#hoster tully

[amber-laughs]

honestly the rebellion did nothing but tear siblings apart. lyanna and ned on opposite sides of the war leading to a rift between ned and benjen, ashara and arthur losing each other, lysa slipping deeper into her resentment of catelyn, the final nail in the coffin for stannis and robert, hoster and the blackfish parting, cersei and jaime delving deeper into their sick ways, oberyn fleeing westeros forcing him and doran to grieve their sister on their own never healing

#valyrianscrolls #robert’s rebellion #asoiaf #ned stark #lyanna stark #ashara dayne #my sweet siblings who never healed #benjen and ned you’re the ones i feel the deepest for #arthur dayne #robert baratheon #stannis baratheon #cersei lannister #jaime lannister #oberyn martell #elia martell #doran martell #the blackfish #hoster tully #a song of ice and fire #catelyn tully #lysa tully

[ladystoneboobs]

possibly incomplete list of asoiaf characters described as having red or even "ginger" hair (or red-gold as opposed to red-brown or ghiscari red-black), never auburn:

mycah, the butcher's boy*

beric dondarrion (red-gold hair)*

lharys, member of the three stooges men-at-arms (wild rust-colored hair)**

unnamed and unfortunate mother of robert baratheon's doomed youngest child, barra (light red-haired mother of black-haired baby)*

tomard aka "fat tom", stark guardsman (with his ginger whiskers)*

horas "horror" redwyne (orange hair)*

hobber "slobber" redwyne (orange hair)*

unnamed red-haired whore leaning out a window the day of ned's execution (presumably not the same as above since she was joking about the king's death)*

melisandre of asshai (deep burnished copper. red and terrible and red.)*

a man called jaqen h'ghar (red on one side, white on the other)*

pug-nosed dancy from chataya's brothel (described as red-haired by tyrion in acok but honey-blonde in asos, so presumably hair dye must have been involved between those book mentions.)**

addam marbrand (hair the same copper color as his horse's mane)*

"ginger-headed" maester frenken*

unnamed beardless ginger youth among theon's crew at winterfell*

ygritte, a spearwife "kissed-by-fire" (bright red)*

arryk aka "left" or "right", lady olenna's red-mustached guardsman*

erryk aka "left" or "right", lady olenna's other, identical, red-mustached guardsman*

lord paxter redwyne (tufts of orange hair)**

anguy the archer of the bwb*

a red-bearded karstark rapist dead in a crow cage at stoney sept*

tansy, innkeeper of the peach in stoney sept*

meryn trant (rust-red hair)*

"red" ronnet connington

mero, "the titan's bastard", former commander of the second sons (bushy red-gold beard)

a red-headed soldier who came with stannis to the wall

shadrich "the mad mouse" (bristly orange hair)*

lord rykker's red-mustached maester

marwyn belmore, lysa's former guard captain (ginger-headed)*

lord benedar belmore with a beard that was "a ginger-grey horror"*

lord orton merryweather (reddish-orange hair)

"the red oarsman", one of euron greyoy's followers (fiery red hair)

unnamed red-haired sailor arriving at port in braavos*

lord clement piper

and his son lewys "little lew" piper, who served as squire to jaime lannister in the riverlands

unnamed red-haired youth who first escaped northward with varamyr from the battle at the wall

one of illyrio's washerwomen (dull red hair)**

jon connington (once red hair gone to grey, still red at the roots and eyebrows even when the rest was dyed blue. also had a bright red beard as a younger man.)**

rolly "duck" duckfield (a shock of orange hair)**

a young man among the wildling refugees at mole's town whose red hair reminded jon of ygritte*

the "sunset kingdoms" girl raped by tyrion in the brothel where he was captured by jorah**

hagen's daughter, only other woman among asha greyjoy's crew

roggon rustbeard, one of asha's men

mully of the nw (greasy orange hair)*

bloodbeard, commander of the company of the cat (fiery red whiskers)

"ginger" jack, a toungeless sellsword of the windblown sent to dany, face nearly covered by his bristly, orange beard

gerrick kingsblood*

and his son*

and gerrick's daughter #1*

and gerrick's daughter #2*

and gerrick's daughter #3*

ronald storm, son of ronnet connington

one of the 7 "choicest" enslaved girls from the yunkish ship who were sacrificed by victarion (red-gold hair)

an enslaved redhead boy in line for a well, asking tyrion about dany**

nail, apprentice to hammer, the armorer for the second sons**

maester tybald, redhaired maester from the dreadfort serving arnolf karstark

valena toland, heiress to the tor (bright red hair)

teora toland, valena's younger sister with the same hair

uther shett, knight arriving for sweetrobin's tourney (ginger-haired and whiskered)*

*characters whose hair is described in the povs of starks (or jon snow) who only use the terms auburn or red-brown for catelyn, robb, sansa etc. and do not compare said characters to said tully-haired relations

**characters whose hair is described by tyrion lannister, who spent significant time with sansa and exclusively referred to her hair as auburn (without anyone else telling him her hair color as catelyn told brienne)

the only asoiaf characters ever described as having auburn hair:

catelyn tully stark

robb stark (red-brown/auburn tully hair "so like" his mother's, with a beard redder than his hair)

sansa stark (auburn hair lighter than her mother's, most reddish glowing in candlelight)

brandon "bran" stark (hair not bright red enough for him to distinguish himself from young benjen at first glance in a weirwood flashback)

rickon stark

brynden "the blackfish" tully (once auburn hair gone to grey)

edmure tully (auburn hair with a fiery beard, likely brighter than his hair like robb's)

lysa tully arryn baelish

known tully descendants never described as having auburn hair

arya stark (darker brown stark-colored hair)

hoster tully (hair and beard gone from brown to brown streaked with grey to white as snow)

robert "sweetrobin" arryn (fine brown hair, thought by sansa to be his best feature)

fun fact: the only other character that i can find to ever even be descibed as having red-brown hair in the main series is rowan, one of the spearwives who accompanied mance on his mission to winterfell. (described by theon, who had psychological reasons not to think of any hair-resemblance to robb and co.)

tl;dr i suppose my point here is that auburn hair in the real world may be a term thrown around wildly as a fancier way of saying red hair, but grrm and his westerosi creations seem to keep to a much more specific (true) definition. not just specific, almost entirely unique to a certain family, a weird mutation passing down their line somewhat inexplicably, like the magic platinum hair of the targaryens. (ned stark's 4 tully-haired kids being sorta like alicent hightower's 4 targ-haired kids where nobody can really explain why it was so dominant.) except it's actually more unique to the tullys than either black hair to the baratheons or silver hair to the targaryens, with the velaryons also having valyrian hair as well as some people in the essosi free cities too. which i guess makes rowan the wildling the equalivent of an unknown dragonseed or a lysene woman who could pass as a targ, and regular brown-haired hoster and sweetrobin the equivalent of regular blonde-haired alysanne and alyssa targaryen. so the next time someone calls the tullys lame or whatever, just remember that in-universe they're actually more special than the dragonriders, at least hairwise.

#valyrianscrolls #asoiaf meta #house tully #catelyn stark #catelyn tully #edmure tully #lysa tully #brynden tully #hoster tully #robb stark #sansa stark #bran stark #arya stark #rickon stark #robert arryn #one fish two fish red fish blue fish #(c)lsb #happy tully tuesday! #ik this seems pedantic but as always i have multiple agendas here #which do not include hating on anyone's orange-haired fanart bc unlike some people i have some tumblr manners #and ik auburn hair is hard to define bc i cant explain it beyond my mom's natural hair color. thats how real world rare it is.

[sasha-naell]

Catelyn : So there are these two guys who are in love with me. There is one that my little sister is in love with, and the other I prefer his brother. So my crush has like 200 crushes (no seriously this guy is attracted to everyone) and he has a best friend who is like simp a little for my crush's sister. Except that my crush's sister really likes the little cousin of my crush's best friend, and it's mutual. Except that the little cousin of my crush's best friend is already married to a girl and this girl has a crush on the little brother of my crush's best friend and her best friend has a crush on my crush. So it obviously becomes a little complicated.

Brynden : Yeah I understand.

Hoster : HOW ??

#incorrect game of thrones #incorrect quotes #incorrect quote asoiaf #catelyn stark #brynden tully #hoster tully #petyr baelish #brandon stark #lysa tully #ned stark #eddard stark #robert baratheon #lyanna stark #rhaegar targaryen #elia martell #ashara dayne #stannis baratheon #it was funnier in my head #very good summary of reality

[rinignis]

Do yall ever think about the tully siblings childhoods???

Before years of animosity set in, you could find tiny versions of cat and lysa splashing around in the river bank with their septa watching fondly on the shore.

Do you ever think of cat and lysa creeping into her mothers room after she's given birth, excited to see her new sibling. How she hesitates to fully go in as her sister pushes past her to rush to their mother and how both sisters melt at the sight of their brother.

Do you think about lysa trying to get edmure to speak her name first? lysa sneaking into the nursery late at night and whispering to the babe all the thing she can't wait for them to do together.

do you ever think of catelyn, having just turned 14, clutching her siblings close when they are given the news their mother died? how the three of them sit, waiting for their father to come and comfort them.

I often think about the next day, when the three of them wake up with their bodies aching both from the floor they slept on and the cold realization that they lost their father as well as their mom

#catelyn tully #catelyn stark #lysa tully #lysa arryn #edmure tully #minisa whent #hoster tully #house tully #gameofthronesdaily #a game of thrones #game of thrones #asoiaf

[asharaxofstarfall]

i think that the arryns fertility issues are more interesting if you believe that the moon tea was the cause of lysa's many still births and miscarriages, instead of jon being the issue. there's an entire story set up with hoster tricking her into a forced abortion because she gets pregnant by a lowborn boy. and just the general heartbreak of her being such a scared child and finally finding the courage to reach out to her father about her situation, only to have irreparable damage done to her reproductive system as a result of the society she lives in.

#jon arryn #hoster tully #it's so much more interesting imo #lysa tully #house arryn

[goodqueenaly]

Hello, a follow up to your reply about Hoster/the Tullies formally complaining about Jon to Ned.

How far Ned should have gone for a formal complain to be justified. Save for the obvious legitimising Jon/naming his hair of course.

Because as I understand it, Ned is a bit higher in the feudal hierarchy than Hoster right? (Being warden of the north and all) so at what grounds does Hoster have the right to tell Ned how to rule his household/raise his bastard son?

For what it’s worth, I don’t think Ned is substantially higher-ranked on a feudal level than Hoster. “Warden” is a military position, rather than a politico-dynastic one (though admittedly the lines are blurred when the wardenships are treated as heritable dignities by their respective dynasties). Hoster and Ned are both paramount lords sworn to the Iron Throne, with any number of great and proud vassals doing fealty to them. If the Tullys only became supreme lords of the Riverlands during the Targaryen Conquest (while the Starks had been Kings in the North since almost the beginning of time), I wouldn’t say the Tullys are really or notably lower-ranked by comparison.

Anyway, I think there could have been valid grounds for Hoster to complain if Ned had been publicly and notoriously undermining the Stark-Tully alliance his marriage represented. If, say, Ned had constantly humiliated, attacked, and belittled Robb (and any other children he had with Catelyn) while praising and doting on Jon; if Ned had been consistently and openly cruel to Catelyn; if Ned had refused to have any children with Catelyn at all, or even to consummate his marriage with her. (Again, I think Aegon IV may be a bit of a guidebook here.) However, while Ned’s choice to raise Jon as he did was a deep cut, personally as well as politically, for Catelyn, and above and beyond what he would have been expected to do as a male Westerosi aristocrat, he also solidly and publicly committed himself to his marriage with Catelyn (and their children). Catelyn was the acknowledged and respected Lady of Winterfell; Robb was the clear and acknowledged heir to Winterfell; the younger children were geared up to have their own holdings and/or make brilliant dynastic marriages - these are all what Hoster would have expected when he arranged Catelyn’s marriage.

#asoiaf meta #hoster tully #eddard stark #jon snow

[turtle-paced]

do you think anyone going into the rebellion, apart from maybe robert baratheon and ned stark, actually expected lyanna to come out of it alive and becoming the new queen? i mean, if i were hoster, i'd have silently expected lyanna to be dead by the time the rebellion ends and hold off on marrying lysa until the whole thing is over and robert was possibly a free man. he either makes lysa the new queen, or he makes her the lady of storm's end (i mean we know it's actually dragonstone, but who could have expected robert to give that to stannis and their family seat to renly?)

It's a situation where I think a fair few people would have been contemplating a range of different scenarios in terms of the political endgame.

As for Hoster...

As usual, I think it is vitally important to remember that Jon Arryn is not the sort of spouse he had in mind for either of his daughters originally. Hoster's faults are about conflating his daughter's wellbeing with family pride (in the worst way possible), not in not caring for her at all. He did what he did to Lysa because he loved her and the Tully family. (I consider what he did to her even more fucked up because of that.)

If he was just politicking, he could have arranged for one of his daughters to marry Jon Arryn whenever. The people of Westeros are not stupid - they know there's mismatch between a fifteen-year-old and a sixty-year-old. Instead, Hoster Tully initially sought out age-appropriate betrothals. He wanted his daughters to be happy and have status. (And to find happiness through status.) Hoster made the Lysa-Jon Arryn match because although Lysa wasn't a virgin, he still had leverage over Jon Arryn and Jon Arryn was now the absolute highest status match he could get. He could no longer get an 'ideal' match for her, one where she might have something approaching a life partner. Jon Arryn was who Hoster was settling for.

Which also means that there was zero scope for Lysa to marry Robert or either of his brothers. He does not have the leverage over them that he does over Jon Arryn. All things considered, best for him to pursue the Lysa-Jon Arryn match when available.

#asoiaf #valyrianscrolls #cw: abuse #hoster tully #lysa arryn

[clytemnaestraes]

Catelyn tully as a young woman

Lysa tully in her girlhood

Catelyn waiting for her father Hoster Tully

Petyr baelish asking for Catelyn's favour against Brandon Stark, a request that is rejected.

#catelyn tully #catelyn stark #lysa tully #lysa arryn #the riverlands #hoster tully #petyr littlefinger baelish #art #asoiaf #asoiafedit #house tully #catelynisms

[asoiafreadthru]

A Game of Thrones, Catelyn II

“And I was only twelve when my father promised me to your brother Brandon.”

That brought a bitter twist to Ned’s mouth.

“Brandon. Yes. Brandon would know what to do. He always did. It was all meant for Brandon. You, Winterfell, everything. He was born to be a King’s Hand and a father to queens. I never asked for this cup to pass to me.”

“Perhaps not,” Catelyn said, “but Brandon is dead, and the cup has passed, and you must drink from it, like it or not.”

Ned turned away from her, back to the night. He stood staring out in the darkness, watching the moon and the stars perhaps, or perhaps the sentries on the wall.

Catelyn softened then, to see his pain.

Eddard Stark had married her in Brandon’s place, as custom decreed, but the shadow of his dead brother still lay between them, as did the other, the shadow of the woman he would not name, the woman had borne him his bastard son.

#a game of thrones #catelyn ii #a song of ice and fire #asoiaf #catelyn stark #catelyn tully #brandon stark #eddard stark #ned stark #house stark #hoster tully #winterfell #hand of the king #queen #sansa stark #jon snow #bastards #bastardy

[thebeesareback]

Fuck it, let's talk about Littlefinger

(the ASOIAF character, not just fingers in general. Also, I've said "Brandon Stark" for Ned's brother, and "Bran Stark" for Ned's son)

Trigger warning: rape and forced abortion

So one of the things I've said before is that I love ASOIAF for many reasons, including the complexities and backstories of all the characters. I suppose that's why there's a bazillion characters and the books are so long.

Anyway, one interesting example of narrative framing is the perspective we get on Littlefinger. He's (arguably) the main antagonist in the first book and is responsible for everything from Jon Arryn and Ned's death to the Tyrell marriage to Joffrey's assassination. We see him as a scheming villain, determined to harm our saintly Starks.

Littlefinger was born as a second-generation immigrant and heir to a minor lordship. Thanks to his parents' relationship with fuckhead Hoster Tully, he got to foster at Riverrun, where he befriended Cat, Lysa and Edmure. The books are interested in the "outsider" perspective on power status, hence Jon Snow's POV, and arguably Theon and Arya, too. They live in the home, they're part of the family... kinda. Sansa always thinks of Jon as her "bastard half-brother", Theon knows that Ned might have to kill him, and Arya doesn't fit neatly into her assigned gender role. They see Rob and Sansa and want that, kind of, but know they'll never get it.

Therefore, in his youth, Littlefinger knew that he was smart, knew that he wanted power, yet was keenly aware that it was almost impossible for him to socially climb. He does -- we'll get to that in a bit -- but as a child, he knows it's unlikely. Think of Rob and Jon playing in Winterfell and Jon yelling "I'm the Lord of Winterfell" and Rob just returning "no, my mother says you won't be". It's a horrible situation to be in. We don't get Littlefinger's POV, but if we did, I think there's a good chance he would remember a similar scenario.

Then there's Littlefinger's relationship to Catlyn and Lysa. Little boys often have crushes on little girls, and it's usually pretty sweet and can sometimes become a nice romance or just fade away. We hear that Catlyn is intelligent and beautiful as an adult, so it's easy to see the appeal, and Catlyn also has status through her Tully blood and an understanding of Machiavellian power plays because her father raised her as his heir until Edmure was born. One could easily see Littlefinger's desire for Catlyn being a desire for power and status, as well as her own merits.

Lysa had a crush on Littlefinger, creating the incesty love triangle that GRRM loves so much. I can't imagine playing kissing games with a foster brother and a sister, tbh. Littlefinger himself seems to only see Lysa as a pawn, and uses her feelings to get her to do what she wants. The narrative suggests that, for a time, there's Catlyn, mourning her mother; Lysa, mourning her mother and interested in a boy who doesn't really care about her; Edmure, just being a baby; and Littlefinger, caught up in rules and restrictions: allowed to be close to what he wants, but never truly part of the team.

Events start to occur. Fuckhead Hoster Tully decides to set up marriage alliances for Catlyn and Lysa. Lysa meets Jamie Lannister, who barely pays her any attention (he's distracted by the presence of his hero, Brynden "Blackfish" Tully). Catlyn meets Brandon Stark, who has power, status, a noble house, physical prowess -- everything Littlefinger wants. On the night the Stark-Tully engagement is arranged, Littlefinger gets drunk. He can't cope with the years of complicated class dynamics, he's heartbroken, and he's what, 14? He's immature and acts like it. Then Lysa rapes him.

I'm not a psychologist so I can't comment on the impact of sexual violence, especially when gender and power play into the situation in this way. However, Lysa did an unforgivable thing, and there was nobody Littlefinger could turn to. That's horrifying. I also think that more should be made about Littlefinger's comments about shutting your eyes and getting it over with in relation to being in bed with "an ugly woman".

Soon after, he challenges Brandon Stark to a duel for Catlyn's hand. Catlyn "betrays" him (in Littlefinger's mind) by giving Brandon her favour, Edmure "betrays" him by "squiring" for Brandon, and then Brandon nearly kills him. So we have a teenager who is 1) in huge amounts of physical pain, 2) without friends or allies, 3) was recently raped and 4) considered unimportant and insignificant. Then, Lysa rapes him again. The fact that this poor child didn't have a full mental breakdown is genuinely suprising.

We don't know if Littlefinger knew about Lysa's pregnancy at the time. What Hoster did to her was also unforgivable -- violence begets violence, and Lysa and Hoster's relationship is full of toxicity and harm. Hoster is also just generally monstrous. If Littlefinger did know, that's another layer of complexity where his foster father aborts Littlefinger's baby, a physical reminder of the sexual violence Littlefinger endured.

A few years later Lysa convinces her then-husband, Jon Arryn, to bring Littlefinger to King's Landing. He is traumatised, he is resentful, and he is cunning. He works hard to enter the places he was once barred from, like the court, the Red Keep and the small council. Now he can take his revenge on everyone who hurt him.

GRRM often talks about the futility of revenge. House Martell is the most obvious example of this, and the speech Elaria gives is beautiful and poignient. Littlefinger doesn't get revenge on Hoster or Brandon Stark. He does kill Lysa, but that's more to shut her up. In a story with a different perspective -- and a few characters kept alive -- we could see Littlefinger as a Kill Bill style avenger, ruining the lives and families of all of those who harmed him. It could be easy to root for him, not against him as the narrative sets up.

Revenge isn't simple, and that's why Littlefinger doesn't succed and isn't an inspirational character. He never confronts anyone on what happened to him -- he's too psychologically damaged -- so instead he kills Ned and Jon Arryn, two people who had nothing to do with his traumatic experiences at Riverrun, and then he hyperfixates on poor Sansa, who looks like Catlyn in his memory. He's immature and stunted in his mid-teens. I wonder if Littlefinger and Sansa lived for another 10/20 years he'd find himself losing interest because she moved on and he can't.

Littlefinger will likely die because of Sansa, and nobody will miss him. He's not a good person. He's groomed and lied and manipulated her, and the horrors he inflicted on Jeyne Poole, supposedly her best friend, are even worse. I don't see his future death as triumphant, though, in an unbiased overview kind of way. The Starks will celebrate, because he killed their dad. No one else will really care. The Lords Declarant have got rid of an annoyance, and he wasn't really working with King Tommen or the Small Council any more.

I think there is some sadness, though, for the child who wanted to be included, wanted to be loved, and who was instead hated, abused, ignored and scarred. RIP Littlefinger, a victim of the patriachy and the class structure.

#asoif/got #game of thrones #a clash of kings #a storm of swords #a feast for crows #a dance with dragons #a song of ice and fire #grrm #george r r martin #george rr martin #catlyn tully #lysa tully #edmure tully #hoster tully #littlefinger #petyr baelish #petyr littlefinger baelish #brynden tully #blackfish #brandon stark #ned stark #catlyn stark #the small council #house stark #house tully

[housetullysource]

Catelyn rose, threw on a robe, and descended the steps to the darkened solar to stand over her father. A sense of helpless dread filled her. "Father," she said, "Father, I know what you did." She was no longer an innocent bride with a head full of dreams. She was a widow, a traitor, a grieving mother, and wise, wise in the ways of the world. "You made him take her," she whispered. "Lysa was the price Jon Arryn had to pay for the swords and spears of House Tully."

#catelyn tully #catelyn stark #house tully #house stark #hoster tully #lysa tully #lysa arryn #valyrianscrolls #asoifedit

[dalekofchaos]

Rhaegar's victory and reign would not be long lived or the happy fairy tale everyone thinks it is

So while I still love Rhaegar and Lyanna and think a lot of events could've been better if Rhaegar killed Robert in the Battle of the Trident. Rhaegar bringing peace to the realms and Rhaegar and Lyanna as this great love story is wishful thinking at best. Even I think Rhaegar's choice would've really fucked over his rule because he made enemies of everyone.

Why would anyone allow Rhaegar to rule?

By abducting an engaged noblewoman Rhaegar has told all his vassals that he gives 0 fucks about the marriage contracts that are essential to the entire system, because he’s prince and might makes right. Why would any vassal follow him? Would you follow a king who says he can break up your engagement whenever he wants?

Not even his allies want him at this point most likely. Rhaegar has dishonored the Martells and created a bastard that is a potential threat to their line. Targaryen bastards do not have a good reputation, see the Blackfyres.

Aerys was a madman who murdered the father and brother to the woman who was kidnapped. The rebellion was justified. Anything but pardons and apologies would be an idiot move on Rhaegar’s part. If he’s even allowed to be on the throne.

If for whatever reason the rebellion doesn’t continue and they don’t just rally around a new claimant then I’m guessing Rhaegar gets assassinated no matter what or would become a paranoid king just trying to stay alive for the good of the realm. The Faith will be angry at him. The Martells will be angry at him. The Starks will be angry at him. The Baratheons will be angry at him. The Arryns will be angry at him. The Lannisters will be angry at him.

I don't know if Rhaegar would have collapsed the 7K, but he wouldn't have been seen in as positive a light as he canonically is.

I mean, he kidnapped/raped a teenage girl from a Paramount family that kickstarted a massive war leaving his lawfully married wife and children to the mercy of a pyromaniac madman over a prophecy that may or may not be true.

This wouldn't inspire confidence in the nobility…….at all.

He doesn't even have dragons, which is the entire reason why his house is ruling in the first place. And Rhaegar wants to save the realm, so using the Wildfire caches is not his intention.

So let's say for arguments sake. The sacking of King's Landing doesn't happen, instead, it's the complete and utter sacking of the Rebellion. The rebel forces are decimated. Jon Arryn dies. Hoster dies. Ned Stark and the northern forces are either killed, retreats or is sent to the wall.

Ned or Benjen would declare for Northern Independence in Lyanna's name. The Vale would be outraged over Jon's death. The Blackfish would hold the Vale and the Riverlands to avenge his brother and Lord Arryn. The Lannisters would abandon the crown because after everything Tywin did, Rhaegar still refused Cersei and would not let go of Jaime. Stannis Baratheon would not take Robert's murder lightly and would lead the Stormlands against Rhaegar's rule. The Reach is a tricky one. I suppose the Tyrells would object to Rhaegar dishonoring his vows, but that's about all I could think of. The Faith would refuse to legitimize Rhaegar's rule and his marriage to Lyanna(if she's even alive) The Iron Islands sees this as an opportunity to attack and take the seven kingdoms with the Iron Price. Dorne would abandon the Targaryens. You think Oberyn would take the slight to Elia lightly? He'd be leading Dorne to save Elia and her children, burn the Targaryen dynasty down and personally kill Rhaegar himself.

The Seven Kingdoms would be at war with each other and Rhaegar's prophecy to save the realms from The Others is the least of his worries because he doomed the realm because of his decision to take Lyanna.

The War Of The Seven Kingdoms would've been more bloodier than Robert's Rebellion, War Of The Five Kings and even worse than Aegon's Conquest and it all would've been Rhaegar's fault.

#ASOIAF #Rhaegar Targaryen #Lyanna Stark #Jon Snow #Eddard Stark #Benjen Stark #Jon Arryn #Brynden Tully #Hoster Tully #Tywin Lannister #Stannis Baratheon #Oberyn Martell #Elia Martell

[teen-spirited-away]

House Tully

"Family, Duty, Honor"

Sigil: Trout

Colors: Red and Blue

Seat: Riverrun

The Tullys Draw Their Strength From the River

A Tully is taught to be loyal, enduring, honest, family-oriented, dutiful, traditional, adaptable, and strong.

House Tully, as their motto states, values family, duty, and honor.

#house tully #tully #game of thrones #a song of ice and fire #asoiaf #got #catelyn tully #lysa tully #edmure tully #brynden tully #hoster tully #edmyn tully #grover tully #aesthetic

[atopvisenyashill]

What if Ned and Catelyn were gender bent? And let's assume they still get married though this time they're betrothed from the get-go what happens? How does this change things? Who does Lysa marry now that she's the only Tully daughter? Does Littlefinger fall for her instead? Who does Robert want to marry if he's not friends with Ned? Who is Lyanna betrothed to?

i rewrote this answer ten times sorry.

firstly - we know who lysa was supposed to marry and that’s jaime. if the northern-riverlands alliance is already there with nedcat, hoster is gonna look at the westerlands and the eyrie, his powerful neighbors, for lysa. i imagine the jaime to jon arryn pipeline goes the same for her regardless of how the plot changes. however, lysa without a perfect older sister to feel inferior to is gonna be a vastly different person, and a petyr without an unattainable and perfect cat to get fixated on is also wildly different. maybe those two crazy kids try to run away when hoster & tywin start talking engagements, esp since jaime & cersei are ALSO plotting, but i canNot imagine petyr and lysa are particularly successful.

when it comes to robert, that is admittedly tricky - rickard sends ned to foster at the vale in part because robert is there, but benjen is several years younger than ned and that bond might not exist so seriously without ned there (and, if you want my opinion, the smartest thing to do in this situation is actually for brandon to marry cat and ned to marry robert, and use Lyanna's hand for someone else later on). there's also the debate over how in on the "southron ambitions" stuff Steffon, so Robert marrying Lyanna might have been more Robert's fancy and Rickard's political machinations than anything Steffon would have pushed for. Given Jon Arryn's mentorship of Robert, though, Robert would likely lean whatever way Jon Arryn leans, and Jon Arryn is very likely in on the southron ambitions shenanigans which means Robert is looking outside the Stormlands for a bride.

as for rickard - i don't know that I buy some of Barbrey Dustin's more tinfoil-y "the maesters are trying to control Westeros" ideas, but I firmly believe that the lords were getting some bad vibes from aerys and started making alliances through marriages to prepare for another civil war. rickard has the riverlands locked in, now he wants a wife for his heir. mind you, "most eligible bachelorette" for brandon has a lot of crossover with rhaegar and robert in previous asks - Mina and Jana Tyrell, Cersei Lannister, Elia Martell. Given that Rickard's maester, Walys, is a Hightower bastard, Walys might push Malora, Denyse, or Leyla for a marriage match as well. And mind you, this is the list for Robert as well, with the addition of Lyanna. Very likely when Rickard goes engagement hunting, Jon Arryn suggests Lyanna for Robert - Lyanna's options (if we're looking at the important families) include Jaime, Elbert Arryn, maybe Oberyn, Willas, and Robert. If I'm Jon Arryn, I'm probably wondering if I can get Elbert and Lyanna hitched (considering how often the Arryn line is wiped out, it's important to get your relatives hitched and having kids, lmaooo) and if I'm Rickard and I can't get the Tyrells to bite at either Brandon or Lyanna, I'm probably looking at a Hightower so I have some friends in the Reach, and Robert.

#i mean actually i'm looking at elia because if i can deny the iron throne a valyrian match and all of dorne that only benefits me BUT. #may not be thinking of it that way and may not be able to overcome anti dornish sentiment to htink rationally so. #valyrianscrolls #southron ambitions conspiracy #rickard stark #jon arryn #hoster tully #nedcat

[mormontdacey]

cat reminisces about waiting for “her men” (catelyn x, pp. 695)

1. her dad who she’s devoted to because she’s the oldest daughter

2. her ex fiancé who died in a torture device like a week before they were supposed to get married

3. her dead fiancé’s brother who she married and loved and built a family with and is now imprisoned

4. her eldest son, the light of her life who is leading a host to war

5. and last but certainly not least JAIME LANNISTER kingslayer, gilded knight, man without honor, etc. who is definitely not supposed to be part of this list but he’s RIGHT next to robb so i’m including him sorry edmure get wrecked bro

#agot lb #catelyn tully stark #hoster tully #brandon stark #ned stark #robb stark #jaime lannister #valyrianscrolls

[adarkandmagicalforest]

#walder frey #bloodraven #three eyed raven #jon arryn #hoster tully #balon greyjoy #maester luwin #hodor #qyburn #pycelle #grand maester pycelle #a song of ice and fire #asoiaf #game of thrones #house of the dragon #hotd #viserys targaryen #house targaryen #daenerys targaryen