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sisterdivinium · 6 months

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You know, for a show with so many female characters that so many of us love given how they all get time in the spotlight one way or another and they fill that time up rather wonderfully since they are deeper and more developed than what we're used to seeing in general media, it is peculiar (to say the least) to see so few "alternative" ships to the main one.

I'm not saying the canon ship doesn't deserve its attention -- I'm wondering instead why the canon ship and it alone seem to guide the WN fans who just so happen to enjoy writing/reading fic or fanart or whatever.

You'd think all these cool women would inspire more ships or combinations thereof, but those of us who aren't invested in avatrice just... Float along, around one another, ignored (and, yes, mostly undisturbed too; being unpopular does have its advantages and that includes a lot less weirdos leaving you strange or awkward messages -- it does not, however, shield us from people flooding our goddamn tags on AO3 with fic that has nothing to do with our little ships and I do wish such negligence of the pairing itself meant we didn't have to deal with this spam...)

I am also not saying that fandom activity should be based solely on shipping (and recently someone on Reddit was rather confused by the fact that a lot of it is, which is quite an interesting topic to discuss in itself -- after all, there is more to fan creativity than shippy fic... Or there used to be), merely that, here, it appears that a canon relationship can outshine interest in the other, non-canon ones. It's already there and it was doubtless well-done by the show, so it's natural that it should claim people's attention, sure. It's just that being canon was never the parameter for whether people were interested in these or those two (or more) characters maybe being involved and trying to explore what that could mean through fanwork.

There has always been a complaint haunting fandom spaces concerning the minuscule amounts of f/f fic, art, discussion, w/e based on how few (interesting or sympathetic or relatable) female characters there are in media at large. So what I'm curious about is why fan creations made around WN -- a show that finally gives us a whole cast of female characters that are what we have been craving for decades -- don't also reflect its diversity.

There are alternative ships (I'm here, all happy in my tiny Doctor Superion bubble, and I know there are Camila/Lilith, Ava/Lilith, Mary/Shannon, Mary/Lilith shippers out there, so a warm hello to you if you're reading this), but go on AO3 and compare the numbers of things tagged with these proper pairings to the grand total of WN stories. Better (or worse) still, do so with the "otp: true" trick or simply by excluding avatrice from the search to see how many are left.

It's... A considerable difference. And a mystery, at least to me.

#tagging this as #warrior nun #simply because i'd like to talk about this and maybe some of you have thoughts or theories about it #i just ask you engage in good faith if you do. i'm not pointing fingers at avatrice people i think they're fine and dandy #i'm just -- to reiterate -- surprised at how little interest there is in other ships when the potential is all there #(is it because they're nuns? that never stopped avatrice so why should it stop others...)#(besides lilith is hardly still a nun after s2. bea left. mary didn't really take vows did she? you really thought i was a nun she says...)#meta fandom talk i guess #then again about the nun thing... i have noticed a lot of people just go for aus. i can't recall ever being in a fandom with SO many aus #is the religious aspect an issue by any chance? i also recall someone commenting on how little a part religion played in these aus #curious. very curious.#i imagine some of you are wondering why i care when i don't even read fic but --#-- to quote jillian salvius herself i am a curious person and well you are a curiosity lol

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pinehutch · 9 months

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The Silt Verses my absolute beloved: I'm relistening and was so excited to get back to Chapter 17, and the way that most of the episode just sweeps over you with an unexpected degree of kindness. Important to be reminded that kindness — or something like it — is possible, even in this brutal world.

#the silt verses #tsv #the silt verses season 2 #pine's silt verses relisten #'the words are kind and i enjoy their closeness to my breath' love 2 have feelings about the way we reach for poetry for the ritualized wor #to soothe #as much as all the other things #and now thinking my little thoughts about prayers and rituals and liturgy and how the language of tsv often allows us to navigate #the horrors in a metaphorical-metaphysical?-way #the way the show uses a kind of mythical cadence in its narration carries us into the space of myth or fairy tale #and lets us sit outside it: this is a story #but the naturalistic dialogue and the immersive soundscapes and the so-real performances force us to be present #writing meta in the tags because its after midnight and i don't have it in me to really write this rn #but I'm eternally stunned by this show #no id #sorry i am in a lot of pain and am going to bed soon!

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sollucets · 7 months

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guys i am trying Really hard not to have public opinions about of this morning... pray for me

#i work really hard not to do that. genuinely. every single time i reblog a meta or post my own opinion or write more serious tags #it is Vetted #i keep these things to my friends & my discord & such on purpose because. because. it's better for everyone #but im hanging on by a thread today i guess :')#for now.... just.... people need to remember that when youre debating fiction like this #the characters are fictional but the people listening aren't #and you can cause real fucking harm by talking about demographics the way people have been #rowan chatter #(if i see someone fucking say ray can't love again i'm going to kill. it's directly to murder i will be committing crimes)#(AND if i see another implication that he should've had to get sent to prison it'll be arson also)#fuck you all you dont get to have ray anymore. im taking him he's in my pocket now #do people even know how rehab & therapy fucking WORK #okay. okay. okay okk okokokkok mission failed a little #but we're far enough down in the tags now. reblogs are off. don't eat me

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lover-of-mine · 7 months

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i’m always interested in your analyses of the blue-green thing! colour is such a cool way of expressing themes or parallels and when you look at it laid out with all the couples, it’s so clear and non coincidental lol

“up until 6b they were really careful with this particular implication of romantic undertones with buddie and that's out the window now” is this in reference to how they carefully set up buddie’s themes and storylines over 5 seasons and then fucked it up in just a few 6b episodes? 😅

because honestly that’s part of the reason why i don’t have much hope for canon in season 7, i feel like they’ve suddenly backtracked on their relationship for some reason and are gonna go all no homo and/or just ruin them completely

post about the blue and green thing

Okay, I'm gonna go conspiracy theorist here, and I may be giving the showrunners too much credit, but here's the thing, we know the threat of cancellation made them change things around during 6b, there's a very clear tone shift, they changed episode names, called actor back for reshoots, so they changed the way the season was supposed to go so it would work as a nice packaged little happy ending if they got cancelled. Personally, I believe that there is some higher plan with Buck and Eddie going on here, I think they are a slowburn that is still burning, and personally, that needs to burn a little bit more until they can have a relationship that would work (getting Buck back in therapy and letting them talk would be ideal) and if you wanna jump ship go for it, I don't blame you, this shit is frustrating. But the thing is, they are very careful about how characters are constructed, and Buck and Eddie exist as mirrors of each other, and they also mirror canon romantic couple, bathena being the most blatant one. And they make a point to make sure that if you look at it closely, you can pick up on some romantic undertone, most major buddie scenes have that feeling that leaves you wondering. And it's not like the show doesn't know how to write friendships, because they do, so... choices. But going back to season 6, it might just be me, but I don't want them to get together for the sake of them getting together, there's a lot of build-up surrounding them for me to be satisfied with "and they kissed roll credits" (i love you *falls to gay superhell*, oh he had complicated feelings over the jeep) so I don't think they fucked it up, I think they didn't have the time to playout what they wanted to do with buddie in the space they had in season 6 and voted against rushing it since there was a chance the show was going to get picked up by someone else. Because it is still very easy to write off both Natalia and Marisol and keep whatever plan they might have and if they didn't get picked up just shoving them together would be unsatisfying. (In the end, it was unsatisfying anyway because the way they wrote the season makes a real effort into painting Buck, Eddie, and Chris as a family unity, so most things that don't end with them acknowledging this are unsatisfying, but it's an easy fix because the show didn't end, so)

Because, in the end, they are purposely writing Buck and Eddie as mirrors of each other, and it goes down to the first death on the job for both of them being someone falling to their death. You have the first love that ran away from them and came back without giving them real closure, you have the rocky relationship with their parents, you have the relationship they were pushed into by other people (Eddie and Ana and Buck and Ali if that's not clear), you have the way that Shannon is introduced and the next episode Buck gets a girlfriend, Shannon dies? Next episode, byebye Ali, Eddie starts dating Ana? Next episode, let's bring Taylor back into the mix, Buck is dating Natalia? What a wonderful time to have Eddie decide he's ready to put himself out there. You have the late confirmation they are the same age. You have the way they both escaped home, the way they found themselves in firefighting. You have the pretty blunt parallels between the shooting and the lightning and the well and the lightning, you have Eddie's will and the way Eddie decided to hide it (because they could have Eddie talk to Buck before changing and I've seen this playout between friends in other shows, but the choice to hide it gives a different feeling), you have multiple confirmations that Buck sees Christopher as his own, you have Eddie being hurt being Buck's berzerker button. One or two things are an accident, this many? They're on purpose, and I chose to believe there is some bigger, longer plan in action here. Sometimes I feel like there's a large percentage of the fandom who doesn't understand the stakes behind a network slowburn. Even shows like castle or the mentalist, where you KNOW they are gonna end up together, took like? 6 seasons? of build-up for something to happen? And like, I want them together, but with everything we have around them, I want them together in the right way, and yes, I think the show is delaying them because the stakes keep getting higher so it's harder to make it work, but I do have faith they can make something good work, just look at everything about them from 6x10 to 6x13.

Also, that particular statement was just about the blue and green thing because I actually looked at every scene where they are together, and they are never in those colors except for those two scenes, and the choice of shades of blue and green is very on purpose to be on accident, you know what I mean? And Buck and Taylor have multiple blue and green scenes, to pick the shades from the shooting is insane really.

Everything is on purpose, but a tv show is not like a book or a movie where everything is gonna be contained, you need to let the story evolve and adapt to the circumstances in which is being aired, and personally, I think 6x16-6x18 are just a detour, some construction on sunset lol, I think they had a choice to keep the season the way it was supposed to go and risk leaving the show feeling unfinished or shift things around and just leave Buck and Eddie feeling unfinished and they went with the second option, because it had less consequences.

Season 7 could absolutely go just kidding, no homo, but the thing is, you have two characters whose storylines are deeply tangled together, you can just sit them down, have them talk, say "you're my brother, dude" and goodbye, they're platonic best buddies. But I also don't think they would draw such a hard line because us crazy buddie shippers keep watching the show in the hopes of seeing them in the same frame together, and I feel like a significant part of people could give up the show altogether if they make such a blunt statement. And the showrunners know that, keeping us in the will they won't they thing helps their numbers and we are a significant enough portion of the viewers to make a difference. The hope of buddie brings audience to the show so I wouldn't expect a no homo thing. Or any hard line between them really.

But what do I know? I'm just a girl with a blog and a hyperfixation lol

#i have theories about season 7 #and the way bucktalia mirror eddiana and how bucks breakdown is coming #leading to a situation that would mirror the effect of the shooting #that would lead to a conversation #would that be another aborted love confession? would that be a plain old love confession? i don't know #i need more information than just i have a feeling to make that statement #shit this is long skaoskoaksoaks #911 meta #???#i really need a tag for asks #anon 😌#i could go on about this forever really sokasokaoskaosk #anyone want to hear my season 7 buddie spec that has no basis besides the voices in my head? sdoaksoaksokasokasoak #reading this back for typos i feel like i may sound a bit condescending and I'm sorry if it does that's not the intention #i just sometimes like to think about the show as a business #and it makes some choices make more sense that way but also makes everything more frustrating #because the goal ends up being numbers and we pay the price #quite literally sokasokaoskaosk

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unforth · 11 months

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Sometimes I wish I could drive home just how little of Chinese fandom culture actually makes it onto Tumblr at all, much less circulates in western Tumblr circles, and I've finally got a solid example.

On this list I reblogged a not long ago, Poyun, which I started reading on Bilibili the other day, has the 93rd most popular ship on all of Lofter, with over 15,000 posts. By comparison, the 93rd most popular ship of that same year (2020) on Tumblr was from Haikyuu, and from 2021 the 93rd most popular was from Miraculous Lady Bug - which is to say, even if you're not into, it's a fandom you've almost certainly heard of if you move in fandom circles at all. Like, those are two fandoms with known, huge followings. Likewise, Yan Xie/Jiang Ting is a big deal ship on Lofter.

I started reading the manhua a few days ago, so I know I'm gonna be posting some of the manhua art to @cnovelartreblogs so I was like, I should check the main tags and queue the art (even if it means I might be exposed to spoilers), and then I won't accidentally duplicate other people's art posting efforts or anything.

Now, granted, I've seen some evidence that tag search is more broken than usual the last few days, but even so...

#po yun: there are maybe 30 posts in "most popular"

#破云: there are maybe 20 posts in "most popular," and they're basically all the same (as in, people tagged both)

#poyun: about the same number, and the only 3 pieces of fanart I can find on the whole platform (@drawulan you don't know me but you are a BLESSING to C-Novel fandoms with small followings on Tumblr. A BLESSING, YOU HEAR? I LOVE YOUR ART.)

Y'all, we have no idea how little we actually know and see about what's popular in Chinese fandom.

#unforth rambles #This is one of the hidden costs of Western fandom being...the way Western fandom is.#idk where i'm really going with this #and i will say some of what's different i wouldn't see change #like my experience with the way top/bottom stuff gets treated in east asian fandoms #while my personal experience is mostly with yaoi fandoms #regardless if chinese fandoms are anything like japanese fandoms in that regard #i'd do basically anything to NOT see that infiltrate western fandom #but we get some of that anyway #i saw a post in the mdzs tag LITERALLY TODAY complaining that people in the bottomji bang #weren't tagging their bottomji and that the poster (oh horrors)#was finding out when they opened the fic and read the a/n #and how DARE people not tag it #so yeah it's not like i can escape stupid toxic top/bottom stuff #which to be clear isn't about people having a preference but is about how people talk about those preferences #but anyway i want all the good parts and not the parts i don't like lmao #like all the art and meta #but we can't have nice things because white people #standard disclaimer i am also white people

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thatonecrookedsmile · 2 months

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["So what can you expect in the coming months?"] ["…you never know!"] ["He’s always watching me..."] ["-I saw Mister Drew the other day…was meeting with that Connor fellow, holding some papers."] ["I think they saw me looking though…"] ["Just too many secrets being cooked up in the kitchen!"] ["If I didn’t know better, I’d say there was magic there."] ["A well calculated understanding between creation-"] ["-big things are coming!"] ["-and creator."] ["Massive things!"] ["That smile…"] ["..you just learn to go with it."] ["He’s always watching me..."] ["You just watch…"] ["I’ve got a good feeling something great is going to happen…”]

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…How very interesting,such… knowledge.

{A message from Wilson Arch}

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Yoooo, guess who is having a birthday today. Me,obviously. :D

Oh, and Wilson too, I guess. If you wanna be THAT guy.

Remember when this video came out there were people who heard the voice at the end and thought the voice was either Sammy or the Ink Demon? Man, those were the days. However with all due respect, I'm glad neither case was right in the end lol.

On this day 5 years ago, "Unknown - April 14th" was posted on YouTube, which means it's been 5 damn years since we first heard from Wilson...

man, what a damn BABY MAN, am i right folks

It's interesting to think that even though it's been 5 years, we've only known who Wilson really is for 2 years now (or more appropriately, 1 year and 5 months of those 5 years). Of course, now, after BATDR was released, we know who he is and what his place is in the Bendy universe. But between April 1, 2019 and November 1, 2022, all we knew about him was that he…existed. He was someone - someone bad apparently - who sounded old and who would have some relevance in the plot of Dark Revival. And that's it. We had no name, no appearance, nothing. He was someone, but we didn't know who.

It's no wonder he was only referred to as "Unknown" by fans during these 3 and a half years.

In the end, I would say that this drawing is a mix of 2 things. The first being the result of an idea I've had for a while, which is basically making a drawing in relation to the original video/"unknown" tape, but this time with Wilson, since now we know it was recorded by him. Plus it's been 5 years since the original upload,5 years of Wilson. I think this would be the perfect time to do this.

And second, a strange kind of redux/homage/"final chapter" in this kind of "collection" of drawings I did between 2019 and 2022 all based on the idea of "the unknown weirdo from BATDR saying How Very Interesting Such Knowledge" and so on. All of them having other characters in mind in the role of the Unknown. And now, here I am, redoing this idea again, only with The Man Himself this time. The real Unknown. Now as the Known, so to speak.

Going back to what I said before, you can see this drawing as a kind of farewell to this particular idea that I've kind of repeated over the years, as I've now done it again only with Wilson this time. (Does this mean I'll never draw this concept/line of thought again? I mean, I assume so. But there's no guarantee I can't make something similar again down the line. Who knows what the future holds. We will see what happens in the next 5 years.)

But,yeah. 5 years of Such Knowledge™.

Have a good April Fools' Day.

(Also, there are still a few hours until the day ends where I live, so for me it's still April 1st, so yeah, this still counts)

#bendy and the ink machine #batim #bendy and the dark revival #batdr #wilson arch #crookedsmileart #I'm going to start headcanon that Wilson's birthday is on April Fools. It fits him 😌#yo perspective SUCKS; who created this;i'm gonna beat them until there's no more.#also;lighting is so. hard;how do you all do it #Does anyone have tips for lighting; it would be a huge help /gen #also also;drawing the audio logs was a BATTLE. It was sooo boring; why do I do this to myself #so many details and I had to do it in 7 of them; and it's because these are the DR models;which have more details;#if I had to make them based on IM models I would probably make them simpler. But I wanted to be accurate :-)))#since we are on this subject (and I'm 99% sure of this)#Did you know that the textures in the audio log models used in the final game #are different to those used in the videos published between Feb and April 2019? and a little less detailed?#I realized this when I was looking for references for the drawing #the audio logs in those videos and the audio logs in the final game are not the same thing (at least in terms of texture)#Next time you play BATDR; think about this lol /hj #in retrospect; I don't think those audio logs published at the time would really be relevant to the game's plot #and I think that in the end their purpose was (besides worldbuilding i guess) just to tease the existence of Wilson #I still think that Joey's audio was supposed to be more of a meta thing since the real JDS was actually growing during that time #in my head; that at least makes sense (referring to the last 2 tags)#anyway;happy birthday Wilson;you old bitch #ok i finally post this;now back to the HOG

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soppingwetguywife · 9 months

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you know what boggles my mind about these takes on guillermo and his great big betrayal this season? it's the fact that some people have managed to so thoroughly divorce this arc from what happened last season as if the two don't correlate. as if the fact that nandor betrayed guillermo first and in one of the worst ways he could think of has nothing to do with where they are now

okay so there are Four of these and they're all SO correct so im gonna put all of them and my thoughts under the cut (yeah i know nobody comes to my blog for Hot WWDITS Takes (or.... for anything) but this whole situation has me pressed okay) thank you so much anon i NEED to talk about this

"and i don't mean that in the way that some have meant it in a guillermo is doing this for revenge type of way but just that freddie was his last straw but instead of leaving like he would have before he decided to stay on his own terms. he decided that for once fuck what nandor wants, he'll do what he wants instead. guillermo literally started of season 4 saying he was looking out for number one and then he didn't for MONTHS but sure he's a monster for following up on his promise to himself" "and freddie isn't just some isolated incident that doesn't have any context. take this from guillermo's pov, he spent weeks (maybe months? unclear on timeline here) preparing a wedding, being asked to do impossible shit but somehow coming through and his reward was that one moment of nandor admitting he cares for him by calling him his best man (we know he meant best friend so did memo i'm sure) and then nandor had to take that away." "'cause just so we're clear best friends don't fuck your boyfriend. there might have been some extra steps there but ultimately that is what nandor did and he didn't think to stop for a second why he was doing it, if it would hurt guillermo, just nothing. so guillermo i think was back to square one, nothing has changed nandor can be kind for one second and do something so blindingly selfish and cruel the next and this fandom really expected him to lie down and take it"

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN!!! YOU GET IT ANON!

so, i must start with this. every season, almost always, continues in a sort of vacuum. not so much that there's no continuity, because there usually is! so let's just follow guillermo, because there's a point i want to make here.

S1- guillermo learns he is a slayer. S2- guillermo reveals he has spent the past summer killing vampires to keep the house safe, which leads into the finale; guillermo goes and rescues the vampires from the theatre in a Beautiful display of murder. S3- guillermo is trapped in a cage, because of that Beautiful display of murder, which leads into the finale; guillermo agrees to go away with nandor on a world trip and eventual turning (this goes wrong, which leads to) S4- guillermo finally returns from being stuck in england, a year AFTER the end of s3, which leads into the finale; guillermo goes to derek to be turned.

NOW. let's assess where the VAMPIRES start and finish throughout the seasons.

and the answer to that is; exactly where they fucking started. because s4 was right. nothing changes. colin robinson dies and is reborn and grows and in the end, he's exactly where he started. nadja grows and learns and tries to forge an identity for herself, and then she fails, and she's exactly where she started. laszlo... okay, laszlo's just along for the ride. and he LIKES where he started. nandor started as a neurotic, cool-hearted washed-up-warlord who tries to be strong, passionate, the leader that everyone looks up to. he doesn't seem to notice nobody looks up to him except guillermo, because duh, why would he notice guillermo? and every season, we're right back to where we started. we see them grow closer, and then we see them ripped apart! and every new season, we're back to joking at his expense. the only notable difference this season is that nandor sort of HAS grown more tolerant of him, a building through-line that we have only seen through guillermo, the only character that changes enough for a bond to be formed rather than assumed (ie; the foot locker, the self-help book, the being insanely jealous that laszlo is spending his time with him) (as opposed to his friendship with the vampires, one that has always been sort of assumed except for with colin robinson, something that s5e6 pretty thoroughly shattered)

this season, we are seeing the inevitability of five seasons and nearly fourteen years of guillermo assuring himself that he would get what he wanted, that he hadn't given up his family and his job and his emotions and the parts of his brain that are... well, human, for nothing. he has been promised and promised and promised that this is the time, this is when the time is right, just TRUST in the inevitability of change in a house full of people that never change and never want to. he has been growing and changing every season, growing stronger, more confident, more capable, unlike the vampires.

but because guillermo is the butt of the joke, because he HAS to be, right? because he has to always be the one that suffers (learning his bloodline kills the very thing he loves, being LOCKED UP for PROTECTING the very thing he loves, being locked in a COFFIN just when he was going to get it, and FINALLY being turned only to be turned wrong and in the most horrible, ugly way???? (well, for him, for me it was a visual treat, love me a man covered in blood)) it turns out that there's this cute little rule! one that we've never seen before (though there is some hinting toward this, i suppose, in the case of celeste, right? she never poached, only took unattached familiars. did she know? we'll never find out, i don't think!) and now the thing he loves (person he loves the most) will be his end, because of course it is, right? and of course he definitely deserves it, right? because he's the butt of the joke, the silly little human who dared to make his OWN life better rather than waiting for a day that was so clearly never gonna come unless he held them at stakepoint or he did.... exactly what he did.

nandor is the deciding factor. and from what we've seen of him for the past five seasons, he's gonna bluster and threaten and probably challenge him to a fight to the death or something stupid like that, but it's not like he has any real bite anymore anyway? but he's NEVER gonna let this go, i don't think, which is INSANE considering how much guillermo has been letting slide for YEARS in terms of his behavior.

if nandor wanted to do it himself, he should have considered 'why the hell would guillermo EVER be late to the one thing he's been telling me for years that he always wanted?'

instead we see in s4e1 that he BLAMES guillermo for leaving him, and refuses to hear anything to the contrary. and again in s5e5, he blames guillermo for not being there for them, and refuses to hear anything to the contrary. to him, the human will always be at fault, and he will always be their better, and it is going to take guillermo not BEING a human anymore to shake that out of him.

from there, it's all up to him, really! (we have to also account for the classic wwdits 'yeah they're all just idiots, they'll be totally fine with it and they'll be back to being besties by s6e2' because i have little faith in any sort of emotional continuity after every season's constant stunting of everyone's Almost-Emotional-Growth)

i genuinely do not know if this made any sense. but i wanted to talk about how the way we've watched guillermo grow and take responsibility for himself makes it so clear that he SHOULDN'T just sit down and take it, even though he seems very much like he's more than willing to. i'm not gonna touch the whole virginity and slut-shaming metaphors, because i do NOT feel qualified to discuss them, and better people have done it (though i do think a lot of them are biased toward nandor rather than guillermo) but i just think that in the lines of continuity, this was EXPECTED, and it being treated like a season-long punchline isn't particularly fair to guillermo! which is the point of the show, and the counter-point of this rant!

guillermo deserves better, he got it, and now they just have to let him HAVE it.

#wwdits meta #wwdits s5 spoilers #guillermo de la cruz #long post #wwdits rant #idk its sort of a rant #it's not NEGATIVE though i guess i can see the ways in which it might be taken that way #its more critical i guess #i'm not gonna tag it as a ship thing because it's really more a meditation on guillermo's place in the plot #thank you for the ask anon your words inspired utter insanity in my brain #anyway it's almost midnight! time to go to bed for me #if people wanna be mad abt this post pls keep it to urself or i guess send me an ask ill check it in the morning

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coquelicoq · 4 months

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definitely having thoughts about what kim dokja looks like to other people vs. to himself...how people keep saying he's "blurry"...how the constellations were surprised that he's not ugly when they saw him in person rather than through a channel...how he's not really a character and he's the only person with the fourth wall...idk idk. much 2 think about.

#and later when he patches a story onto his face to disguise his appearance...like ooook that's sth one can do apparently...#but it's not just story natives who call him ugly - the prophets do too. but that's when he's claiming to be yoo joonghyuk #voted Sexiest Man to Survive a Ruined World 141 times running. so he maybe asked for that a little haha #i'm trying to remember if yoo sangah has ever commented on his looks. because she knew him before. but i can't remember #orv #my posts #anyway i am still only 39% of the way through so no spoilers please 😅#which i don't even know why i'm saying that bc i keep going into the tag where all the spoilers live. i just scroll by everything #really fast lmao #ughughhhughgh i wanna read meta so baddddd #omniscient reader's viewpoint #kdj

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moongothic · 4 months

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Hey anon, I'm so sorry but your ask is obscenely long so I'm cutting it down to bare essentials

Most of the Original Ask was just a copypaste of this forum post, quickly highlighting this comment too

LOOK WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT MORIA, YO! "Defeated by Gellard and returns in the Final Scenario with an even more grotesque appearance than when you first met him."

But yes, I am aware, I have read that exact same thread before (when I first learned about the Romancing SaGa inspo on r/OnePiece and wanted to learn more), and I did briefly discuss the Seven Heroes when speculating about Cross Guild and wherever the fuck that plotline is going

And I'm now going to add onto that original post, because boy howdy do I have some additional thoughts to get out of my brain

Okay so yes, Doflamingo would be the OG Iteration of Bokuohn, the puppeteer who manipulates people. But in the context of Cross Guild... That's Buggy. "Bokuohn is in control of the majority of the Seven Heroes' forces. Situated in the Steppes region, he owns a large landship, complete with an innumerable amount of slaves." That's literally just Buggy. Like he's not a master of psychological manipulation nor can he forcefully manipulate anybody like literal puppets either (the way Mingo could), but. Like scratch out he RoSa2 terms, replace them with the relevant OP terms and it's a perfect description of Buggy.

Bringing that up because I'm still interested in Cross Guild becoming Shichibukai 2.0 But Without The Government This Time, but if we wanted to have exactly seven former Shichibukai to make up Cross Guild and make sure we had like ones who could actually fill out the roles of the Seven Heroes from RoSa2... Yeah there's going to have to be some replacements Not just because otherwise Doflamingo would need to be broken out of Impel Down somehow (which I doubt will happen, also I don't think Crocodile would want him working for him anyways), but also. Jinbei's with the Strawhats. And I don't think he's ditching Luffy any time soon for Crocodile of all people, not when he finally fucking joined the Strawhats for realsies.

So Doflamingo could be replaced with Buggy, cool, sure. What about Jinbei then? Who will take up the role of RoSa2's Subier?

So a while back I wrote this speculation post about if the Burn Scar Man (who has the final Road Poneglyph) could be a Fishman.(PERHAPS specifically Davy Jones?) Bringing that up because during Kuma's flashback we did learn that Kuma got the Shichibukai Slot after Ace defeated one of the seven at the time. And we specifically got to see Ace talk to Jinbei about it, Ace being surprised Jinbei of all people was glad the Shichibukai slot was being filled again. Now obviously, our Firefist Ace defeating a Shichibukai makes for one great candidate on who the Burn Scar Man could be, as Ace could very easily leave someone with some severe burn scars. This is platantly obvious lmao. But it's the conversation with Jinbei that actually interests me, because like. Sure, Jinbei being a fellow Shichibukai, it might be odd for Ace to hear Jinbei be glad that one of his fellow Warlords is being replaced. But that comment could make twice as much sense if that Warlord had ALSO been a fellow Fishman and/or a Merman (and perhaps someone Jinbei might've known better?). Now indeed. We are going to meet the Burn Scar Man eventually, 100%, it's mandatory for the plot to move forwards. Which means we're going to find out who that guy is, and if the Road Poneglyph gets stolen from him, he might have to find something else to do with his life since there won't be any point in guarding it anymore. And hey. If Mr Burns does turn out to be a fellow former Shichibukai who also happens to be a Fishman/Merman and a master of Fishman Karate... Oh hey, what's this? "Subier - A half octopus merman who controls the flow of the ocean to use as a weapon." Like. IDK I think we could have another Cross Guild member on our hands here.

(Honestly, currently the only problem we have is Dantarg, whose role currently being held by Kuma. Like the only other known Shichibukai we have who could be "available" is Law but he hasn't really done any "bodymods to become stronger" and thus doesn't fit the description. Hell, that description fits Kid more than anything but he was never a Shichibukai either. Guess we gotta keep on hoping Kuma somehow survives and just doesn't return to the Revolutionary Army for some reason)

Hilariously the most interesting thing you pointed out was that comment in the forum thread about Moria, 'cause I hadn't even realized this before but

So we know Blackbeard had captured Moria and held him hostage for... weeks, months? Until he was freed by Coby as per Perona's plea during the raid on Fullalead. Interestingly though, although theoretically we know Moria and Perona should have escaped the island by now, we have not seen either, now have we? Which is kind of suspicious now that I think about it. Because like. It'd make perfect sense if Blackbeard and co had been torturing Moria during his time in captivity, right. Have they been feeding my beloved goth onion well? Realistically, probably not?

Like. Thinking about it. We know Moria got chumby after the trauma of losing his crew and all, so what are the odds he might have lost that weight now during his captivity??? What if he looks more like his younger self again, the one see clash with Kaidou??? Or, the more horrifying option. I mean zombies aren't like an inherent part of Moria's DF abilities, just the Shadow Manipulation. But for all we know Moria could have lost a limb or two, and depending on where the fuck Hogback is (dude is supposed to be a competent doctor, he should be able to stitch Moria back up)... I mean theoretically the next time we see Moria he could look like one of his zombies. Or worse.

#Moon posting #Asks #OP Meta #OP Spoilers #Cross Guild #Long post #For the record I was a Moria Stan for well over a decade before becoming a Crocodile Simp #Gecko Moria My Beloved. We stan a Goth Onion #Sidenote when I speculated about how Hancock might interact with Crocodile I did joke in the tags of that post #About how funny it would be if she some fucking how fell in love with Crocodile. Because the mental image of that is funny as hell to me #AND HEY LOOK AT WHAT THE ROMANCING SAGA 2 LORE COULD BE SUGGESTING HERE LMAOOO #Hancock is allowed to enter her Old Man Enjoying Era. As a treat. GOOD FOR HER ((Croc isn't even old he isn't even 50 yet lmao))#I'm so sorry anon if you wanted me to discuss Crocodile more in this post because like. There isn't that much to discuss #Like I've discussed the important stuff in the past and I'm really interested in the Cross Guild side of things with this #Because that plot thread is driving me up the walls and RoSa2 might be the only thing that can suggest where the fuck it's going #MAYBE #So I just wanted to take this opportunity to speculate more about Cross Guild than rediscuss the CrocoLore #But yes Crocodile being trans is super duper confirmed by RoSa2 and that is so very sexy of him

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So, I just know all of Tumblr was wondering, "hey, you remember that really weird ZoLaw fan with the annoyingly overly stylized post? I wonder if she's seen this and if she has any theories or thoughts, an observation or two?"

Well, allow me to set your wandering mind at ease, fictional Tumblr fan. The answer is: No. No, I really don't.

I have like three hundred.

[I also spent time just trying to track down as many translations as possible. Is Tera A Criminal's Daughter or The Daughter Of Thieving Bandits! These are CLEARLY separate things and can ENTIRELY change how her utter nonpresence in Zoro's life shaped him! Though I can take comfort in knowing that, regardless of what kind of crimes her father was committing they were more important than anything his daughter ever did in her entire life.]

And, hey, as might as well jump right into that whole mess.

1. Wait, Zoro's mom is dead? Thank goodness, I was worried Oda forgot one!

(AKA: Stop. Murdering. Moms.)

I'll go first, I don't mind saying when I was wrong. True, in the past I may have suggested that the vast majority of female characters in One Piece come off as ever so slightly, "leaning into sexist tropes with unadulterated joy; it's the misogynistic tropes equivalent of a child running naked through a grocery store. It's right there, everyone sees it, yet people shut up and continue shopping in part because, well, these days you just expect most people to cover that junk! What would you even say? And if you DO speak up and call out the inappropriate, be prepared for blank stares and tantrums; but THEY don't mind! THEY don't think it's wrong! You're just being mean!"

More or less a direct quote.

However, I see now that I rushed to judgement and the reality of the situation is far more nuanced. With that in mind, I was just wondering if someone could help answer some of the questions I have.

Like: Why does Oda believe that it's illegal for (maternal) female characters to survive other character's backstories?

More importantly, why hasn't someone just reached out to explain the misconception!? It can't be that difficult. If nothing else, just have a lawyer or judge or other expert in censorship on hand. Or is the one of those cases where back in highschool his friends made something up and then kept pretending it was real to see if he'd believe you and not only did he fall for it, it took over 20 years before he learned that, what, no that's not illegal. That would be crazy if it were an actual law. Cause you know, after the first 10 years I think yeah you have to just lean into it. Pretend it's a creative decision on your part and definitely not because you were terrified of being sentenced to a slow and humiliating public death.

Just to be clear that's definitely what's up, right? I mean, I'm struggling to think of another reason....able excuse why a story that I really enjoy keeps playing the same old sexist tropes cards again and again to the point of absurdity. It would just help if I had a valid excus- explanation. I almost mistyped the word explanation.

....

So I imagine it went like.

"That's the third mangaka they've had to Publically Execute this week!"

"They've started taking this law way more serious lately."

"This one really deserved it though! I heard his main character has a mother in her late forties!"

"That does seem old to have your first child."

"No, he's the middle of three and 22 years old. The story even has flashbacks of defining moments in his childhood and never once did she try to sacrifice herself for him, get murdered by his enemies, or die in meaningless unrelated accidents."

"Damn, that's cold to be there for all the protagonist core moments and not die and help him develop and grow a character? They must have a very antagonistic relationship. Is she actually the villain."

"Not that we know, and when they asked about this being a possible plot twist since - obviously if she's evil no laws are being broken."

"Well, of course, that's the whole reason Statue 2-dash-57 exists; if creators can show they have consistently been building up to a surprise twist then the female character in question can continue to live so long as she continues to be unrepentant and unlikable until the resolution of her arch by the protagonist."

"That's the thing! Under oath not only did man present no evidence to support her identity as a secret villain, he went on the record stating he wanted to depict their relationship as one of a normal modern 20 year old and his mother."

"That can't be true! What publishing company would even print that!?"

"It gets worse. I told you he was a middle child? Well, according to those who've read the actual manga, his younger sister was really sick as a child."

"Oh, well, at least-"

"It was just a fish allergy. She's perfectly fine."

"Sometimes I feel this law is unnecessarily harsh but.... Then you hear stories like that, and you realize that some people really are monsters."

#So this was going to be one post three parts (because obviously) then I remembered even people who have purposefully followed me hate that #I took into consideration that not everyone wants a unmountable wall of Zoro meta analysis on their dash so now its gonna be 3 post style #keeping in mind I've already written it all up and will just be posting them one after the other so effectively the same result #only with the illusion of my empathetic nature #I do have a lot of thoughts on what amounts to a very small amount of scribbled lines and a couple doodles #he literally didn't even bother giving Kuina's mom or grandmothers a name like they didn't even have a identity #In fairness there wasn't a need for them to have any kind of identities or individuality or identifiable features #everyone knows only one trait really matters when it comes to adult females: they go down #into the ground....as a corpse. After ensuring that their death would be the best way to help their children grow. As characters.#I'm joking cuz its funny. It's obvious why Zoro's mom got a name & description: she gave birth to a protagonist and not a human sacrifice #But have considered why those specific qualities are what he chose to define her by - she's fictional he could have made up anything!#I'll have to talk about it in the other posts I'm wasting precious tag room #one piece #roronoa zoro #one piece meta #one piece sexism #this post is not for everyone; actually its pretty much just for me #conversations with fictional people #more opinions than anyone asked for about subjects they don't even care about #Oh! I found the blogs new subtitle!#author gets sassy then preachy then sassy again and then swerves sharply to the weird #oh these tags are way too much #Zoro's backstory #Zoro family history #amusing musings #why am i the way that i am #three post style: part one!

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swinging-stars-from-satellites · 2 years

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THEY BOTH BELIEVE NO ONE WILL COME FOR THEM

#HOLY HECK I JUST HAD AN EPIPHANY #actually heck now i want to read the arc that one panel that makes me feral is from #bc two kids who believe no one is going to come for them #one because he just doesn't think he's anyone's priority and the other because the last time he called for help it came too late #but they have EACH OTHER??????? INSANE CRAZY #i like how i take one step into comics fandom and immediately go ah yeah I'm gonna read a random run no context #just bc I was shown one(1) panel that happens to be good #anyway so the POINT HERE: tim just flat out doesn't expect people to care enough to come for him. he's so used to handling stuff himself #and not really having anyone else care. that he just. doesn't expect it. he's sorta resigned to it.#whereas jason held so tightly to the hope that bruce would come for him- that HIS DAD would come for him- in his final moments #that because bruce was too late when he comes back as red hood he just doesn't think b or anyone else will come for him again #especially after the ways he's changed. and that HURTS. it isn't acceptance like tim has it's a scabbed over wound #idk how to explain this but it makes sense in my head. neither of them thinks anyone is coming for them if they need it #bc jason has hoped and been let down and he can't do that again. and tim never had the hope in the first place.#I'm just AUGJJJMKDCNMN THESE TWO #Lu rambles #meta finding tag #batfam #tim drake #jason todd #...the meta is in the tags but hey whatever

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kaflowypiec · 10 months

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I can't fucking believe this season made superwholockomens actually canon in show

#Hello fellow senior citizens who remembers that being a thing on DA?#Aziraphale goes to superheaven in secret episode 7 for forgiving being gay #Good omens #Good omens 2 #good omens critical #I'm going to tag other shows in hopes anyone else remembers this #Supernatural #doctor who #bbc sherlock #I'm loosing my mind I'm gonna get off the retirement before it passes 2 weeks because if ppl are writing 16k words meta over bad writing #Then who cares #Art is pointless anyway #(I care. A fucking lot despite of best tries)#nightblogging but not really

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prdsd4na · 2 years

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wake up babes new theory about the ‘i’m not on anyone’s side. i’m on your side.’ scene just dropped (or more than the actual scene, what leads to it lol)

these past few weeks i read some posts in the tag that questioned the motif behind kim investigating on porsche and his family because it seems like it's going nowhere but i don't think this is the case as the series has been showing him investigating since the beginning and i don't think it is that random that then korn in episode 12 just says everything without even being asked so i really wouldn't be surprised if the whole point of kim's investigation is to use him to let the audience find the actual truth through him and eventually show how korn is manipulating the game since day one ???

we know that kim's investigation on screen starts in episode 3 when big meets him and this conversation follows:

presumibly kim was suspicious from the get go after learning that his father hired a random man without background to be kinn's bodyguard

it doesn't show on screen but it's a given that after the conversation with big, kim asks him to find more info about porsche because in episode 4 we get this scene:

big hands kim the file on porsche assuming kim wants to know about porsche because the rumors about there being a mole have spread but that is not why kim is investigating considering that we see him still investigating even after they find out the mole was ken

in episode 4 we're introduced to kim's investigation board for the first time:

he's clearly investigating something even from before he knew about porsche and it's clearly all linked to his father so he definitely suspect korn of something and (not in the screenshot) we see kim fixing porsche's and porchay's pictures on it then looking at it kim isn't suspicious about who porsche is but he wants to know how he could actually be linked to his father

then in episode 5 kim is at the main house looking for something and he almost gets caught by his father so he uses the excuse he came to meet him and this conversation follows:

kim suspects his father of something but he doesn't really know what it is exactly so he tries to test the waters with him and i think it's really interesting the way korn reacts because it all starts with them sitting korn seems chill ready to catch up with his youngest son happy that he came to see him but kim starts to ask questions and something in korn shifts and he puts himself in a defensive position replying to questions with other questions dropping his fake expressions two times visibly altered by they way kim is almost interrogating him and it seems like kim notices it and just interrupts the conversation stands up and leaves i wouldn't be surprised if we will find out that after this conversation korn started having kim followed and monitored and him randomly confessing about porsche's parents death was just a precaution to preceed kim who also found out (end of episode 10) as he's afraid of what kim could do (considering how unhinged kim seems maybe it's common knowledge even in the family lol)

some sort of confirmation that kim isn't investigating to find out if there's actually a mole and who this mole is but that he's actually trying to find out what's the connection between porsche and his father and what his father is hiding comes in episode 8 with this conversation between big and kim:

and this is the first time we learn that the car crash that killed porsche's parents wasn't that much of an accident after all

i always thought that korn playing chess since the beginning of the series represents something bigger than a mere metaphor of power and dynamics because it actually puts him into the role of the puppeteer for the whole show messing with the story it could be that he's just an old grumpy man who has a lot of time on his hands or it actually could be that he wants to test the son who will succeed him in ruling his empire what's for sure is that he's never shown too much and it looks like every character in the story is moving because of him so even tho they think they are abiding to their own destiny they're just his puppets (porsche thought he had a saying in accepting the mafia job but we found out it was korn all along, kinn decided to become the heir to his father because he wanted to step in for tankhun but in reality he's just following his father's order and so on)

let's not forget this is how the very first episode ends, right after porsche accepted the job at the main house:

so of course i wouldn't believe a single word coming out of korn’s mouth in general and particularly during the conversation with porsche and kinn in episode 12 because he was definitely the one leading the conversation how he wanted and it seems really out of character for him to spit out the actual story behind porsche's parents death just like that without porsche even asking about it porsche went to talk to korn because he found out that they manipulated him to make him work for the main family so porsche didn't even know that his parents died in shady circumstances

i really think that the whole 'my friend was behind your parents' car crash so i covered it all up' situation was actually a random excuse a pawn move in korn's chess game we've seen him play since episode 1 to see how it plays out he wants to see a reaction from porsche he definitely wants something from him but we always see him remain calm he always appear quite easy going and chill with that little grandpa smile and as we know porsche trusts this kind of attitude towards him so he easily trusts korn and shows him respect this is why both kinn and porsche seem to believe him and it’s really questionable that he firstly said to porsche that he wanted to make ammend for what happened by letting him work for his family (a reality that could easily gets him killed) but then when kinn presumibly went to live with porsche he himself went out of the house (we never saw him leave the house in twelve episodes) just to give porsche a photo of this said friend that killed porsche’s parents

so… what if korn lied about his friend being the one who killed porsche’s parents in that car accident and him covering it up because it's all part of his big bad scheme?

korn wants porsche to kill the guy in order to definitively corrupt him and have a leverage to use against him for later purposes because up to this point even if porsche is working with the mafia he never actually killed anyone willingly it all was part of the job and this could have been the first life he'd take and something like this (considering for him it would have been the man who killed his parents) would have changed him forever and maybe be the cause for conflict between kinn and porsche so it doesn't come as much as surprise that this is when porsche's uncle appears again with a picture of porsche's family and korn hinting to the fact that korn was friends with one if not both of porsche’s parents or anyway knew them

so thinking back to these handprints appearing in episode 5 when kim almost gets caught by his father snooping around:

who do they belong to ?

if korn and porsche's parents were friends it could be that these handprints belong to porsche and porchay from when they were children and we find out korn actually cared for them all these years after their parents' death remaining informed about anything that happened to them

maybe the car crash that killed porsche's parents was actually caused by them and korn as their friends wanted to cover it up in order to protect porsche and porchay

maybe korn even gave their uncle money each month to support them financially only for their uncle to lose everything gambling and that's the reason for their long-term debts

or it can be that maybe those are kinn's and porsche’s hands and we find out that kinn and porsche knew each other when they were children and actually were friends (like a good old childhood best friends to stangers to enemies to lovers) i mean i may be reaching because the handprints are different sizes but we actually don't know how older than porsche kinn actually is

we know that canonically porsche was in the car crash with his parents and he lost his memory so he doesn't remember what happened during the car crash and with kinn it’s the same he was a child so he could not remember

or it can be that it doesn't mean anything and it was just put there to distract the audience or to mislead kim

at the beginning of the series kinn and porsche meet each other by chance porsche helps kinn and korn watching them on video decides he wants porsche to be kinn's bodyguard even tho he's not trained to be one but why if not because he already knows who porsche is and wants something from him ? but he would have never predicted that kinn would fall in love with porsche and would change so much and that's when he decided he had to do something about it and protect his empire because he knows how his son is when he's weak in love (we learned about it through tawan)

it's fortunate that porsche's uncle is appearing now that kinn's and porsche's feelings and relationship have consolidated to the point they represent something dangerous so what if korn or kan are actually paying him to make kinn and porsche break up? they both have their reasons to:

we know from the conversation between vegas and porsche in the warehouse that porsche's sense of family is really strong because in that moment he couldn't understand why vegas would do something like that to his uncle and cousins and vegas puts him in front of the crude reality that they actually aren't family something he learned and grew up with because of the way his father raised both him and macau as we have discovered in these past few episodes where vegas is with pete so it actually makes sense that using porsche's uncle would work because despite what happened between them he still remains the uncle who raised them after his parents passed away

we also know that by now both kinn and porsche are so in love with each other that they represent each other's strength and in this sense also each other's weakness

korn knows that breaking them apart will bring back the old kinn he's been shaping into being his heir since he was a child

kan knows that if kinn and porsche were to break up kinn would be so weak that he could easily overthrow the main family when they're at their lowest and take power (much like vegas' plan) as in this scene from the trailer kan seems a little too happy about something

regardless i really can't think of a reason that could cause a conflict so big between kinn and porsche capable of breaking them up to the point they find themselves pointing guns at each other again because if we think about where they are now as a couple when a problem arises they are really quick to make up as they forgive each other istantly and just a touch is enough also we already got a scene with kinn and porsche pointing guns at each other in episode 10 before porsche runs away with vegas and we know kinnporsche is a series that uses parallels and foreshadowing and in that moment neither of them wanted to actually hurt the other so i wouldn't be surprised if the scene from the trailer coming during the final showdown at the main house pointing guns at each other goes just like that and they're not really against each other (they don't even have their fingers on the trigger) but i really do believe that a few people would try to separate them in these last two episodes

#ok i'm reposting this because i wasn't happy with the original post so i deleted it lol #too many typos and errors and stuff #english is not my first language soo #i still hope it appears in the tag #i didn't get much engage for the original one rip #but i believe in this post i spent the whole day yesterday writing it please give me a chance lool #also i talked with my sister about it for a whole 40 minutes rip her #but i really think i had a big brain moment #like i actually snapped #like it actually makes sense #i know it's not going to happen but let a girl dream #if it DOES happen i expect boc to reach out to me and ask me to help them write season 2 tho #i'm available #kinnporsche #vegaspete #kinnporsche the series #kinnporsche meta #kinnporsche brainrot #giordana texts

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