/Loras

↳ parallels

#valyrianscrolls #asoiafedit #litedit #asoiaf #addam velaryon #benjicot blackwood #renly baratheon #loras tyrell #addam & ben #renly & loras #gifs #*mine #I did want to include another parallel but there's no direct quote for it otherwise it would be here too #anyways I do believe benji was most likely the reason addam visited the isle of faces #and they probably prayed together there before the battle #just as renly & loras were said to pray together

[dragondream-ing]

Just saw a comment on YouTube saying S*nsa is the “hope” of ASOIAF and the “only reason to keep reading” because she “never resorts to hate and violence” and is “selflessly taking care of her cousin in the Vale” (apparently they missed the part where she’s part of the poisoning sweetrobin situation???) This comment went on to describe Arya as “basically a child soldier with an AK” and that her fans won’t admit she’s “fallen” and “lost her humanity,” basically arguing Arya shouldn’t be viewed as an aspirational figure.

Is there any other fandom with as many people who’ve very obviously never read the books or, if they did, skimmed and supplemented with bad metas? And that have extremely loud and wrong and insulting interpretations they insist are the Truth™️?

Anyway, I’m reminded daily why I do not engage with the ASOIAF fandom on YouTube lmao

#anti stansas #anti sansa stans #Arya is so much more than an attack dog and I’m sick of antis claiming otherwise #is there any fandom so obsessed with secondary and tertiary characters as asoiaf??? #sorry your fave isn’t part of the key five but you can’t elevate them to main character by crapping on the main characters #that’s not how things work lmao #I know Arya is amazing but antis should curb their jealousy #ASOIAF YouTube is a cesspool

[noodlefiasco]

I got really upset that the Targaryens did fuck all to incorporate themselves into the imagery of the Seven, such as Balerion informing what the Stranger looks like.

So I drew @systlin's OP OC from her Mitraka Series as the Stranger with Balerion features

#systlin (the character) #Mitraka Series #A Crossing of Fires #asoiaf #noodle art #the Stranger as Balerion fucks and no one can tell me otherwise

[cthaehbutwithafrog]

A couple of smooches from my favorite asoiaf fic!

Before Your Judgment by lionoftarth 🧡

#this is my canon until George says otherwise #my plan is to draw all the smooched but I’m shit at finishing stuff so who knows #if you like Brienne and Jaime do yourself a favor and read it #trust me #is good shit #asoiaf fanart #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #my art #braime #Brienne of Tarth #Jaime Lannister #jaime x brienne #game of thrones #a song of ice and fire fanart

[a-secret-bolton-vampire]

Something has been bugging me lately; why is it that so much of the ASOIAF fandom hates romance? Like, this is a problem I've noticed and it's honestly kind of weird. To be sure, George's view on what is romantic is, uh, dubious at best, but to outright be so against it the way I've seen some people be against it is quite bizarre, to say the least.

Rhaegar and Lyanna? Of course there's no romance there! Rhaegar clearly was just using Lyanna as a baby factory to produce a super prophecy child because that's all there is to his character!

Jon and Daenerys? They won't be getting together like that dumb show! And if they are, it will be purely a political marriage! No lovey dovey stuff there!. After all Dany likes "bad boys" (which somehow translates to "evil men") so why would she like a strong, assertive man like Jon? And why would Jon like her? Not like he likes strong fiery tempered women!

Those are the two biggest examples but there is more. Daemon Blackfyre and Daenerys Targaryen are more ambiguous since they are historical characters, but a lot of people are convinced it was 100% unrequited love.

I've even seen fans complain about the line from Barristan where he thinks about how Bittersteel and Bloodraven's rivalry over the affections of Shiera Seastar caused the Blackfyre Rebellions. Like sure it wasn't the only reason, but to think that jealousy and romance didn't have an effect on those rebellions is a bit weird.

Yes, I am aware these are some problematic pairings, not least of which because most of these are pretty incestuous. However, the complaints about these romances do not stem from a moral quandary. In the case of R+L, you see people calling Rhaegar a groomer and pedophile (see my post on him on my full thoughts there), but the majority of it is simply "well it's stupid because they told no one and caused a whole war, the selfish brats" (bonus points if someone specifically targets Lyanna).

Okay, setting aside the fact that, like with the Blackfyre Rebellions, Robert's Rebellion was caused by far more factors than their elopement, why does making it an abduction Rhaegar did simply for a magic messiah baby make it a better story than the fact these two were in love and desperate to escape situations they felt trapped in, leading to shortsighted decisions that had an unexpected affect on many people?

With Jon and Dany, the backlash is "but that's so cliche! George wouldn't do something as cliche as two of the biggest protagonists falling in love." As if George doesn't constantly engage with cliche storybeats as often or even more than he subverts them. Even when the evidence for the two getting together is literally so overwhelming that you'd need to be willfully ignorant to ignore the foreshadowing (plus the fact George literally said that their union is "the point of the series").

And again, I must ask; why is Jon and Dany marrying to secure a political alliance without any real love between them a better story than an epic, doomed romance between two people who have gone through such similar struggles and have such similar personalities? What does R+L=J even exist for if they are just a couple of convenience using each other?

I'm not saying you have to love and ship all these people together. Because we sometimes forget our little fandom bubble, most people are not okay with even fictional incest ships. That's okay. Sometimes it's not even incest ships, but again, that's okay! We are all different and have our preferences! Some might not even care much for romance.

But the way a lot of this is criticized doesn't read like that. It's always focusing on the negative aspects. Especially with Dany's love interests. I'm not a fan of Daario and Dany, personally, but it is a bit uncomfortable how she is targeted so heavily for thinking and getting horny about him. Like... let a girl be horny and infatuated? Lol, I don't know!

With Rhaegar and Lyanna, Prince Duncan the Small and Jenny of Oldstones, the "problem" is that their disregard for political betrothals and following their hearts makes them stupid monsters who are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands. That is absolutely not the way we should take these romances.

These doomed, tragic affairs aren't about how people are selfish. It's about the power of love. The way love makes people act rashly. The way love consumes someones thoughts and feelings. Love is powerful, it is transformative, transcending. That is the point. Even in spite of the death and chaos occurring around it, the love these people have for each other is something that cannot be broken.

I feel like the fandom has taken the wrong approach to this series tone and themes. I'm not George's biggest personal fan, to be quite honest, but he is a self described romantic. Turning Rhaegar from a lovestruck prince to a selfish crazed maniac is not romantic. Turning romance or potential romance into cold political maneuvers is not romantic.

The point of all this is that, yes, the world is dark. It's scary, it's cruel, unforgiving, and cold. But in that darkness, there are pockets of light that shine and make you feel safe, and warm, and happy. It makes you forget all the troubles around you. That light, that warmth, that love, is worth fighting for, even if it's all that is left, even if it doesn't last.

I am of course, slightly biased in my assessment, lmao. You could say that me, being a bisexual polyamorous transfemme, is maybe a bit of a big fan of romance and love! Yet, it still saddens me that people try to keep romances from just being romances, and try to make the story and world more bleak as a result. We already have Ramsay, Joffrey, Gregor, Euron, Randyll Tarly. We have people who use love against others for their own gain or outright reject it violently. We don't need more of that.

#asoiaf meta #asoiaf #jonerys #rhaegar x lyanna #asoiaf discourse #watch out i might be poking more at the fandom in later posts #i just have a lot of thoughts and need to put them down somewhere otherwise they drive me crazy

[rhaenin-time]

Alicent, and the way people misunderstand Alicent, remind me so much of this paper about Egypt's conservative Women's Mosque Movement that argues we need to reevaluate how we conceive of women having "agency," especially when they're acting to uphold patriarchal systems and I can't stop thinking about it...

#what is this? #my stray thoughts #I do think we too often limit Alicent parallels to fundamental Christianity when her experience is actually broader than that #the fact that i need to tag this #anti alicent hightower #because otherwise her stans will get offended at me accurately interpreting her character is wild #anti alicent stans #asoiaf #fire and blood #hotd

[rise-my-angel]

I am here for your takes on Dani. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought her x Jon smelled of hot garbage. Like at best she was meh, and then when the two of them met I was just like "oh no....you're an entitled bitch". And now that its been years since I last consumed GoT, my thoughts have fermented into "oh no, she really is a conqueror" "oh no, everyone loves her because 'pretty badass lady'" "oh no i'm the fandom minority again". Anyway, where was I. She and Jon had no chemistry. The end.

The *only* way putting them in a romance even makes sense in concept is when you realize Benioff and Weiss gave Jon the Young Griff arc. It's why they gave him a Targ name, beacuse if they call him "aegon" then they can fufill that part of the books without ever having to establish Young Griff as his own character. He is the supposed son of Rhaegar Targaryean and Elia Martell, he goes to Westeros with intentions of using his better claim to take the throne and intends initially on marrying Dany, and it's theorized heavily that Dany will see his claim as a threat and the Burning of Kings Landing will come down to Aegon against Dany.

Jon Snow has nothing to do with that. He is a moral opposite to Dany as a charecter, and we've seen him time and time again be at strong odds against people with her morals. But by giving him the Young Griff arc, it means putting him into the romance spot when it makes no sense for him.

Hey I put a read more beacuse I cannot shut the fuck up about how this relationship is just rape and abuse but beacuse Jon's a man we think he wants it.

All of season 7 Jon is so out of place because he doesn't belong anywhere near Dany's Iron Throne plot, and he's being forced to interact romantically with a charecter that clearly he does not like as a person and is uncomfortable with.

But, Dany is the sacred cow of the GoT/asoiaf fandom. You love her and if you critizize her for villanious actions or morals then you are using bad faith towards her. While I personally don't like her, I don't mind other people liking her but I despise that her stans all refuse to allow any conversation about her being a morally bad person. A person who enjoys cruelty and death, enjoys creating fear and is smug when she can control others. That is not a person Jon would love, let alone even respect.

Their entire relationship wreaks of abuse, of Jon being forced into this and knows he cannot leave it without risking his and his families lives. Remember when Tyrion gave a very small level critisism of her actions and she angrily accused him of treason and siding with his family instead of her? Well what do people think would she have done, if her attraction to Jon was refused? Someone who she took all the defenses away from, all the power from, and could have killed at any moment (dont make an ygritte comparison mimi dont make an yrgitte comparison this is a different anti jon x fandom female fave charecter post).

I don't care how the show frames it, or what the intent was. What we got on screen, was Jon Snow being held prisoner to an immoral, cruel, military conquerer. And when that woman was attracted to him, she essentially forced herself into his life and gave him all but no choice. The Jon bending the knee scene and..the uh...boat...scene...later...uhhh....anyways, those to me feel so out of charecter. You cannot convince me Jon did any of this willingly. He is clearly trapped in this situation and cannot leave and is only with her beacuse she is violent and bloodthrirsty. But beacause Jon is a strong, capable man, it's not talked about as if he's the victim and that is insane to me. (Oh my good god the ygritte comparisons are almost laughable send help).

I don't consider a lot past season 5 to be canon, but if I am forced too, then I refuse to accept Jon was a willing participant in that relationship.

Jon's parentage reveal will always be about the revelations of his mother, and the understanding and acceptance of WHY Ned raised him the way he did. And how it was both his parents, his mother and his adopted father who loved him and kept him safe. The very fact that Young Griff's entire story is based around whether or not he truly is Rhaegar's son as opposed to that being a twist reveal is beacuse HE is the charecter whose Targaryean links is the important one. Jon's story is about him as Stark, and is always shown to be the moral opposite of Dany.

Their relationship in the best senario is not canon, but if it has to be, then there is no world in which Jon is there of his own free will. He is being forced into this relationship against his will. But considering his other love interest was another charecter who essentially forced him into a relationship against his will, and we were supposed to root for that tells me all I need to know.

Dany is a sacred cow charecter, and her stans are unreasonable in defending her. When you can like a charecter and critize them for their actions. Ned Stark was an idiot for ever trusting Petyr Baelish, Catelyn Stark's spiteful attitude and neglect of Jon Snow is was abusive behavior, Theon Greyjoy was a moron who ruined his own life for a father who long since abandonded him. Bam all charecters I love and there are some major flaws that I refuse to defend them for but thats also what makes them good charecters. Their flaws arent writing flaws, they are personal flaws for them as people.

Dany is not allowed to have personal flaws she is always to be justified even with incredibly bad faith defenses, but when she is flawed it's the writings fault not hers. Dany is a cruel, sadistic, controlling, military tyrant who enjoys watching her subjects fear her and her dragons. And she forced Jon Snow into a relationship with her beacuse otherwise then he is against her and we already knew she has no use for people who dont support her to be alive.

Jon Snow deserved better then to have both his love interests be domineering, controlling, abusive women who forced him into a romantic and sexual relationship.

Also, I mean, incest being normal is only a learned trait from Targaryens supporting their own blood purity. Jon was not raised to think incest is normal. Dany thinks its normal beacuse she and Viserys both were raised to think that, and Young Griff thinks marrying Dany is normal beacuse he too was raised with the mentality that Rhaegar would've been raised with. Jon finding out Dany was his aunt would've had Jon looking right at Sam and just

#i liked her in early seasons of the shows run #but quickly i realized I was watching a charecter who would never see herself as in the wrong and her fans did the same thing #wheras Jon wears his flaws on his sleeve and is always fighting to better himself against a world telling him its fine to be a bad person #he is a good man with a strong moral compass and would see through her facade in zero seconds flat #he DOES HE CALLS HER OUT ON HER ENTITLED VIOLENT ATTITUDE BUT THE SHOW PRETENDS ITS A MEET CUTE #HE HATES HER #he and davos would turn their asses around and swim back to winterfell before hed ever even remotely like her as a person #this isnt a judgement for those who enjoy her as a charecter #but instead a critisism of those fans for having absoutelty no objectivity in talking about her flaws and morals as a person #jon fucking hates her and no amount of uwu look how pretty she is will ever fucking convince me otherwise #game of thrones #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #jon snow #anti jonerys #anti daenerys targaryen #anti targ stans #anti targaryen

[elena--89]

The way Stark stans are pretending that Jon is only Lyanna's son and not Rhaegar's.....

They way y'all feel so threatened by his Targaryen's heritage....

Take it up to GRRM for making him a Targaryen, and not only a Stark

Sorry people, these two are father and son

And Jon is also the biggest emo in the series after his father lol

You can't erase it. He's both a Stark and Targaryen. They are part of him. Stay salty, because GRRM doesn't care about your delusional takes and self projection.

#asoiaf #jon snow #rhaegar targaryen #lyanna stark #game of thrones #Rhaegar is cool if the antis need his evil Targaryen blood to get the iron throne #or the dragons #Otherwise Jon is gonna hate his father #ah the self projection lol

[pearly--rose]

Chapters: 12/13 Fandom: A Song of Ice and Fire - George R. R. Martin, A Song of Ice and Fire & Related Fandoms, Game of Thrones (TV) Rating: Mature Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Jaime Lannister/Brienne of Tarth – Chapter 12 Summary:

“Huh,” Brienne said, sinking to sit beside his hip. “I’ve got a bunch of texts and a voicemail from Margaery last night.”

Jaime finally roused at that, hauling himself up with a grunt as she flicked through Margaery’s texts. The first few were all variations of give me a ring when you get this and the last was a link to a news article, published late the night before.

“Checking in, was she?” Jaime asked, dropping a kiss to her shoulder before tucking his chin over it. “What will you tell her? ‘Trip’s going well, spent the night blowing Jaime Lannister’s back out, looking forward to this morning’s interview’?”

#actually hilarious that I thought I'd have this fic wrapped up before the end of the year #I swear I re-wrote parts of this chapter at least 10 times #it's as done as it'll ever be otherwise I might just go insane if I keep letting myself edit it #can't believe it's finally so close to being finished though #my fic #fic update #jaime x brienne #asoiaf